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K-12 Prepping for all those students

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  • Jeff Pridie
    Holly and all My Elementary classes all run using centers : drawing, painting, collage, construction, clay, printmaking, collage, computer, art appreciation.
    Message 1 of 22 , Dec 4, 2008
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      Holly and all

      My Elementary classes all run using "centers": drawing, painting, collage, construction, clay, printmaking, collage, computer, art appreciation. So the only prep is organizing the demo's each grade level needs. The students otherwise are working on independent projects they develop from different centers. I have grades K,3,4,5 three sections each. I see each section once a week for 55 mins. So all together 36 days of elementary art for the year. I have my Elementary art classes in the morning and my high school classes in the afternoon.

      I have four high school classes to prep for Art History, Studio Art, Art Technology and Independent Art. The Independent Art develop their own working program so prep is very simple. My high school classes are mixed grade level of 9,10,11,12.

      This whole process gets much easier after the first and second year as you get a routine down. The start up is the killer and once that hurdle is covered it does get manageable.

      All students have folders. Some elementary and upper grade level supplies are separated while others are shared. I use large tables instead of individual desk. I have great storage cabinets. Everything is labeled. Organization is vital in working with a k-12 program.

      Jeff (Minnesota)


      > I teach K-12, I'd love to talk about hear or elementary!
      > I'm a first year teacher so I have mostly been
      > listening!
      >
      > I have a question for the K-12 teachers out there. How do
      > you prep for 13 grade levels without going crazy? (I'm
      > doing ok, but its a struggle!) How do you set up your room
      > to accomadate 5 year-olds and 18 year-olds?
      >
      > Holly
      > Art
      >
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: art_education@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Jeff
      > Pridie
      > Sent: Thu 12/4/2008 8:42 PM
      > To: art_education@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: Re: [art_education] High School List Group
      >
      > Mike,
      >
      > There are those of us on the list that are a combo of grade
      > levels. I for many years taught High School and Middle
      > School but now teach Elementary and High School.
      >
      > It seems from my observations High School and Middle School
      > teachers do not use the listserv's as much as the
      > Elementary Art teachers do.
      >
      > Feel free to post a question or discussion topic and I am
      > sure it will be addressed.
      >
      > Jeff (Minnesota)
      >
      >
      >
      > > Is anyone in an Art Educator list group that is made
      > up of
      > > mostly high
      > > school art teachers that they could turn me on to?
      > Most of
      > > the issues
      > > in this group pertain to elementary school teachers
      > and I
      > > am not
      > > relating.
      > >
      > > Thanks,
      > >
      > > Mike Prendergast
      > > Lawndale, CA
      > >
      > > http://www.lawndalehs.org/apps/album/index.jsp?
      > > dir=44263&backLink=&backTitle=&rn=7561651
    • Makio Kawashima
      List members, Most of the issues in this galleries pertain to elementary school teachers and you are relating. Thanks, STUDENT ART GALLERIES
      Message 2 of 22 , Dec 5, 2008
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        List members,
         
        Most of the issues in this galleries  pertain to elementary school teachers and you are relating.
        Thanks,
         
         
         
        ----- Original Message -----
        Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:57 AM
        Subject: [art_education] High School List Group

        Is anyone in an Art Educator list group that is made up of mostly high
        school art teachers that they could turn me on to? Most of the issues
        in this group pertain to elementary school teachers and I am not
        relating.

        Thanks,

        Mike Prendergast
        Lawndale, CA

        http://www.lawndale hs.org/apps/ album/index. jsp?
        dir=44263&backLink= &backTitle= &rn=7561651

      • reen shannon
        How do you handle work turned in late? ... From: Kelly Moncure To: art_education@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:16 PM Subject: Re:
        Message 3 of 22 , Dec 5, 2008
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          How do you handle work turned in late?
           
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          Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:16 PM
          Subject: Re: [art_education] High School List Group

          me too!  High school through and through!

          --- On Thu, 12/4/08, maryjo rosania <mojoroneno@gmail. com> wrote:
          From: maryjo rosania <mojoroneno@gmail. com>
          Subject: Re: [art_education] High School List Group
          To: art_education@ yahoogroups. com
          Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 3:22 PM

          I don't know - but I am a high school teacher...
          let's talk about high school :)
          I'm up for it!
          MaryJo

          On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 1:57 PM, mprender8888 <mprender8888@ yahoo.com> wrote:

          Is anyone in an Art Educator list group that is made up of mostly high
          school art teachers that they could turn me on to? Most of the issues
          in this group pertain to elementary school teachers and I am not
          relating.

          Thanks,

          Mike Prendergast
          Lawndale, CA

          http://www.lawndale hs.org/apps/ album/index. jsp?
          dir=44263&backLink=&backTitle=&rn=7561651




          --
          MaryJo Rosania



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        • Holly Clement
          I am getting a new (bigger!) art room in the spring. After reading up on centers that is the direction I would like to go in when I get to the new room. I
          Message 4 of 22 , Dec 5, 2008
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            I am getting a new (bigger!) art room in the spring. After reading up on “centers” that is the direction I would like to go in when I get to the new room. I think it will be the best thing for the kids but, I am just worried about the prep for the centers being a very big job. I only see my K-6 students once a week, I have them in the afternoon. My high school classes are Art 2, which is mostly self directed study, Photography, Art 1 & Ceramics, which will become JH art next semester. Do you have any examples posted online of activities you would have going on in the centers or photos of your classroom layout? I’m getting ready to move my room so it’s a great time for me to see how other people have their rooms set up!!

             

            Thanks Jeff, and everyone else for posting great ideas. This first year is rough!


            From: art_education@yahoogroups.com [mailto: art_education@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Pridie
            Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:06 P
            To: art_education@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [art_education] K-12 Prepping for all those students

             

            Holly and all
            My Elementary classes all run using "centers": drawing, painting, collage, construction, clay, printmaking, collage, computer, art appreciation. So the only prep is organizing the demo's each grade level needs. The students otherwise are working on independent projects they develop from different centers. I have grades K,3,4,5 three sections each. I see each section once a week for 55 mins. So all together 36 days of elementary art for the year. I have my Elementary art classes in the morning and my high school classes in the afternoon.

            I have four high school classes to prep for Art History, Studio Art, Art Technology and Independent Art. The Independent Art develop their own working program so prep is very simple. My high school classes are mixed grade level of 9,10,11,12.

            This whole process gets much easier after the first and second year as you get a routine down. The start up is the killer and once that hurdle is covered it does get manageable.

            All students have folders. Some elementary and upper grade level supplies are separated while others are shared. I use large tables instead of individual desk. I have great storage cabinets. Everything is labeled. Organization is vital in working with a k-12 program.

            Jeff ( Minnesota )

            > I teach K-12, I'd love to talk about hear or elementary!
            > I'm a first year teacher so I have mostly been
            > listening!
            >
            > I have a question for the K-12 teachers out there. How do
            > you prep for 13 grade levels without going crazy? (I'm
            > doing ok, but its a struggle!) How do you set up your room
            > to accomadate 5 year-olds and 18 year-olds?
            >
            > Holly
            > Art
            >
            >
            >
            > -----Original Message-----
            > From: art_education@ yahoogroups. com
            on behalf of Jeff
            > Pridie
            > Sent: Thu 12/4/2008 8:42 PM
            > To: art_education@ yahoogroups. com
            > Subject: Re: [art_education] High School List Group
            >
            > Mike,
            >
            > There are those of us on the list that are a combo of grade
            > levels. I for many years taught High School and Middle
            > School but now teach Elementary and High School.
            >
            > It seems from my observations
            High School and Middle School
            > teachers do not use the listserv's as much as the
            > Elementary Art teachers do.
            >
            > Feel free to post a question or discussion topic and I am
            > sure it will be addressed.
            >
            > Jeff ( Minnesota )
            >
            >
            >
            > > Is anyone in an Art Educator list group that is made
            > up of
            > > mostly high
            > > school art teachers that they could turn me on to?
            > Most of
            > > the issues
            > > in this group pertain to elementary school teachers
            > and I
            > > am not
            > > relating.
            > >
            > > Thanks,
            > >
            > > Mike Prendergast
            > > Lawndale ,
            w:st="on">CA
            > >
            > > http://www.lawndale hs.org/apps/ album/index. jsp?
            > > dir=44263&backLink= &backTitle= &rn=7561651

          • Kerri Gordon
            Hang in there...it gets better!!! It used to struggle, but now find it very fun and exciting to have different groups of kids all day long...i m in my 9th year
            Message 5 of 22 , Dec 5, 2008
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              Hang in there...it gets better!!! It used to struggle, but now find it very fun and exciting to have different groups of kids all day long...i'm in my 9th year of teaching and it's become old hat...
              I used to start out by grouping my K-1/2-3/4-5th grades together...I'm also lucky that our school gives us 2 preps one semester and one prep another semester...I also start "prepping" for other grades/classes after I've presented a lesson and the kids are busy working...especially high school...they are soo independent, that I usually "prep" when they are not asking for help and working hard.
              Good luck!!!:)

              Kerri
              K-12 Art Teacher


              -----Original Message-----
              From: art_education@yahoogroups.com [mailto:art_education@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Holly Clement
              Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:04 PM
              To: art_education@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: RE: [art_education] High School List Group

              I teach K-12, I'd love to talk about hear or elementary! I'm a first year teacher so I have mostly been listening!

              I have a question for the K-12 teachers out there. How do you prep for 13 grade levels without going crazy? (I'm doing ok, but its a struggle!) How do you set up your room to accomadate 5 year-olds and 18 year-olds?

              Holly
              Art



              -----Original Message-----
              From: art_education@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Jeff Pridie
              Sent: Thu 12/4/2008 8:42 PM
              To: art_education@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [art_education] High School List Group

              Mike,

              There are those of us on the list that are a combo of grade levels. I for many years taught High School and Middle School but now teach Elementary and High School.

              It seems from my observations High School and Middle School teachers do not use the listserv's as much as the Elementary Art teachers do.

              Feel free to post a question or discussion topic and I am sure it will be addressed.

              Jeff (Minnesota)



              > Is anyone in an Art Educator list group that is made up of
              > mostly high
              > school art teachers that they could turn me on to? Most of
              > the issues
              > in this group pertain to elementary school teachers and I
              > am not
              > relating.
              >
              > Thanks,
              >
              > Mike Prendergast
              > Lawndale, CA
              >
              > http://www.lawndalehs.org/apps/album/index.jsp?
              > dir=44263&backLink=&backTitle=&rn=7561651
            • Marianne
              My assignment sheets all include a rubric with the grading criteria which I go over at the beginning of the project. When the kids say is this good enough I
              Message 6 of 22 , Dec 5, 2008
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                My assignment sheets all include a rubric with the grading criteria
                which I go over at the beginning of the project. When the kids
                say "is this good enough" I direct them to the grading criteria /
                objectives and tell them to decide if they think it is "enough." They
                are required to self evaluate before they turn in the project.
                My basic rubric is used on Incredible Art Department for many of the
                posted projects. Example on this lesson plan:
                http://www.princetonol.com/groups/iad/lessons/high/Ken-Figure.htm

                Marianne in Ohio

                --- In art_education@yahoogroups.com, Kerri Gordon <Kerri_Gordon@...>
                wrote:
                >
                > I'm a K-12 teacher, so I appreciate all input! including High
                school:)
                > Topic: Grading artwork-how do you grade artwork?
                > GO!
                >
                > ________________________________
                > From: art_education@yahoogroups.com
                [mailto:art_education@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of maryjo rosania
                > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:22 PM
                > To: art_education@yahoogroups.com
                > Subject: Re: [art_education] High School List Group
                >
                >
                > I don't know - but I am a high school teacher...
                > let's talk about high school :)
                > I'm up for it!
                > MaryJo
                >
                > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 1:57 PM, mprender8888
                <mprender8888@...<mailto:mprender8888@...>> wrote:
                >
                > Is anyone in an Art Educator list group that is made up of mostly
                high
                > school art teachers that they could turn me on to? Most of the
                issues
                > in this group pertain to elementary school teachers and I am not
                > relating.
                >
                > Thanks,
                >
                > Mike Prendergast
                > Lawndale, CA
                >
                > http://www.lawndalehs.org/apps/album/index.jsp?
                > dir=44263&backLink=&backTitle=&rn=7561651
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > --
                > MaryJo Rosania
                >
              • MaryJo Rosania
                Well, what I usually do is at the start of the semester I give them a syllabus - and I tell them it is subject to change.... just in case I develop a new
                Message 7 of 22 , Dec 6, 2008
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                  Well, what I usually do is at the start of the semester I give them a syllabus - and I tell them it is subject to change....
                  just in case I develop a new lesson, so decide something would work better in another place.
                  Right now I am teaching 4 levels of photography - which is a new thing for me, since the school I just left had one level - and it was digital (this is darkroom and digital) and I wrote the course at the other school....so I feel like i have been developing a photo program for about 3 years. The classes I taught at my last school that I had been consistently teaching for 7 years I had down by year 5 - I knew what worked and the time it took to do it - I also just went from 80 minute periods on a block schedule to 40 minute, traditional schedule. So that was a switch. there is never enough time to get anything done - although 40 minutes is perfect for a critique. 

                  What kind of lessons are you doing that the students are finishing so fast, are they just rushing? do you see them everyday? maybe you can give some longer lessons? what course(s) are you teaching? 
                  MaryJo 


                  On Dec 4, 2008, at 4:13 PM, Kerri Gordon wrote:


                  I love the self-reflection aspect...I never even thought of doing that!  Great idea!
                  I usually write down 5 objectives on their project which are worth 5 points...for a total score of 20 pts for each project.  I also make sure to include time/effort since I usually get 4-5 students who finish in 1 day or less;(
                  Do you give students a list of their projects for the whole semester? or do you go week by week?


                  From: art_education@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:art_ education@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of maryjo rosania
                  Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:05 PM
                  To: art_education@ yahoogroups. com
                  Subject: Re: [art_education] High School List Group


                  Woo Hoo! A high school question!!
                  (I often wonder how elementary teachers grade though.....so you GO! too :)) I use a variety of methods to grade student work. When I give an assignment I also give the grading criteria...sometime s in a rubric form, sometimes in the form of a list on the bottom of the assignment sheet. I never give an assignment without a piece of paper and some examples...
                  anyway, the grading is usually based on the criteria of the project -- if the goal was to show line, shape and color...I grade on those elements- were they seen. In addition, I would add - effort and motivation, and creativity. In photo I also include print quality - or in general, craftsmanship.
                  Or I will use a rubric that I grade, and the student also grades and the two grades get added together.... and you would be surprised how brutally honest students are with their own work. It is amazing to me.
                  Then, I will also use self reflection -- where they answer a few questions, usually opinion, reflection or sometimes recalling something I taught them...and the questions are assessed along with the rest of the project criteria.
                   
                  I think that is the main three ways -- and then there is class participation, which I really only reserve for the classes that "need" it.
                  How about you?
                  MaryJo
                  New Jersey 

                  On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Kerri Gordon <Kerri_Gordon@ northwood. k12.wi.us> wrote:

                  I'm a K-12 teacher, so I appreciate all input!  including High school:)
                  Topic: Grading artwork-how do you grade artwork?
                  GO!


                  From: art_education@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:art_education@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Ofmaryjo rosania
                  Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:22 PM
                  To: art_education@ yahoogroups. com
                  Subject: Re: [art_education] High School List Group


                  I don't know - but I am a high school teacher...
                  let's talk about high school :)
                  I'm up for it!
                  MaryJo 

                  On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 1:57 PM, mprender8888 <mprender8888@ yahoo.com>wrote:

                  Is anyone in an Art Educator list group that is made up of mostly high 
                  school art teachers that they could turn me on to? Most of the issues 
                  in this group pertain to elementary school teachers and I am not 
                  relating.

                  Thanks,

                  Mike Prendergast
                  Lawndale, CA

                  http://www.lawndale hs.org/apps/ album/index. jsp?
                  dir=44263&backLink=&backTitle=&rn=7561651




                  -- 
                  MaryJo Rosania










                  -- 
                  MaryJo Rosania





                • wanda smith
                  I teach 8th and 9th grades, Most of my projects are worth 100 points, I use a rubric that includes: 40 points following directions (including all things I ask
                  Message 8 of 22 , Dec 6, 2008
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                    I teach 8th and 9th grades, Most of my projects are worth 100 points,
                    I use a rubric that includes:
                    40 points following directions (including all things I ask for)
                    20 points creativity and interest
                    20 points over all neatness
                    20 points staying on task and working to potential
                    I mark off 5 points if there is no name, date and class period on
                    the back, 5 points off if over a week late,then for every day late
                    after a week 1 point per day. Wanda

                    --- In art_education@yahoogroups.com, "reen shannon" <reens@...>
                    wrote:
                    >
                    > How do you handle work turned in late?
                    >
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: Kelly Moncure
                    > To: art_education@yahoogroups.com
                    > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:16 PM
                    > Subject: Re: [art_education] High School List Group
                    >
                    >
                    > me too! High school through and through!
                    >
                    > --- On Thu, 12/4/08, maryjo rosania <mojoroneno@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > From: maryjo rosania <mojoroneno@...>
                    > Subject: Re: [art_education] High School List Group
                    > To: art_education@yahoogroups.com
                    > Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 3:22 PM
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > I don't know - but I am a high school teacher...
                    > let's talk about high school :)
                    > I'm up for it!
                    > MaryJo
                    >
                    >
                    > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 1:57 PM, mprender8888
                    <mprender8888@ yahoo.com> wrote:
                    >
                    > Is anyone in an Art Educator list group that is made up
                    of mostly high
                    > school art teachers that they could turn me on to? Most
                    of the issues
                    > in this group pertain to elementary school teachers and
                    I am not
                    > relating.
                    >
                    > Thanks,
                    >
                    > Mike Prendergast
                    > Lawndale, CA
                    >
                    > http://www.lawndale hs.org/apps/ album/index. jsp?
                    > dir=44263&backLink=&backTitle=&rn=7561651
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > --
                    > MaryJo Rosania
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
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                  • Ken
                    From reading the membership applications to this group, there are many secondary art teachers on the list. They seem to be a much quieter bunch than the
                    Message 9 of 22 , Dec 6, 2008
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                      From reading the membership applications to this group, there are many
                      secondary art teachers on the list. They seem to be a much quieter
                      bunch than the elementary teachers.

                      Ken Rohrer
                      List Moderator

                      --- In art_education@yahoogroups.com, "mprender8888"
                      <mprender8888@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Is anyone in an Art Educator list group that is made up of mostly high
                      > school art teachers that they could turn me on to? Most of the issues
                      > in this group pertain to elementary school teachers and I am not
                      > relating.
                      >
                      > Thanks,
                      >
                      > Mike Prendergast
                      > Lawndale, CA
                      >
                      > http://www.lawndalehs.org/apps/album/index.jsp?
                      > dir=44263&backLink=&backTitle=&rn=7561651
                      >
                    • MaryJo Rosania
                      For me, late work is a case by case basis -- but the kids do not know that.... they know that after a project is started, and presented, I will post a due
                      Message 10 of 22 , Dec 7, 2008
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                        For me, late work is a "case by case" basis -- but the kids do not know that....
                        they know that after a project is started, and presented, I will post a due date - which is very fair and reasonable. 
                        If they do not have it done by the due date for some reason like being sick, or having a pass to guidance for a day...something legit, I do not take off.
                        If it is late because they fooled around when they should have been working, etc...I will take off 5 points a day. 
                        (I very rarely have to do this) and if not this, then I will take off from the "Effort and Self-Motivation" grade -that specifically says next to it (working in class, taking initiative, etc)
                        so that is how I handle it.

                        If a kid wants to take a project home because they are really into it, or work more on it, I don't usually take off, but they are expected to start the next thing, and hand that in on time too.
                        hope this helps,
                        MaryJo 




                        On Dec 5, 2008, at 7:17 AM, reen shannon wrote:


                        How do you handle work turned in late?
                         
                        ----- Original Message -----
                        Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:16 PM
                        Subject: Re: [art_education] High School List Group


                        me too!  High school through and through!

                        --- On Thu, 12/4/08, maryjo rosania <mojoroneno@gmail. com> wrote:
                        From: maryjo rosania <mojoroneno@gmail. com>
                        Subject: Re: [art_education] High School List Group
                        To: art_education@ yahoogroups. com
                        Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 3:22 PM


                        I don't know - but I am a high school teacher...
                        let's talk about high school :)
                        I'm up for it!
                        MaryJo 

                        On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 1:57 PM, mprender8888 <mprender8888@ yahoo.com> wrote:

                        Is anyone in an Art Educator list group that is made up of mostly high 
                        school art teachers that they could turn me on to? Most of the issues 
                        in this group pertain to elementary school teachers and I am not 
                        relating.

                        Thanks,

                        Mike Prendergast
                        Lawndale, CA

                        http://www.lawndale hs.org/apps/ album/index. jsp?
                        dir=44263&backLink=&backTitle=&rn=7561651




                        -- 
                        MaryJo Rosania






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                      • Suzette Milam-Morrow
                        Mike and others- I m a 20 year h.s. veteran. I have taught Art1,2,3, Advanced Placement Studio Drawing, 2-d ,3-d, Ceramics, Computer Graphics and Yearbook.
                        Message 11 of 22 , Dec 7, 2008
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                          Mike and others-
                          I'm a 20 year h.s. veteran. I have taught Art1,2,3, Advanced Placement
                          Studio Drawing, 2-d ,3-d, Ceramics, Computer Graphics and Yearbook. Bring on
                          the questions.

                          I'm now starting art on a cart in elementary schools and know NOTHING about
                          how to make multiple steps of mess making happen off a cart and then get it
                          all to another place. And, then switch to another lesson. I am busy making
                          visual aids, since I don't have any of that stuff anymore ether. Life is
                          funny and always a challenge, ah? I really appreciate all the help from
                          everyone here.

                          -----Original Message-----
                          From: art_education@yahoogroups.com [mailto:art_education@yahoogroups.com]
                          On Behalf Of Marianne
                          Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:11 PM
                          To: art_education@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: [SPAM] [art_education] Re: High School List Group

                          I'm a former elementary art teacher who now teaches high school and middle
                          school, and everytime I have posted questions to the list I have gotten lots
                          of great responses. We/they are out there...start a topic.

                          Marianne


                          --- In art_education@yahoogroups.com, Kelly Moncure <kc_artworks@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > me too! High school through and through!
                          >
                          > --- On Thu, 12/4/08, maryjo rosania mojoroneno@... wrote:
                          > From: maryjo rosania mojoroneno@...
                          > Subject: Re: [art_education] High School List Group
                          > To: art_education@yahoogroups.com
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                          > I don't know - but I am a high school teacher...
                          > let's talk about high school :)
                          > I'm up for it!
                          > MaryJo
                          >
                          >
                          > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 1:57 PM, mprender8888 <mprender8888@ yahoo.com>
                          wrote:
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                          > Is anyone in an Art Educator list group that is made up of mostly high
                          > school art teachers that they could turn me on to? Most of the issues
                          > in this group pertain to elementary school teachers and I am not
                          >
                          > relating.
                          >
                          > Thanks,
                          >
                          > Mike Prendergast
                          > Lawndale, CA
                          >
                          > http://www.lawndale hs.org/apps/ album/index. jsp?
                          > dir=44263&backLink=&backTitle=&rn=7561651
                          >
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                          >
                          >
                          > --
                          > MaryJo Rosania
                          >
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