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  • Spencer Mewha
    Ok guys It s been good but it s over. I suggest that our biggest urgency is joining with the civil rights groups and ending this infringement on our civil
    Message 1 of 2 , Jun 1, 2002
      Ok guys
      It's been good but it's over. I suggest that our biggest urgency is joining with the civil rights groups and ending this infringement on our civil liberties, which is phone and internet tapping, and storing of that data. It will mean a lot of money, in costs, to store the data. It has already happened, our countries will have to make it law, we will have to try and reverse it. We will still be able to get online but it will just cost more.
      Fecking ejits is the Irish term for those who have done this. I couldn't agree more!!
      The cause is all.!!!! Good fortune brothers!

      Regards Spence
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:40 PM
      Subject: [manworth] Fw: EU VOTES TO END DATA PRIVACY


        (Front-page headline and main story from "The Guardian", London, on today,
        Friday 31 May 2002)

      European law enforcement agencies were yesterday given sweeping powers to
      monitor telephone, internet and e-mail traffic in a move denounced by
      critics as the biggest threat to data privacy in a  generation.

      Despite opposition from civil libverties groups worldwide, the European
      Parliament bowed to pressure from individual Governments, led by Britain,
      and approved legislation to give police the power to access the
      communications records of every phone and internet user.
        The measure, which will be approved by the 15 EU Member States, will allow
      governments to force phone and internet companies to retain detailed logs
      of their customers' communications for an unspecified period. Currently
      records are  kept only for a couple of months for billing purposes before
      being destroyed.
        Although police will still require a warrant to intercept the content of
      electronic communications, the new legislation means they will be able to
      build up a complete picture of an individual's personal communications,
      including who they have e-mailed or phoned and when,and which internet
      sites they have visited.

      From mobile phone records, police will be able to map people's movements,
      because the phones communicate with the nearest base station every few

        In urban areas this information is accurate to within a few hundred
        metres,but when the next generation of mobile phones comes on stream, it
        will pinpoint users' locations to within a few metres.

      Tony Bunyan, editor of "Statewatch", said: "This is the latest casualty in
        the war against terrorism so far as civil liberties are concerned. The
      problem with wanting to monitor a few people is that you end up having to
      keep data on everybody."
      Last night, the (British) Home Office welcomed the result: "The UK
      is very pleased that the European Council and Parliament have reached
        agreement on a text that will ensure that the fight  against terrorism and
        other crime will be given the appropriate weight. It is, of course, very
        important to protect people's fundamental rights and freedoms, but,as the
        tragic events of September 11 show, this must be balanced with the need to
        ensure that the law enforcement community can do its job."

        But critics said the move amounted to blanket general surveillance of the
        whole population. The communications industry has also opposed data
        retention, questioning the feasibility and cost of storing such vast
        amounts of information.

        John Wadham, director of Liberty, said: "This violates a fundamental
        principle of privacy, which is that data collected for one purpose should
        not be used for another.

        "The police and the authorities will be able to trawl through the details
        of the communiiations of millions of innocent people merely because there
        is a posisbility that they might come across something suspicious."


        EUobserver story on the same issue:



        The European Parliament adopted yesterday, Thursday 30 May,  a
        controversial proposal to allow EU States to have access to citizens'
        private data used in electronic communications, which civil rights groups
        and press associations say damage privacy rights.

        The fight over protecting privacy or giving States the right to "spy" on
        everyone in this way  ended when the Parliament said internet and telecom
        companies could be obliged to retain personal information on their users
        for a limited period, for reasons of national security.

        The EU states claim the move is necessary in the aftermath of the 11
        September terrorist attacks.

        The new form of the data protection law provides that Member States can
        lift protection of data privacy  from citizens when they deem it
        "necessary, appropriate and proportionate," and the  move is in line witrh
        the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights and the European Convention of Human

        This amendment to the EU law on data protection has sparked protests from
        human rights watchers, who claim that EU  States will be allowed to spy on
        people, and worried business firms that complain about the extra cost of
        storing data on electronic communications users.

        The European Parliament's largest political groups, the Socialists and
        Conservatives, were the key force in authorising EU Member States to hace
        access to personal data, when they decided to back national Government
        Ministers who did not want the proposed law to go through a further period
        of conciliation before  being voted on. Minister argued that the the move
        to allow data retention is justified by security concerns following the
        September 11 terrorist attacks.

        The European Commission, which had initially proposed that data could only
        be stored for billing and interconnection payments, accepted the change,
        but the Commissioner in charge of telecommunications, Erkki Liikanen,
        commented that data on citizens should not be retained for more than
        months. The directive is part of a package of legislation intended to
      boost the European economy and enable it to become the most
      competitive world economy by 2010.

        However, industry claims the directive on data protection would imply
      extra costs for storing not only phone numbers used by a certain user, but
        the web pages that individuals visited, for instance.

        A number of members of the European Parliament, including the Liberal
        Democrat group, criticised the vote and said the new law hands too much
        power to the State to control private individuals. Before the vote, an
        alliance of 40 civil liberty groups from various countries  warned that if
        the law is voted through, it could have "disastrous consequences for the
        most sensitive and confidential types of personal data."

        After the Council of Ministers officially endorses the Euro-Parliament's
        vote, which is likely,  EU Member States would have to adopt their
      national laws to introduce this proposal in their domestic legislation.

        Written and edited by Daniela Spinant for EUobserver.com

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    • Spencer Mewha
      Hi guys Does anyone know the name of the biggest civil liberties group? Regards Spence ... From: Spencer Mewha To: [aum] @yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June
      Message 2 of 2 , Jun 1, 2002
        Hi guys
        Does anyone know the name of the biggest civil liberties group?

        Regards Spence
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        Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 12:04 PM
        Subject: [AUM] Fw: [manworth] Fw: EU VOTES TO END DATA PRIVACY

        Ok guys
        It's been good but it's over. I suggest that our biggest urgency is joining with
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