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  • Brad
    So I just got back from picking up my first metal lathe and as you might imagine, I have loads of questions. To begin with, I d just like to figure out just
    Message 1 of 30 , Apr 21, 2011
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      So I just got back from picking up my first metal lathe and as you might imagine, I have loads of questions. To begin with, I'd just like to figure out just what the heck I bought.

      It looks like a cross between: http://www.lathes.co.uk/craftsman/img7.gif and http://www.lathes.co.uk/craftsman/img8.gif I know that these are illustrations, and as such not likely to be exactly like actual models. Could anyone point out where to find a serial number on this thing?

      I'll get some pics of my lathe tomorrow. It looks to be in pretty nice shape, and I was able to see it running before I bought it. Still, I'd like to be able to sort of verify for myself that everything is up to snuff before I start trying to teach myself to machine with it. Any recommendations? Is this something that the manual would cover?

      -- Brad
    • Ben D'Avanza
      The model # plate should be on the far end of the ways, on the foot facing away from the chuck. -Ben On Apr 21, 2011, at 7:47 PM, Brad wrote: So I just got
      Message 2 of 30 , Apr 21, 2011
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        The model # plate should be on the far end of the ways, on the foot facing away from the chuck.
        -Ben

        On Apr 21, 2011, at 7:47 PM, Brad wrote:

        So I just got back from picking up my first metal lathe and as you might imagine, I have loads of questions. To begin with, I'd just like to figure out just what the heck I bought.

        It looks like a cross between: http://www.lathes.co.uk/craftsman/img7.gif and http://www.lathes.co.uk/craftsman/img8.gif I know that these are illustrations, and as such not likely to be exactly like actual models. Could anyone point out where to find a serial number on this thing?

        I'll get some pics of my lathe tomorrow. It looks to be in pretty nice shape, and I was able to see it running before I bought it. Still, I'd like to be able to sort of verify for myself that everything is up to snuff before I start trying to teach myself to machine with it. Any recommendations? Is this something that the manual would cover?

        -- Brad





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      • Dan Buchanan
        Hi Brad. Look on the back side of the bed in the middle or on the tail stock end of the bed There is usually a tag riveted in one of those places that will
        Message 3 of 30 , Apr 21, 2011
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          Hi Brad.
          Look on the back side of the bed in the middle or on the tail stock end of the bed
          There is usually a tag riveted in one of those places that will identify it, IF it is an Atlas or Craftsman.
          Serial number typically stamped on the top of the ways on the right end, as well.

          -Dan


          --- On Thu, 4/21/11, Brad <brad@...> wrote:

          From: Brad <brad@...>
          Subject: [atlas_craftsman] Another New Guy - 12" Craftsman Lathe
          To: atlas_craftsman@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Thursday, April 21, 2011, 5:47 PM
















           









          So I just got back from picking up my first metal lathe and as you might imagine, I have loads of questions. To begin with, I'd just like to figure out just what the heck I bought.



          It looks like a cross between: http://www.lathes.co.uk/craftsman/img7.gif and http://www.lathes.co.uk/craftsman/img8.gif I know that these are illustrations, and as such not likely to be exactly like actual models. Could anyone point out where to find a serial number on this thing?



          I'll get some pics of my lathe tomorrow. It looks to be in pretty nice shape, and I was able to see it running before I bought it. Still, I'd like to be able to sort of verify for myself that everything is up to snuff before I start trying to teach myself to machine with it. Any recommendations? Is this something that the manual would cover?



          -- Brad



























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        • Kay Davis
          Could it be a Clausing 100 series? I picked up one recently and it had no model plate only a serial number stamped on the right end of the ways and J a plate
          Message 4 of 30 , Apr 22, 2011
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            Could it be a Clausing 100 series? I picked up one recently and it had no
            model plate only a serial number stamped on the right end of the ways and J
            a plate on the door covering the change gears which said it was a Clausing.
            If there are 4 little holes in the door and the plate s missing that is a
            possibility



            This is what mine looks like
            http://groups.yahoo.com/group/clausing_lathe_and_mill/photos/album/184826308
            8/pic/1135714881/view?picmode=
            <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/clausing_lathe_and_mill/photos/album/18482630
            88/pic/1135714881/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=a
            sc> &mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc



            Note don't go by the length in the picture because it came in 3 different
            lengths.



            Kay



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          • Brad Lehman
            Thanks for the responses so far all... No, I m pretty sure it is indeed a craftsman. If it s not, someone did a hell of a job at trying to pass it off as one.
            Message 5 of 30 , Apr 22, 2011
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              Thanks for the responses so far all...

              No, I'm pretty sure it is indeed a craftsman. If it's not, someone did
              a hell of a job at trying to pass it off as one. Here are some pics of
              mine: http://www.flickr.com/photos/7791170@N05/sets/72157626428189997/with/5643683990/

              I'm not finding a brass plate anywhere on this thing other than the
              threading chart inside the door that covers the gears, etc. on the
              headstock. The numbers that I am finding on the ways don't seem to
              match what is on the lathes.co.uk website. What I can make out looks
              like it reads: 101 L5A 4016S photographic evidence here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/7791170@N05/5643683990/sizes/o/in/set-72157626428189997/

              On Apr 22, 2011, at 7:34 AM, Kay Davis wrote:

              > Could it be a Clausing 100 series? I picked up one recently and it
              > had no
              > model plate only a serial number stamped on the right end of the
              > ways and J
              > a plate on the door covering the change gears which said it was a
              > Clausing.
              > If there are 4 little holes in the door and the plate s missing that
              > is a
              > possibility
              >
              > This is what mine looks like
              > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/clausing_lathe_and_mill/photos/album/184826308
              > 8/pic/1135714881/view?picmode=
              > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/clausing_lathe_and_mill/photos/album/18482630
              > 88/pic/1135714881/view?
              > picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=a
              > sc> &mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc
              >
              > Note don't go by the length in the picture because it came in 3
              > different
              > lengths.
              >
              > Kay
              >
              > ._,___
              >
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              >
              >
              >



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            • Scott Henion
              ... Looks like a late 1936 Standard version. 5/8 feed screw and no power cross feed. Also looks like the 12 length version. Probably a bit rare. Description
              Message 6 of 30 , Apr 22, 2011
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                On 4/22/2011 11:43 AM, Brad Lehman wrote:
                > Thanks for the responses so far all...
                >
                > No, I'm pretty sure it is indeed a craftsman. If it's not, someone did
                > a hell of a job at trying to pass it off as one. Here are some pics of
                > mine: http://www.flickr.com/photos/7791170@N05/sets/72157626428189997/with/5643683990/
                >
                > I'm not finding a brass plate anywhere on this thing other than the
                > threading chart inside the door that covers the gears, etc. on the
                > headstock. The numbers that I am finding on the ways don't seem to
                > match what is on the lathes.co.uk website. What I can make out looks
                > like it reads: 101 L5A 4016S photographic evidence here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/7791170@N05/5643683990/sizes/o/in/set-72157626428189997/
                >

                Looks like a late 1936 Standard version. 5/8" feed screw and no power
                cross feed. Also looks like the 12" length version. Probably a bit rare.

                Description here:
                http://www.lathes.co.uk/craftsman/page2.html

                My Craftsman 12x36 has no model number plate either. The Craftsman logo
                is on the carriage, not the headstock but I see the



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                Scott G. Henion
                Craftsman 12x36 lathe:
                http://shdesigns.org/Craftsman12x36
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              • Dan Buchanan
                Babbit bearings! ... From: Scott Henion Subject: Re: [atlas_craftsman] Another New Guy - 12 Craftsman Lathe To:
                Message 7 of 30 , Apr 22, 2011
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                  Babbit bearings!

                  --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Scott Henion <shenion@...> wrote:

                  From: Scott Henion <shenion@...>
                  Subject: Re: [atlas_craftsman] Another New Guy - 12" Craftsman Lathe
                  To: atlas_craftsman@yahoogroups.com
                  Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 9:08 AM
















                   









                  On 4/22/2011 11:43 AM, Brad Lehman wrote:

                  > Thanks for the responses so far all...

                  >

                  > No, I'm pretty sure it is indeed a craftsman. If it's not, someone did

                  > a hell of a job at trying to pass it off as one. Here are some pics of

                  > mine: http://www.flickr.com/photos/7791170@N05/sets/72157626428189997/with/5643683990/

                  >

                  > I'm not finding a brass plate anywhere on this thing other than the

                  > threading chart inside the door that covers the gears, etc. on the

                  > headstock. The numbers that I am finding on the ways don't seem to

                  > match what is on the lathes.co.uk website. What I can make out looks

                  > like it reads: 101 L5A 4016S photographic evidence here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/7791170@N05/5643683990/sizes/o/in/set-72157626428189997/

                  >



                  Looks like a late 1936 Standard version. 5/8" feed screw and no power

                  cross feed. Also looks like the 12" length version. Probably a bit rare.



                  Description here:

                  http://www.lathes.co.uk/craftsman/page2.html



                  My Craftsman 12x36 has no model number plate either. The Craftsman logo

                  is on the carriage, not the headstock but I see the



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                  Scott G. Henion

                  Craftsman 12x36 lathe:

                  http://shdesigns.org/Craftsman12x36

                  ------------------------------------



























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                • Brad Lehman
                  Is that a deal killer? ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                  Message 8 of 30 , Apr 22, 2011
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                    Is that a deal killer?


                    On Apr 22, 2011, at 12:19 PM, Dan Buchanan wrote:

                    > Babbit bearings!
                    >
                    > --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Scott Henion <shenion@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > From: Scott Henion <shenion@...>
                    > Subject: Re: [atlas_craftsman] Another New Guy - 12" Craftsman Lathe
                    > To: atlas_craftsman@yahoogroups.com
                    > Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 9:08 AM
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > On 4/22/2011 11:43 AM, Brad Lehman wrote:
                    >
                    > > Thanks for the responses so far all...
                    >
                    > >
                    >
                    > > No, I'm pretty sure it is indeed a craftsman. If it's not, someone
                    > did
                    >
                    > > a hell of a job at trying to pass it off as one. Here are some
                    > pics of
                    >
                    > > mine: http://www.flickr.com/photos/7791170@N05/sets/72157626428189997/with/5643683990/
                    >
                    > >
                    >
                    > > I'm not finding a brass plate anywhere on this thing other than the
                    >
                    > > threading chart inside the door that covers the gears, etc. on the
                    >
                    > > headstock. The numbers that I am finding on the ways don't seem to
                    >
                    > > match what is on the lathes.co.uk website. What I can make out looks
                    >
                    > > like it reads: 101 L5A 4016S photographic evidence here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/7791170@N05/5643683990/sizes/o/in/set-72157626428189997/
                    >
                    > >
                    >
                    > Looks like a late 1936 Standard version. 5/8" feed screw and no power
                    >
                    > cross feed. Also looks like the 12" length version. Probably a bit
                    > rare.
                    >
                    > Description here:
                    >
                    > http://www.lathes.co.uk/craftsman/page2.html
                    >
                    > My Craftsman 12x36 has no model number plate either. The Craftsman
                    > logo
                    >
                    > is on the carriage, not the headstock but I see the
                    >
                    > --
                    >
                    > ------------------------------------
                    >
                    > Scott G. Henion
                    >
                    > Craftsman 12x36 lathe:
                    >
                    > http://shdesigns.org/Craftsman12x36
                    >
                    > ------------------------------------
                    >
                    > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    >
                    >
                    >



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                  • Bruce Freeman
                    Babbit bearings are fine as long as they are in good shape. If they re not in good shape they can be repoured & scraped. Lack of a quick-change gearbox and
                    Message 9 of 30 , Apr 22, 2011
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                      Babbit bearings are fine as long as they are in good shape. If they're not
                      in good shape they can be repoured & scraped.

                      Lack of a quick-change gearbox and power crossfeed are the most serious
                      demerits I see on this lathe. And you can live without those. It's a hobby
                      lathe, not a production lathe. I like a power cross-feed for facing off,
                      but you can do that with a steady hand on the crank.

                      You seem to have the gears you need for changing the lead screw speed. You
                      might want to do a tooth-count on them and determine whether you have a
                      complete (enough) set.

                      That stepped pulley in your tool box might be a spare motor pulley, or maybe
                      irrelevant.

                      That "101 L5A 4016S" might be (or include) the model number. "Atlas 101"
                      seems to mean something -- but I'm not up on model numbers so can't help you
                      there.

                      On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Brad Lehman <lehman.brad@...> wrote:

                      > Is that a deal killer?
                      >
                      >
                      > On Apr 22, 2011, at 12:19 PM, Dan Buchanan wrote:
                      >
                      > > Babbit bearings!
                      > >
                      > > --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Scott Henion <shenion@...> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > From: Scott Henion <shenion@...>
                      > > Subject: Re: [atlas_craftsman] Another New Guy - 12" Craftsman Lathe
                      > > To: atlas_craftsman@yahoogroups.com
                      > > Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 9:08 AM
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > On 4/22/2011 11:43 AM, Brad Lehman wrote:
                      > >
                      > > > Thanks for the responses so far all...
                      > >
                      > > >
                      > >
                      > > > No, I'm pretty sure it is indeed a craftsman. If it's not, someone
                      > > did
                      > >
                      > > > a hell of a job at trying to pass it off as one. Here are some
                      > > pics of
                      > >
                      > > > mine:
                      > http://www.flickr.com/photos/7791170@N05/sets/72157626428189997/with/5643683990/
                      > >
                      > > >
                      > >
                      > > > I'm not finding a brass plate anywhere on this thing other than the
                      > >
                      > > > threading chart inside the door that covers the gears, etc. on the
                      > >
                      > > > headstock. The numbers that I am finding on the ways don't seem to
                      > >
                      > > > match what is on the lathes.co.uk website. What I can make out looks
                      > >
                      > > > like it reads: 101 L5A 4016S photographic evidence here:
                      > http://www.flickr.com/photos/7791170@N05/5643683990/sizes/o/in/set-72157626428189997/
                      > >
                      > > >
                      > >
                      > > Looks like a late 1936 Standard version. 5/8" feed screw and no power
                      > >
                      > > cross feed. Also looks like the 12" length version. Probably a bit
                      > > rare.
                      > >
                      > > Description here:
                      > >
                      > > http://www.lathes.co.uk/craftsman/page2.html
                      > >
                      > > My Craftsman 12x36 has no model number plate either. The Craftsman
                      > > logo
                      > >
                      > > is on the carriage, not the headstock but I see the
                      > >
                      > > --
                      > >
                      > > ------------------------------------
                      > >
                      > > Scott G. Henion
                      > >
                      > > Craftsman 12x36 lathe:
                      > >
                      > > http://shdesigns.org/Craftsman12x36
                      > >
                      > > ------------------------------------
                      > >
                      > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      >
                      >
                      >
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                      >
                      >
                      >
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                      >
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                      >
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                      --
                      Bruce
                      NJ


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                    • Brad Lehman
                      Great, thanks for the input. I m guessing that this won t be my last lathe, but after a couple years of internal debate over what to buy, I finally decided
                      Message 10 of 30 , Apr 22, 2011
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                        Great, thanks for the input.

                        I'm guessing that this won't be my last lathe, but after a couple
                        years of internal debate over what to buy, I finally decided that I
                        would just have to jump in somewhere and get my feet wet. I figure
                        even if I lose a few dollars along the way, I can chalk it up to a
                        learning experience. The immediate needs I have for the lathe don't
                        call for a super high level of precision anyway. I would like to be
                        able to make some parts for my motorcycle projects like wheel spacers,
                        slugs for frame repair, things of that nature.

                        Hopefully the bulk of the $$ I spend playing around with this thing
                        will be in tooling that I can continue to use with the inevitable next
                        lathe.

                        I'll see if I can get a tooth count on the gears and see what I have
                        there.

                        How would I determine exactly what shape the bearings are in? Like I
                        said, I heard it run, and it didn't seem to be excessively noisy, but
                        beyond that I really don't know what to look for?


                        On Apr 22, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Bruce Freeman wrote:

                        > Babbit bearings are fine as long as they are in good shape. If
                        > they're not
                        > in good shape they can be repoured & scraped.
                        >
                        > Lack of a quick-change gearbox and power crossfeed are the most
                        > serious
                        > demerits I see on this lathe. And you can live without those. It's a
                        > hobby
                        > lathe, not a production lathe. I like a power cross-feed for facing
                        > off,
                        > but you can do that with a steady hand on the crank.
                        >
                        > You seem to have the gears you need for changing the lead screw
                        > speed. You
                        > might want to do a tooth-count on them and determine whether you
                        > have a
                        > complete (enough) set.
                        >
                        > That stepped pulley in your tool box might be a spare motor pulley,
                        > or maybe
                        > irrelevant.
                        >
                        > That "101 L5A 4016S" might be (or include) the model number. "Atlas
                        > 101"
                        > seems to mean something -- but I'm not up on model numbers so can't
                        > help you
                        > there.
                        >
                        > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Brad Lehman
                        > <lehman.brad@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > > Is that a deal killer?
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > On Apr 22, 2011, at 12:19 PM, Dan Buchanan wrote:
                        > >
                        > > > Babbit bearings!
                        > > >
                        > > > --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Scott Henion <shenion@...> wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > From: Scott Henion <shenion@...>
                        > > > Subject: Re: [atlas_craftsman] Another New Guy - 12" Craftsman
                        > Lathe
                        > > > To: atlas_craftsman@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 9:08 AM
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > On 4/22/2011 11:43 AM, Brad Lehman wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > > Thanks for the responses so far all...
                        > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > > No, I'm pretty sure it is indeed a craftsman. If it's not,
                        > someone
                        > > > did
                        > > >
                        > > > > a hell of a job at trying to pass it off as one. Here are some
                        > > > pics of
                        > > >
                        > > > > mine:
                        > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/7791170@N05/sets/72157626428189997/with/5643683990/
                        > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > > I'm not finding a brass plate anywhere on this thing other
                        > than the
                        > > >
                        > > > > threading chart inside the door that covers the gears, etc. on
                        > the
                        > > >
                        > > > > headstock. The numbers that I am finding on the ways don't
                        > seem to
                        > > >
                        > > > > match what is on the lathes.co.uk website. What I can make out
                        > looks
                        > > >
                        > > > > like it reads: 101 L5A 4016S photographic evidence here:
                        > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/7791170@N05/5643683990/sizes/o/in/set-72157626428189997/
                        > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > Looks like a late 1936 Standard version. 5/8" feed screw and no
                        > power
                        > > >
                        > > > cross feed. Also looks like the 12" length version. Probably a bit
                        > > > rare.
                        > > >
                        > > > Description here:
                        > > >
                        > > > http://www.lathes.co.uk/craftsman/page2.html
                        > > >
                        > > > My Craftsman 12x36 has no model number plate either. The Craftsman
                        > > > logo
                        > > >
                        > > > is on the carriage, not the headstock but I see the
                        > > >
                        > > > --
                        > > >
                        > > > ------------------------------------
                        > > >
                        > > > Scott G. Henion
                        > > >
                        > > > Craftsman 12x36 lathe:
                        > > >
                        > > > http://shdesigns.org/Craftsman12x36
                        > > >
                        > > > ------------------------------------
                        > > >
                        > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
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                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
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                        > >
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                        > >
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                        > >
                        > > To see or edit your personal settings, view the photos, files or
                        > links
                        > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/atlas_craftsman/
                        > >
                        > > The Atlas-Craftsman Wiki is at
                        > > http://pico-systems.com/cgi-bin/Atlas-wiki/Atlas.cgi
                        > > Please submit things you think will be useful to Jon Elson at
                        > mailto:
                        > > //elson@...! Groups Links
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        >
                        > --
                        > Bruce
                        > NJ
                        >
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                        >
                        >
                        >



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                      • Cindy & Wayne Burner
                        Brad, The gear tooth numbers are stamped on the faces of the gears. I too use my Atlas lathe to make parts for my classic and antique motorcycles. A lot of the
                        Message 11 of 30 , Apr 22, 2011
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                          Brad, The gear tooth numbers are stamped on the faces of the gears. I
                          too use my Atlas lathe to make parts for my classic and antique
                          motorcycles. A lot of the older parts for these bikes have to be made,
                          because they are made out of, what I like to call, "unobtainium"

                          Wayne(rice)Burner
                        • wheezer
                          I agree on the late 36 Craftsman date. Very similar to mine. Mine has Timken roller bearing, but was a basket case. Yours look fine by comparison. Re bearing
                          Message 12 of 30 , Apr 22, 2011
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                            I agree on the late '36 Craftsman date.
                            Very similar to mine.
                            Mine has Timken roller bearing, but was a basket case.
                            Yours look fine by comparison.

                            Re bearing check:
                            Chuck a 12" long steel rod in the lathe
                            Lift up on the rod, push down and side to side.
                            There should be no movement of the spindle in the headstock.

                            If you have a dial indicator,
                            bring up the tailstock, spin the rod and indicate off the bed to
                            see if the rod turns true.

                            Slide the carriage from head to foot and notice any binding.
                            If it's looser at the head than the foot, then to bed is worn
                            near the head. Not a deal breaker UNLESS you plan to turn
                            long spindles.

                            If it's priced right for you, BUY IT.
                            Parts alone its worth a couple hundred.

                            lance
                            ++++


                            On Apr 22, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Brad Lehman wrote:

                            > Great, thanks for the input.
                            >
                            > I'm guessing that this won't be my last lathe, but after a couple
                            > years of internal debate over what to buy, I finally decided that I
                            > would just have to jump in somewhere and get my feet wet. I figure
                            > even if I lose a few dollars along the way, I can chalk it up to a
                            > learning experience. The immediate needs I have for the lathe don't
                            > call for a super high level of precision anyway. I would like to be
                            > able to make some parts for my motorcycle projects like wheel spacers,
                            > slugs for frame repair, things of that nature.
                            >
                            > Hopefully the bulk of the $$ I spend playing around with this thing
                            > will be in tooling that I can continue to use with the inevitable next
                            > lathe.
                            >
                            > I'll see if I can get a tooth count on the gears and see what I have
                            > there.
                            >
                            > How would I determine exactly what shape the bearings are in? Like I
                            > said, I heard it run, and it didn't seem to be excessively noisy, but
                            > beyond that I really don't know what to look for?
                            >
                            >
                            > On Apr 22, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Bruce Freeman wrote:
                            >
                            >> Babbit bearings are fine as long as they are in good shape. If
                            >> they're not
                            >> in good shape they can be repoured & scraped.
                            >>
                            >> Lack of a quick-change gearbox and power crossfeed are the most
                            >> serious
                            >> demerits I see on this lathe. And you can live without those. It's a
                            >> hobby
                            >> lathe, not a production lathe. I like a power cross-feed for facing
                            >> off,
                            >> but you can do that with a steady hand on the crank.
                            >>
                            >> You seem to have the gears you need for changing the lead screw
                            >> speed. You
                            >> might want to do a tooth-count on them and determine whether you
                            >> have a
                            >> complete (enough) set.
                            >>
                            >> That stepped pulley in your tool box might be a spare motor pulley,
                            >> or maybe
                            >> irrelevant.
                            >>
                            >> That "101 L5A 4016S" might be (or include) the model number. "Atlas
                            >> 101"
                            >> seems to mean something -- but I'm not up on model numbers so can't
                            >> help you
                            >> there.
                            >>
                            >> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Brad Lehman
                            >> <lehman.brad@...> wrote:
                            >>
                            >>> Is that a deal killer?
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>> On Apr 22, 2011, at 12:19 PM, Dan Buchanan wrote:
                            >>>
                            >>>> Babbit bearings!
                            >>>>
                            >>>> --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Scott Henion <shenion@...> wrote:
                            >>>>
                            >>>> From: Scott Henion <shenion@...>
                            >>>> Subject: Re: [atlas_craftsman] Another New Guy - 12" Craftsman
                            >> Lathe
                            >>>> To: atlas_craftsman@yahoogroups.com
                            >>>> Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 9:08 AM
                            >>>>
                            >>>>
                            >>>>
                            >>>> On 4/22/2011 11:43 AM, Brad Lehman wrote:
                            >>>>
                            >>>>> Thanks for the responses so far all...
                            >>>>
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>
                            >>>>> No, I'm pretty sure it is indeed a craftsman. If it's not,
                            >> someone
                            >>>> did
                            >>>>
                            >>>>> a hell of a job at trying to pass it off as one. Here are some
                            >>>> pics of
                            >>>>
                            >>>>> mine:
                            >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/7791170@N05/sets/72157626428189997/
                            >>> with/5643683990/
                            >>>>
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>
                            >>>>> I'm not finding a brass plate anywhere on this thing other
                            >> than the
                            >>>>
                            >>>>> threading chart inside the door that covers the gears, etc. on
                            >> the
                            >>>>
                            >>>>> headstock. The numbers that I am finding on the ways don't
                            >> seem to
                            >>>>
                            >>>>> match what is on the lathes.co.uk website. What I can make out
                            >> looks
                            >>>>
                            >>>>> like it reads: 101 L5A 4016S photographic evidence here:
                            >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/7791170@N05/5643683990/sizes/o/in/
                            >>> set-72157626428189997/
                            >>>>
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>
                            >>>> Looks like a late 1936 Standard version. 5/8" feed screw and no
                            >> power
                            >>>>
                            >>>> cross feed. Also looks like the 12" length version. Probably a bit
                            >>>> rare.
                            >>>>
                            >>>> Description here:
                            >>>>
                            >>>> http://www.lathes.co.uk/craftsman/page2.html
                            >>>>
                            >>>> My Craftsman 12x36 has no model number plate either. The Craftsman
                            >>>> logo
                            >>>>
                            >>>> is on the carriage, not the headstock but I see the
                            >>>>
                            >>>> --
                            >>>>
                            >>>> ------------------------------------
                            >>>>
                            >>>> Scott G. Henion
                            >>>>
                            >>>> Craftsman 12x36 lathe:
                            >>>>
                            >>>> http://shdesigns.org/Craftsman12x36
                            >>>>
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                          • Ben D'Avanza
                            Brad, You and I seem to have the same interests (motorcycles) and approach (learning) with the lathe. -Ben On Apr 22, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Brad Lehman wrote:
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                              Brad,
                              You and I seem to have the same interests (motorcycles) and approach (learning) with the lathe.
                              -Ben

                              On Apr 22, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Brad Lehman wrote:

                              Great, thanks for the input.

                              I'm guessing that this won't be my last lathe, but after a couple
                              years of internal debate over what to buy, I finally decided that I
                              would just have to jump in somewhere and get my feet wet. I figure
                              even if I lose a few dollars along the way, I can chalk it up to a
                              learning experience. The immediate needs I have for the lathe don't
                              call for a super high level of precision anyway. I would like to be
                              able to make some parts for my motorcycle projects like wheel spacers,
                              slugs for frame repair, things of that nature.

                              Hopefully the bulk of the $$ I spend playing around with this thing
                              will be in tooling that I can continue to use with the inevitable next
                              lathe.

                              I'll see if I can get a tooth count on the gears and see what I have
                              there.

                              How would I determine exactly what shape the bearings are in? Like I
                              said, I heard it run, and it didn't seem to be excessively noisy, but
                              beyond that I really don't know what to look for?


                              On Apr 22, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Bruce Freeman wrote:

                              > Babbit bearings are fine as long as they are in good shape. If
                              > they're not
                              > in good shape they can be repoured & scraped.
                              >
                              > Lack of a quick-change gearbox and power crossfeed are the most
                              > serious
                              > demerits I see on this lathe. And you can live without those. It's a
                              > hobby
                              > lathe, not a production lathe. I like a power cross-feed for facing
                              > off,
                              > but you can do that with a steady hand on the crank.
                              >
                              > You seem to have the gears you need for changing the lead screw
                              > speed. You
                              > might want to do a tooth-count on them and determine whether you
                              > have a
                              > complete (enough) set.
                              >
                              > That stepped pulley in your tool box might be a spare motor pulley,
                              > or maybe
                              > irrelevant.
                              >
                              > That "101 L5A 4016S" might be (or include) the model number. "Atlas
                              > 101"
                              > seems to mean something -- but I'm not up on model numbers so can't
                              > help you
                              > there.
                              >
                              > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Brad Lehman
                              > <lehman.brad@...> wrote:
                              >
                              >> Is that a deal killer?
                              >>
                              >>
                              >> On Apr 22, 2011, at 12:19 PM, Dan Buchanan wrote:
                              >>
                              >>> Babbit bearings!
                              >>>
                              >>> --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Scott Henion <shenion@...> wrote:
                              >>>
                              >>> From: Scott Henion <shenion@...>
                              >>> Subject: Re: [atlas_craftsman] Another New Guy - 12" Craftsman
                              > Lathe
                              >>> To: atlas_craftsman@yahoogroups.com
                              >>> Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 9:08 AM
                              >>>
                              >>>
                              >>>
                              >>> On 4/22/2011 11:43 AM, Brad Lehman wrote:
                              >>>
                              >>>> Thanks for the responses so far all...
                              >>>
                              >>>>
                              >>>
                              >>>> No, I'm pretty sure it is indeed a craftsman. If it's not,
                              > someone
                              >>> did
                              >>>
                              >>>> a hell of a job at trying to pass it off as one. Here are some
                              >>> pics of
                              >>>
                              >>>> mine:
                              >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/7791170@N05/sets/72157626428189997/with/5643683990/
                              >>>
                              >>>>
                              >>>
                              >>>> I'm not finding a brass plate anywhere on this thing other
                              > than the
                              >>>
                              >>>> threading chart inside the door that covers the gears, etc. on
                              > the
                              >>>
                              >>>> headstock. The numbers that I am finding on the ways don't
                              > seem to
                              >>>
                              >>>> match what is on the lathes.co.uk website. What I can make out
                              > looks
                              >>>
                              >>>> like it reads: 101 L5A 4016S photographic evidence here:
                              >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/7791170@N05/5643683990/sizes/o/in/set-72157626428189997/
                              >>>
                              >>>>
                              >>>
                              >>> Looks like a late 1936 Standard version. 5/8" feed screw and no
                              > power
                              >>>
                              >>> cross feed. Also looks like the 12" length version. Probably a bit
                              >>> rare.
                              >>>
                              >>> Description here:
                              >>>
                              >>> http://www.lathes.co.uk/craftsman/page2.html
                              >>>
                              >>> My Craftsman 12x36 has no model number plate either. The Craftsman
                              >>> logo
                              >>>
                              >>> is on the carriage, not the headstock but I see the
                              >>>
                              >>> --
                              >>>
                              >>> ------------------------------------
                              >>>
                              >>> Scott G. Henion
                              >>>
                              >>> Craftsman 12x36 lathe:
                              >>>
                              >>> http://shdesigns.org/Craftsman12x36
                              >>>
                              >>> ------------------------------------
                              >>>
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                              >>>
                              >>>
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                            • Brad Lehman
                              Great stuff. Thanks... Stupid question on checking the bearings with a rod/dial indicator. If I just pick up a piece of steel rod stock from the rack at Lowes
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                                Great stuff. Thanks...

                                Stupid question on checking the bearings with a rod/dial indicator. If
                                I just pick up a piece of steel rod stock from the rack at Lowes or
                                Tractor Supply or something, is that going to be "accurate" enough? I
                                would imagine that stuff would have some minor variance in it, at
                                least enough to skew results. Maybe I'm over-thinking it, but where
                                would I get suitable stock for this?

                                Running the carriage down the ways seems fine, at least to my
                                untrained eye. However, the crossfeed seems all kinds of sloppy --
                                both the top and bottom (sorry, don't know the right terms for these
                                parts yet). Is there any way to adjust the slop out of those bits? Is
                                this the sort of thing that would be covered in the factory manual?

                                The other problem area I can see is the lever that engages the auto
                                feed. This seems stiff as hell. Any ideas how I would remedy that, or
                                what might cause it? I'm guessing an exploded diagram would clear it
                                right up.

                                I actually bought it last night. The pics I sent were of it sitting in
                                my garage :)

                                -- Brad

                                On Apr 22, 2011, at 1:40 PM, wheezer wrote:

                                > I agree on the late '36 Craftsman date.
                                > Very similar to mine.
                                > Mine has Timken roller bearing, but was a basket case.
                                > Yours look fine by comparison.
                                >
                                > Re bearing check:
                                > Chuck a 12" long steel rod in the lathe
                                > Lift up on the rod, push down and side to side.
                                > There should be no movement of the spindle in the headstock.
                                >
                                > If you have a dial indicator,
                                > bring up the tailstock, spin the rod and indicate off the bed to
                                > see if the rod turns true.
                                >
                                > Slide the carriage from head to foot and notice any binding.
                                > If it's looser at the head than the foot, then to bed is worn
                                > near the head. Not a deal breaker UNLESS you plan to turn
                                > long spindles.
                                >
                                > If it's priced right for you, BUY IT.
                                > Parts alone its worth a couple hundred.
                                >
                                > lance
                                > ++++
                                >
                                > On Apr 22, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Brad Lehman wrote:
                                >
                                > > Great, thanks for the input.
                                > >
                                > > I'm guessing that this won't be my last lathe, but after a couple
                                > > years of internal debate over what to buy, I finally decided that I
                                > > would just have to jump in somewhere and get my feet wet. I figure
                                > > even if I lose a few dollars along the way, I can chalk it up to a
                                > > learning experience. The immediate needs I have for the lathe don't
                                > > call for a super high level of precision anyway. I would like to be
                                > > able to make some parts for my motorcycle projects like wheel
                                > spacers,
                                > > slugs for frame repair, things of that nature.
                                > >
                                > > Hopefully the bulk of the $$ I spend playing around with this thing
                                > > will be in tooling that I can continue to use with the inevitable
                                > next
                                > > lathe.
                                > >
                                > > I'll see if I can get a tooth count on the gears and see what I have
                                > > there.
                                > >
                                > > How would I determine exactly what shape the bearings are in? Like I
                                > > said, I heard it run, and it didn't seem to be excessively noisy,
                                > but
                                > > beyond that I really don't know what to look for?
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > On Apr 22, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Bruce Freeman wrote:
                                > >
                                > >> Babbit bearings are fine as long as they are in good shape. If
                                > >> they're not
                                > >> in good shape they can be repoured & scraped.
                                > >>
                                > >> Lack of a quick-change gearbox and power crossfeed are the most
                                > >> serious
                                > >> demerits I see on this lathe. And you can live without those.
                                > It's a
                                > >> hobby
                                > >> lathe, not a production lathe. I like a power cross-feed for facing
                                > >> off,
                                > >> but you can do that with a steady hand on the crank.
                                > >>
                                > >> You seem to have the gears you need for changing the lead screw
                                > >> speed. You
                                > >> might want to do a tooth-count on them and determine whether you
                                > >> have a
                                > >> complete (enough) set.
                                > >>
                                > >> That stepped pulley in your tool box might be a spare motor pulley,
                                > >> or maybe
                                > >> irrelevant.
                                > >>
                                > >> That "101 L5A 4016S" might be (or include) the model number. "Atlas
                                > >> 101"
                                > >> seems to mean something -- but I'm not up on model numbers so can't
                                > >> help you
                                > >> there.
                                > >>
                                > >> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Brad Lehman
                                > >> <lehman.brad@...> wrote:
                                > >>
                                > >>> Is that a deal killer?
                                > >>>
                                > >>>
                                > >>> On Apr 22, 2011, at 12:19 PM, Dan Buchanan wrote:
                                > >>>
                                > >>>> Babbit bearings!
                                > >>>>
                                > >>>> --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Scott Henion <shenion@...> wrote:
                                > >>>>
                                > >>>> From: Scott Henion <shenion@...>
                                > >>>> Subject: Re: [atlas_craftsman] Another New Guy - 12" Craftsman
                                > >> Lathe
                                > >>>> To: atlas_craftsman@yahoogroups.com
                                > >>>> Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 9:08 AM
                                > >>>>
                                > >>>>
                                > >>>>
                                > >>>> On 4/22/2011 11:43 AM, Brad Lehman wrote:
                                > >>>>
                                > >>>>> Thanks for the responses so far all...
                                > >>>>
                                > >>>>>
                                > >>>>
                                > >>>>> No, I'm pretty sure it is indeed a craftsman. If it's not,
                                > >> someone
                                > >>>> did
                                > >>>>
                                > >>>>> a hell of a job at trying to pass it off as one. Here are some
                                > >>>> pics of
                                > >>>>
                                > >>>>> mine:
                                > >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/7791170@N05/sets/72157626428189997/
                                > >>> with/5643683990/
                                > >>>>
                                > >>>>>
                                > >>>>
                                > >>>>> I'm not finding a brass plate anywhere on this thing other
                                > >> than the
                                > >>>>
                                > >>>>> threading chart inside the door that covers the gears, etc. on
                                > >> the
                                > >>>>
                                > >>>>> headstock. The numbers that I am finding on the ways don't
                                > >> seem to
                                > >>>>
                                > >>>>> match what is on the lathes.co.uk website. What I can make out
                                > >> looks
                                > >>>>
                                > >>>>> like it reads: 101 L5A 4016S photographic evidence here:
                                > >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/7791170@N05/5643683990/sizes/o/in/
                                > >>> set-72157626428189997/
                                > >>>>
                                > >>>>>
                                > >>>>
                                > >>>> Looks like a late 1936 Standard version. 5/8" feed screw and no
                                > >> power
                                > >>>>
                                > >>>> cross feed. Also looks like the 12" length version. Probably a
                                > bit
                                > >>>> rare.
                                > >>>>
                                > >>>> Description here:
                                > >>>>
                                > >>>> http://www.lathes.co.uk/craftsman/page2.html
                                > >>>>
                                > >>>> My Craftsman 12x36 has no model number plate either. The
                                > Craftsman
                                > >>>> logo
                                > >>>>
                                > >>>> is on the carriage, not the headstock but I see the
                                > >>>>
                                > >>>> --
                                > >>>>
                                > >>>> ------------------------------------
                                > >>>>
                                > >>>> Scott G. Henion
                                > >>>>
                                > >>>> Craftsman 12x36 lathe:
                                > >>>>
                                > >>>> http://shdesigns.org/Craftsman12x36
                                > >>>>
                                > >>>> ------------------------------------
                                > >>>>
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                              • wheezer
                                Reply within text: ... For the lift test, any straight pc will be fine, as long as you can chuck it tightly. ... If you will be turning long stock, say 4
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                                  On Apr 22, 2011, at 9:25 PM, Brad Lehman wrote:
                                  > If I just pick up a piece of steel rod stock from the rack at Lowes or
                                  > Tractor Supply or something, is that going to be "accurate" enough?

                                  For the lift test, any straight pc will be fine, as long as you can
                                  chuck it tightly.

                                  > I would imagine that stuff would have some minor variance in it, at
                                  > least enough to skew results. Maybe I'm over-thinking it, but where
                                  > would I get suitable stock for this?

                                  If you will be turning long stock, say >4" then go to the local metal
                                  scrap yard
                                  and look for a piece of hydraulic ram or machined rod about 12 inches
                                  long.
                                  This should be fine for the indicator test, given the inherent
                                  flexabilty of the Atlas bed.
                                  You are correct, stock from the hardware store wont be good enough.
                                  >
                                  > Running the carriage down the ways seems fine, at least to my
                                  > untrained eye. However, the crossfeed seems all kinds of sloppy --
                                  > both the top and bottom (sorry, don't know the right terms for these
                                  > parts yet). Is there any way to adjust the slop out of those bits? Is
                                  > this the sort of thing that would be covered in the factory manual?

                                  There may be worn nuts and/or shafts.
                                  You will find out when you disassemble them to clean and lube them.
                                  Someone on this board makes new brass nuts and there work great.
                                  For lube, go to eBay, there's a fellow who sells pint bottles of
                                  spindle and way lube.
                                  >
                                  > The other problem area I can see is the lever that engages the auto
                                  > feed. This seems stiff as hell. Any ideas how I would remedy that, or
                                  > what might cause it? I'm guessing an exploded diagram would clear it
                                  > right up.

                                  If by auto feed, you mean the half nut lever, there is an oil SCREW
                                  in the face of the apron <right side>
                                  that must be removed to oil the half nuts and the cam. Most people
                                  don't ever oil them.

                                  Go to the files section of the group and look for the parts manual
                                  for the Atlas 10/12.
                                  They are all similar, so use this manual
                                  101-07403-101.27430-101-27449-partslist.pdf
                                  07403 parts manual.
                                  For a how to manual, you can email Clausing for $25 they have a book
                                  for the machine OR
                                  go to Lindsey Books and buy " How to Run a Lathe" by South Bend. It
                                  may be available on-line
                                  as a pdf as well.
                                  >
                                  > I actually bought it last night. The pics I sent were of it sitting in
                                  > my garage :)

                                  Good for you.
                                  Now the fun begins.

                                  lance
                                  ++++

                                  >
                                  > -- Brad



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                                • Brad Lehman
                                  A reminder, my lathe has been ID d as a late 1936 Crafstman 12 Standard. So, in the course of trying to get my lathe up and running, I noticed a lot of play
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                                    A reminder, my lathe has been ID'd as a late 1936 Crafstman 12"
                                    Standard.

                                    So, in the course of trying to get my lathe up and running, I noticed
                                    a lot of play in the cross slide and cross feed assemblies. Hopefully
                                    I have the right terminology there. After pulling both apart, it looks
                                    to me like both the nuts and shafts are worn and allowing both pieces
                                    to move back and forth about 1/16" for a combined 1/8" or so.

                                    I just got off the phone with Clausing. They said that they thought
                                    the parts should interchange with a 6" Atlas, so the part #s and
                                    prices below are based on that.

                                    Do these prices sound right? the top slide part prices don't seem that
                                    unreasonable, but the cross slide screw/nut seems pretty ridiculous.
                                    Can anyone with a similar lathe confirm that interchange? I would have
                                    thought that the interchange would be an atlas 10", not a 6"?

                                    #m6-36a cross slide screw with nut $148.40
                                    #3950-19 top slide screw $57.04
                                    #m6-306 top slide nut $13.60


                                    On Apr 22, 2011, at 1:52 PM, Ben D'Avanza wrote:

                                    > Brad,
                                    > You and I seem to have the same interests (motorcycles) and approach
                                    > (learning) with the lathe.
                                    > -Ben
                                    >
                                    > On Apr 22, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Brad Lehman wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Great, thanks for the input.
                                    >
                                    > I'm guessing that this won't be my last lathe, but after a couple
                                    > years of internal debate over what to buy, I finally decided that I
                                    > would just have to jump in somewhere and get my feet wet. I figure
                                    > even if I lose a few dollars along the way, I can chalk it up to a
                                    > learning experience. The immediate needs I have for the lathe don't
                                    > call for a super high level of precision anyway. I would like to be
                                    > able to make some parts for my motorcycle projects like wheel spacers,
                                    > slugs for frame repair, things of that nature.
                                    >
                                    > Hopefully the bulk of the $$ I spend playing around with this thing
                                    > will be in tooling that I can continue to use with the inevitable next
                                    > lathe.
                                    >
                                    > I'll see if I can get a tooth count on the gears and see what I have
                                    > there.
                                    >
                                    > How would I determine exactly what shape the bearings are in? Like I
                                    > said, I heard it run, and it didn't seem to be excessively noisy, but
                                    > beyond that I really don't know what to look for?
                                    >
                                    > On Apr 22, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Bruce Freeman wrote:
                                    >
                                    > > Babbit bearings are fine as long as they are in good shape. If
                                    > > they're not
                                    > > in good shape they can be repoured & scraped.
                                    > >
                                    > > Lack of a quick-change gearbox and power crossfeed are the most
                                    > > serious
                                    > > demerits I see on this lathe. And you can live without those. It's a
                                    > > hobby
                                    > > lathe, not a production lathe. I like a power cross-feed for facing
                                    > > off,
                                    > > but you can do that with a steady hand on the crank.
                                    > >
                                    > > You seem to have the gears you need for changing the lead screw
                                    > > speed. You
                                    > > might want to do a tooth-count on them and determine whether you
                                    > > have a
                                    > > complete (enough) set.
                                    > >
                                    > > That stepped pulley in your tool box might be a spare motor pulley,
                                    > > or maybe
                                    > > irrelevant.
                                    > >
                                    > > That "101 L5A 4016S" might be (or include) the model number. "Atlas
                                    > > 101"
                                    > > seems to mean something -- but I'm not up on model numbers so can't
                                    > > help you
                                    > > there.
                                    > >
                                    > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Brad Lehman
                                    > > <lehman.brad@...> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > >> Is that a deal killer?
                                    > >>
                                    > >>
                                    > >> On Apr 22, 2011, at 12:19 PM, Dan Buchanan wrote:
                                    > >>
                                    > >>> Babbit bearings!
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>> --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Scott Henion <shenion@...> wrote:
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>> From: Scott Henion <shenion@...>
                                    > >>> Subject: Re: [atlas_craftsman] Another New Guy - 12" Craftsman
                                    > > Lathe
                                    > >>> To: atlas_craftsman@yahoogroups.com
                                    > >>> Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 9:08 AM
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>> On 4/22/2011 11:43 AM, Brad Lehman wrote:
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>>> Thanks for the responses so far all...
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>>>
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>>> No, I'm pretty sure it is indeed a craftsman. If it's not,
                                    > > someone
                                    > >>> did
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>>> a hell of a job at trying to pass it off as one. Here are some
                                    > >>> pics of
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>>> mine:
                                    > >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/7791170@N05/sets/72157626428189997/with/5643683990/
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>>>
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>>> I'm not finding a brass plate anywhere on this thing other
                                    > > than the
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>>> threading chart inside the door that covers the gears, etc. on
                                    > > the
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>>> headstock. The numbers that I am finding on the ways don't
                                    > > seem to
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>>> match what is on the lathes.co.uk website. What I can make out
                                    > > looks
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>>> like it reads: 101 L5A 4016S photographic evidence here:
                                    > >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/7791170@N05/5643683990/sizes/o/in/set-72157626428189997/
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>>>
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>> Looks like a late 1936 Standard version. 5/8" feed screw and no
                                    > > power
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>> cross feed. Also looks like the 12" length version. Probably a bit
                                    > >>> rare.
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>> Description here:
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>> http://www.lathes.co.uk/craftsman/page2.html
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>> My Craftsman 12x36 has no model number plate either. The Craftsman
                                    > >>> logo
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>> is on the carriage, not the headstock but I see the
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>> --
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>> ------------------------------------
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>> Scott G. Henion
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>> Craftsman 12x36 lathe:
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>> http://shdesigns.org/Craftsman12x36
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>> ------------------------------------
                                    > >>>
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                                    > >>>
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>
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                                    > > NJ
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                                  • wheezer
                                    It seems odd to me that the screw would be that worn, since the nut is brass... softer than the steel. Is all the flat gone from the top of the screw thread?
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                                      It seems odd to me that the screw would be that worn,
                                      since the nut is brass... softer than the steel.

                                      Is all the "flat" gone from the top of the screw thread?

                                      Was the screw that holds the nut on the bottom
                                      of the cross slide tight or real loose
                                      when you took it all apart?

                                      If you only need the nuts, some one on this group makes them.

                                      Got pixs of the screw threads?

                                      lance
                                      ++++


                                      On Apr 29, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Brad Lehman wrote:

                                      > After pulling both apart, it looks
                                      > to me like both the nuts and shafts are worn and allowing both pieces
                                      > to move back and forth about 1/16" for a combined 1/8" or so.



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                                    • Brad Lehman
                                      Ya know, that seemed odd to me too. I wasn t expecting those shafts to have any real wear to them, but when I was disassembling things, I noticed that there is
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                                        Ya know, that seemed odd to me too. I wasn't expecting those shafts to
                                        have any real wear to them, but when I was disassembling things, I
                                        noticed that there is far less play when the nuts are positioned at
                                        either end of the shaft vs. the middle. I could also see a slight
                                        change in the threads from the center of the screws vs. the ends.
                                        There is still a flat on the threads from end to end, but it is
                                        noticeably narrower toward the center of the screw. I'll get some pics
                                        in a little bit, but I'm not sure how apparent the problem will be...


                                        On Apr 29, 2011, at 3:06 PM, wheezer wrote:

                                        > It seems odd to me that the screw would be that worn,
                                        > since the nut is brass... softer than the steel.
                                        >
                                        > Is all the "flat" gone from the top of the screw thread?
                                        >
                                        > Was the screw that holds the nut on the bottom
                                        > of the cross slide tight or real loose
                                        > when you took it all apart?
                                        >
                                        > If you only need the nuts, some one on this group makes them.
                                        >
                                        > Got pixs of the screw threads?
                                        >
                                        > lance
                                        > ++++
                                        >
                                        > On Apr 29, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Brad Lehman wrote:
                                        >
                                        > > After pulling both apart, it looks
                                        > > to me like both the nuts and shafts are worn and allowing both
                                        > pieces
                                        > > to move back and forth about 1/16" for a combined 1/8" or so.
                                        >
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                                        >
                                        >
                                        >



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                                      • Brad Lehman
                                        Pics: http://www.flickr.com/photos/7791170@N05/5670671628/in/set-72157626428189997/
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                                          Pics:
                                          http://www.flickr.com/photos/7791170@N05/5670671628/in/set-72157626428189997/
                                          http://www.flickr.com/photos/7791170@N05/5670671734/in/set-72157626428189997/
                                          http://www.flickr.com/photos/7791170@N05/5670104553/in/set-72157626428189997/

                                          I think I could probably get by without the shorter of the screws (top
                                          slide?), but if you look at the threads next to the nut on the longer
                                          screw (cross slide?) there is almost no flat left on the threads at
                                          all. Just my luck that the worst one would be the most expensive.


                                          On Apr 29, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Brad Lehman wrote:

                                          > Ya know, that seemed odd to me too. I wasn't expecting those shafts
                                          > to have any real wear to them, but when I was disassembling things,
                                          > I noticed that there is far less play when the nuts are positioned
                                          > at either end of the shaft vs. the middle. I could also see a slight
                                          > change in the threads from the center of the screws vs. the ends.
                                          > There is still a flat on the threads from end to end, but it is
                                          > noticeably narrower toward the center of the screw. I'll get some
                                          > pics in a little bit, but I'm not sure how apparent the problem will
                                          > be...
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > On Apr 29, 2011, at 3:06 PM, wheezer wrote:
                                          >
                                          >> It seems odd to me that the screw would be that worn,
                                          >> since the nut is brass... softer than the steel.
                                          >>
                                          >> Is all the "flat" gone from the top of the screw thread?
                                          >>
                                          >> Was the screw that holds the nut on the bottom
                                          >> of the cross slide tight or real loose
                                          >> when you took it all apart?
                                          >>
                                          >> If you only need the nuts, some one on this group makes them.
                                          >>
                                          >> Got pixs of the screw threads?
                                          >>
                                          >> lance
                                          >> ++++
                                          >>
                                          >> On Apr 29, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Brad Lehman wrote:
                                          >>
                                          >> > After pulling both apart, it looks
                                          >> > to me like both the nuts and shafts are worn and allowing both
                                          >> pieces
                                          >> > to move back and forth about 1/16" for a combined 1/8" or so.
                                          >>
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                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >



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                                        • Scott Henion
                                          ... I doubt the 6 ones are right. My 12x36 was made in 1941 ish. It has the 3/8 ways but 3/4 main feed screw (later ones had 1/2 ways, earlier had 5/8
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                                            On 4/29/2011 11:38 AM, Brad Lehman wrote:
                                            > I just got off the phone with Clausing. They said that they thought
                                            > the parts should interchange with a 6" Atlas, so the part #s and
                                            > prices below are based on that.
                                            >
                                            > Do these prices sound right? the top slide part prices don't seem that
                                            > unreasonable, but the cross slide screw/nut seems pretty ridiculous.
                                            > Can anyone with a similar lathe confirm that interchange? I would have
                                            > thought that the interchange would be an atlas 10", not a 6"?
                                            >
                                            > #m6-36a cross slide screw with nut $148.40
                                            > #3950-19 top slide screw $57.04
                                            > #m6-306 top slide nut $13.60

                                            I doubt the 6" ones are right.

                                            My 12x36 was made in 1941'ish. It has the 3/8" ways but 3/4" main feed
                                            screw (later ones had 1/2" ways, earlier had 5/8" feed.)

                                            The parts list is here:
                                            http://shdesigns.org/Craftsman-12x36/Craftsman12x36.pdf

                                            It shows 10f-36 for the cross feed screw and 10F-305 for the compound
                                            slide slide screw. 10F-19 for the cross nut and 9-306 for the compound
                                            nut. I know my cross screw is 1/2-10.

                                            Notice all parts have a 9/10 prefix not 6.

                                            It might be worth while to see if you can get Acme threaded rod the
                                            right size (LH thread.) Or cutting your own. I bet you got a 3' rod you
                                            could sell the extra (I'd take one ;) )

                                            I'm tempted to get some 1/2-10 threaded rod and make my own. Hmm, Enco
                                            has 1/2-10 LH Keystone Precision rod for $26. Maybe I'll get 3' and make
                                            3 and sell the others.

                                            Don't know who here made the nuts. I see Enco has some for $26 that
                                            would need a stud added.
                                            BTW, there are two complete thread/nut assemblies on ebay for $40 and $50.
                                            --

                                            ------------------------------------
                                            Scott G. Henion
                                            Craftsman 12x36 lathe:
                                            http://shdesigns.org/Craftsman12x36
                                            ------------------------------------
                                          • Brad Lehman
                                            Thanks for the input, it s very helpful. Especially the link to that PDF. I ve been looking all over for a parts list scan that was actually readable. Re:
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                                              Thanks for the input, it's very helpful. Especially the link to that
                                              PDF. I've been looking all over for a parts list scan that was
                                              actually readable.

                                              Re: buying acme screw stock and making my own... I could see how this
                                              would very rapidly turn into me having to buy a second lathe to make
                                              parts to repair the original lathe. While that undeniably appeals to
                                              my natural tool acquisition impulses, it doesn't very much appeal to
                                              my rapidly draining bank account. Now, if *you* were to take this on
                                              as a project, I would be your first customer if you could beat
                                              Clausing prices ;)

                                              I took a quick look at ebay, and think I found the ones you were
                                              referring to. I see two possible problems. First, my lathe pre-dates
                                              the power cross feed and I'm guessing that is what the extra gear is
                                              for on the ebay screws. Not sure if it would work for me despite that?
                                              Also, I'm wondering if used would be worth the hassle. If mine are
                                              worn, and by all appearances, my lathe didn't live a very hard life,
                                              could I really expect another set of used screws/nuts to be much
                                              better off?

                                              -- Brad

                                              PS. If whoever is/was making the nuts would speak up, I'd like to hear
                                              from you...


                                              On Apr 29, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Scott Henion wrote:

                                              > On 4/29/2011 11:38 AM, Brad Lehman wrote:
                                              > > I just got off the phone with Clausing. They said that they thought
                                              > > the parts should interchange with a 6" Atlas, so the part #s and
                                              > > prices below are based on that.
                                              > >
                                              > > Do these prices sound right? the top slide part prices don't seem
                                              > that
                                              > > unreasonable, but the cross slide screw/nut seems pretty ridiculous.
                                              > > Can anyone with a similar lathe confirm that interchange? I would
                                              > have
                                              > > thought that the interchange would be an atlas 10", not a 6"?
                                              > >
                                              > > #m6-36a cross slide screw with nut $148.40
                                              > > #3950-19 top slide screw $57.04
                                              > > #m6-306 top slide nut $13.60
                                              >
                                              > I doubt the 6" ones are right.
                                              >
                                              > My 12x36 was made in 1941'ish. It has the 3/8" ways but 3/4" main feed
                                              > screw (later ones had 1/2" ways, earlier had 5/8" feed.)
                                              >
                                              > The parts list is here:
                                              > http://shdesigns.org/Craftsman-12x36/Craftsman12x36.pdf
                                              >
                                              > It shows 10f-36 for the cross feed screw and 10F-305 for the compound
                                              > slide slide screw. 10F-19 for the cross nut and 9-306 for the compound
                                              > nut. I know my cross screw is 1/2-10.
                                              >
                                              > Notice all parts have a 9/10 prefix not 6.
                                              >
                                              > It might be worth while to see if you can get Acme threaded rod the
                                              > right size (LH thread.) Or cutting your own. I bet you got a 3' rod
                                              > you
                                              > could sell the extra (I'd take one ;) )
                                              >
                                              > I'm tempted to get some 1/2-10 threaded rod and make my own. Hmm, Enco
                                              > has 1/2-10 LH Keystone Precision rod for $26. Maybe I'll get 3' and
                                              > make
                                              > 3 and sell the others.
                                              >
                                              > Don't know who here made the nuts. I see Enco has some for $26 that
                                              > would need a stud added.
                                              > BTW, there are two complete thread/nut assemblies on ebay for $40
                                              > and $50.
                                              > --
                                              >
                                              > ------------------------------------
                                              > Scott G. Henion
                                              > Craftsman 12x36 lathe:
                                              > http://shdesigns.org/Craftsman12x36
                                              > ------------------------------------
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >



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                                            • Doc
                                              several things to SERIOUSLY think abt #1 w/ a 10 pitch screw , any lash over .100 means it is STRIPPED & wont move ...so 1/8 WEAR is
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                                                several things to SERIOUSLY think abt
                                                #1 w/ a 10 pitch screw , any lash over .100 means it is STRIPPED & wont move ...so 1/8 WEAR is incorrect .....

                                                #2 things to check before uyou start purchasing .....adjustment s the nuts between the dial & end of handle adjust the play ...see how much MOVEMENt there is before everything is against each other viz ...dial ,nuts boss, ...if you get too tight , slide wont hardly move .......abt 5-10 thou lash is BUILT IN for use......

                                                #3....learn to handle lash ...it exists on ALL manual machines that dont have expensive ball screws.....when moving slide in same direction as last movement , ( against the part , the lash is taken up & NO CORRECTION needed) ...if you back OFF , you need t9o go beyond the lash & then back up to the number on dial you need ...effectively REMOVING the lash .....when you buy a USED machine , you WILL have lash due to wear .......

                                                #4 on my 5 lathes , dating back to 1895 , the xfeed lash varies from 1/8 of a turn to 1/2 .....i have no problems working to a 1/2 thou on any of them due to lash .....at 1/2 + turn i am thinking of correcting on my 16 in shaper at 3/4 turn i know i will

                                                #5 ..the worst of my 16 or so machine tools is .my 90 yr old surface grinder which has 2 1/2 turns on x feed handle ...how is THAT ? ....the housing is worn & allows all that movement before screw canbear on it & activate......yeah i know that is really sad .......it is on my list & has been for 10 years....

                                                #6 my late model crftsmn 12x36 has a nasty habit of the x feed NUT working loose & all of a sudden i have 30 thou lash .......i tighten it & am back to 15 thou ....which works just fine......dont know if yours does or not ...worth a check ....

                                                7 ...& if all else fails i have a xslide /compound form the same model lathe HIDDEN IN MY BARN that i scrapped out YEARS ago ...also , a bed & few other things ...travers gear box was broken & i didnt think the rest warrented my making one,,,i cud dig it out if needed.....

                                                good luck & best wishes
                                                docn8as







                                                A reminder, my lathe has been ID'd as a late 1936 Crafstman 12"
                                                tandard.
                                                So, in the course of trying to get my lathe up and running, I noticed
                                                lot of play in the cross slide and cross feed assemblies. Hopefully
                                                have the right terminology there. After pulling both apart, it looks
                                                o me like both the nuts and shafts are worn and allowing both pieces
                                                o move back and forth about 1/16" for a combined 1/8" or so.







                                                -----Original Message-----
                                                From: Brad Lehman <lehman.brad@...>
                                                To: atlas_craftsman@yahoogroups.com
                                                Sent: Fri, Apr 29, 2011 10:38 am
                                                Subject: Re: [atlas_craftsman] Another New Guy - 12" Craftsman Lathe


                                                A reminder, my lathe has been ID'd as a late 1936 Crafstman 12"
                                                tandard.
                                                So, in the course of trying to get my lathe up and running, I noticed
                                                lot of play in the cross slide and cross feed assemblies. Hopefully
                                                have the right terminology there. After pulling both apart, it looks
                                                o me like both the nuts and shafts are worn and allowing both pieces
                                                o move back and forth about 1/16" for a combined 1/8" or so.
                                                I just got off the phone with Clausing. They said that they thought
                                                he parts should interchange with a 6" Atlas, so the part #s and
                                                rices below are based on that.
                                                Do these prices sound right? the top slide part prices don't seem that
                                                nreasonable, but the cross slide screw/nut seems pretty ridiculous.
                                                an anyone with a similar lathe confirm that interchange? I would have
                                                hought that the interchange would be an atlas 10", not a 6"?
                                                #m6-36a cross slide screw with nut $148.40
                                                3950-19 top slide screw $57.04
                                                m6-306 top slide nut $13.60

                                                n Apr 22, 2011, at 1:52 PM, Ben D'Avanza wrote:
                                                > Brad,
                                                You and I seem to have the same interests (motorcycles) and approach
                                                (learning) with the lathe.
                                                -Ben

                                                On Apr 22, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Brad Lehman wrote:

                                                Great, thanks for the input.

                                                I'm guessing that this won't be my last lathe, but after a couple
                                                years of internal debate over what to buy, I finally decided that I
                                                would just have to jump in somewhere and get my feet wet. I figure
                                                even if I lose a few dollars along the way, I can chalk it up to a
                                                learning experience. The immediate needs I have for the lathe don't
                                                call for a super high level of precision anyway. I would like to be
                                                able to make some parts for my motorcycle projects like wheel spacers,
                                                slugs for frame repair, things of that nature.

                                                Hopefully the bulk of the $$ I spend playing around with this thing
                                                will be in tooling that I can continue to use with the inevitable next
                                                lathe.

                                                I'll see if I can get a tooth count on the gears and see what I have
                                                there.

                                                How would I determine exactly what shape the bearings are in? Like I
                                                said, I heard it run, and it didn't seem to be excessively noisy, but
                                                beyond that I really don't know what to look for?

                                                On Apr 22, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Bruce Freeman wrote:

                                                > Babbit bearings are fine as long as they are in good shape. If
                                                > they're not
                                                > in good shape they can be repoured & scraped.
                                                >
                                                > Lack of a quick-change gearbox and power crossfeed are the most
                                                > serious
                                                > demerits I see on this lathe. And you can live without those. It's a
                                                > hobby
                                                > lathe, not a production lathe. I like a power cross-feed for facing
                                                > off,
                                                > but you can do that with a steady hand on the crank.
                                                >
                                                > You seem to have the gears you need for changing the lead screw
                                                > speed. You
                                                > might want to do a tooth-count on them and determine whether you
                                                > have a
                                                > complete (enough) set.
                                                >
                                                > That stepped pulley in your tool box might be a spare motor pulley,
                                                > or maybe
                                                > irrelevant.
                                                >
                                                > That "101 L5A 4016S" might be (or include) the model number. "Atlas
                                                > 101"
                                                > seems to mean something -- but I'm not up on model numbers so can't
                                                > help you
                                                > there.
                                                >
                                                > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Brad Lehman
                                                > <lehman.brad@...> wrote:
                                                >
                                                >> Is that a deal killer?
                                                >>
                                                >>
                                                >> On Apr 22, 2011, at 12:19 PM, Dan Buchanan wrote:
                                                >>
                                                >>> Babbit bearings!
                                                >>>
                                                >>> --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Scott Henion <shenion@...> wrote:
                                                >>>
                                                >>> From: Scott Henion <shenion@...>
                                                >>> Subject: Re: [atlas_craftsman] Another New Guy - 12" Craftsman
                                                > Lathe
                                                >>> To: atlas_craftsman@yahoogroups.com
                                                >>> Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 9:08 AM
                                                >>>
                                                >>>
                                                >>>
                                                >>> On 4/22/2011 11:43 AM, Brad Lehman wrote:
                                                >>>
                                                >>>> Thanks for the responses so far all...
                                                >>>
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>
                                                >>>> No, I'm pretty sure it is indeed a craftsman. If it's not,
                                                > someone
                                                >>> did
                                                >>>
                                                >>>> a hell of a job at trying to pass it off as one. Here are some
                                                >>> pics of
                                                >>>
                                                >>>> mine:
                                                >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/7791170@N05/sets/72157626428189997/with/5643683990/
                                                >>>
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>
                                                >>>> I'm not finding a brass plate anywhere on this thing other
                                                > than the
                                                >>>
                                                >>>> threading chart inside the door that covers the gears, etc. on
                                                > the
                                                >>>
                                                >>>> headstock. The numbers that I am finding on the ways don't
                                                > seem to
                                                >>>
                                                >>>> match what is on the lathes.co.uk website. What I can make out
                                                > looks
                                                >>>
                                                >>>> like it reads: 101 L5A 4016S photographic evidence here:
                                                >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/7791170@N05/5643683990/sizes/o/in/set-72157626428189997/
                                                >>>
                                                >>>>
                                                >>>
                                                >>> Looks like a late 1936 Standard version. 5/8" feed screw and no
                                                > power
                                                >>>
                                                >>> cross feed. Also looks like the 12" length version. Probably a bit
                                                >>> rare.
                                                >>>
                                                >>> Description here:
                                                >>>
                                                >>> http://www.lathes.co.uk/craftsman/page

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                                              • bill phelps
                                                if your lathe uses the 10 f-19 crossfeed nut i have them in stock i make them out of bronze i have sold some to a number of the guys on this group the price
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                                                  if your lathe uses the 10 f-19 crossfeed nut i have them in stock i make them
                                                  out of bronze i have sold some to a number of the guys on this group the price
                                                  is $ 27.00 including shipping as for your lead screw if you do not have power
                                                  crossfeed you do not need the keyway on the whole lenght you will only need a
                                                  keyway on the drive end hope this helps  bill P  


                                                  ________________________________
                                                  From: Brad Lehman <lehman.brad@...>
                                                  To: atlas_craftsman@yahoogroups.com
                                                  Sent: Fri, April 29, 2011 5:18:16 PM
                                                  Subject: Re: [atlas_craftsman] Another New Guy - 12" Craftsman Lathe

                                                  Thanks for the input, it's very helpful. Especially the link to that 
                                                  PDF. I've been looking all over for a parts list scan that was 
                                                  actually readable.

                                                  Re: buying acme screw stock and making my own... I could see how this 
                                                  would very rapidly turn into me having to buy a second lathe to make 
                                                  parts to repair the original lathe. While that undeniably appeals to 
                                                  my natural tool acquisition impulses, it doesn't very much appeal to 
                                                  my rapidly draining bank account. Now, if *you* were to take this on 
                                                  as a project, I would be your first customer if you could beat 
                                                  Clausing prices ;)

                                                  I took a quick look at ebay, and think I found the ones you were 
                                                  referring to. I see two possible problems. First, my lathe pre-dates 
                                                  the power cross feed and I'm guessing that is what the extra gear is 
                                                  for on the ebay screws. Not sure if it would work for me despite that? 
                                                  Also, I'm wondering if used would be worth the hassle. If mine are 
                                                  worn, and by all appearances, my lathe didn't live a very hard life, 
                                                  could I really expect another set of used screws/nuts to be much 
                                                  better off?

                                                  -- Brad

                                                  PS. If whoever is/was making the nuts would speak up, I'd like to hear 
                                                  from you...


                                                  On Apr 29, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Scott Henion wrote:

                                                  > On 4/29/2011 11:38 AM, Brad Lehman wrote:
                                                  > > I just got off the phone with Clausing. They said that they thought
                                                  > > the parts should interchange with a 6" Atlas, so the part #s and
                                                  > > prices below are based on that.
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Do these prices sound right? the top slide part prices don't seem 
                                                  > that
                                                  > > unreasonable, but the cross slide screw/nut seems pretty ridiculous.
                                                  > > Can anyone with a similar lathe confirm that interchange? I would 
                                                  > have
                                                  > > thought that the interchange would be an atlas 10", not a 6"?
                                                  > >
                                                  > > #m6-36a cross slide screw with nut $148.40
                                                  > > #3950-19 top slide screw $57.04
                                                  > > #m6-306 top slide nut $13.60
                                                  >
                                                  > I doubt the 6" ones are right.
                                                  >
                                                  > My 12x36 was made in 1941'ish. It has the 3/8" ways but 3/4" main feed
                                                  > screw (later ones had 1/2" ways, earlier had 5/8" feed.)
                                                  >
                                                  > The parts list is here:
                                                  > http://shdesigns.org/Craftsman-12x36/Craftsman12x36.pdf
                                                  >
                                                  > It shows 10f-36 for the cross feed screw and 10F-305 for the compound
                                                  > slide slide screw. 10F-19 for the cross nut and 9-306 for the compound
                                                  > nut. I know my cross screw is 1/2-10.
                                                  >
                                                  > Notice all parts have a 9/10 prefix not 6.
                                                  >
                                                  > It might be worth while to see if you can get Acme threaded rod the
                                                  > right size (LH thread.) Or cutting your own. I bet you got a 3' rod 
                                                  > you
                                                  > could sell the extra (I'd take one ;) )
                                                  >
                                                  > I'm tempted to get some 1/2-10 threaded rod and make my own. Hmm, Enco
                                                  > has 1/2-10 LH Keystone Precision rod for $26. Maybe I'll get 3' and 
                                                  > make
                                                  > 3 and sell the others.
                                                  >
                                                  > Don't know who here made the nuts. I see Enco has some for $26 that
                                                  > would need a stud added.
                                                  > BTW, there are two complete thread/nut assemblies on ebay for $40 
                                                  > and $50.
                                                  > --
                                                  >
                                                  > ------------------------------------
                                                  > Scott G. Henion
                                                  > Craftsman 12x36 lathe:
                                                  > http://shdesigns.org/Craftsman12x36
                                                  > ------------------------------------
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                                                  >
                                                  >



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                                                • Brad Lehman
                                                  First off, thanks for the reply. Second, if you wouldn t mind, please take a look at my slightly later reply that included links to some photos of the
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                                                    First off, thanks for the reply. Second, if you wouldn't mind, please
                                                    take a look at my slightly later reply that included links to some
                                                    photos of the offending parts and give me your opinion.

                                                    #1 While I didn't attempt to measure the slop, I stand by the relative
                                                    amount. I didn't say that a single screw was causing an .125" of
                                                    movement, rather both of them combined were. I could very well be off
                                                    a bit on the exact amount of wear, but the point I was trying to get
                                                    across is that this isn't a 16th of a turn of backlash or something
                                                    like that.

                                                    #2 That is where I started first. It might have helped a bit, but not
                                                    very noticeably. After that, I decided I should rip things apart for a
                                                    closer look at the screws themselves.

                                                    #3-#6 With all possible respect, I am the lowest form of ignoramus
                                                    when it comes to machining, but I do understand the concept of
                                                    backlash. One of my other interests is woodworking, and in particular
                                                    I like old hand planes. Dealing with backlash in those old beasts is
                                                    pretty commonplace as well. I realize that buying old tools means
                                                    dealing with wear, and I'm ok with that. However, I'm wondering if I
                                                    am doing something seriously wrong as far as cutting technique which
                                                    is making me think that things are worse off than they really are?

                                                    Of the test cuts I made with the lathe, I wasn't able to 'work around
                                                    it'. With the lathe off, I would run both the cross feed and compound
                                                    back toward me an excessive amount, then back in toward the work to
                                                    overcome any backlash. When the bit was just barely touching the
                                                    workpiece, I would run the carriage a bit to the right, and dial in a
                                                    few thousandths of depth on the compound, fire up the lathe, then
                                                    start manually advancing the carriage toward the headstock (to begin
                                                    cutting). As soon as the bit would contact the workpiece, there would
                                                    be a very noticable 'jump' of the tool bit back toward me as though I
                                                    hadn't taken up all of the backlash. If I'm not doing something wrong
                                                    with cutting technique, I can't being to imagine how one works around
                                                    this. ie: how do I compensate for this 'jump'? As far as I could tell,
                                                    I didn't have any excessive overhang on anything, and the surface
                                                    finish of the cuts I took was surprisingly nice (to me anyway), so it
                                                    didn't look to me like I was getting much, if any flex/chattering. Is
                                                    it possible that there is something else loose that could cause this
                                                    behavior? After having typed all of this out, I wish I had some way to
                                                    just take a short video of what I mean. I'll bet it would make more
                                                    sense.

                                                    #7 I appreciate that, and I'll keep it in mind, but lets see what else
                                                    the group can figure out first. For all I know, the only nut that
                                                    really needs replacing on the machine is the one behind the controls.


                                                    On Apr 29, 2011, at 6:49 PM, Doc wrote:

                                                    >
                                                    > several things to SERIOUSLY think abt
                                                    > #1 w/ a 10 pitch screw , any lash over .100 means it is STRIPPED &
                                                    > wont move ...so 1/8 WEAR is incorrect .....
                                                    >
                                                    > #2 things to check before uyou start purchasing .....adjustment s
                                                    > the nuts between the dial & end of handle adjust the play ...see how
                                                    > much MOVEMENt there is before everything is against each other
                                                    > viz ...dial ,nuts boss, ...if you get too tight , slide wont hardly
                                                    > move .......abt 5-10 thou lash is BUILT IN for use......
                                                    >
                                                    > #3....learn to handle lash ...it exists on ALL manual machines that
                                                    > dont have expensive ball screws.....when moving slide in same
                                                    > direction as last movement , ( against the part , the lash is taken
                                                    > up & NO CORRECTION needed) ...if you back OFF , you need t9o go
                                                    > beyond the lash & then back up to the number on dial you
                                                    > need ...effectively REMOVING the lash .....when you buy a USED
                                                    > machine , you WILL have lash due to wear .......
                                                    >
                                                    > #4 on my 5 lathes , dating back to 1895 , the xfeed lash varies from
                                                    > 1/8 of a turn to 1/2 .....i have no problems working to a 1/2 thou
                                                    > on any of them due to lash .....at 1/2 + turn i am thinking of
                                                    > correcting on my 16 in shaper at 3/4 turn i know i will
                                                    >
                                                    > #5 ..the worst of my 16 or so machine tools is .my 90 yr old surface
                                                    > grinder which has 2 1/2 turns on x feed handle ...how is
                                                    > THAT ? ....the housing is worn & allows all that movement before
                                                    > screw canbear on it & activate......yeah i know that is really
                                                    > sad .......it is on my list & has been for 10 years....
                                                    >
                                                    > #6 my late model crftsmn 12x36 has a nasty habit of the x feed NUT
                                                    > working loose & all of a sudden i have 30 thou lash .......i tighten
                                                    > it & am back to 15 thou ....which works just fine......dont know if
                                                    > yours does or not ...worth a check ....
                                                    >
                                                    > 7 ...& if all else fails i have a xslide /compound form the same
                                                    > model lathe HIDDEN IN MY BARN that i scrapped out YEARS
                                                    > ago ...also , a bed & few other things ...travers gear box was
                                                    > broken & i didnt think the rest warrented my making one,,,i cud dig
                                                    > it out if needed.....
                                                    >
                                                    > good luck & best wishes
                                                    > docn8as
                                                    >
                                                    > A reminder, my lathe has been ID'd as a late 1936 Crafstman 12"
                                                    > tandard.
                                                    > So, in the course of trying to get my lathe up and running, I noticed
                                                    > lot of play in the cross slide and cross feed assemblies. Hopefully
                                                    > have the right terminology there. After pulling both apart, it looks
                                                    > o me like both the nuts and shafts are worn and allowing both pieces
                                                    > o move back and forth about 1/16" for a combined 1/8" or so.
                                                    >
                                                    > -----Original Message-----
                                                    > From: Brad Lehman <lehman.brad@...>
                                                    > To: atlas_craftsman@yahoogroups.com
                                                    > Sent: Fri, Apr 29, 2011 10:38 am
                                                    > Subject: Re: [atlas_craftsman] Another New Guy - 12" Craftsman Lathe
                                                    >
                                                    > A reminder, my lathe has been ID'd as a late 1936 Crafstman 12"
                                                    > tandard.
                                                    > So, in the course of trying to get my lathe up and running, I noticed
                                                    > lot of play in the cross slide and cross feed assemblies. Hopefully
                                                    > have the right terminology there. After pulling both apart, it looks
                                                    > o me like both the nuts and shafts are worn and allowing both pieces
                                                    > o move back and forth about 1/16" for a combined 1/8" or so.
                                                    > I just got off the phone with Clausing. They said that they thought
                                                    > he parts should interchange with a 6" Atlas, so the part #s and
                                                    > rices below are based on that.
                                                    > Do these prices sound right? the top slide part prices don't seem that
                                                    > nreasonable, but the cross slide screw/nut seems pretty ridiculous.
                                                    > an anyone with a similar lathe confirm that interchange? I would have
                                                    > hought that the interchange would be an atlas 10", not a 6"?
                                                    > #m6-36a cross slide screw with nut $148.40
                                                    > 3950-19 top slide screw $57.04
                                                    > m6-306 top slide nut $13.60
                                                    >
                                                    > n Apr 22, 2011, at 1:52 PM, Ben D'Avanza wrote:
                                                    > > Brad,
                                                    > You and I seem to have the same interests (motorcycles) and approach
                                                    > (learning) with the lathe.
                                                    > -Ben
                                                    >
                                                    > On Apr 22, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Brad Lehman wrote:
                                                    >
                                                    > Great, thanks for the input.
                                                    >
                                                    > I'm guessing that this won't be my last lathe, but after a couple
                                                    > years of internal debate over what to buy, I finally decided that I
                                                    > would just have to jump in somewhere and get my feet wet. I figure
                                                    > even if I lose a few dollars along the way, I can chalk it up to a
                                                    > learning experience. The immediate needs I have for the lathe don't
                                                    > call for a super high level of precision anyway. I would like to be
                                                    > able to make some parts for my motorcycle projects like wheel spacers,
                                                    > slugs for frame repair, things of that nature.
                                                    >
                                                    > Hopefully the bulk of the $$ I spend playing around with this thing
                                                    > will be in tooling that I can continue to use with the inevitable next
                                                    > lathe.
                                                    >
                                                    > I'll see if I can get a tooth count on the gears and see what I have
                                                    > there.
                                                    >
                                                    > How would I determine exactly what shape the bearings are in? Like I
                                                    > said, I heard it run, and it didn't seem to be excessively noisy, but
                                                    > beyond that I really don't know what to look for?
                                                    >
                                                    > On Apr 22, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Bruce Freeman wrote:
                                                    >
                                                    > > Babbit bearings are fine as long as they are in good shape. If
                                                    > > they're not
                                                    > > in good shape they can be repoured & scraped.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Lack of a quick-change gearbox and power crossfeed are the most
                                                    > > serious
                                                    > > demerits I see on this lathe. And you can live without those. It's a
                                                    > > hobby
                                                    > > lathe, not a production lathe. I like a power cross-feed for facing
                                                    > > off,
                                                    > > but you can do that with a steady hand on the crank.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > You seem to have the gears you need for changing the lead screw
                                                    > > speed. You
                                                    > > might want to do a tooth-count on them and determine whether you
                                                    > > have a
                                                    > > complete (enough) set.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > That stepped pulley in your tool box might be a spare motor pulley,
                                                    > > or maybe
                                                    > > irrelevant.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > That "101 L5A 4016S" might be (or include) the model number. "Atlas
                                                    > > 101"
                                                    > > seems to mean something -- but I'm not up on model numbers so can't
                                                    > > help you
                                                    > > there.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Brad Lehman
                                                    > > <lehman.brad@...> wrote:
                                                    > >
                                                    > >> Is that a deal killer?
                                                    > >>
                                                    > >>
                                                    > >> On Apr 22, 2011, at 12:19 PM, Dan Buchanan wrote:
                                                    > >>
                                                    > >>> Babbit bearings!
                                                    > >>>
                                                    > >>> --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Scott Henion <shenion@...> wrote:
                                                    > >>>
                                                    > >>> From: Scott Henion <shenion@...>
                                                    > >>> Subject: Re: [atlas_craftsman] Another New Guy - 12" Craftsman
                                                    > > Lathe
                                                    > >>> To: atlas_craftsman@yahoogroups.com
                                                    > >>> Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 9:08 AM
                                                    > >>>
                                                    > >>>
                                                    > >>>
                                                    > >>> On 4/22/2011 11:43 AM, Brad Lehman wrote:
                                                    > >>>
                                                    > >>>> Thanks for the responses so far all...
                                                    > >>>
                                                    > >>>>
                                                    > >>>
                                                    > >>>> No, I'm pretty sure it is indeed a craftsman. If it's not,
                                                    > > someone
                                                    > >>> did
                                                    > >>>
                                                    > >>>> a hell of a job at trying to pass it off as one. Here are some
                                                    > >>> pics of
                                                    > >>>
                                                    > >>>> mine:
                                                    > >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/7791170@N05/sets/72157626428189997/with/5643683990/
                                                    > >>>
                                                    > >>>>
                                                    > >>>
                                                    > >>>> I'm not finding a brass plate anywhere on this thing other
                                                    > > than the
                                                    > >>>
                                                    > >>>> threading chart inside the door that covers the gears, etc. on
                                                    > > the
                                                    > >>>
                                                    > >>>> headstock. The numbers that I am finding on the ways don't
                                                    > > seem to
                                                    > >>>
                                                    > >>>> match what is on the lathes.co.uk website. What I can make out
                                                    > > looks
                                                    > >>>
                                                    > >>>> like it reads: 101 L5A 4016S photographic evidence here:
                                                    > >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/7791170@N05/5643683990/sizes/o/in/set-72157626428189997/
                                                    > >>>
                                                    > >>>>
                                                    > >>>
                                                    > >>> Looks like a late 1936 Standard version. 5/8" feed screw and no
                                                    > > power
                                                    > >>>
                                                    > >>> cross feed. Also looks like the 12" length version. Probably a bit
                                                    > >>> rare.
                                                    > >>>
                                                    > >>> Description here:
                                                    > >>>
                                                    > >>> http://www.lathes.co.uk/craftsman/page
                                                    >
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                                                  • wheezer
                                                    What type of tool holder are you using? QCTP or lantern? Are the two angled screws with that hold the cross slide tight to the post? Do you have the
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                                                      What type of tool holder are you using?
                                                      QCTP or lantern?

                                                      Are the two angled screws with <10-309> that hold the cross slide
                                                      tight to the post?

                                                      Do you have the tool bit positioned on center line of the work pc?
                                                      Does the work piece have any wobble in it as it spins?

                                                      Used a tailstock?
                                                      Start the lathe, move the bit into the work not at the end, but in a
                                                      little.
                                                      Still rock back?




                                                      On Apr 29, 2011, at 7:41 PM, Brad Lehman wrote:

                                                      > As soon as the bit would contact the workpiece, there would
                                                      > be a very noticable 'jump' of the tool bit back toward me as though I
                                                      > hadn't taken up all of the backlash.



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                                                    • Brad Lehman
                                                      Was using a lantern tool post, but have since picked up a QCTP (not installed yet as I have to find someone to mill down the T-Nut piece for me). Angled screws
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                                                        Was using a lantern tool post, but have since picked up a QCTP (not
                                                        installed yet as I have to find someone to mill down the T-Nut piece
                                                        for me).

                                                        Angled screws were tight.

                                                        Had the top of the bit on center, or as near as I could tell, it was
                                                        on center anyway. No wobble in the work piece that I could see. It is
                                                        becoming obvious that one of my next purchases is going to need to be
                                                        a dial indicator and magnetic base though.

                                                        Wasn't using a tail stock, as I only had the work piece protruding
                                                        from the chuck by about 3/4".

                                                        I'll have to put things back together in order to try the rest.
                                                        Hopefully I'll have a chance to do that over the weekend.




                                                        On Apr 29, 2011, at 9:27 PM, wheezer wrote:

                                                        > What type of tool holder are you using?
                                                        > QCTP or lantern?
                                                        >
                                                        > Are the two angled screws with <10-309> that hold the cross slide
                                                        > tight to the post?
                                                        >
                                                        > Do you have the tool bit positioned on center line of the work pc?
                                                        > Does the work piece have any wobble in it as it spins?
                                                        >
                                                        > Used a tailstock?
                                                        > Start the lathe, move the bit into the work not at the end, but in a
                                                        > little.
                                                        > Still rock back?
                                                        >
                                                        > On Apr 29, 2011, at 7:41 PM, Brad Lehman wrote:
                                                        >
                                                        > > As soon as the bit would contact the workpiece, there would
                                                        > > be a very noticable 'jump' of the tool bit back toward me as
                                                        > though I
                                                        > > hadn't taken up all of the backlash.
                                                        >
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                                                        >
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                                                      • wheezer
                                                        ... It can be filed or hack sawed. Do not make it smaller than needed, but it s not a precision fit. Lantern posts have more flex than QCTP. You will notice
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                                                          On Apr 29, 2011, at 9:51 PM, Brad Lehman wrote:

                                                          >
                                                          > Was using a lantern tool post, but have since picked up a QCTP (not
                                                          > installed yet as I have to find someone to mill down the T-Nut piece
                                                          > for me).

                                                          It can be filed or hack sawed.
                                                          Do not make it smaller than needed,
                                                          but it's not a precision fit.

                                                          Lantern posts have more flex than QCTP. You will notice the diff.
                                                          I removed my compound, made a base to fit over the stub and bolted the
                                                          QCTP to the base. It eliminates the cantilever over the compound.
                                                          I reinstall the compound if I need an angle cut.
                                                          >
                                                          > Angled screws were tight.

                                                          Do you have the small metal pins <10-309>at the end?
                                                          They pivot to hold the base tighter than the screws alone.
                                                          How about the gib screws<10-225>, loose or snug?
                                                          >
                                                          > Had the top of the bit on center, or as near as I could tell, it was
                                                          > on center anyway. No wobble in the work piece that I could see. It is
                                                          > becoming obvious that one of my next purchases is going to need to be
                                                          > a dial indicator and magnetic base though.

                                                          To center the bit, I use a trick some one here provided.
                                                          Wind the bit up to the work and place a straight 6" metal strip
                                                          or ruler between the bit and the work. When the ruler is vertical,
                                                          the bit is centered.

                                                          Harbor Freight has mag base and dials on sale often.
                                                          >
                                                          > Wasn't using a tail stock, as I only had the work piece protruding
                                                          > from the chuck by about 3/4".

                                                          OK, no flex in the work.

                                                          Check the metal gib <10f-57> on the back side under the carriage.
                                                          Two screws hold it up to clamp the carriage to the ways, shims
                                                          provide clearance to slide. On my 12", the screws work loose and the
                                                          back of
                                                          the carriage tends to lift up. I have to remove them and add some
                                                          Lock-Tite
                                                          before I use the lathe again.

                                                          >
                                                          > I'll have to put things back together in order to try the rest.
                                                          > Hopefully I'll have a chance to do that over the weekend.

                                                          The Atlas is not a rigid lathe.
                                                          If I want rigid, I use my 16" South Bend.
                                                          There is flex in the ways, compound, drive system etc.
                                                          Lube and adjust can reduce much of it.
                                                          The rest you learn to work with.

                                                          lance
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                                                        • Doc
                                                          your reply points out one of the problems of long distance trouble shooting ...one does not know the knowledge or sxperience of the guestioner
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                                                            your reply points out one of the problems of long distance trouble shooting ...one does not know the knowledge or sxperience of the guestioner & sometimes steps on toes....

                                                            think i have removed your earlier posts

                                                            current thots FWIW ....i & most keep the compound gibs pretty tight requires some effort to turn ..& i keep xslide gibs w/ SOME feel ..not LOOSE...

                                                            dont know the size stock , but a good rule may be dont extend from chuck more than one to 11/2 diameters ...this rule is regularly violated for very lite cuts , but IF your chuck jaws are worn BELL moouthed & are only holding on the insides of the jaws , when you take a cut , the part will MOVE , lose whatever concentricity you had & cut becomes minimal .....i have a 6 in chuck that came w/ a 1895 14 in lathe & when i first tried to take a cut , what i got was a planed flat on the bar.......i was in disbelief .....repeated it ...what the %%5##.....finally "figgered " it out ..... .
                                                            what was occurring was an initial cut which pushed the bar away & & now when the part returned it was off center towards me & a second cut occurred , again pushing it away with.continued repetition ..result was a flat & no diametral reduction ....ground the jaws & it held tightly , just anywhere from 2 to 18 thou out each time ...terrific scroll,jaw, & scroll pivot wear....

                                                            ******* wear on atlas machines is on front way & on the back & underside of rear way...there are take up points in rear .......if carriage is not tight , you can get the result you describe...carriage moves away

                                                            i will continue pondering your problem

                                                            re quick change ...if you have a 4 jaw you can chuck it up & thin it rechuck at 90 deg & shorten /narrow ...if you have a faceplate you can thin it ..if you mount it on an angle plate bolted to the faceplate , you can SHORTEN it ..........if all else fails , kerf cuts w/ hacksaw & cape chisel chip cuts followed by filing wil accomplish the task ...a 14 or 16 in bastard cut file is a ferocious metal remover,,,,,,,,...this is how it was done before 1800's & invention of metal shaper...

                                                            lantern tool post was standard for 150 yrs ..& is still useful at times......... for heavy cuts & parting , when i use the lantern i either turn over the radiused plate so i have a FLAT , ( shim if necessary , BUt you have SOME adjustment w/ armstrong type holders ) or machine a proper sized rounded flat w/ hole .wrench down & it IS ridgid ...
                                                            i turned down a 2 in bar to one inch on 14in monarch A lathe in one pass this way , as a test...........

                                                            best wishes .

                                                            docn8as





                                                            -----Original Message-----
                                                            From: Brad Lehman <lehman.brad@...>
                                                            To: atlas_craftsman@yahoogroups.com
                                                            Sent: Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:41 pm
                                                            Subject: Re: [atlas_craftsman] Another New Guy - 12" Craftsman Lathe


                                                            First off, thanks for the reply. Second, if you wouldn't mind, please
                                                            ake a look at my slightly later reply that included links to some
                                                            hotos of the offending parts and give me your opinion.
                                                            #1 While I didn't attempt to measure the slop, I stand by the relative
                                                            mount. I didn't say that a single screw was causing an .125" of
                                                            ovement, rather both of them combined were. I could very well be off
                                                            bit on the exact amount of wear, but the point I was trying to get
                                                            cross is that this isn't a 16th of a turn of backlash or something
                                                            ike that.
                                                            #2 That is where I started first. It might have helped a bit, but not
                                                            ery noticeably. After that, I decided I should rip things apart for a
                                                            loser look at the screws themselves.
                                                            #3-#6 With all possible respect, I am the lowest form of ignoramus
                                                            hen it comes to machining, but I do understand the concept of
                                                            acklash. One of my other interests is woodworking, and in particular
                                                            like old hand planes. Dealing with backlash in those old beasts is
                                                            retty commonplace as well. I realize that buying old tools means
                                                            ealing with wear, and I'm ok with that. However, I'm wondering if I
                                                            m doing something seriously wrong as far as cutting technique which
                                                            s making me think that things are worse off than they really are?
                                                            Of the test cuts I made with the lathe, I wasn't able to 'work around
                                                            t'. With the lathe off, I would run both the cross feed and compound
                                                            ack toward me an excessive amount, then back in toward the work to
                                                            vercome any backlash. When the bit was just barely touching the
                                                            orkpiece, I would run the carriage a bit to the right, and dial in a
                                                            ew thousandths of depth on the compound, fire up the lathe, then
                                                            tart manually advancing the carriage toward the headstock (to begin
                                                            utting). As soon as the bit would contact the workpiece, there would
                                                            e a very noticable 'jump' of the tool bit back toward me as though I
                                                            adn't taken up all of the backlash. If I'm not doing something wrong
                                                            ith cutting technique, I can't being to imagine how one works around
                                                            his. ie: how do I compensate for this 'jump'? As far as I could tell,
                                                            didn't have any excessive overhang on anything, and the surface
                                                            inish of the cuts I took was surprisingly nice (to me anyway), so it
                                                            idn't look to me like I was getting much, if any flex/chattering. Is
                                                            t possible that there is something else loose that could cause this
                                                            ehavior? After having typed all of this out, I wish I had some way to
                                                            ust take a short video of what I mean. I'll bet it would make more
                                                            ense.
                                                            #7 I appreciate that, and I'll keep it in mind, but lets see what else
                                                            he group can figure out first. For all I know, the only nut that
                                                            eally needs replacing on the machine is the one behind the controls.

                                                            n Apr 29, 2011, at 6:49 PM, Doc wrote:
                                                            >
                                                            several things to SERIOUSLY think abt
                                                            #1 w/ a 10 pitch screw , any lash over .100 means it is STRIPPED &
                                                            wont move ...so 1/8 WEAR is incorrect .....

                                                            #2 things to check before uyou start purchasing .....adjustment s
                                                            the nuts between the dial & end of handle adjust the play ...see how
                                                            much MOVEMENt there is before everything is against each other
                                                            viz ...dial ,nuts boss, ...if you get too tight , slide wont hardly
                                                            move .......abt 5-10 thou lash is BUILT IN for use......

                                                            #3....learn to handle lash ...it exists on ALL manual machines that
                                                            dont have expensive ball screws.....when moving slide in same
                                                            direction as last movement , ( against the part , the lash is taken
                                                            up & NO CORRECTION needed) ...if you back OFF , you need t9o go
                                                            beyond the lash & then back up to the number on dial you
                                                            need ...effectively REMOVING the lash .....when you buy a USED
                                                            machine , you WILL have lash due to wear .......

                                                            #4 on my 5 lathes , dating back to 1895 , the xfeed lash varies from
                                                            1/8 of a turn to 1/2 .....i have no problems working to a 1/2 thou
                                                            on any of them due to lash .....at 1/2 + turn i am thinking of
                                                            correcting on my 16 in shaper at 3/4 turn i know i will

                                                            #5 ..the worst of my 16 or so machine tools is .my 90 yr old surface
                                                            grinder which has 2 1/2 turns on x feed handle ...how is
                                                            THAT ? ....the housing is worn & allows all that movement before
                                                            screw canbear on it & activate......yeah i know that is really
                                                            sad .......it is on my list & has been for 10 years....

                                                            #6 my late model crftsmn 12x36 has a nasty habit of the x feed NUT
                                                            working loose & all of a sudden i have 30 thou lash .......i tighten
                                                            it & am back to 15 thou ....which works just fine......dont know if
                                                            yours does or not ...worth a check ....

                                                            7 ...& if all else fails i have a xslide /compound form the same
                                                            model lathe HIDDEN IN MY BARN that i scrapped out YEARS
                                                            ago ...also , a bed & few other things ...travers gear box was
                                                            broken & i didnt think the rest warrented my making one,,,i cud dig
                                                            it out if needed.....

                                                            good luck & best wishes
                                                            docn8as

                                                            A reminder, my lathe has been ID'd as a late 1936 Crafstman 12"
                                                            tandard.
                                                            So, in the course of trying to get my lathe up and running, I noticed
                                                            lot of play in the cross slide and cross feed assemblies. Hopefully
                                                            have the right terminology there. After pulling both apart, it looks
                                                            o me like both the nuts and shafts are worn and allowing both pieces
                                                            o move back and forth about 1/16" for a combined 1/8" or so.

                                                            -----Original Message-----
                                                            From: Brad Lehman <lehman.brad@...>
                                                            To: atlas_craftsman@yahoogroups.com
                                                            Sent: Fri, Apr 29, 2011 10:38 am
                                                            Subject: Re: [atlas_craftsman] Another New Guy - 12" Craftsman Lathe

                                                            A reminder, my lathe has been ID'd as a late 1936 Crafstman 12"
                                                            tandard.
                                                            So, in the course of trying to get my lathe up and running, I noticed
                                                            lot of play in the cross slide and cross feed assemblies. Hopefully
                                                            have the right terminology there. After pulling both apart, it looks
                                                            o me like both the nuts and shafts are worn and allowing both pieces
                                                            o move back and forth about 1/16" for a combined 1/8" or so.
                                                            I just got off the phone with Clausing. They said that they thought
                                                            he parts should interchange with a 6" Atlas, so the part #s and
                                                            rices below are based on that.
                                                            Do these prices sound right? the top slide part prices don't seem that
                                                            nreasonable, but the cross slide screw/nut seems pretty ridiculous.
                                                            an anyone with a similar lathe confirm that interchange? I would have
                                                            hought that the interchange would be an atlas 10", not a 6"?
                                                            #m6-36a cross slide screw with nut $148.40
                                                            3950-19 top slide screw $57.04
                                                            m6-306 top slide nut $13.60

                                                            n Apr 22, 2011, at 1:52 PM, Ben D'Avanza wrote:
                                                            > Brad,
                                                            You and I seem to have the same interests (motorcycles) and approach
                                                            (learning) with the lathe.
                                                            -Ben

                                                            On Apr 22, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Brad Lehman wrote:

                                                            Great, thanks for the input.

                                                            I'm guessing that this won't be my last lathe, but after a couple
                                                            years of internal debate over what to buy, I finally decided that I
                                                            would just have to jump in somewhere and get my feet wet. I figure
                                                            even if I lose a few dollars along the way, I can chalk it up to a
                                                            learning experience. The immediate needs I have for the lathe don't
                                                            call for a super high level of precision anyway. I would like to be
                                                            able to make some parts for my motorcycle projects like wheel spacers,
                                                            slugs for frame repair, things of that nature.

                                                            Hopefully the bulk of the $$ I spend playing around with this thing
                                                            will be in tooling that I can continue to use with the inevitable next
                                                            lathe.

                                                            I'll see if I can get a tooth count on the gears and see what I have
                                                            there.

                                                            How would I determine exactly what shape the bearings are in? Like I
                                                            said, I heard it run, and it didn't seem to be excessively noisy, but
                                                            beyond that I really don't know what to look for?

                                                            On Apr 22, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Bruce Freeman wrote:

                                                            > Babbit bearings are fine as long as they are in good shape. If
                                                            > they're not
                                                            > in good shape they can be repoured & scraped.
                                                            >
                                                            > Lack of a quick-change gearbox and power crossfeed are the most
                                                            > serious
                                                            > demerits I see on this lathe. And you can live without those. It's a
                                                            > hobby
                                                            > lathe, not a production lathe. I like a power cross-feed for facing
                                                            > off,
                                                            > but you can do that with a steady hand on the crank.
                                                            >
                                                            > You seem to have the gears you need for changing the lead screw
                                                            > speed. You
                                                            > might want to do a tooth-count on them and determine whether you
                                                            > have a
                                                            > complete (enough) set.
                                                            >
                                                            > That stepped pulley in your tool box might be a spare motor pulley,
                                                            > or maybe
                                                            > irrelevant.
                                                            >
                                                            > That "101 L5A 4016S" might be (or include) the model number. "Atlas
                                                            > 101"
                                                            > seems to mean something -- but I'm not up on model numbers so can't
                                                            > help you
                                                            > there.
                                                            >
                                                            > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Brad Lehman
                                                            > <lehman.brad@...> wrote:
                                                            >
                                                            >> Is that a deal killer?
                                                            >>
                                                            >>
                                                            >> On Apr 22, 2011, at 12:19 PM, Dan Buchanan wrote:
                                                            >>
                                                            >>> Babbit bearings!
                                                            >>>
                                                            >>> --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Scott Henion <shenion@...> wrote:
                                                            >>>
                                                            >>> From: Scott Henion <shenion@...>
                                                            >>> Subject: Re: [atlas_craftsman] Another New Guy - 12" Craftsman
                                                            > Lathe
                                                            >>> To: atlas_craftsman@yahoogroups.com
                                                            >>> Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 9:08 AM
                                                            >>>
                                                            >>>
                                                            >>>
                                                            >>> On 4/22/2011 11:43 AM, Brad Lehman wrote:
                                                            >>>
                                                            >>>> Thanks for the responses so far all...
                                                            >>>
                                                            >>>>
                                                            >>>
                                                            >>>> No, I'm pretty sure it is indeed a craftsman. If it's not,
                                                            > someone
                                                            >>> did
                                                            >>>
                                                            >>>> a hell of a job at trying to pass it off as one. Here are some
                                                            >>> pics of
                                                            >>>
                                                            >>>> mine:
                                                            >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/7791170@N05/sets/72157626428189997/with/5643683990/
                                                            >>>
                                                            >>>>
                                                            >>>
                                                            >>>> I'm not finding a brass plate anywhere on this thing other
                                                            > than the
                                                            >>>
                                                            >>>> threading chart inside the door that covers the gears, etc. on
                                                            > the
                                                            >>>
                                                            >>>> headstock. The numbers that I am finding on the ways don't
                                                            > seem to
                                                            >>>
                                                            >>>> match what is on the lathes.co.uk website. What I can make out
                                                            > looks
                                                            >>>
                                                            >>>> like it reads: 101 L5A 4016S photographic evidence here:
                                                            >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/7791170@N05/5643683990/sizes/o/in/set-72157626428189997/
                                                            >>>
                                                            >>>>
                                                            >>>
                                                            >>> Looks like a late 1936 Standard version. 5/8" feed screw and no
                                                            > power
                                                            >>>
                                                            >>> cross feed. Also looks like the 12" length version. Probably a bit
                                                            >>> rare.
                                                            >>>
                                                            >>> Description here:
                                                            >>>
                                                            >>> http://www.lathes.co.uk/craftsman/page

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                                                          • Glenn N
                                                            You can tighten your nuts up quite a bit if you cut a slot from the top (flat part) down about halfway through the threaded hole and ~1/8 from one end. Then
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                                                              You can tighten your nuts up quite a bit if you cut a slot from the top
                                                              (flat part) down about halfway through the threaded hole and ~1/8" from one
                                                              end. Then drill and tap for an AHCS with clearance in the tab so when you
                                                              tighten the screw it pulls the nut closer together. Should bring it down to
                                                              a useful amount of backlash and last a long time. Mine have been that way
                                                              about 5 years now and I have had to tighten them up once but I still have
                                                              room to go before they are used up.

                                                              Glenn
                                                              ----- Original Message -----
                                                              From: "Brad Lehman" <lehman.brad@...>
                                                              To: <atlas_craftsman@yahoogroups.com>
                                                              Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 2:18 PM
                                                              Subject: Re: [atlas_craftsman] Another New Guy - 12" Craftsman Lathe


                                                              Thanks for the input, it's very helpful. Especially the link to that
                                                              PDF. I've been looking all over for a parts list scan that was
                                                              actually readable.

                                                              Re: buying acme screw stock and making my own... I could see how this
                                                              would very rapidly turn into me having to buy a second lathe to make
                                                              parts to repair the original lathe. While that undeniably appeals to
                                                              my natural tool acquisition impulses, it doesn't very much appeal to
                                                              my rapidly draining bank account. Now, if *you* were to take this on
                                                              as a project, I would be your first customer if you could beat
                                                              Clausing prices ;)

                                                              I took a quick look at ebay, and think I found the ones you were
                                                              referring to. I see two possible problems. First, my lathe pre-dates
                                                              the power cross feed and I'm guessing that is what the extra gear is
                                                              for on the ebay screws. Not sure if it would work for me despite that?
                                                              Also, I'm wondering if used would be worth the hassle. If mine are
                                                              worn, and by all appearances, my lathe didn't live a very hard life,
                                                              could I really expect another set of used screws/nuts to be much
                                                              better off?

                                                              -- Brad

                                                              PS. If whoever is/was making the nuts would speak up, I'd like to hear
                                                              from you...


                                                              On Apr 29, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Scott Henion wrote:

                                                              > On 4/29/2011 11:38 AM, Brad Lehman wrote:
                                                              > > I just got off the phone with Clausing. They said that they thought
                                                              > > the parts should interchange with a 6" Atlas, so the part #s and
                                                              > > prices below are based on that.
                                                              > >
                                                              > > Do these prices sound right? the top slide part prices don't seem
                                                              > that
                                                              > > unreasonable, but the cross slide screw/nut seems pretty ridiculous.
                                                              > > Can anyone with a similar lathe confirm that interchange? I would
                                                              > have
                                                              > > thought that the interchange would be an atlas 10", not a 6"?
                                                              > >
                                                              > > #m6-36a cross slide screw with nut $148.40
                                                              > > #3950-19 top slide screw $57.04
                                                              > > #m6-306 top slide nut $13.60
                                                              >
                                                              > I doubt the 6" ones are right.
                                                              >
                                                              > My 12x36 was made in 1941'ish. It has the 3/8" ways but 3/4" main feed
                                                              > screw (later ones had 1/2" ways, earlier had 5/8" feed.)
                                                              >
                                                              > The parts list is here:
                                                              > http://shdesigns.org/Craftsman-12x36/Craftsman12x36.pdf
                                                              >
                                                              > It shows 10f-36 for the cross feed screw and 10F-305 for the compound
                                                              > slide slide screw. 10F-19 for the cross nut and 9-306 for the compound
                                                              > nut. I know my cross screw is 1/2-10.
                                                              >
                                                              > Notice all parts have a 9/10 prefix not 6.
                                                              >
                                                              > It might be worth while to see if you can get Acme threaded rod the
                                                              > right size (LH thread.) Or cutting your own. I bet you got a 3' rod
                                                              > you
                                                              > could sell the extra (I'd take one ;) )
                                                              >
                                                              > I'm tempted to get some 1/2-10 threaded rod and make my own. Hmm, Enco
                                                              > has 1/2-10 LH Keystone Precision rod for $26. Maybe I'll get 3' and
                                                              > make
                                                              > 3 and sell the others.
                                                              >
                                                              > Don't know who here made the nuts. I see Enco has some for $26 that
                                                              > would need a stud added.
                                                              > BTW, there are two complete thread/nut assemblies on ebay for $40
                                                              > and $50.
                                                              > --
                                                              >
                                                              > ------------------------------------
                                                              > Scott G. Henion
                                                              > Craftsman 12x36 lathe:
                                                              > http://shdesigns.org/Craftsman12x36
                                                              > ------------------------------------
                                                              >
                                                              >
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                                                              Good list of suspects Doc :) This one should be in the FAQ! Glenn ... From: Doc To: Sent: Friday, April
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                                                                Good list of suspects Doc :) This one should be in the FAQ!

                                                                Glenn
                                                                ----- Original Message -----
                                                                From: "Doc" <n8as1@...>
                                                                To: <atlas_craftsman@yahoogroups.com>
                                                                Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 3:49 PM
                                                                Subject: Re: [atlas_craftsman] Another New Guy - 12" Craftsman Lathe



                                                                several things to SERIOUSLY think abt
                                                                #1 w/ a 10 pitch screw , any lash over .100 means it is STRIPPED &
                                                                wont move ...so 1/8 WEAR is incorrect .....

                                                                #2 things to check before uyou start purchasing .....adjustment s the
                                                                nuts between the dial & end of handle adjust the play ...see how
                                                                much MOVEMENt there is before everything is against each other viz
                                                                ...dial ,nuts boss, ...if you get too tight , slide wont hardly move
                                                                .......abt 5-10 thou lash is BUILT IN for use......

                                                                #3....learn to handle lash ...it exists on ALL manual machines that
                                                                dont have expensive ball screws.....when moving slide in same
                                                                direction as last movement , ( against the part , the lash is
                                                                taken up & NO CORRECTION needed) ...if you back OFF , you need t9o
                                                                go beyond the lash & then back up to the number on dial you need
                                                                ...effectively REMOVING the lash .....when you buy a USED machine
                                                                , you WILL have lash due to wear .......

                                                                #4 on my 5 lathes , dating back to 1895 , the xfeed lash varies
                                                                from 1/8 of a turn to 1/2 .....i have no problems working to a 1/2
                                                                thou on any of them due to lash .....at 1/2 + turn i am
                                                                thinking of correcting on my 16 in shaper at 3/4 turn i know i
                                                                will

                                                                #5 ..the worst of my 16 or so machine tools is .my 90 yr old surface
                                                                grinder which has 2 1/2 turns on x feed handle ...how is THAT ?
                                                                ....the housing is worn & allows all that movement before screw
                                                                canbear on it & activate......yeah i know that is really sad
                                                                .......it is on my list & has been for 10 years....

                                                                #6 my late model crftsmn 12x36 has a nasty habit of the x feed NUT
                                                                working loose & all of a sudden i have 30 thou lash .......i tighten
                                                                it & am back to 15 thou ....which works just fine......dont know if
                                                                yours does or not ...worth a check ....

                                                                7 ...& if all else fails i have a xslide /compound form the same
                                                                model lathe HIDDEN IN MY BARN that i scrapped out YEARS ago ...also
                                                                , a bed & few other things ...travers gear box was broken & i
                                                                didnt think the rest warrented my making one,,,i cud dig it out if
                                                                needed.....

                                                                good luck & best wishes
                                                                docn8as







                                                                A reminder, my lathe has been ID'd as a late 1936 Crafstman 12"
                                                                tandard.
                                                                So, in the course of trying to get my lathe up and running, I noticed
                                                                lot of play in the cross slide and cross feed assemblies. Hopefully
                                                                have the right terminology there. After pulling both apart, it looks
                                                                o me like both the nuts and shafts are worn and allowing both pieces
                                                                o move back and forth about 1/16" for a combined 1/8" or so.







                                                                -----Original Message-----
                                                                From: Brad Lehman <lehman.brad@...>
                                                                To: atlas_craftsman@yahoogroups.com
                                                                Sent: Fri, Apr 29, 2011 10:38 am
                                                                Subject: Re: [atlas_craftsman] Another New Guy - 12" Craftsman Lathe


                                                                A reminder, my lathe has been ID'd as a late 1936 Crafstman 12"
                                                                tandard.
                                                                So, in the course of trying to get my lathe up and running, I noticed
                                                                lot of play in the cross slide and cross feed assemblies. Hopefully
                                                                have the right terminology there. After pulling both apart, it looks
                                                                o me like both the nuts and shafts are worn and allowing both pieces
                                                                o move back and forth about 1/16" for a combined 1/8" or so.
                                                                I just got off the phone with Clausing. They said that they thought
                                                                he parts should interchange with a 6" Atlas, so the part #s and
                                                                rices below are based on that.
                                                                Do these prices sound right? the top slide part prices don't seem that
                                                                nreasonable, but the cross slide screw/nut seems pretty ridiculous.
                                                                an anyone with a similar lathe confirm that interchange? I would have
                                                                hought that the interchange would be an atlas 10", not a 6"?
                                                                #m6-36a cross slide screw with nut $148.40
                                                                3950-19 top slide screw $57.04
                                                                m6-306 top slide nut $13.60

                                                                n Apr 22, 2011, at 1:52 PM, Ben D'Avanza wrote:
                                                                > Brad,
                                                                You and I seem to have the same interests (motorcycles) and approach
                                                                (learning) with the lathe.
                                                                -Ben

                                                                On Apr 22, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Brad Lehman wrote:

                                                                Great, thanks for the input.

                                                                I'm guessing that this won't be my last lathe, but after a couple
                                                                years of internal debate over what to buy, I finally decided that I
                                                                would just have to jump in somewhere and get my feet wet. I figure
                                                                even if I lose a few dollars along the way, I can chalk it up to a
                                                                learning experience. The immediate needs I have for the lathe don't
                                                                call for a super high level of precision anyway. I would like to be
                                                                able to make some parts for my motorcycle projects like wheel spacers,
                                                                slugs for frame repair, things of that nature.

                                                                Hopefully the bulk of the $$ I spend playing around with this thing
                                                                will be in tooling that I can continue to use with the inevitable next
                                                                lathe.

                                                                I'll see if I can get a tooth count on the gears and see what I have
                                                                there.

                                                                How would I determine exactly what shape the bearings are in? Like I
                                                                said, I heard it run, and it didn't seem to be excessively noisy, but
                                                                beyond that I really don't know what to look for?

                                                                On Apr 22, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Bruce Freeman wrote:

                                                                > Babbit bearings are fine as long as they are in good shape. If
                                                                > they're not
                                                                > in good shape they can be repoured & scraped.
                                                                >
                                                                > Lack of a quick-change gearbox and power crossfeed are the most
                                                                > serious
                                                                > demerits I see on this lathe. And you can live without those. It's a
                                                                > hobby
                                                                > lathe, not a production lathe. I like a power cross-feed for facing
                                                                > off,
                                                                > but you can do that with a steady hand on the crank.
                                                                >
                                                                > You seem to have the gears you need for changing the lead screw
                                                                > speed. You
                                                                > might want to do a tooth-count on them and determine whether you
                                                                > have a
                                                                > complete (enough) set.
                                                                >
                                                                > That stepped pulley in your tool box might be a spare motor pulley,
                                                                > or maybe
                                                                > irrelevant.
                                                                >
                                                                > That "101 L5A 4016S" might be (or include) the model number. "Atlas
                                                                > 101"
                                                                > seems to mean something -- but I'm not up on model numbers so can't
                                                                > help you
                                                                > there.
                                                                >
                                                                > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Brad Lehman
                                                                > <lehman.brad@...> wrote:
                                                                >
                                                                >> Is that a deal killer?
                                                                >>
                                                                >>
                                                                >> On Apr 22, 2011, at 12:19 PM, Dan Buchanan wrote:
                                                                >>
                                                                >>> Babbit bearings!
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>> --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Scott Henion <shenion@...> wrote:
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>> From: Scott Henion <shenion@...>
                                                                >>> Subject: Re: [atlas_craftsman] Another New Guy - 12" Craftsman
                                                                > Lathe
                                                                >>> To: atlas_craftsman@yahoogroups.com
                                                                >>> Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 9:08 AM
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>> On 4/22/2011 11:43 AM, Brad Lehman wrote:
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>>> Thanks for the responses so far all...
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>>>
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>>> No, I'm pretty sure it is indeed a craftsman. If it's not,
                                                                > someone
                                                                >>> did
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>>> a hell of a job at trying to pass it off as one. Here are some
                                                                >>> pics of
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>>> mine:
                                                                >>
                                                                http://www.flickr.com/photos/7791170@N05/sets/72157626428189997/with/5643683990/
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>>>
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>>> I'm not finding a brass plate anywhere on this thing other
                                                                > than the
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>>> threading chart inside the door that covers the gears, etc. on
                                                                > the
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>>> headstock. The numbers that I am finding on the ways don't
                                                                > seem to
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>>> match what is on the lathes.co.uk website. What I can make out
                                                                > looks
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>>> like it reads: 101 L5A 4016S photographic evidence here:
                                                                >>
                                                                http://www.flickr.com/photos/7791170@N05/5643683990/sizes/o/in/set-72157626428189997/
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>>>
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>> Looks like a late 1936 Standard version. 5/8" feed screw and no
                                                                > power
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>> cross feed. Also looks like the 12" length version. Probably a bit
                                                                >>> rare.
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>> Description here:
                                                                >>>
                                                                >>> http://www.lathes.co.uk/craftsman/page

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