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RE: [attila] BNP Win in Dagenham

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  • Michael Graham
    And as normal, the BNP only win in an area with a low turnout, and probably a previously either lower turnout. In so many ways I think they are up to
    Message 1 of 9 , Oct 1, 2004
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      And as normal, the BNP only win in an area with a low
      turnout, and probably a previously either lower
      turnout. In so many ways I think they are up to
      something. Remember that guy charged with electoral
      fraud... I can't be sure that it isn't still
      happening and going undetected.

      --- Stuart Fancy <stuartf@...> wrote:
      > Pity there was no Respect candidate there,
      > Anyway there is is going to 100,000 lefties at the
      > European Social Forum at
      > Alexandra Palace so we can show the workers who
      > voted BNP that there is also
      > radical forces of our own side mobilising.
      > Stuart
      >
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      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: prole67@... [mailto:prole67@...]
      > Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 6:07 PM
      > To: attila@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [attila] BNP Win in Dagenham
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      > Goresbrook Ward By-Election Result
      > Thursday, 16th September 2004
      > Daniel Kelley BNP 1072
      > Patricia Northover (Lab) 602
      > Terence Jones (UKIP) 137
      > Christine Naylor (Con) 111
      > Frederick Tindling (Lib-Dem) 85
      > Geoff Sheridan (Green) 59
      > BNP Percentage: 51.9%
      > Turnout: 28.8%
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    • prole67@aol.com
      In a message dated 01/10/04 23:59:31 GMT Daylight Time, mike137uk@yahoo.co.uk ...
      Message 2 of 9 , Oct 1, 2004
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        In a message dated 01/10/04 23:59:31 GMT Daylight Time, mike137uk@... writes:


        And as normal, the BNP only win in an area with a low
        turnout, and probably a previously either lower
        turnout.  In so many ways I think they are up to
        something.  Remember that guy charged with electoral
        fraud...  I can't be sure that it isn't still
        happening and going undetected.


        <<<<<<<Think its too easy to blame there success on stuff like that mate;if you look at the bigger picture an all the anti-BNP stuff chucked at them an in a more direct way an precisely the barriers an don't vote BNP stuff from the state itself they do extremely well compared with the other fringe groups.There overall votes in the country surely do say alot of people who vote are voting for them because:-?.....a protest vote,because they dont understand what they are???,because society is shifting to the right an people are becoming more rascist an less tolerant,because the BNP are becoming more lean an organised,due to the collaspe of the two main parties in many ways,there move from the 'street' to 'suit n tie' politics,the lack of challenge in many ways from the far left.What is often forgotten is the impact they have with perhaps @5,000 members.....a damn lot;god knows what impact they'd have if the remnents of the other far right groups[WNP,NF,ND,NEW BRITAIN,C-18,ENG DEM,FREEDOM PARTY,L.OF.ST] chucked there lot in to the BNP an delivered more activists.Because they are confident,organised,worked out formula's for success etc.

        M
      • Michael Graham
        Well yeah, I guess I gotta agree with you on that. I have to say that a lot of this can be blamed to the blairites, I mean, they not only have caused damage
        Message 3 of 9 , Oct 2, 2004
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          Well yeah, I guess I gotta agree with you on that. I
          have to say that a lot of this can be blamed to the
          blairites, I mean, they not only have caused damage to
          a leftwing party, but have upset the political balance
          of the country. And yes, I suppose there is better
          organization...
          Though I still do say there is something suspect in
          some areas. I find it hard to believe they can get
          such a large margin.

          --- prole67@... wrote:
          > In a message dated 01/10/04 23:59:31 GMT Daylight
          > Time, mike137uk@...
          > writes:
          >
          >
          > > And as normal, the BNP only win in an area with a
          > low
          > > turnout, and probably a previously either lower
          > > turnout. In so many ways I think they are up to
          > > something. Remember that guy charged with
          > electoral
          > > fraud... I can't be sure that it isn't still
          > > happening and going undetected.
          > >
          >
          > <<<<<<<Think its too easy to blame there success on
          > stuff like that mate;if
          > you look at the bigger picture an all the anti-BNP
          > stuff chucked at them an in
          > a more direct way an precisely the barriers an don't
          > vote BNP stuff from the
          > state itself they do extremely well compared with
          > the other fringe groups.There
          > overall votes in the country surely do say alot of
          > people who vote are voting
          > for them because:-?.....a protest vote,because they
          > dont understand what they
          > are???,because society is shifting to the right an
          > people are becoming more
          > rascist an less tolerant,because the BNP are
          > becoming more lean an
          > organised,due to the collaspe of the two main
          > parties in many ways,there move from the
          > 'street' to 'suit n tie' politics,the lack of
          > challenge in many ways from the far
          > left.What is often forgotten is the impact they have
          > with perhaps @5,000
          > members.....a damn lot;god knows what impact they'd
          > have if the remnents of the
          > other far right groups[WNP,NF,ND,NEW
          > BRITAIN,C-18,ENG DEM,FREEDOM PARTY,L.OF.ST]
          > chucked there lot in to the BNP an delivered more
          > activists.Because they are
          > confident,organised,worked out formula's for success
          > etc.
          >
          > M
          >





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        • prole67@aol.com
          In a message dated 02/10/04 23:13:33 GMT Daylight Time, mike137uk@yahoo.co.uk ...
          Message 4 of 9 , Oct 2, 2004
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            In a message dated 02/10/04 23:13:33 GMT Daylight Time, mike137uk@... writes:


            Well yeah, I guess I gotta agree with you on that.  I
            have to say that a lot of this can be blamed to the
            blairites, I mean, they not only have caused damage to
            a leftwing party, but have upset the political balance
            of the country.  And yes, I suppose there is better
            organization...
            Though I still do say there is something suspect in
            some areas.  I find it hard to believe they can get
            such a large margin.


            <<<<<<< If it has i don't think it will happen for long with the state having eyes firmly placed on the BNP.Thev'e even caused trouble with the BNP's bank account;and its a bit 'suss' with the WNP being founded.Theres a good suggestion about UKIP;the state moves in 'funny ways'.Look at the ANL still chasing 50 N.F-ers around??;when the real threat is the BNP.Why has the ANL changed so much???;has it been told by the state to leave the BNP to there devices.Why has all these small far-right groups sprung up[extreme];is it to keep eyes on the 'loony fringe' while the BNP takes a more moderate stance.Why was AFA attacked an monitored an rival groups set up to try an fragment it.Is there more reasons for this;look at the splits within the BNP an why.It will be interesting the vote chasing by UKIP/TORIES an BNP;for the hard right area of votes.Perhaps i can ask Janine in a polite way her thoughts on alot of the left 'nudging'up to state apparatus.....yes an i know you said your organization does'nt but some definately do an for so called revolutionary organizations its frightening.An how was the SWP recently infiltrated an taken the 'mike' out of;but a point UKIP made with voting..only small but it has a parellel.They said something like they'll obtain seats in the general elections;an interviewer said they couldnt.UKIP stated a Liberal upsurge in local voting which was small compared to there recent upsurge.In the general elections the Liberals gained seats;today with a smaller party compared to the N.F the BNP attracts alot more votes in comparison in many ways and has more councillors.Labour's vote will go down an many working class people will be looking for an ALTERNATIVE radical vote in a backlash to having the TORIES for years an now after promises been let down by TORY MK2.There will be a need for a anti-Euro vote an people will look to UKIP for it;an maybe its a good idea there in the running because they'll take votes from the BNP.......who will again make gains with thousands of enquiries,free distro of literature,more members joining this next round of general elections

                we'll see.....one more point;i live in one of Britains most sleepy unknown quarters for far right activity[although we have 1 bonehead at least where i live] an in the Euro elections it attracted the largest[either % or total vote] for a unknown BNP candidate/s with also UKIP getting a awesome vote with KILROY-SILK standing.Its a time bomb waiting to go off;the S.A should of done something radical for the left for once an got behind the IWCA project.Leave the religious groups an state 'creeping';chasing labour lefties/trade union votes alone

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          • John Hilditch
            Interestingly at Hartlepool the far right vote; if you exclude UKIP was well down. [The Tory] fourth place in Thursday s parliamentary election in the
            Message 5 of 9 , Oct 3, 2004
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              Interestingly at Hartlepool the far right vote; if you exclude UKIP was well down.

              "[The Tory] fourth place in Thursday's parliamentary election in the northern seat of Hartlepool was the first time since World War Two that a main opposition party has finished outside the top three." (Reuters)

              "The shadow defence secretary, Nicholas Soames, today described the Tories' fourth place in the Hartlepool byelection as "a f****** awful result". (The Guardian:
              http://politics.guardian.co.uk/byelections/story/0,11043,1317822,00.html)

              "Michael Howard was delivered a devastating eve of conference blow." (Evening Standard:
              http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/13529868?source=Evening%20Standard)

              The full result was:

              40.7% Iain Wright (Labour): 12752 votes (-18.5%).
              34.2% Jody Dunn (Liberal Democrat): 10719 votes (+19.2%).
              10.2% Stephen Allison (UK Independence Party): 3193 votes (+10.2%).
              9.7% Jeremy Middleton (Conservative): 3044 votes (-11.2%).
              1.8% John Bloom (Respect - The Unity Coalition): 572 votes.
              0.8% Iris Ryder (Green Party): 255 votes.
              0.8% James Starkey (National Front): 246 votes.
              0.4% Paul Watson Fathers-4-Justice (Independent Candidate): 139 votes.
              0.3% Christopher Herriot (Socialist Labour Party): 95 votes.
              0.3% Richard Rodgers (Common Good): 91 votes.
              0.3% Phillip Berriman (Independent Candidate): 90 votes.
              0.3% Alan Hope (Monster Raving Loony Party): 80 votes.
              0.1% Ronnie Carroll (Independent Candidate): 45 votes.
              0.1% Edward Abrams (English Democrats Party): 41 votes.

            • prole67@aol.com
              In a message dated 03/10/04 09:39:51 GMT Daylight Time, ...
              Message 6 of 9 , Oct 3, 2004
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                In a message dated 03/10/04 09:39:51 GMT Daylight Time, johnl.hilditch@... writes:


                Interestingly at Hartlepool the far right vote; if you exclude UKIP was well down.



                "[The Tory] fourth place in Thursday's parliamentary election in the northern seat of Hartlepool was the first time since World War Two that a main opposition party has finished outside the top three." (Reuters)

                "The shadow defence secretary, Nicholas Soames, today described the Tories' fourth place in the Hartlepool byelection as "a f****** awful result". (The Guardian: http://politics.guardian.co.uk/byelections/story/0,11043,1317822,00.html)

                "Michael Howard was delivered a devastating eve of conference blow." (Evening Standard: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/13529868?source=Evening%20Standard)

                The full result was:

                40.7% Iain Wright (Labour): 12752 votes (-18.5%).
                34.2% Jody Dunn (Liberal Democrat): 10719 votes (+19.2%).
                10.2% Stephen Allison (UK Independence Party): 3193 votes (+10.2%).
                9.7% Jeremy Middleton (Conservative): 3044 votes (-11.2%).
                1.8% John Bloom (Respect - The Unity Coalition): 572 votes.
                0.8% Iris Ryder (Green Party): 255 votes.
                0.8% James Starkey (National Front): 246 votes.
                0.4% Paul Watson Fathers-4-Justice (Independent Candidate): 139 votes.
                0.3% Christopher Herriot (Socialist Labour Party): 95 votes.
                0.3% Richard Rodgers (Common Good): 91 votes.
                0.3% Phillip Berriman (Independent Candidate): 90 votes.
                0.3% Alan Hope (Monster Raving Loony Party): 80 votes.
                0.1% Ronnie Carroll (Independent Candidate): 45 votes.
                0.1% Edward Abrams (English Democrats Party): 41 votes.




                <<<<<<Far right as in N.F/ENG DEM;but it wouldnt of been as low if the BNP had stood instead of those 2 an UKIP wich is maybe why they didn't stand??

                   M     >>>>>>>>>
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