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  • tmasthenes13
    ... good case in ... my extensive ... BM, of ... con for me ... here than ... =========================== Bob, There is a guy names Michael Horn who has
    Message 1 of 12 , Oct 18, 2008
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      --- In arthur@yahoogroups.com, egonaut@... wrote:
      >
      > Thanks, Tom, for this re-introduction.
      >
      > I spent the morning pondering how some info can remain occulted in a
      > person's perception and to have BM re-introduced this afternoon is a
      good case in
      > point as I have yet to run across the Pleiadian material in all of
      my extensive
      > research, which is an anomaly in itself. Even though I had heard of
      BM, of
      > course, there was never anything really substantial either pro or
      con for me
      > to evaluate, consequently it was rather easy for me to dismiss him.
      >
      > After looking at some evidence today, I now see that there is more
      here than
      > had formerly met the I.
      ===========================

      Bob,

      There is a guy names Michael Horn who has taken upon himself the task
      of keeping Billy Meier's work alive and thriving. He's a regular on
      Coast to Coast AM and comes on about every 6 months to talk about BM.

      http://www.theyfly.com/

      Here are the "Henoch prophecies of Billy Meier" with an intro about
      the back-pedaling of skeptics trying to reproduce BM's photos of UFOs

      http://www.theyfly.com/prophecies/prophecies.htm

      "Many people are still unaware of the amazing story of "Billy" Eduard
      Albert Meier, the now 67-year-old Swiss man whose voluntary,
      face-to-face contacts with extraterrestrial humans have been going on
      for the past 62 years. For many years, Meier was dismissed by sceptics
      as a fraud and hoaxer. But the recent failure of the top professional
      sceptics' organisation CFI-West, in Los Angeles, to duplicate even one
      of his "easily duplicated" UFO photos or film segments, followed by
      the sudden retraction by magician/debunker James Randi that the case
      is a hoax, has resulted in much deserved, renewed interest in the case."
      -----------------------------

      Horn has also produced a movie called "The Silent Revolution of Truth."
      http://www.theyfly.com/products/products.htm#srot

      Here is a timely transcription of Billy's "Gier frisst Hirn" or "Greed
      devours/consumes the Brain"
      http://www.theyfly.com/newsflash94/Greed_devours_the_brain_FIGU_K.pdf

      On that note, I could help Michael out by translating some of the vast
      Pleiadean literature, since Billy records and has recorded everything
      in his native Swiss German.

      Of course there is great controversy over Billy's alleged discovery of
      the "Talmud Jmmanuel," whether it is a complete hoax. And indeed Billy
      has been known to hoax some things, which simply adds to the chaos
      surrounding the categorical imperative to get beyond belief and
      disbelief by not-not-believing (2nd derivative) and
      not-not-not-believing (3rd derivative)
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud_Jmmanuel
      http://www.tjresearch.info/contents.htm

      Here's a skeptic's page
      http://www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/8148/scam.html

      I posted about TJ some 5 years ago here
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arthur/message/1373

      Finally, Billy's prediction of a giant earthquake to occur off the
      coast of Vancouver and devastate Wash. Oregon and Northern California
      with a tsunami.
      http://www.theyfly.com/newsflash95/Updated_Earthquake_Tsunami_Ver2.pdf

      That's exactly the prediction of the web-bot "Time
      Monks" George Ure, Cliff & Igor. From their meta-linguistic
      cyber-analysis, they give a date of December 12, 2008 for this event.

      http://www.urbansurvival.com/week.htm
      http://www.doomers.us/forum2/index.php?topic=25195.0

      Tom
    • jma
      Tom, The cover of Business Week, dated Oct. 27 reads in 2 type; The Future of Kapitalism and could just as easily mean, the End of Capitalism . The idea of
      Message 2 of 12 , Oct 19, 2008
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        Tom,

        The cover of Business Week, dated Oct. 27 reads in 2” type; “The Future of Kapitalism” and could just as easily mean, ‘the End of Capitalism’. The idea of Free Markets was always a deceit, but the introduction of hedging, hedge funds was an obvious recipe for the end of free markets. Insurance itself is a form of hedging aimed at protection against loss; hedge funds, created by quants, were designed to produce gains when the markets go up or down. When the quants were right we lost, when they were wrong everyone lost.

        It was believed that Futures markets served a useful economic purpose; hedge funds never had that justification. It was an experiment in control that thrived on no controls.

        Life seems like a game at times, but there are all kinds of games. War games aim at destruction of an enemy. Casino games wear the player out, over time odds accumulate; you lose. The use of Options in the stock market can be a form of inefficient hedging; it can also be a zero sum game, for every winner a loser.  

        It may be that  

        I suppose the practice of Zen is another game, one in which subject-object are neutralized, to win is to not participate; only meditate.

         

        But your presentation of levels of ego does more than denigrate dreams; it rejects the unconscious as well. The unconscious comes before dreams in Freudian or Jungian psychology. Jung went further and elaborated a distinction between the Personal and the Collective in the unconscious. We live in a sea of relations, parents, siblings, friends, cultures, and nations and nature itself.

        Obviously the variety of relations means the individual needs to favor this over that: Conflict, trauma and complexes develop and affect the ego or are hidden in the unconscious.

        You say, “to hell with that”; a strong ego will arise above all that but the reality is the ego does not so much rise as become the pawn of a special complex, the Superiority complex. (what culture do you think of?) “Type of: egotism, self-importance, swelled head.” “superiority complex n. An exaggerated feeling of being superior to others. A psychological defense mechanism in which feelings of superiority ...”    

         

        Everything you say about dreams in your post below is false or quarter truths, really bad: I can go into details if you like.  

        Joe

         

        ----- Original Message -----
        Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 10:48 AM
        Subject: [arthur] Breaking the Dream Addiction Cycle

        Joe,

        It's Oscar Brunler time again, so I call attention to a posting I made
        last April 26

        http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/arthur/ message/4621

        What I'm adding that's new is the phenomenon of dreams. When the
        Ego-Gradient is positive, i.e. the Monad, Entelechy, or better yet, da
        Mensch! is making progress through the levels, then it is important to
        remember dreams. In fact, the whole obsession with dreams, which of
        course is so central to Jung in the Acadamic range (360-390) and Freud
        in the Ego Range (420-450) and to a large extent, Rudolf Steiner, also
        sharing the Ego range with Freud.

        But on the other side of Ego Mountain, the gradient becomes negative,
        the Cartesian Ego identity is being shed like a snake skin, and an
        important attitude change during this process, is to forget dreams, to
        render them meaningless, or a s a set of "training wheels" that got
        you up the mountain.

        As Arthur said: "What good is an Ego if you can't get rid of it?"

        Now I would peg Leahy for the negative Ego-Gradient. He rejects
        reincaration, all of the so-called "perennial philosophy," because
        such things make it for a positive Ego-Gradient, but they must be
        reversed or inverted on the descent from Ego Mountain.

        According to Brunler, after the descent is the opening up of true
        Personality, which may be seen as the term Higher Self as oppsed to
        the cartesian Ego-identity which is "lower self."

        Also, much modern psychological research, such as neurological dream
        research as well as some therapeutic modalities such as EMDR and
        Hellinger Family Constellation work, is showing clearly that the
        function of dreams is to get rid of the emotional traumas or "baggage"
        of the day, that is, it is important to forget dreams, or if you
        remember them, then don't attach any significance to dreams.

        Thus, whether it's Jungian dream work, or Freudian dream analysis, or
        even Steinerian dream work, all of that effort is aimed at
        establishing the solid ego boundaries in the Ego Range, but there is
        much now to be said for the complete weaning of ourselves off the
        significance of dreams, indeed breaking the cycle of addiction to
        dreams, when it's time to come down off Ego Mountain.

        Tom

      • russell
        Dear Babs, I ve kept a copy of your post below in my working papers file for two weeks now, wondering how best to respond. It s the entirety of the piece
        Message 3 of 12 , Oct 27, 2008
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          Dear Babs,

          I've kept a copy of your post below in my 'working papers' file for two weeks now, wondering how best to respond.  It's the entirety of the piece that really moves me, but if I had to pick one point as a personal favorite to focus on, it would have to be:

          "I am grateful for the garden, the earth, the fruit and flowers and my ability to work with it all."

          I feel like the Japanese poets Basho and Issa are resonating strongly within this line.  Plus it reminds me of my Dad - now 84 - because after two hip replacements he still pursues one of his chief joys in life over our summertime together up at the Lake:  planting and especially weeding, out in the vegetable garden we share with a neighbor, Tarik - who also happens to be an old college student co-op roommate of Dad's, a close friend from way back...

          The blessing of involvement - the way Mother Earth weaves our activity together with the beautiful unfolding of plants - that we are invited to take part in the miracle of living within the sphere of this planet, invited to walk through the overarching pines and come into the garden and find ourselves at home suddenly, in the sacred presence of flowers and vegetables...

          Well, I've been looking forward to this November and another memorial to the life and teachings of Arthur Young - especially over the course of the past 2 weeks or so - and as the 2007 winner of the AY Turkey Shoot award from Bob, it seems only fitting at this point to declare you the hands down winner of the Arthur Young Enlightened Groundedness non-award something-or-other, in recognition of the gentle way in which you have humbled us all, helped to bring us down a bit from our metaphysical head trips, and bracketed creative thinking between the emotion of gratitude and the multifoliate wonders of the sensory world.  (whatever that means)

          With honorable mention, of course, to Jelke who, in his gently persistent way has served to remind me that man is the measure of all things, as that crazy ole Greek Anaxagoras would have it.

          Happy belated birthday greetings,

          ;):)

          Russell

           

           

          --- In arthur@yahoogroups.com, Babs Murphy <babsfox@...> wrote:
          >
          >
          > Today is my 55th Birthday (October 14, 2008)
          >
          > I never expected to live this long since my mother died at the age of 53.
          > I never expected to be this age and still single.
          > I never expected my family to continually chastise me for my "mistakes" ... the price of an independent thinker.
          > I never expected to have a job wearing a uniform since I've rarely been a conformist, yet this is my daily existence.
          > And yet, I am grateful for my life and experiences.
          >
          > I am grateful for the time and place in which I was born and for the parents who gave me my life and character.
          > There are two sides to this coin, however, where I lacked guidance, I had the opportunity to explore and be curious. Where I lacked formal education, I could dabble in music and art and read as much or as little of a wide range of topics and not be responsible for papers or others judging my selection or conclusions.
          > I am grateful for the people I've met, the conversations that have enlightened my mind, the friendships, however brief (but especially those that abide), that enrich my life.
          > I am grateful for my current job because I see the glory of God in everyone's faces and hundreds of travelers stream by me every day.
          > I am grateful for the garden, the earth, the fruit and flowers and my ability to work with it all.
          > I am grateful for my senses and sense of nonsense.
          > I'm grateful that I may share these few thoughts with you and thank you for what you've brought to my life.
          > Best - Babs
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > _________________________________________________________________
          > Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live.
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          >

        • Babs Murphy
          Dear Russell...you are so very kind to send along the belated birthday thoughts. It warms my heart on a day that is blustery, gray and cold...longing for
          Message 4 of 12 , Oct 28, 2008
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            Dear Russell...you are so very kind to send along the belated birthday thoughts. It warms my heart on a day that is blustery, gray and cold...longing for pliant weeds to pull which are now anonymously stiff and brown. I'm settling for sitting by a library window...New Scientist Magazine next on the pile to read and rustling leaves dancing wildly on bending tree limbs. It's a good day off. Best - Babs

            -----Original Message-----
            From: russell <rdavis3330@...>
            Sent: 10/27/2008 8:56:32 PM
            To: arthur@yahoogroups.com <arthur@yahoogroups.com>
            Subject: [arthur] Re: With gratitude....




            Dear Babs,

            I've kept a copy of your post below in my 'working papers' file for two
            weeks now, wondering how best to respond. It's the entirety of the
            piece that really moves me, but if I had to pick one point as a personal
            favorite to focus on, it would have to be:

            "I am grateful for the garden, the earth, the fruit and flowers and my
            ability to work with it all."

            I feel like the Japanese poets Basho and Issa are resonating strongly
            within this line. Plus it reminds me of my Dad - now 84 - because after
            two hip replacements he still pursues one of his chief joys in life over
            our summertime together up at the Lake: planting and especially
            weeding, out in the vegetable garden we share with a neighbor, Tarik -
            who also happens to be an old college student co-op roommate of Dad's, a
            close friend from way back...

            The blessing of involvement - the way Mother Earth weaves our activity
            together with the beautiful unfolding of plants - that we are invited to
            take part in the miracle of living within the sphere of this planet,
            invited to walk through the overarching pines and come into the garden
            and find ourselves at home suddenly, in the sacred presence of flowers
            and vegetables...

            Well, I've been looking forward to this November and another memorial to
            the life and teachings of Arthur Young - especially over the course of
            the past 2 weeks or so - and as the 2007 winner of the AY Turkey Shoot
            award from Bob, it seems only fitting at this point to declare you the
            hands down winner of the Arthur Young Enlightened Groundedness non-award
            something-or-other, in recognition of the gentle way in which you have
            humbled us all, helped to bring us down a bit from our metaphysical head
            trips, and bracketed creative thinking between the emotion of gratitude
            and the multifoliate wonders of the sensory world. (whatever that
            means)

            With honorable mention, of course, to Jelke who, in his gently
            persistent way has served to remind me that man is the measure of all
            things, as that crazy ole Greek Anaxagoras would have it.

            Happy belated birthday greetings,

            [;)] [:)]

            Russell





            --- In arthur@yahoogroups.com, Babs Murphy <babsfox@...> wrote:
            >
            >
            > Today is my 55th Birthday (October 14, 2008)
            >
            > I never expected to live this long since my mother died at the age of
            53.
            > I never expected to be this age and still single.
            > I never expected my family to continually chastise me for my
            "mistakes" ... the price of an independent thinker.
            > I never expected to have a job wearing a uniform since I've rarely
            been a conformist, yet this is my daily existence.
            > And yet, I am grateful for my life and experiences.
            >
            > I am grateful for the time and place in which I was born and for the
            parents who gave me my life and character.
            > There are two sides to this coin, however, where I lacked guidance, I
            had the opportunity to explore and be curious. Where I lacked formal
            education, I could dabble in music and art and read as much or as little
            of a wide range of topics and not be responsible for papers or others
            judging my selection or conclusions.
            > I am grateful for the people I've met, the conversations that have
            enlightened my mind, the friendships, however brief (but especially
            those that abide), that enrich my life.
            > I am grateful for my current job because I see the glory of God in
            everyone's faces and hundreds of travelers stream by me every day.
            > I am grateful for the garden, the earth, the fruit and flowers and my
            ability to work with it all.
            > I am grateful for my senses and sense of nonsense.
            > I'm grateful that I may share these few thoughts with you and thank
            you for what you've brought to my life.
            > Best - Babs
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > _________________________________________________________________
            > Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live.
            >
            http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cn\
            s!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008
            >
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