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21648Re: Is it okay to not care for/understand some music?/Lol on Ogun

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  • Brian K
    Nov 1, 2006
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      Hi Lenny,

      Thanks for this lead and the link.

      Brian



      --- In avant-progressive@yahoogroups.com, "palcontented1"
      <palcontented1@...> wrote:
      >
      > --- In avant-progressive@yahoogroups.com, "Brian K" <brian011879@>
      > wrote:
      >
      > Hi Brian,
      >
      > I heard both of those back in the day, but have never owned them. I
      > think I prefer his work which mixes styles and the humor is more
      > overt. Here's a discography page for further exploration:
      >
      > http://efi.group.shef.ac.uk/mcoxhill.html
      >
      > Lenny
      >
      > > Thanks for the reply on this. Recommendations do sound like
      they'd be
      > > pretty good. Lol must be the musician who actually must have
      played
      > > in every context. "Coxhill On Ogun" as Lol mentions in the notes,
      > > starts with "The Joy of Paranoia" (from '77)and then the '76
      > > album "Diverse", where he is totally solo on two long
      tunes: "Diver"
      > > and "Divers". They actually do seem to be very lyrical and
      tuneful at
      > > times themselves, sounding like some great bebop wanting too
      break
      > > out of his weaving-like playing, but then falls apart again and I
      > > admit I've gotten a chuckles out of it.
      > >
      > > The first tune "Diver" begins with some funny
      > > shreiking/grating/skronking noises that one can't help but get a
      > > laugh out of it (I mean this in a good way!). I take it as his
      sense
      > > of humor at work though.
      > >
      > > There are some good points to it I have to admit, but I also must
      > > admit I feel maybe that my mind just can't make sense out of it
      with
      > > all the randomness. I would consider my attention span at least
      > > better than average as I've listened to some pretty complex music
      > > already (not bragging believe me), but this music seems to way
      over
      > > my head-very clinical mostly to me. Another thing that doesn't
      help
      > > is that this Ogun CD sounds like it may have been recorded almost
      > > directly from somewhat good, yet a bit scratchy here-and-there
      vinyl
      > > copies of the two albums. I'd like too look into his other work
      that
      > > you've mentioned, but I personally and honestly just can't
      recommend
      > > Lol's Ogun work here as a place too start for others like me just
      now
      > > and in the future seeking out his work.
      > >
      > > Sorry for all this length,
      > > Take Care,
      > > Brian
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > --- In avant-progressive@yahoogroups.com, "palcontented1"
      > > <palcontented1@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > --- In avant-progressive@yahoogroups.com, "Brian K"
      <brian011879@>
      > > > wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Personally, I find even his freest stuff quite lyrical and
      tuneful,
      > > > but Coxhill has a very varied catalog. What you have is
      basically
      > > The
      > > > Joy of Paranoia I think. You may prefer the one that was
      originally
      > > on
      > > > Random Radar, Digswell Duets, half of which is with pianist
      Veryan
      > > > Weston and the other with Simon Emerson's electronics. I really
      like
      > > > Lol's work on Max Nagl's album of Edward Gorey settings, The
      Evil
      > > > Garden (also with Julie Tippetts). Unfortunately much of the
      > > eccentric
      > > > stuff that shows his self deprecating wit and variety to best
      effect
      > > > is either o/p or has never been reissued. Hardly any of the
      Nato or
      > > > Chabada recordings ever made it to cd, and there is some great
      > > > unlikely material out there. The Melody Four recordings for
      instance
      > > > with Beresford and Coe, or The Recedents with Mike Cooper and
      Roger
      > > > Turner, present quite a contrast. His early solo Fleas in
      Custard,
      > > and
      > > > the Welfare State lp for which he served as musical director
      also
      > > > embody this ease with contrasting material. I have the first of
      the
      > > > two Miller/Coxhill's and it's quite pleasant. You should maybe
      start
      > > > with Ear of the Beholder which can still be found, I think, is
      quite
      > > > varied and gives a good idea of his spirit.
      > > >
      > > > I will always remember with fondness his performance with The
      > > > Recedents in 1990. I don't think he was even planning to play
      his
      > > sax.
      > > > He had this small assembly of cheap electronic circuitry, and it
      > > > malfunctioned. Turner and Cooper just kept playing as Lol
      kvetched
      > > to
      > > > them about his gear, got out a suitcase and laboriously packed
      it
      > > all
      > > > away, muttering to himself the entire time. Then he pulled a
      curved
      > > > soprano out of its case and played some of the most beautiful
      > > > expressive lines to be heard this side of Steve Lacy. To this
      day I
      > > > don't know whether he was really pissed off, or if it was a
      kind of
      > > > low rent performance art, but their set was wonderful.
      > > > >
      > > > > I have "Coxhill on Ogun", and I've given this many, many
      spins on
      > > my
      > > > > walkman, with uninterrupted listening. There's some good
      parts,
      > > > > like "The Wakefield Capers". For the life of me, I can't get
      > > myself
      > > > > into most of the rest of the album (mostly solo).
      > > > >
      > > > > I'm guessing his work with others like the Miller Bros.,
      BofB,
      > > and
      > > > > The Whole World are quite good though.
      > > > >
      > > > > I really want too get into enjoying British and European free-
      > > > > improvisation music, but all the samples on Allmusic.com,
      like
      > > with
      > > > > my Coxhill album, it just won't register into my head or
      > > something. I
      > > > > really like Martin Davidson's website for Emanem, and the
      > > selections
      > > > > look they'd be very interesting, but I'm scared I may buy
      > > something I
      > > > > might not care for. I really miss the rules of structure with
      > > free-
      > > > > improvisation so far. It's just not like free-jazz to me.
      > > > >
      > > > > Any good starting points for free-improvistion stuff? You can
      e-
      > > mail
      > > > > me offline on that if you feel more comfortable.
      > > > >
      > > > > By the way, I am loving and enjoying a few great albums right
      > > now:
      > > > > Missus Beastly (with gorilla cover, 1974, really great btw!)
      Cos-
      > > > > "Post-Aeolian Train Robbery", Companyia Electrica
      > > > > Dharma "L'oucomballa" and Edition Speciale "Aliquante"--all
      of
      > > which
      > > > > are Superb music! Ann Ballester really smokes on the ARP!
      Also,
      > > Harry
      > > > > Miller's "Which Way Now"(Awesome, and packs quite a punch I
      might
      > > > > add!) and SM's "Middle Earth Masters". I also like
      SML's 'new'
      > > studio
      > > > > album, but am saddened knowing this was the last recording
      with
      > > Elton
      > > > > (the album is dedicated to him). Patrizio Fariseeli's piano
      > > > > renditions of Area material is great, but I better buy a PAL
      DVD
      > > > > player off ebay if I want to watch it someday, lol! Finally,
      I
      > > have
      > > > > Nigel Morris' "Soundscapes and Conversations", which is a
      very
      > > nice
      > > > > comeback for him.
      > > > >
      > > > > Sorry for the length,
      > > > > Take Care,
      > > > > Brian
      > > > >
      > > >
      > >
      >
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