Re: [art_education] Re: Kinko's acting like copyright agents, too?
Re: [art_education] Re: Kinko's acting like copyright agents, too?As a publisher and author, I appreciate Kinko’s stand on copyright infringement.
To alleviate trouble for people trying to make one copy, I print a permission in the front of my books that says something like --
“ok photocopying ten or less pages for single person use or classroom use for teachers”
Some of my older editions don’t say this, but any newer books do.
It’s simply to keep some control over the rampant multiple copying of entire books that is happening.
Can you believe the following?
I have been part of email sharing groups (not this one), where people scan
an entire book and share those jpgs with thousands of other people? The way
it benefits is that if each member in the group scans one entire book and
shares it, then everyone gets 1000 entire books for free. Yes, lots of paper
involved if they print them out. But not everyone prints out books. They
keep them on their computers for access. They share these books through AIM
and ICQ and iCHAT, where anyone on their member list or buddy list has
instant access to all their shared files. Kind of like the Napster music thing. But
entire BOOKS? Very disheartening for those little single person publishers
like myself trying to do good things for kids and parents and teachers and
still make a living.
MaryAnn F. Kohl
On 10/3/06 8:14 AM, Stephen Torode storode@... wrote:
I am sorry that you had a bad experience with Kinkos. I thought I
would weigh in with my thoughts on the matter.
As both an Art teacher and professional photographer, I provide a
service to clients that I hope will return income for myself and my
family. One of the ways I do that is by charging for my
professionally finished prints.
I had printed some proofs for one of my clients to look at for the
purpose of printing enlargements. Since I had my studio information
printed on the back of the prints along with the statement that the
prints are copywritten, I received a phone call from a manager at
Kinkos informing me that someone was making enlargements and copies
of my work.
I appreciated Kinkos efforts to thwart copywrite infringement for the
sake of my family's well being.
I can understand, however, that this power can be abused and I hope
that Kinkos will find a better, more efficient way of handling this
issue in the future.
Thanks for allowing me to comment.
Valley Christian High School
San Jose, Ca.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org <mailto:art_education%40yahoogroups.com> , MaryAnn Faubion Kohl
> Make a friend with someone who has a copier in their home or office.
> Also, you can download images from the internet and cut those in
> make color prints instead of using Kinko’s.
> Once I asked them to copy some things from a book I had written and
> published, and even I had troulbe getting them to help me. And I
> publisher!! It was kind of funny, in a way.
> MaryAnn F. Kohl
> On 10/1/06 11:39 AM, kathieblanche kathieblanche@... wrote:
> > I've been wondering about Kinko's lately too.
> > I want to bring in several art posters and have them copied.
I'de like to cut
> > the
> > copies apart into even sized rectangles and have each student
> > image that
> > is on their rectangle onto a larger piece of paper using a
> > different materials.
> > The pieces will all be fitted together into one large image when
all are done
> > and hung
> > on a wall. I am not ready to do this lesson yet, so I haven't
brought them in
> > to be
> > copied, but I'm not sure that they'll even do it...
> > I went to Kinko's in May to copy some scrapbook pages I'd made
and the Kinko's
> > guy said I could copy all but the one that was a big collage with
part of a
> > map pasted
> > in the corner. He said copying the map was not allowed. I
wanted to say,
> > "But it's
> > ART!!" -but then I realized that that left open the
rebuttal, "No it's not!"
> > And as I
> > looked down at my photo collage of the Cabazon, CA dinasaurs
> > and
> > my neices I thought, "Nope. Don't want to open that door..."
> > So what's the best way to handle the Kinko workers? Kathie,
safely back in
> > WI.
> > --- In email@example.com <mailto:art_education%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:art_education%
> > , Rivka Kehaty <rivkakehaty@> wrote:
> >> >
> >>>>> > >>>. Students have a right to learn things so I don't worry
> >> > the rights to individual images. Never---and I mean NEVER ask a
> >> > librarian if it is OK to copy something. They often feel
> >> > act as the agents of the copyright holders, which they are
> >> > you want to do is use the images to teach kids so don't fret
> >> > it. <<<
> >> >
> >> > I have gone into Kinko's (FedEx/Kinko's) and needed a color
> >> (needed
> > something special done to it so could not do it myself on the
> > copier,etc....) but
> > they have refused me in the past or wanted a note for the school
I teach for.
> >> >
> >> > Haven't Kinko's in the past been sued for copyright
violations? Are the
> >> librarians
> > afraid of that too? Should they be??
> >> >
> >> > Rivka
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ---------------------------------
> >> > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.
> >> >
- Regarding Kinko's (I used to work there years ago beofre they went
corporate & at that time they had recently survived losing a big
lawsuit from textbook companies, so that sent them down a very strict
copyright path...) but it sounds extreme now.
My best suggestion is to use the do-it-yourself (self-serve) machines
& then the employees don't have to pay attention to what you are
doing. Don't know if that would still work, but it's probably worth a
try if there aren't other printing alternatives.
Anne in Oregon