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  • Jennifer Spence
    Hi, I didn t really do an intro for myself, it s been a crazy past couple of weeks. I m a K-8 art teacher in NYC, in the upper Manhattan Inwood neighborhood. I
    Message 1 of 9 , Mar 4, 2007
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      Hi, I didn’t really do an intro for myself, it’s been a crazy past couple of weeks.

      I’m a K-8 art teacher in NYC, in the upper Manhattan Inwood neighborhood.

       

      I don’t know if this will make you feel any better or worse, but it’s my 8th year teaching in the dept. of ed. here, and I have never been observed either.  I have requested observations because there are things that I need help with, none forthcoming, as something would occur last minute; in short, non-testing subjects come second to the others.  In some ways this can be a blessing as well, not being noticed I mean.  Sometimes, though, it can be nice to be left alone.  I sort of wish that the observation thing would become regular because I do catch myself getting sloppy at times. 

       

      Peace to all & have a great week,

      Jen Spence

      PS/MS 278

       

       

       

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      From: art_education@yahoogroups.com [mailto:art_education@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of daughertyjm79
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      Subject: [art_education] Re: supervision in education

       

      I have found it is pretty lonely out here in the world of education.
      I think especially in the specialist areas. This is only my fith year
      teaching, but I have only been observed maybe ten times. My current
      job is with a charter school in inner city St. Louis, and it has been
      super stressful because I STILL haven't been observed. Our first
      principal at the school (she has since been let go) was a tyrant that
      made sure we all knew we were at will employees and could be let go
      when ever she felt. I felt like every day I walked through the doors
      I was going to do something wrong and get fired. Since then, our
      school managers have hired another lady (who is much more personable)
      and we have all been scheduled to be observed.

      I know its difficult because I think we as teachers are really hard
      on ourselves, and we need someone to either say, "Hey, yeah you're
      doing a good job" or "These are some areas we can work on." I have
      had two massive breakdowns (at work) because of the conditions we
      were under, but couldn't do anything becuase my family needs this
      income. I have decided to start telling myself that I am doing a good
      job, instead of tearing apart everything I do. I have also consulted
      my physician because I just felt I needed some professional advice. I
      really didn't want to go on any kind of medication because I know the
      reason I am stressed is because I feel sooooo unsupported at this
      job. She advised me to maybe spend an hour every once and a while
      with a counselor. I have also decided to start doing some more fun
      things for me, like my own art or walking.

      I know that education is a stressful, solitary world, but hang in
      there because it does get easier. I also think its worth the insanity
      just to see the kids do something good or feel proud of themselves.
      So long as YOU think you are doing the best you can; you need to
      believe that is enough. I am sure you are doing fine.

      Jill in ST. LOUIS

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      >
      > Throughout the year, my supervision consisted of: the department
      meeting 4 times (It's March now) - but I was sick once, and with me
      meeting with my supervisor along with the principal once. We are
      supposed to meet once more after my first formal observation this
      week. Unfortunately, things aren't going well due to personal
      reasons and feeling of lack of support & lack of training. I was
      wondering, is this typical in a special education job? My graduate
      training was mostly in elementary special ed, right now I'm in a
      college prep middle school, very test oriented. I'm very stressed
      right now & i'm at a breaking point.
      >
      > When I was a therapist/art therapist, I normally had individual
      supervision every other week & group supervision every other week, so
      I felt pretty supported. I also had strong training & as a
      therapist, organizational skills aren't as crucial. I'm not sure
      what to think about all of this & I'm feeling very disappointed &
      upset about how things are going at work.
      >
      > Wayong
      >
      >
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    • Cathy Wilson
      Wayong, From my friends in special ed, your feelings are right on. My friends say that each day feels crazy, out of control. And it doesn t necessarily have to
      Message 2 of 9 , Mar 5, 2007
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        Wayong,
        From my friends in special ed, your feelings are right on. My friends say that each day feels crazy, out of control. And it doesn't necessarily have to do with lack of training. The mix of special ed students can be impossible, with profound brain damage sitting next to personality disorder. Indeed, one of my friends shifted from special ed to administration because of this. I teach part day in a correctional facility and we have staff support for this sort of thing, because many arrested youth are special ed. Without that support, I'd feel nuts and very much at risk. So . .. good job! I'm sorry you don't have the support you need doing this very difficult job.
        Cathy Wilson
        Price, Utah
      • Robinson, Michael
        Unfortunately, this is very common. Many places give little support to new teachers. If there is anyone who is not your supervisor who might come and give an
        Message 3 of 9 , Mar 5, 2007
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          Unfortunately, this is very common. Many places give little support to new teachers. If there is anyone who is not your supervisor who might come and give an objective point of view, see if you can arrange it. Also remember it takes a long time to become "good" at teaching. I'd say it took me ten or fifteen years.
          Mike Robinson

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          I have found it is pretty lonely out here in the world of education.
          I think especially in the specialist areas. This is only my fith year
          teaching, but I have only been observed maybe ten times. My current
          job is with a charter school in inner city St. Louis, and it has been
          super stressful because I STILL haven't been observed. Our first
          principal at the school (she has since been let go) was a tyrant that
          made sure we all knew we were at will employees and could be let go
          when ever she felt. I felt like every day I walked through the doors
          I was going to do something wrong and get fired. Since then, our
          school managers have hired another lady (who is much more personable)
          and we have all been scheduled to be observed.

          I know its difficult because I think we as teachers are really hard
          on ourselves, and we need someone to either say, "Hey, yeah you're
          doing a good job" or "These are some areas we can work on." I have
          had two massive breakdowns (at work) because of the conditions we
          were under, but couldn't do anything becuase my family needs this
          income. I have decided to start telling myself that I am doing a good
          job, instead of tearing apart everything I do. I have also consulted
          my physician because I just felt I needed some professional advice. I
          really didn't want to go on any kind of medication because I know the
          reason I am stressed is because I feel sooooo unsupported at this
          job. She advised me to maybe spend an hour every once and a while
          with a counselor. I have also decided to start doing some more fun
          things for me, like my own art or walking.

          I know that education is a stressful, solitary world, but hang in
          there because it does get easier. I also think its worth the insanity
          just to see the kids do something good or feel proud of themselves.
          So long as YOU think you are doing the best you can; you need to
          believe that is enough. I am sure you are doing fine.

          Jill in ST. LOUIS

          --- In art_education@yahoogroups.com <mailto:art_education@yahoogroups.com> , Wayong@... wrote:
          >
          > Throughout the year, my supervision consisted of: the department
          meeting 4 times (It's March now) - but I was sick once, and with me
          meeting with my supervisor along with the principal once. We are
          supposed to meet once more after my first formal observation this
          week. Unfortunately, things aren't going well due to personal
          reasons and feeling of lack of support & lack of training. I was
          wondering, is this typical in a special education job? My graduate
          training was mostly in elementary special ed, right now I'm in a
          college prep middle school, very test oriented. I'm very stressed
          right now & i'm at a breaking point.
          >
          > When I was a therapist/art therapist, I normally had individual
          supervision every other week & group supervision every other week, so
          I felt pretty supported. I also had strong training & as a
          therapist, organizational skills aren't as crucial. I'm not sure
          what to think about all of this & I'm feeling very disappointed &
          upset about how things are going at work.
          >
          > Wayong
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        • marylukas
          It took me a long time to figure this out, but I do believe it is very important to share with colleagues who can relate. I ve been teaching art for 22 years
          Message 4 of 9 , Mar 6, 2007
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            It took me a long time to figure this out, but I do believe it is
            very important to share with colleagues who can relate.
            I've been teaching art for 22 years and it's only been 6 or so years
            since I started having lunch with our music teacher and librarian.
            We share ideas every day. It is good to know that many of our
            successes and failures are congruent.
            Mary


            --- In art_education@yahoogroups.com, Wayong@... wrote:
            >
            > Throughout the year, my supervision consisted of: the department
            meeting 4 times (It's March now) - but I was sick once, and with me
            meeting with my supervisor along with the principal once. We are
            supposed to meet once more after my first formal observation this
            week. Unfortunately, things aren't going well due to personal
            reasons and feeling of lack of support & lack of training. I was
            wondering, is this typical in a special education job? My graduate
            training was mostly in elementary special ed, right now I'm in a
            college prep middle school, very test oriented. I'm very stressed
            right now & i'm at a breaking point.
            >
            > When I was a therapist/art therapist, I normally had individual
            supervision every other week & group supervision every other week, so
            I felt pretty supported. I also had strong training & as a
            therapist, organizational skills aren't as crucial. I'm not sure
            what to think about all of this & I'm feeling very disappointed &
            upset about how things are going at work.
            >
            > Wayong
            >
            >
            >
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          • Patricia Bejarano
            Hi I am an art teacher at high school in Bogota Colombia, and I am training my self in art theraphy, each class, each lesson plan, I try to involved an
            Message 5 of 9 , Mar 6, 2007
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              Hi
               
              I am an art teacher at high school in Bogota Colombia, and I am training my self in art theraphy, each class, each lesson plan, I try to involved an terapheutic activity, can you share with me , some ideas, or some web pages about art therapy with children
              thanks

               
              2007/3/6, marylukas <marylukas@...>:


              It took me a long time to figure this out, but I do believe it is
              very important to share with colleagues who can relate.
              I've been teaching art for 22 years and it's only been 6 or so years
              since I started having lunch with our music teacher and librarian.
              We share ideas every day. It is good to know that many of our
              successes and failures are congruent.
              Mary

              --- In art_education@yahoogroups.com, Wayong@... wrote:
              >
              > Throughout the year, my supervision consisted of: the department
              meeting 4 times (It's March now) - but I was sick once, and with me
              meeting with my supervisor along with the principal once. We are
              supposed to meet once more after my first formal observation this
              week. Unfortunately, things aren't going well due to personal
              reasons and feeling of lack of support & lack of training. I was
              wondering, is this typical in a special education job? My graduate
              training was mostly in elementary special ed, right now I'm in a
              college prep middle school, very test oriented. I'm very stressed
              right now & i'm at a breaking point.
              >
              > When I was a therapist/art therapist, I normally had individual
              supervision every other week & group supervision every other week, so
              I felt pretty supported. I also had strong training & as a
              therapist, organizational skills aren't as crucial. I'm not sure
              what to think about all of this & I'm feeling very disappointed &
              upset about how things are going at work.
              >
              > Wayong
              >
              >
              >
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            • henlaojim
              ... to new teachers. If there is anyone who is not your supervisor who might come and give an objective point of view, see if you can arrange it. Also remember
              Message 6 of 9 , Mar 6, 2007
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                --- In art_education@yahoogroups.com, "Robinson, Michael"
                <mrobinson@...> wrote:
                >
                > Unfortunately, this is very common. Many places give little support
                to new teachers. If there is anyone who is not your supervisor who
                might come and give an objective point of view, see if you can
                arrange it. Also remember it takes a long time to become "good" at
                teaching. I'd say it took me ten or fifteen years.
                > Mike Robinson
                >
                My experience has been that there is little or no supervision that is
                worth your time and trouble. Nobody is going to tell you what to do,
                they are most likely just to let you go until some time later in the
                year when some administrator will coma long and tell you that you are
                doing a lousy job because you aren't doing what they never told you
                to do. This seems to be the norm in education.

                I've been in this business off and on since 1974 and I can recall
                twice, that is, two times ever, when someone offered me some
                constructive advice or helpful criticism. That's it. Most of the
                rest of it has been irrelevant or malicious with the occasional
                admixture of incompetence thrown in for good measure.

                On the one hand this can be frustrating and annoying. On the other,
                it means that you will be left alone to do as you please and only
                occasionally will you be brought up short by some pompous fool of an
                administrator.
              • Sharon Gunn
                I am presently having a neutral colleague come to observe an elementary art class. I wanted her to observe my ART classroom procedures with the students.
                Message 7 of 9 , Mar 6, 2007
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                    I am presently having a neutral colleague  come to observe an elementary art class.  I wanted her to observe my ART classroom procedures with the students.  Managing the students through all the various stages of the Art lesson from group intro time, hands on time, clean up, reflection, and dismissal is always a juggling act.  It is a balance between time management , discipline "lack of it, or too much'.  I am hoping my colleague can point out areas where I might loosen up and areas I could attend to behavioral issues.  I also want some positive feedback.  I teach 400 students in grades k-5and have roughly five periods a day with a double period at 10:45, a single after lunch and then a double from 1:55 until 3:40.  There is no class change around time.  I find classes go well when the lesson or the material is engaging.  Issues arise when it is a rain day and the kids have been inside all day or it is Friday afternoon and the kids or I am wiped.  Life isn't perfect but being fair with the students and passionate about what you do over-rides the days when things just do not work for some reason.  For the most part I would have to say do not look for too much empathy or support from the classroom teachers; they are so very busy with what they do.  Other specialists are your best sounding boards.
                   
                  Sharon
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