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  • Shaheen Ansari
    FYI ... *From:* Leena Prasad [mailto:leenadivansh@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, June 30, 2010 08:22 *To:* Shaheen Ansari *Subject:* Fwd: The future of 200
    Message 1 of 25 , Jun 30, 2010
      FYI


      From: Leena Prasad [mailto:leenadivansh@...]
      Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 08:22
      To: Shaheen Ansari
      Subject: Fwd: The future of 200 million Children

      will you post this on your group in response to a mail asking for suggestions on RTE  - and may be add our volunteer Archana on it as well - 

      ---------- Forwarded message ----------
      From: ARCHANA RAVI <archa1982@...>
      Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:08 PM
      Subject: Re: The future of 200 million Children
      To: Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@...>

       
      My suggestions are:
       
      1. All teachers' vacancies should be filled as soon as possible. All contract teachers should be replaced by permanent teachers.
       
      2. In schools where the student-teacher ratio is good, naturally the quality is better. Instead of having a school in every km, the rule should be a classroom for every 30 underprivileged children in the locality.
       
      3. The government should set up a department in each panchayat/municipality that would do quarter-yearly door-to-door surveys to determine the status of children in the society. This department will identify out-of-school children and dropouts.
       
      4. Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue. 
       
      5. The syllabus in all schools - CBSE, ICSE or state - should be unified. If members of all these boards participate in the making of the syllabus, the resultant syllabus will be good. Teachers may be used to rot learning techniques. They should be trained to do their jobs without rot learning. 
       
       
      There are more things that need to be done. Hygiene, for example, is invariably terrible in all schools. Then the training of teachers - the SET exam syllabus. I have no idea how to change anything here. But they should consult experts in education and train teachers for their job.
       
      I do not have the mail id to forward this to anyone. Can you do it for me? Also, should i ask others to participate?
       
      Regards
      archana 
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       


       
      On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@...> wrote:
      Hi

      Would you like to give five suggestions as requested in this mail ... Think it will be nice for you to participate in this discussion as a citizen with great exp on education of children ...

      Dear All,


      India has around 230 million children currently in age group 6-16. In the next decade, all these would cross 16 years of age, and reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossible.

      Of these, around 30 million would get a chance to study in reasonable to good to excellent quality schools, some in a few good Govt. schools, but mostly private fee charging schools, including those for upper income and elite groups.

      Remaining 200 odd million, if ASER and other such official and non-official reports are correct, would receive very poor quality education in the bulk of average government schools or low cost private schools. With RTE provisions and criterion coming in force, it would not be legally feasible for low cost private schools to exist as recognized schools, so the bulk of responsibility of educating these 200 million children will be of Government Schools.

      Most of us know, and agree, that average quality of education in most Government Schools is very bad, which means that 200 million of today's children will become adult without receiving a minimum quality school education, which will not only keep them poor and under-developed, but also lead to poor development of the country.

      The only solution is to significantly improve the quality of Government schools, with 3-5 years.

      I request and invite forum readers to give no more than 5 suggestions that would improve the quality of education in a time bound 3-5 years, so the improvements in learning levels of children can be measured in  concrete manner, by ASER or NCERT studies.

      I hope this exercise of sifting through various actionable ideas would not only show a way to move forward, it will also make "Improvements in Govt. Schools within 3-5 years', a declared and formal policy agenda of the Government.

      Pankaj Jain


      Pankaj
       

       





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      Cheers
      Leena




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      Creativity means to push open the heavy, groaning doorway to life… This is not an easy struggle. Indeed, it may be the most difficult task in the world, for opening the door to your own life is, in the end, more difficult than opening the doors to the mysteries of the universe.
                                                                   -Dr. Daisaku Ikeda



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      Cheers
      Leena




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      Dr. Shaheen Ansari
      Arkitect India
      C - 336 - ACD / 2 Z, Budha Vihar,(Opp. JNU Gate)
      Munirka,New Delhi- 110067

      http://educationatdoorsteps.blogspot.com
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arkitectindia/

    • B.K.Passi
      this is the most importatn and fundamental suggestion [ i agree with it totally] ________________________________ From: Shaheen Ansari
      Message 2 of 25 , Jul 1, 2010
        this is the most importatn and fundamental suggestion [ i agree with it totally]

        Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue.[through mother tongue]

        B.K.Passi

         




        From: Shaheen Ansari <ansarishaheen@...>
        To: arkitectindia <arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 11:51:48 AM
        Subject: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

         

        FYI


        From: Leena Prasad [mailto:leenadivansh@ gmail.com]
        Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 08:22
        To: Shaheen Ansari
        Subject: Fwd: The future of 200 million Children

        will you post this on your group in response to a mail asking for suggestions on RTE  - and may be add our volunteer Archana on it as well - 

        ---------- Forwarded message ----------
        From: ARCHANA RAVI <archa1982@gmail. com>
        Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:08 PM
        Subject: Re: The future of 200 million Children
        To: Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com>

         
        My suggestions are:
         
        1. All teachers' vacancies should be filled as soon as possible. All contract teachers should be replaced by permanent teachers.
         
        2. In schools where the student-teacher ratio is good, naturally the quality is better. Instead of having a school in every km, the rule should be a classroom for every 30 underprivileged children in the locality.
         
        3. The government should set up a department in each panchayat/municipal ity that would do quarter-yearly door-to-door surveys to determine the status of children in the society. This department will identify out-of-school children and dropouts.
         
        4. Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue. 
         
        5. The syllabus in all schools - CBSE, ICSE or state - should be unified. If members of all these boards participate in the making of the syllabus, the resultant syllabus will be good. Teachers may be used to rot learning techniques. They should be trained to do their jobs without rot learning. 
         
         
        There are more things that need to be done. Hygiene, for example, is  invariably terrible in all schools. Then the training of teachers - the SET exam syllabus. I have no idea how to change anything here. But they should consult experts in education and train teachers for their job.
         
        I do not have the mail id to forward this to anyone. Can you do it for me? Also, should i ask others to participate?
         
        Regards
        archana 
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         


         
        On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com> wrote:
        Hi

        Would you like to give five suggestions as requested in this mail ... Think it will be nice for you to participate in this discussion as a citizen with great exp on education of children ...

        Dear All,


        India has around 230 million children currently in age group 6-16. In the next decade, all these would cross 16 years of age, and reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossible.

        Of these, around 30 million would get a chance to study in reasonable to good to excellent quality schools, some in a few good Govt. schools, but mostly private fee charging schools, including those for upper income and elite groups.

        Remaining 200 odd million, if ASER and other such official and non-official reports are correct, would receive very poor quality education in the bulk of average government schools or low cost private schools. With RTE provisions and criterion coming in force, it would not be legally feasible for low cost private schools to exist as recognized schools, so the bulk of responsibility of educating these 200 million children will be of Government Schools.

        Most of us know, and agree, that average quality of education in most Government Schools is very bad, which means that 200 million of today's children will become adult without receiving a minimum quality school education, which will not only keep them poor and under-developed, but also lead to poor development of the country.

        The only solution is to significantly improve the quality of Government schools, with 3-5 years.

        I request and invite forum readers to give no more than 5 suggestions that would improve the quality of education in a time bound 3-5 years, so the improvements in learning levels of children can be measured in  concrete manner, by ASER or NCERT studies.

        I hope this exercise of sifting through various actionable ideas would not only show a way to move forward, it will also make "Improvements in Govt. Schools within 3-5 years', a declared and formal policy agenda of the Government.

        Pankaj Jain


        Pankaj
         

         





        --

        Cheers
        Leena




        --
        Creativity means to push open the heavy, groaning doorway to life… This is not an easy struggle. Indeed, it may be the most difficult task in the world, for opening the door to your own life is, in the end, more difficult than opening the doors to the mysteries of the universe.
                                                                     -Dr. Daisaku Ikeda



        --

        Cheers
        Leena




        --
        Dr. Shaheen Ansari
        Arkitect India
        C - 336 - ACD / 2 Z, Budha Vihar,(Opp. JNU Gate)
        Munirka,New Delhi- 110067

        http://educationatd oorsteps. blogspot. com
        http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/arkitectin dia/


      • Prof.Kalluri S.Rao
        Yes I would add that this must be done apto atleast 7th class. Other langauages can be taught but Hindi should not be imposed on children at the expense of
        Message 3 of 25 , Jul 2, 2010
          Yes I would add that this must be done apto atleast 7th class. Other langauages can be taught but Hindi should not be imposed on children at the expense of their mother tongue.
           
          The problem of India is language and caste
           
          KSRao


          Kalluri Subba Rao., Ph.D., D.Sc.(IISc),FAS-AP, FAMS., FNASc.,FNA.Hon.Professor & INSA-Senior Scientist,Center for Biotechnology, Institute of Science and Technology (IST) , Jawaharlal Nehru Technological University, Kukatpally, Hyderabad-500085. Email:ksrsl@...

          --- On Fri, 7/2/10, B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@...> wrote:

          From: B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@...>
          Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
          To: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 12:03 PM

           
          this is the most importatn and fundamental suggestion [ i agree with it totally]

          Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue.[through mother tongue]

          B.K.Passi

           




          From: Shaheen Ansari <ansarishaheen@ gmail.com>
          To: arkitectindia <arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com>
          Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 11:51:48 AM
          Subject: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

           
          FYI


          From: Leena Prasad [mailto:leenadivansh@ gmail.com]
          Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 08:22
          To: Shaheen Ansari
          Subject: Fwd: The future of 200 million Children

          will you post this on your group in response to a mail asking for suggestions on RTE  - and may be add our volunteer Archana on it as well - 

          ---------- Forwarded message ----------
          From: ARCHANA RAVI <archa1982@gmail. com>
          Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:08 PM
          Subject: Re: The future of 200 million Children
          To: Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com>

           
          My suggestions are:
           
          1. All teachers' vacancies should be filled as soon as possible. All contract teachers should be replaced by permanent teachers.
           
          2. In schools where the student-teacher ratio is good, naturally the quality is better. Instead of having a school in every km, the rule should be a classroom for every 30 underprivileged children in the locality.
           
          3. The government should set up a department in each panchayat/municipal ity that would do quarter-yearly door-to-door surveys to determine the status of children in the society. This department will identify out-of-school children and dropouts.
           
          4. Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue. 
           
          5. The syllabus in all schools - CBSE, ICSE or state - should be unified. If members of all these boards participate in the making of the syllabus, the resultant syllabus will be good. Teachers may be used to rot learning techniques. They should be trained to do their jobs without rot learning. 
           
           
          There are more things that need to be done. Hygiene, for example, is  invariably terrible in all schools. Then the training of teachers - the SET exam syllabus. I have no idea how to change anything here. But they should consult experts in education and train teachers for their job.
           
          I do not have the mail id to forward this to anyone. Can you do it for me? Also, should i ask others to participate?
           
          Regards
          archana 
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           


           
          On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com> wrote:
          Hi

          Would you like to give five suggestions as requested in this mail ... Think it will be nice for you to participate in this discussion as a citizen with great exp on education of children ...


          India has around 230 million children currently in age group 6-16. In the next decade, all these would cross 16 years of age, and reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossible.

          Of these, around 30 million would get a chance to study in reasonable to good to excellent quality schools, some in a few good Govt. schools, but mostly private fee charging schools, including those for upper income and elite groups.

          Remaining 200 odd million, if ASER and other such official and non-official reports are correct, would receive very poor quality education in the bulk of average government schools or low cost private schools. With RTE provisions and criterion coming in force, it would not be legally feasible for low cost private schools to exist as recognized schools, so the bulk of responsibility of educating these 200 million children will be of Government Schools.

          Most of us know, and agree, that average quality of education in most Government Schools is very bad, which means that 200 million of today's children will become adult without receiving a minimum quality school education, which will not only keep them poor and under-developed, but also lead to poor development of the country.

          The only solution is to significantly improve the quality of Government schools, with 3-5 years.

          I request and invite forum readers to give no more than 5 suggestions that would improve the quality of education in a time bound 3-5 years, so the improvements in learning levels of children can be measured in  concrete manner, by ASER or NCERT studies.

          I hope this exercise of sifting through various actionable ideas would not only show a way to move forward, it will also make "Improvements in Govt. Schools within 3-5 years', a declared and formal policy agenda of the Government.

          Pankaj Jain


          Pankaj
           

          Dear All,

           





          --

          Cheers
          Leena




          --
          Creativity means to push open the heavy, groaning doorway to life… This is not an easy struggle. Indeed, it may be the most difficult task in the world, for opening the door to your own life is, in the end, more difficult than opening the doors to the mysteries of the universe.
                                                                       -Dr. Daisaku Ikeda



          --

          Cheers
          Leena




          --
          Dr. Shaheen Ansari
          Arkitect India
          C - 336 - ACD / 2 Z, Budha Vihar,(Opp. JNU Gate)
          Munirka,New Delhi- 110067

          http://educationatd oorsteps. blogspot. com
          http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/arkitectin dia/



        • psn.1946
          Dear Prof Rao, I beg to disagree with your statement. Our languages are not problems. They are our proud heritage. Caste is our worst curse. Imposing English
          Message 4 of 25 , Jul 2, 2010
            Dear Prof Rao,
             
            I beg to disagree with your statement. Our languages are not problems. They are our proud heritage.
             
            Caste is our worst curse. Imposing English and Hindi is equally a curse.
             
            A Polish scholar who extensively toured our countryside decalared, "English is a Cross on Indian children". Definitely not our languages. 
             
            Sankara Narayanan

             
            On 7/2/10, Prof.Kalluri S.Rao <ksrsl@...> wrote:
             

            Yes I would add that this must be done apto atleast 7th class. Other langauages can be taught but Hindi should not be imposed on children at the expense of their mother tongue.
             
            The problem of India is language and caste
             
            KSRao


            Kalluri Subba Rao., Ph.D., D.Sc.(IISc),FAS-AP, FAMS., FNASc.,FNA.Hon.Professor & INSA-Senior Scientist,Center for Biotechnology, Institute of Science and Technology (IST) , Jawaharlal Nehru Technological University, Kukatpally, Hyderabad-500085. Email:ksrsl@...

            --- On Fri, 7/2/10, B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@...> wrote:
             

            From: B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@...>
            Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
            To: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com
            Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 12:03 PM


             
            this is the most importatn and fundamental suggestion [ i agree with it totally]

            Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue.[through mother tongue]

            B.K.Passi

             


             


            From: Shaheen Ansari <ansarishaheen@ gmail.com>
            To: arkitectindia <arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com>
            Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 11:51:48 AM
            Subject: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

             
            FYI


            From: Leena Prasad [mailto:leenadivansh@ gmail.com]
            Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 08:22
            To: Shaheen Ansari
            Subject: Fwd: The future of 200 million Children

             
            will you post this on your group in response to a mail asking for suggestions on RTE  - and may be add our volunteer Archana on it as well - 

            ---------- Forwarded message ----------
            From: ARCHANA RAVI <archa1982@gmail. com>
            Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:08 PM
            Subject: Re: The future of 200 million Children
            To: Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com>

             
            My suggestions are:
             
            1. All teachers' vacancies should be filled as soon as possible. All contract teachers should be replaced by permanent teachers.
             
            2. In schools where the student-teacher ratio is good, naturally the quality is better. Instead of having a school in every km, the rule should be a classroom for every 30 underprivileged children in the locality.
             
            3. The government should set up a department in each panchayat/municipal ity that would do quarter-yearly door-to-door surveys to determine the status of children in the society. This department will identify out-of-school children and dropouts.
             
            4. Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue. 
             
            5. The syllabus in all schools - CBSE, ICSE or state - should be unified. If members of all these boards participate in the making of the syllabus, the resultant syllabus will be good. Teachers may be used to rot learning techniques. They should be trained to do their jobs without rot learning. 
             
             
            There are more things that need to be done. Hygiene, for example, is  invariably terrible in all schools. Then the training of teachers - the SET exam syllabus. I have no idea how to change anything here. But they should consult experts in education and train teachers for their job.
             
            I do not have the mail id to forward this to anyone. Can you do it for me? Also, should i ask others to participate?
             
            Regards
            archana 
             
             
             
             
             
             
             
             
             
             
             
             
             


             
            On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com> wrote:
             
            Hi

             
            Would you like to give five suggestions as requested in this mail ... Think it will be nice for you to participate in this discussion as a citizen with great exp on education of children ...

            Dear All,


            India has around 230 million children currently in age group 6-16. In the next decade, all these would cross 16 years of age, and reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossible.

            Of these, around 30 million would get a chance to study in reasonable to good to excellent quality schools, some in a few good Govt. schools, but mostly private fee charging schools, including those for upper income and elite groups.

            Remaining 200 odd million, if ASER and other such official and non-official reports are correct, would receive very poor quality education in the bulk of average government schools or low cost private schools. With RTE provisions and criterion coming in force, it would not be legally feasible for low cost private schools to exist as recognized schools, so the bulk of responsibility of educating these 200 million children will be of Government Schools.

            Most of us know, and agree, that average quality of education in most Government Schools is very bad, which means that 200 million of today's children will become adult without receiving a minimum quality school education, which will not only keep them poor and under-developed, but also lead to poor development of the country.

            The only solution is to significantly improve the quality of Government schools, with 3-5 years.

            I request and invite forum readers to give no more than 5 suggestions that would improve the quality of education in a time bound 3-5 years, so the improvements in learning levels of children can be measured in  concrete manner, by ASER or NCERT studies.

            I hope this exercise of sifting through various actionable ideas would not only show a way to move forward, it will also make "Improvements in Govt. Schools within 3-5 years', a declared and formal policy agenda of the Government.

            Pankaj Jain


            Pankaj
             

             





            --

            Cheers
            Leena




            --
            Creativity means to push open the heavy, groaning doorway to life… This is not an easy struggle. Indeed, it may be the most difficult task in the world, for opening the door to your own life is, in the end, more difficult than opening the doors to the mysteries of the universe.
                                                                         -Dr. Daisaku Ikeda
             



            --

            Cheers
            Leena




            --
            Dr. Shaheen Ansari
            Arkitect India
            C - 336 - ACD / 2 Z, Budha Vihar,(Opp. JNU Gate)
            Munirka,New Delhi- 110067

            http://educationatd oorsteps. blogspot. com
            http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/arkitectin dia/




          • naaz khair
            Dear All, I have just returned from a long travel and eversince I have been mulling over this. I have read all the suggestions made so far. They are good. Yes,
            Message 5 of 25 , Jul 3, 2010
              Dear All,
               
              I have just returned from a long travel and eversince I have been mulling over this. I have read all the suggestions made so far. They are good.
               
              Yes, high time we worked with a sense of purpose and met a deadline of minimum good quality education for 200 million children by 2020. As Pankaj says this is all the time we have before these children today in the age-group of 6-16 years reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossible. 
               
              If we fail to meet this deadline, we violate the fundamental right to education of as many as 200 million children and counting. Add to it the far reaching consequences the Country will have to face on the development front!
               
              And, I hope, once a set of solutions is in sight, the media will play its part and prove itself for the children of India by actively tracking government pace and efforts to meet the dealine, just as it did for Delhi in case of the Common Wealth Games.
               
              Now getting to the point, I humbly submit the following as the way to go in the next 3-5 years:
               
              1. Put a cap on teacher transfers- a minimum of so many per state and no more. Transfers to be approved by the Chief Minister. The CMO to monitor teacher absenteeism and teacher punctuality, empowering SMC and Panchayat sub-committee on education for the purpose.
               
              2. Give the same management autonomy as Kendriya Vidyalaya to the regular government schools.
               
              3. Prestigious awards for best teacher in a cluster (CRC),  best school, best SMC, best Panchayat, best block, best district and best state!
               
              4. Plumbers (like electricity linesmen) to ensure proper working of drinking water facility in schools at all times. A sweeper per school to keep school premises and toilets clean. SMC to ensure consumables needed for maintenance and use are provided in case of both drinking water and toilets.
               
               5. A children's group (a group for children that is their own i.e. one which is not formed and led by teachers but facilitated by them) in each school to discuss and share a range of issues affecting them within and outside the school. Regular formal opportunities  for children through this group to present proposals to SMC and the government for implementation.
               
              6. Education and related departments to ensure school facilities as mandated by the RTE is in place immediately - school library, computer room, playground etc.
               
              Thank you and regards,
               
              Naaz
               
               
              On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Prof.Kalluri S.Rao <ksrsl@...> wrote:
               

              Yes I would add that this must be done apto atleast 7th class. Other langauages can be taught but Hindi should not be imposed on children at the expense of their mother tongue.
               
              The problem of India is language and caste
               
              KSRao


              Kalluri Subba Rao., Ph.D., D.Sc.(IISc),FAS-AP, FAMS., FNASc.,FNA.Hon.Professor & INSA-Senior Scientist,Center for Biotechnology, Institute of Science and Technology (IST) , Jawaharlal Nehru Technological University, Kukatpally, Hyderabad-500085. Email:ksrsl@...

              --- On Fri, 7/2/10, B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@...> wrote:

              From: B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@...>
              Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
              To: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com
              Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 12:03 PM


               
              this is the most importatn and fundamental suggestion [ i agree with it totally]

              Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue.[through mother tongue]

              B.K.Passi

               




              From: Shaheen Ansari <ansarishaheen@ gmail.com>
              To: arkitectindia <arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com>
              Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 11:51:48 AM
              Subject: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

               
              FYI


              From: Leena Prasad [mailto:leenadivansh@ gmail.com]
              Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 08:22
              To: Shaheen Ansari
              Subject: Fwd: The future of 200 million Children

              will you post this on your group in response to a mail asking for suggestions on RTE  - and may be add our volunteer Archana on it as well - 

              ---------- Forwarded message ----------
              From: ARCHANA RAVI <archa1982@gmail. com>
              Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:08 PM
              Subject: Re: The future of 200 million Children
              To: Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com>

               
              My suggestions are:
               
              1. All teachers' vacancies should be filled as soon as possible. All contract teachers should be replaced by permanent teachers.
               
              2. In schools where the student-teacher ratio is good, naturally the quality is better. Instead of having a school in every km, the rule should be a classroom for every 30 underprivileged children in the locality.
               
              3. The government should set up a department in each panchayat/municipal ity that would do quarter-yearly door-to-door surveys to determine the status of children in the society. This department will identify out-of-school children and dropouts.
               
              4. Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue. 
               
              5. The syllabus in all schools - CBSE, ICSE or state - should be unified. If members of all these boards participate in the making of the syllabus, the resultant syllabus will be good. Teachers may be used to rot learning techniques. They should be trained to do their jobs without rot learning. 
               
               
              There are more things that need to be done. Hygiene, for example, is  invariably terrible in all schools. Then the training of teachers - the SET exam syllabus. I have no idea how to change anything here. But they should consult experts in education and train teachers for their job.
               
              I do not have the mail id to forward this to anyone. Can you do it for me? Also, should i ask others to participate?
               
              Regards
              archana 
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               


               
              On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com> wrote:
              Hi

              Would you like to give five suggestions as requested in this mail ... Think it will be nice for you to participate in this discussion as a citizen with great exp on education of children ...

              Dear All,


              India has around 230 million children currently in age group 6-16. In the next decade, all these would cross 16 years of age, and reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossible.

              Of these, around 30 million would get a chance to study in reasonable to good to excellent quality schools, some in a few good Govt. schools, but mostly private fee charging schools, including those for upper income and elite groups.

              Remaining 200 odd million, if ASER and other such official and non-official reports are correct, would receive very poor quality education in the bulk of average government schools or low cost private schools. With RTE provisions and criterion coming in force, it would not be legally feasible for low cost private schools to exist as recognized schools, so the bulk of responsibility of educating these 200 million children will be of Government Schools.

              Most of us know, and agree, that average quality of education in most Government Schools is very bad, which means that 200 million of today's children will become adult without receiving a minimum quality school education, which will not only keep them poor and under-developed, but also lead to poor development of the country.

              The only solution is to significantly improve the quality of Government schools, with 3-5 years.

              I request and invite forum readers to give no more than 5 suggestions that would improve the quality of education in a time bound 3-5 years, so the improvements in learning levels of children can be measured in  concrete manner, by ASER or NCERT studies.

              I hope this exercise of sifting through various actionable ideas would not only show a way to move forward, it will also make "Improvements in Govt. Schools within 3-5 years', a declared and formal policy agenda of the Government.

              Pankaj Jain


              Pankaj
               

               





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              Cheers
              Leena




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              Arkitect India
              C - 336 - ACD / 2 Z, Budha Vihar,(Opp. JNU Gate)
              Munirka,New Delhi- 110067

              http://educationatd oorsteps. blogspot. com
              http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/arkitectin dia/






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            • Pankaj Jain
              Sir/ Madam, Most suggestions made for improving quality are good and in the right direction, but I am afraid that most of these may/ will not produce results
              Message 6 of 25 , Jul 4, 2010
                Sir/ Madam,

                Most suggestions made for improving quality are good and in the right direction, but I am afraid that most of these may/ will not produce results in a time bound manner, so we shall keep loosing the future of those who keep crossing schooling threshold.

                May be, a policy that links, say 5-10%, of budget to 'learning outcome', will have higher chance of success. When faced with the choice of not having money in the absence of success, mind and body will really concentrate to get the results. It simply means that a section will have to be set up in each State Government's education department to handle 5-10% of education budget that can be spent only when assured gains in children's learning takes place, assessed by an independent agency appointed by the Government. 

                Pankaj Jain
                 

                --- On Sat, 7/3/10, naaz khair <naazkhair@...> wrote:

                From: naaz khair <naazkhair@...>
                Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                To: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com
                Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 1:56 PM

                 

                Dear All,
                 
                I have just returned from a long travel and eversince I have been mulling over this. I have read all the suggestions made so far. They are good.
                 
                Yes, high time we worked with a sense of purpose and met a deadline of minimum good quality education for 200 million children by 2020. As Pankaj says this is all the time we have before these children today in the age-group of 6-16 years reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossib le. 
                 
                If we fail to meet this deadline, we violate the fundamental right to education of as many as 200 million children and counting. Add to it the far reaching consequences the Country will have to face on the development front!
                 
                And, I hope, once a set of solutions is in sight, the media will play its part and prove itself for the children of India by actively tracking government pace and efforts to meet the dealine, just as it did for Delhi in case of the Common Wealth Games.
                 
                Now getting to the point, I humbly submit the following as the way to go in the next 3-5 years:
                 
                1. Put a cap on teacher transfers- a minimum of so many per state and no more. Transfers to be approved by the Chief Minister. The CMO to monitor teacher absenteeism and teacher punctuality, empowering SMC and Panchayat sub-committee on education for the purpose.
                 
                2. Give the same management autonomy as Kendriya Vidyalaya to the regular government schools.
                 
                3. Prestigious awards for best teacher in a cluster (CRC),  best school, best SMC, best Panchayat, best block, best district and best state!
                 
                4. Plumbers (like electricity linesmen ) to ensure proper working of drinking water facility in schools at all times. A sweeper per school to keep school premises and toilets clean. SMC to ensure consumables needed for maintenance and use are provided in case of both drinking water and toilets.
                 
                 5. A children's group (a group for children that is their own i.e. one which is not formed and led by teachers but facilitated by them) in each school to discuss and share a range of issues affecting them within and outside the school. Regular formal opportunities  for children through this group to present proposals to SMC and the government for implementation.
                 
                6. Education and related departments to ensure school facilities as mandated by the RTE is in place immediately - school library, computer room, playground etc.
                 
                Thank you and regards,
                 
                Naaz
                 
                 
                On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Prof.Kalluri S.Rao <ksrsl@yahoo. com> wrote:
                 

                Yes I would add that this must be done apto atleast 7th class. Other langauages can be taught but Hindi should not be imposed on children at the expense of their mother tongue.
                 
                The problem of India is language and caste
                 
                KSRao


                Kalluri Subba Rao., Ph.D., D.Sc.(IISc), FAS-AP, FAMS., FNASc.,FNA.Hon. Professor & INSA-Senior Scientist,Center for Biotechnology, Institute of Science and Technology (IST) , Jawaharlal Nehru Technological University, Kukatpally, Hyderabad-500085. Email:ksrsl@ yahoo.com

                --- On Fri, 7/2/10, B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com> wrote:

                From: B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com>
                Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 12:03 PM


                 
                this is the most importatn and fundamental suggestion [ i agree with it totally]

                Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue.[through mother tongue]

                B.K.Passi

                 




                From: Shaheen Ansari <ansarishaheen@ gmail.com>
                To: arkitectindia <arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com>
                Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 11:51:48 AM
                Subject: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                 
                FYI


                From: Leena Prasad [mailto:leenadivansh@ gmail.com]
                Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 08:22
                To: Shaheen Ansari
                Subject: Fwd: The future of 200 million Children

                will you post this on your group in response to a mail asking for suggestions on RTE  - and may be add our volunteer Archana on it as well - 

                ---------- Forwarded message ----------
                From: ARCHANA RAVI <archa1982@gmail. com>
                Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:08 PM
                Subject: Re: The future of 200 million Children
                To: Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com>

                 
                My suggestions are:
                 
                1. All teachers' vacancies should be filled as soon as possible. All contract teachers should be replaced by permanent teachers.
                 
                2. In schools where the student-teacher ratio is good, naturally the quality is better. Instead of having a school in every km, the rule should be a classroom for every 30 underprivileged children in the locality.
                 
                3. The government should set up a department in each panchayat/municipal ity that would do quarter-yearly door-to-door surveys to determine the status of children in the society. This department will identify out-of-school children and dropouts.
                 
                4. Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue. 
                 
                5. The syllabus in all schools - CBSE, ICSE or state - should be unified. If members of all these boards participate in the making of the syllabus, the resultant syllabus will be good. Teachers may be used to rot learning techniques. They should be trained to do their jobs without rot learning. 
                 
                 
                There are more things that need to be done. Hygiene, for example, is  invariably terrible in all schools. Then the training of teachers - the SET exam syllabus. I have no idea how to change anything here. But they should consult experts in education and train teachers for their job.
                 
                I do not have the mail id to forward this to anyone. Can you do it for me? Also, should i ask others to participate?
                 
                Regards
                archana 
                 
                 
                 
                 
                 
                 
                 
                 
                 
                 
                 
                 
                 


                 
                On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com> wrote:
                Hi

                Would you like to give five suggestions as requested in this mail ... Think it will be nice for you to participate in this discussion as a citizen with great exp on education of children ...

                Dear All,


                India has around 230 million children currently in age group 6-16. In the next decade, all these would cross 16 years of age, and reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossible.

                Of these, around 30 million would get a chance to study in reasonable to good to excellent quality schools, some in a few good Govt. schools, but mostly private fee charging schools, including those for upper income and elite groups.

                Remaining 200 odd million, if ASER and other such official and non-official reports are correct, would receive very poor quality education in the bulk of average government schools or low cost private schools. With RTE provisions and criterion coming in force, it would not be legally feasible for low cost private schools to exist as recognized schools, so the bulk of responsibility of educating these 200 million children will be of Government Schools.

                Most of us know, and agree, that average quality of education in most Government Schools is very bad, which means that 200 million of today's children will become adult without receiving a minimum quality school education, which will not only keep them poor and under-developed, but also lead to poor development of the country.

                The only solution is to significantly improve the quality of Government schools, with 3-5 years.

                I request and invite forum readers to give no more than 5 suggestions that would improve the quality of education in a time bound 3-5 years, so the improvements in learning levels of children can be measured in  concrete manner, by ASER or NCERT studies.

                I hope this exercise of sifting through various actionable ideas would not only show a way to move forward, it will also make "Improvements in Govt. Schools within 3-5 years', a declared and formal policy agenda of the Government.

                Pankaj Jain


                Pankaj
                 

                 





                --

                Cheers
                Leena




                --
                Creativity means to push open the heavy, groaning doorway to life… This is not an easy struggle. Indeed, it may be the most difficult task in the world, for opening the door to your own life is, in the end, more difficult than opening the doors to the mysteries of the universe.
                                                                             -Dr. Daisaku Ikeda



                --

                Cheers
                Leena




                --
                Dr. Shaheen Ansari
                Arkitect India
                C - 336 - ACD / 2 Z, Budha Vihar,(Opp. JNU Gate)
                Munirka,New Delhi- 110067

                http://educationatd oorsteps. blogspot. com
                http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/arkitectin dia/






                --
                Naaz Khair

              • Narotra, PS DIT
                Dear Sir, I agree in toto with Mr. Sankara Narayanan that caste is our worst curse - a virus for which there is no medicine and prescription. In the morning
                Message 7 of 25 , Jul 4, 2010
                  Dear Sir,
                   
                  I agree in toto with Mr. Sankara Narayanan that caste is our worst curse - a virus for which there is no medicine and prescription. In the morning when you switch on the TV you find great Pandits teaching: feed a dog, give milk to a cat and to a snake, throw oil somewhere, wear this or that color outside and a different inside .... are the ones responsible for such a mess in this country. 
                   
                  You may soon see some articles written by me on this subject in some news papers. We are sick minded people and are breeding sickness of the highest order in the minds of our generations and we call them as future of this country. Today, Bharat Mata is in tears when she is seeing the phenomenon of 'Honor Killings' which is solely driven by casteism and communalisation of the socieities. Who is responsible for all this? A question to be answered by over 1 Billion people of this country.
                   
                  My regards
                   
                  P.S.NAROTRA

                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: "psn.1946" <psn.1946@...>
                  Date: Monday, July 5, 2010 10:14 am
                  Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                  To: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com
                  Cc: ksrsl@...

                   

                  Dear Prof Rao,
                   
                  I beg to disagree with your statement. Our languages are not problems. They are our proud heritage.
                   
                  Caste is our worst curse. Imposing English and Hindi is equally a curse.
                   
                  A Polish scholar who extensively toured our countryside decalared, "English is a Cross on Indian children". Definitely not our languages. 
                   
                  Sankara Narayanan

                   
                  On 7/2/10, Prof.Kalluri S.Rao <ksrsl@yahoo. com> wrote:
                   

                  Yes I would add that this must be done apto atleast 7th class. Other langauages can be taught but Hindi should not be imposed on children at the expense of their mother tongue.
                   
                  The problem of India is language and caste
                   
                  KSRao


                  Kalluri Subba Rao., Ph.D., D.Sc.(IISc), FAS-AP, FAMS., FNASc.,FNA.Hon. Professor & INSA-Senior Scientist,Center for Biotechnology, Institute of Science and Technology (IST) , Jawaharlal Nehru Technological University, Kukatpally, Hyderabad-500085. Email:ksrsl@ yahoo.com

                  --- On Fri, 7/2/10, B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com> wrote:
                   

                  From: B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com>
                  Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                  To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                  Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 12:03 PM


                   
                  this is the most importatn and fundamental suggestion [ i agree with it totally]

                  Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue.[through mother tongue]

                  B.K.Passi

                   


                   


                  From: Shaheen Ansari <ansarishaheen@ gmail.com>
                  To: arkitectindia <arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com>
                  Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 11:51:48 AM
                  Subject: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                   
                  FYI


                  From: Leena Prasad [mailto:leenadivansh@ gmail.com]
                  Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 08:22
                  To: Shaheen Ansari
                  Subject: Fwd: The future of 200 million Children

                   
                  will you post this on your group in response to a mail asking for suggestions on RTE  - and may be add our volunteer Archana on it as well - 

                  ---------- Forwarded message ----------
                  From: ARCHANA RAVI <archa1982@gmail. com>
                  Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:08 PM
                  Subject: Re: The future of 200 million Children
                  To: Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com>

                   
                  My suggestions are:
                   
                  1. All teachers' vacancies should be filled as soon as possible. All contract teachers should be replaced by permanent teachers.
                   
                  2. In schools where the student-teacher ratio is good, naturally the quality is better. Instead of having a school in every km, the rule should be a classroom for every 30 underprivileged children in the locality.
                   
                  3. The government should set up a department in each panchayat/municipal ity that would do quarter-yearly door-to-door surveys to determine the status of children in the society. This department will identify out-of-school children and dropouts.
                   
                  4. Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue. 
                   
                  5. The syllabus in all schools - CBSE, ICSE or state - should be unified. If members of all these boards participate in the making of the syllabus, the resultant syllabus will be good. Teachers may be used to rot learning techniques. They should be trained to do their jobs without rot learning. 
                   
                   
                  There are more things that need to be done. Hygiene, for example, is  invariably terrible in all schools. Then the training of teachers - the SET exam syllabus. I have no idea how to change anything here. But they should consult experts in education and train teachers for their job.
                   
                  I do not have the mail id to forward this to anyone. Can you do it for me? Also, should i ask others to participate?
                   
                  Regards
                  archana 
                   
                   
                   
                   
                   
                   
                   
                   
                   
                   
                   
                   
                   


                   
                  On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com> wrote:
                   
                  Hi

                   
                  Would you like to give five suggestions as requested in this mail ... Think it will be nice for you to participate in this discussion as a citizen with great exp on education of children ...

                  Dear All,


                  India has around 230 million children currently in age group 6-16. In the next decade, all these would cross 16 years of age, and reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossible.

                  Of these, around 30 million would get a chance to study in reasonable to good to excellent quality schools, some in a few good Govt. schools, but mostly private fee charging schools, including those for upper income and elite groups.

                  Remaining 200 odd million, if ASER and other such official and non-official reports are correct, would receive very poor quality education in the bulk of average government schools or low cost private schools. With RTE provisions and criterion coming in force, it would not be legally feasible for low cost private schools to exist as recognized schools, so the bulk of responsibility of educating these 200 million children will be of Government Schools.

                  Most of us know, and agree, that average quality of education in most Government Schools is very bad, which means that 200 million of today's children will become adult without receiving a minimum quality school education, which will not only keep them poor and under-developed, but also lead to poor development of the country.

                  The only solution is to significantly improve the quality of Government schools, with 3-5 years.

                  I request and invite forum readers to give no more than 5 suggestions that would improve the quality of education in a time bound 3-5 years, so the improvements in learning levels of children can be measured in  concrete manner, by ASER or NCERT studies.

                  I hope this exercise of sifting through various actionable ideas would not only show a way to move forward, it will also make "Improvements in Govt. Schools within 3-5 years', a declared and formal policy agenda of the Government.

                  Pankaj Jain


                  Pankaj
                   

                   





                  --

                  Cheers
                  Leena




                  --
                  Creativity means to push open the heavy, groaning doorway to life… This is not an easy struggle. Indeed, it may be the most difficult task in the world, for opening the door to your own life is, in the end, more difficult than opening the doors to the mysteries of the universe.
                                                                               -Dr. Daisaku Ikeda
                   



                  --

                  Cheers
                  Leena




                  --
                  Dr. Shaheen Ansari
                  Arkitect India
                  C - 336 - ACD / 2 Z, Budha Vihar,(Opp. JNU Gate)
                  Munirka,New Delhi- 110067

                  http://educationatd oorsteps. blogspot. com
                  http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/arkitectin dia/




                • Anjela Taneja
                  Dear Pankaj, I am unable to understand the rationale of asking others for suggestions, when you proceed to ignore everything others suggest. However, since you
                  Message 8 of 25 , Jul 4, 2010

                    Dear Pankaj,

                     

                    I am unable to understand the rationale of asking others for suggestions, when you proceed to ignore everything others suggest.  However, since you seem to have an idea of investing a tenth of the budget on “learning outcomes” measured by “standardized testing”, it would be useful to understand what sort of activities would you intend those to be- that is apart from the hiring of trained teachers, strengthening teacher training, strengthening decentralization and accountability mechanisms and ensuring availability of learning materials (and overall school infrastructure) in the classroom. All of these have been suggested by multiple posters on this forum and have been rejected by you as inadequate and/or impractical.

                     

                    However, while you go on to describe your agenda, a quick comment on the use of standardized testing to measure quality. It is arguably the most highly opposed policy in the west (googling for costs of high stakes testing gives 120,000 hits in 0.17 seconds). These include, discrimination against schools with minority (read dalit) populations (which would start with lower test scores), discrimination against minority (read dalit and adivasi) pupils who potentially may pull the school result down, promotion of cheating and corruption (to ensure that the result is maintained), pulling precious resources from teaching (which improves performance) to testing (which only measures it), and has negative impact on the child’s morale (having low performance drilled into you every time), impacting the ability of teachers to innovate (since they have to teach for the “test”) and has converted the process of education into merely achieving marketable basic competencies (in contrast to holistic child development). Thing is, apart from all this- it is also questionable if the learning levels are actually improving across the board. Consequently, it would be essential to take the current enthusiasm about “testing”, “outcomes” and other related issues with a pinch of salt learning from the countries where this practice was started first.

                    Anjela R V Taneja
                    Program Officer, Education Theme,
                    ActionAid India Country Office
                    Mobile: 09958087043


                    From: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pankaj Jain
                    Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 7:09 AM
                    To: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                     

                     

                    Sir/ Madam,

                    Most suggestions made for improving quality are good and in the right direction, but I am afraid that most of these may/ will not produce results in a time bound manner, so we shall keep loosing the future of those who keep crossing schooling threshold.

                    May be, a policy that links, say 5-10%, of budget to 'learning outcome', will have higher chance of success. When faced with the choice of not having money in the absence of success, mind and body will really concentrate to get the results. It simply means that a section will have to be set up in each State Government's education department to handle 5-10% of education budget that can be spent only when assured gains in children's learning takes place, assessed by an independent agency appointed by the Government. 

                    Pankaj Jain
                     

                    --- On Sat, 7/3/10, naaz khair <naazkhair@gmail. com> wrote:


                    From: naaz khair <naazkhair@gmail. com>
                    Subject: Re: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                    To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                    Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 1:56 PM

                     

                    Dear All,

                     

                    I have just returned from a long travel and eversince I have been mulling over this. I have read all the suggestions made so far. They are good.

                     

                    Yes, high time we worked with a sense of purpose and met a deadline of minimum good quality education for 200 million children by 2020. As Pankaj says this is all the time we have before these children today in the age-group of 6-16 years reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossib le. 

                     

                    If we fail to meet this deadline, we violate the fundamental right to education of as many as 200 million children and counting. Add to it the far reaching consequences the Country will have to face on the development front!

                     

                    And, I hope, once a set of solutions is in sight, the media will play its part and prove itself for the children of India by actively tracking government pace and efforts to meet the dealine, just as it did for Delhi in case of the Common Wealth Games.

                     

                    Now getting to the point, I humbly submit the following as the way to go in the next 3-5 years:

                     

                    1. Put a cap on teacher transfers- a minimum of so many per state and no more. Transfers to be approved by the Chief Minister. The CMO to monitor teacher absenteeism and teacher punctuality, empowering SMC and Panchayat sub-committee on education for the purpose.

                     

                    2. Give the same management autonomy as Kendriya Vidyalaya to the regular government schools.

                     

                    3. Prestigious awards for best teacher in a cluster (CRC),  best school, best SMC, best Panchayat, best block, best district and best state!

                     

                    4. Plumbers (like electricity linesmen ) to ensure proper working of drinking water facility in schools at all times. A sweeper per school to keep school premises and toilets clean. SMC to ensure consumables needed for maintenance and use are provided in case of both drinking water and toilets.

                     

                     5. A children's group (a group for children that is their own i.e. one which is not formed and led by teachers but facilitated by them) in each school to discuss and share a range of issues affecting them within and outside the school. Regular formal opportunities  for children through this group to present proposals to SMC and the government for implementation.

                     

                    6. Education and related departments to ensure school facilities as mandated by the RTE is in place immediately - school library, computer room, playground etc.

                     

                    Thank you and regards,

                     

                    Naaz

                     

                     

                    On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Prof.Kalluri S.Rao <ksrsl@yahoo. com> wrote:

                     

                    Yes I would add that this must be done apto atleast 7th class. Other langauages can be taught but Hindi should not be imposed on children at the expense of their mother tongue.

                     

                    The problem of India is language and caste

                     

                    KSRao



                    Kalluri Subba Rao., Ph.D., D.Sc.(IISc), FAS-AP, FAMS., FNASc.,FNA.Hon. Professor & INSA-Senior Scientist,Center for Biotechnology, Institute of Science and Technology (IST) , Jawaharlal Nehru Technological University, Kukatpally, Hyderabad-500085. Email:ksrsl@ yahoo.com

                    --- On Fri, 7/2/10, B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com> wrote:


                    From: B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com>
                    Subject: Re: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                    To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                    Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 12:03 PM

                     

                     

                    this is the most importatn and fundamental suggestion [ i agree with it totally]

                    Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue.[through mother tongue]

                    B.K.Passi

                     

                     

                     


                    From: Shaheen Ansari <ansarishaheen@ gmail.com>
                    To: arkitectindia <arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com>
                    Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 11:51:48 AM
                    Subject: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                     

                    FYI

                     


                    From: Leena Prasad [mailto:leenadivansh@ gmail.com]
                    Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 08:22
                    To: Shaheen Ansari
                    Subject: Fwd: The future of 200 million Children

                    will you post this on your group in response to a mail asking for suggestions on RTE  - and may be add our volunteer Archana on it as well - 

                    ---------- Forwarded message ----------
                    From: ARCHANA RAVI <archa1982@gmail. com>
                    Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:08 PM
                    Subject: Re: The future of 200 million Children
                    To: Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com>

                     

                    My suggestions are:

                     

                    1. All teachers' vacancies should be filled as soon as possible. All contract teachers should be replaced by permanent teachers.

                     

                    2. In schools where the student-teacher ratio is good, naturally the quality is better. Instead of having a school in every km, the rule should be a classroom for every 30 underprivileged children in the locality.

                     

                    3. The government should set up a department in each panchayat/municipal ity that would do quarter-yearly door-to-door surveys to determine the status of children in the society. This department will identify out-of-school children and dropouts.

                     

                    4. Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue. 

                     

                    5. The syllabus in all schools - CBSE, ICSE or state - should be unified. If members of all these boards participate in the making of the syllabus, the resultant syllabus will be good. Teachers may be used to rot learning techniques. They should be trained to do their jobs without rot learning. 

                     

                     

                    There are more things that need to be done. Hygiene, for example, is  invariably terrible in all schools. Then the training of teachers - the SET exam syllabus. I have no idea how to change anything here. But they should consult experts in education and train teachers for their job.

                     

                    I do not have the mail id to forward this to anyone. Can you do it for me? Also, should i ask others to participate?

                     

                    Regards

                    archana 

                     

                     

                     

                     

                     

                     

                     

                     

                     

                     

                     

                     

                     



                     

                    On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com> wrote:

                    Hi

                     

                    Would you like to give five suggestions as requested in this mail ... Think it will be nice for you to participate in this discussion as a citizen with great exp on education of children ...

                    Dear All,


                    India has around 230 million children currently in age group 6-16. In the next decade, all these would cross 16 years of age, and reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossible.

                    Of these, around 30 million would get a chance to study in reasonable to good to excellent quality schools, some in a few good Govt. schools, but mostly private fee charging schools, including those for upper income and elite groups.

                    Remaining 200 odd million, if ASER and other such official and non-official reports are correct, would receive very poor quality education in the bulk of average government schools or low cost private schools. With RTE provisions and criterion coming in force, it would not be legally feasible for low cost private schools to exist as recognized schools, so the bulk of responsibility of educating these 200 million children will be of Government Schools.

                    Most of us know, and agree, that average quality of education in most Government Schools is very bad, which means that 200 million of today's children will become adult without receiving a minimum quality school education, which will not only keep them poor and under-developed, but also lead to poor development of the country.

                    The only solution is to significantly improve the quality of Government schools, with 3-5 years.

                    I request and invite forum readers to give no more than 5 suggestions that would improve the quality of education in a time bound 3-5 years, so the improvements in learning levels of children can be measured in  concrete manner, by ASER or NCERT studies.

                    I hope this exercise of sifting through various actionable ideas would not only show a way to move forward, it will also make "Improvements in Govt. Schools within 3-5 years', a declared and formal policy agenda of the Government.

                    Pankaj Jain


                    Pankaj
                     

                     





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                  • psn.1946
                    Quote: Assessed by an independent agency appointed by the Government . Unquote: Sure way to kill the issue. Why the govt and its independent [?] agency? We
                    Message 9 of 25 , Jul 5, 2010
                      Quote:  "Assessed by an independent agency appointed by the Government". 
                       
                      Unquote: Sure way to kill the issue. Why the govt and its independent [?] agency?
                      We know how the govt selects the agencies.
                       
                      PRI and civil society are not competent to verify the performance of schools in their locality!
                       
                      British were telling us that we were incompetent to rule ourselves. Now educated pundits tell us
                      that the centralised govt, its corrupt bureaucracy and the 'independent' agencies [all the three are sucking aliens]
                      only know what is good for the people.
                       
                       Lesser the govt and bureaucracy and least of the alien parasitical experts will ensure better life for the people.
                       
                      Sankaran

                       
                      On 7/5/10, Pankaj Jain <pjain2002@...> wrote:
                       

                      Sir/ Madam,

                      Most suggestions made for improving quality are good and in the right direction, but I am afraid that most of these may/ will not produce results in a time bound manner, so we shall keep loosing the future of those who keep crossing schooling threshold.

                      May be, a policy that links, say 5-10%, of budget to 'learning outcome', will have higher chance of success. When faced with the choice of not having money in the absence of success, mind and body will really concentrate to get the results. It simply means that a section will have to be set up in each State Government's education department to handle 5-10% of education budget that can be spent only when assured gains in children's learning takes place, assessed by an independent agency appointed by the Government. 

                      Pankaj Jain
                       

                      --- On Sat, 7/3/10, naaz khair <naazkhair@...> wrote:

                      From: naaz khair <naazkhair@...>
                      Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                      To: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com
                      Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 1:56 PM


                       

                      Dear All,
                       
                      I have just returned from a long travel and eversince I have been mulling over this. I have read all the suggestions made so far. They are good.
                       
                      Yes, high time we worked with a sense of purpose and met a deadline of minimum good quality education for 200 million children by 2020. As Pankaj says this is all the time we have before these children today in the age-group of 6-16 years reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossib le. 
                       
                      If we fail to meet this deadline, we violate the fundamental right to education of as many as 200 million children and counting. Add to it the far reaching consequences the Country will have to face on the development front!
                       
                      And, I hope, once a set of solutions is in sight, the media will play its part and prove itself for the children of India by actively tracking government pace and efforts to meet the dealine, just as it did for Delhi in case of the Common Wealth Games.
                       
                      Now getting to the point, I humbly submit the following as the way to go in the next 3-5 years:
                       
                      1. Put a cap on teacher transfers- a minimum of so many per state and no more. Transfers to be approved by the Chief Minister. The CMO to monitor teacher absenteeism and teacher punctuality, empowering SMC and Panchayat sub-committee on education for the purpose.
                       
                      2. Give the same management autonomy as Kendriya Vidyalaya to the regular government schools.
                       
                      3. Prestigious awards for best teacher in a cluster (CRC),  best school, best SMC, best Panchayat, best block, best district and best state!
                       
                      4. Plumbers (like electricity linesmen ) to ensure proper working of drinking water facility in schools at all times. A sweeper per school to keep school premises and toilets clean. SMC to ensure consumables needed for maintenance and use are provided in case of both drinking water and toilets.
                       
                       5. A children's group (a group for children that is their own i.e. one which is not formed and led by teachers but facilitated by them) in each school to discuss and share a range of issues affecting them within and outside the school. Regular formal opportunities  for children through this group to present proposals to SMC and the government for implementation.
                       
                      6. Education and related departments to ensure school facilities as mandated by the RTE is in place immediately - school library, computer room, playground etc.
                       
                      Thank you and regards,
                       
                      Naaz
                       
                       
                      On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Prof.Kalluri S.Rao <ksrsl@yahoo. com> wrote:
                       

                      Yes I would add that this must be done apto atleast 7th class. Other langauages can be taught but Hindi should not be imposed on children at the expense of their mother tongue.
                       
                      The problem of India is language and caste
                       
                      KSRao


                      Kalluri Subba Rao., Ph.D., D.Sc.(IISc), FAS-AP, FAMS., FNASc.,FNA.Hon. Professor & INSA-Senior Scientist,Center for Biotechnology, Institute of Science and Technology (IST) , Jawaharlal Nehru Technological University, Kukatpally, Hyderabad-500085. Email:ksrsl@ yahoo.com

                      --- On Fri, 7/2/10, B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com> wrote:
                       

                      From: B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com>
                      Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                      To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                      Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 12:03 PM


                       
                      this is the most importatn and fundamental suggestion [ i agree with it totally]

                      Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue.[through mother tongue]

                      B.K.Passi

                       


                       


                      From: Shaheen Ansari <ansarishaheen@ gmail.com>
                      To: arkitectindia <arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com>
                      Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 11:51:48 AM
                      Subject: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                       
                      FYI


                      From: Leena Prasad [mailto:leenadivansh@ gmail.com]
                      Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 08:22
                      To: Shaheen Ansari
                      Subject: Fwd: The future of 200 million Children

                       
                      will you post this on your group in response to a mail asking for suggestions on RTE  - and may be add our volunteer Archana on it as well - 

                      ---------- Forwarded message ----------
                      From: ARCHANA RAVI <archa1982@gmail. com>
                      Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:08 PM
                      Subject: Re: The future of 200 million Children
                      To: Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com>

                       
                      My suggestions are:
                       
                      1. All teachers' vacancies should be filled as soon as possible. All contract teachers should be replaced by permanent teachers.
                       
                      2. In schools where the student-teacher ratio is good, naturally the quality is better. Instead of having a school in every km, the rule should be a classroom for every 30 underprivileged children in the locality.
                       
                      3. The government should set up a department in each panchayat/municipal ity that would do quarter-yearly door-to-door surveys to determine the status of children in the society. This department will identify out-of-school children and dropouts.
                       
                      4. Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue. 
                       
                      5. The syllabus in all schools - CBSE, ICSE or state - should be unified. If members of all these boards participate in the making of the syllabus, the resultant syllabus will be good. Teachers may be used to rot learning techniques. They should be trained to do their jobs without rot learning. 
                       
                       
                      There are more things that need to be done. Hygiene, for example, is  invariably terrible in all schools. Then the training of teachers - the SET exam syllabus. I have no idea how to change anything here. But they should consult experts in education and train teachers for their job.
                       
                      I do not have the mail id to forward this to anyone. Can you do it for me? Also, should i ask others to participate?
                       
                      Regards
                      archana 
                       
                       
                       
                       
                       
                       
                       
                       
                       
                       
                       
                       
                       


                       
                      On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com> wrote:
                       
                      Hi

                       
                      Would you like to give five suggestions as requested in this mail ... Think it will be nice for you to participate in this discussion as a citizen with great exp on education of children ...

                      Dear All,


                      India has around 230 million children currently in age group 6-16. In the next decade, all these would cross 16 years of age, and reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossible.

                      Of these, around 30 million would get a chance to study in reasonable to good to excellent quality schools, some in a few good Govt. schools, but mostly private fee charging schools, including those for upper income and elite groups.

                      Remaining 200 odd million, if ASER and other such official and non-official reports are correct, would receive very poor quality education in the bulk of average government schools or low cost private schools. With RTE provisions and criterion coming in force, it would not be legally feasible for low cost private schools to exist as recognized schools, so the bulk of responsibility of educating these 200 million children will be of Government Schools.

                      Most of us know, and agree, that average quality of education in most Government Schools is very bad, which means that 200 million of today's children will become adult without receiving a minimum quality school education, which will not only keep them poor and under-developed, but also lead to poor development of the country.

                      The only solution is to significantly improve the quality of Government schools, with 3-5 years.

                      I request and invite forum readers to give no more than 5 suggestions that would improve the quality of education in a time bound 3-5 years, so the improvements in learning levels of children can be measured in  concrete manner, by ASER or NCERT studies.

                      I hope this exercise of sifting through various actionable ideas would not only show a way to move forward, it will also make "Improvements in Govt. Schools within 3-5 years', a declared and formal policy agenda of the Government.

                      Pankaj Jain


                      Pankaj
                       

                       





                      --

                      Cheers
                      Leena




                      --
                      Creativity means to push open the heavy, groaning doorway to life… This is not an easy struggle. Indeed, it may be the most difficult task in the world, for opening the door to your own life is, in the end, more difficult than opening the doors to the mysteries of the universe.
                                                                                   -Dr. Daisaku Ikeda
                       



                      --

                      Cheers
                      Leena




                      --
                      Dr. Shaheen Ansari
                      Arkitect India
                      C - 336 - ACD / 2 Z, Budha Vihar,(Opp. JNU Gate)
                      Munirka,New Delhi- 110067

                      http://educationatd oorsteps. blogspot. com
                      http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/arkitectin dia/






                      --
                      Naaz Khair
                       


                    • Pankaj Jain
                      Dear Anjela and All, I do not have a solution to this big problem, I only have a concern which, I think, is shared by large many. I tried to initiate the
                      Message 10 of 25 , Jul 5, 2010
                        Dear Anjela and All,

                        I do not have a solution to this big problem, I only have a concern which, I think, is shared by large many.

                        I tried to initiate the discussion to stimulate each other's thinking, and some of us might also act on these thoughts.

                        Regarding the specific idea of outcome assessment, it is only one systemic way to hold people accountable for their claims, whatever these are. If you have a better way to ensure accountability, which goes beyound unverifiable claims, please do share that with us all. Otherwise, the exercise would just remain empty slogans and claims. It alsoi brings into operation the concern to achieve the goal in a time-bound fashion.

                        Pankaj
                         
                         

                        --- On Mon, 7/5/10, Anjela Taneja <Anjela.Taneja@...> wrote:

                        From: Anjela Taneja <Anjela.Taneja@...>
                        Subject: RE: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                        To: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com
                        Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 11:34 AM

                         

                        Dear Pankaj,

                         

                        I am unable to understand the rationale of asking others for suggestions, when you proceed to ignore everything others suggest.  However, since you seem to have an idea of investing a tenth of the budget on “learning outcomes” measured by “standardized testing”, it would be useful to understand what sort of activities would you intend those to be- that is apart from the hiring of trained teachers, strengthening teacher training, strengthening decentralization and accountability mechanisms and ensuring availability of learning materials (and overall school infrastructure) in the classroom. All of these have been suggested by multiple posters on this forum and have been rejected by you as inadequate and/or impractical.

                         

                        However, while you go on to describe your agenda, a quick comment on the use of standardized testing to measure quality. It is arguably the most highly opposed policy in the west (googling for costs of high stakes testing gives 120,000 hits in 0.17 seconds). These include, discrimination against schools with minority (read dalit) populations (which would start with lower test scores), discrimination against minority (read dalit and adivasi) pupils who potentially may pull the school result down, promotion of cheating and corruption (to ensure that the result is maintained), pulling precious resources from teaching (which improves performance) to testing (which only measures it), and has negative impact on the child’s morale (having low performance drilled into you every time), impacting the ability of teachers to innovate (since they have to teach for the “test”) and has converted the process of education into merely achieving marketable basic competencies (in contrast to holistic child development) . Thing is, apart from all this- it is also questionable if the learning levels are actually improving across the board. Consequently, it would be essential to take the current enthusiasm about “testing”, “outcomes” and other related issues with a pinch of salt learning from the countries where this practice was started first.

                        Anjela R V Taneja
                        Program Officer, Education Theme,
                        ActionAid India Country Office
                        Mobile: 09958087043


                        From: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:arkitectind ia@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Pankaj Jain
                        Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 7:09 AM
                        To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                        Subject: Re: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                         

                         

                        Sir/ Madam,

                        Most suggestions made for improving quality are good and in the right direction, but I am afraid that most of these may/ will not produce results in a time bound manner, so we shall keep loosing the future of those who keep crossing schooling threshold.

                        May be, a policy that links, say 5-10%, of budget to 'learning outcome', will have higher chance of success. When faced with the choice of not having money in the absence of success, mind and body will really concentrate to get the results. It simply means that a section will have to be set up in each State Government's education department to handle 5-10% of education budget that can be spent only when assured gains in children's learning takes place, assessed by an independent agency appointed by the Government. 

                        Pankaj Jain
                         

                        --- On Sat, 7/3/10, naaz khair <naazkhair@gmail. com> wrote:


                        From: naaz khair <naazkhair@gmail. com>
                        Subject: Re: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                        To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                        Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 1:56 PM

                         

                        Dear All,

                         

                        I have just returned from a long travel and eversince I have been mulling over this. I have read all the suggestions made so far. They are good.

                         

                        Yes, high time we worked with a sense of purpose and met a deadline of minimum good quality education for 200 million children by 2020. As Pankaj says this is all the time we have before these children today in the age-group of 6-16 years reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossib le. 

                         

                        If we fail to meet this deadline, we violate the fundamental right to education of as many as 200 million children and counting. Add to it the far reaching consequences the Country will have to face on the development front!

                         

                        And, I hope, once a set of solutions is in sight, the media will play its part and prove itself for the children of India by actively tracking government pace and efforts to meet the dealine, just as it did for Delhi in case of the Common Wealth Games.

                         

                        Now getting to the point, I humbly submit the following as the way to go in the next 3-5 years:

                         

                        1. Put a cap on teacher transfers- a minimum of so many per state and no more. Transfers to be approved by the Chief Minister. The CMO to monitor teacher absenteeism and teacher punctuality, empowering SMC and Panchayat sub-committee on education for the purpose.

                         

                        2. Give the same management autonomy as Kendriya Vidyalaya to the regular government schools.

                         

                        3. Prestigious awards for best teacher in a cluster (CRC),  best school, best SMC, best Panchayat, best block, best district and best state!

                         

                        4. Plumbers (like electricity linesmen ) to ensure proper working of drinking water facility in schools at all times. A sweeper per school to keep school premises and toilets clean. SMC to ensure consumables needed for maintenance and use are provided in case of both drinking water and toilets.

                         

                         5. A children's group (a group for children that is their own i.e. one which is not formed and led by teachers but facilitated by them) in each school to discuss and share a range of issues affecting them within and outside the school. Regular formal opportunities  for children through this group to present proposals to SMC and the government for implementation.

                         

                        6. Education and related departments to ensure school facilities as mandated by the RTE is in place immediately - school library, computer room, playground etc.

                         

                        Thank you and regards,

                         

                        Naaz

                         

                         

                        On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Prof.Kalluri S.Rao <ksrsl@yahoo. com> wrote:

                         

                        Yes I would add that this must be done apto atleast 7th class. Other langauages can be taught but Hindi should not be imposed on children at the expense of their mother tongue.

                         

                        The problem of India is language and caste

                         

                        KSRao



                        Kalluri Subba Rao., Ph.D., D.Sc.(IISc), FAS-AP, FAMS., FNASc.,FNA.Hon. Professor & INSA-Senior Scientist,Center for Biotechnology, Institute of Science and Technology (IST) , Jawaharlal Nehru Technological University, Kukatpally, Hyderabad-500085. Email:ksrsl@ yahoo.com

                        --- On Fri, 7/2/10, B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com> wrote:


                        From: B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com>
                        Subject: Re: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                        To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                        Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 12:03 PM

                         

                         

                        this is the most importatn and fundamental suggestion [ i agree with it totally]

                        Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue.[through mother tongue]

                        B.K.Passi

                         

                         

                         


                        From: Shaheen Ansari <ansarishaheen@ gmail.com>
                        To: arkitectindia <arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com>
                        Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 11:51:48 AM
                        Subject: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                         

                        FYI

                         


                        From: Leena Prasad [mailto:leenadivansh@ gmail.com]
                        Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 08:22
                        To: Shaheen Ansari
                        Subject: Fwd: The future of 200 million Children

                        will you post this on your group in response to a mail asking for suggestions on RTE  - and may be add our volunteer Archana on it as well - 

                        ---------- Forwarded message ----------
                        From: ARCHANA RAVI <archa1982@gmail. com>
                        Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:08 PM
                        Subject: Re: The future of 200 million Children
                        To: Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com>

                         

                        My suggestions are:

                         

                        1. All teachers' vacancies should be filled as soon as possible. All contract teachers should be replaced by permanent teachers.

                         

                        2. In schools where the student-teacher ratio is good, naturally the quality is better. Instead of having a school in every km, the rule should be a classroom for every 30 underprivileged children in the locality.

                         

                        3. The government should set up a department in each panchayat/municipal ity that would do quarter-yearly door-to-door surveys to determine the status of children in the society. This department will identify out-of-school children and dropouts.

                         

                        4. Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue. 

                         

                        5. The syllabus in all schools - CBSE, ICSE or state - should be unified. If members of all these boards participate in the making of the syllabus, the resultant syllabus will be good. Teachers may be used to rot learning techniques. They should be trained to do their jobs without rot learning. 

                         

                         

                        There are more things that need to be done. Hygiene, for example, is  invariably terrible in all schools. Then the training of teachers - the SET exam syllabus. I have no idea how to change anything here. But they should consult experts in education and train teachers for their job.

                         

                        I do not have the mail id to forward this to anyone. Can you do it for me? Also, should i ask others to participate?

                         

                        Regards

                        archana 

                         

                         

                         

                         

                         

                         

                         

                         

                         

                         

                         

                         

                         



                         

                        On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com> wrote:

                        Hi

                         

                        Would you like to give five suggestions as requested in this mail ... Think it will be nice for you to participate in this discussion as a citizen with great exp on education of children ...

                        Dear All,


                        India has around 230 million children currently in age group 6-16. In the next decade, all these would cross 16 years of age, and reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossible.

                        Of these, around 30 million would get a chance to study in reasonable to good to excellent quality schools, some in a few good Govt. schools, but mostly private fee charging schools, including those for upper income and elite groups.

                        Remaining 200 odd million, if ASER and other such official and non-official reports are correct, would receive very poor quality education in the bulk of average government schools or low cost private schools. With RTE provisions and criterion coming in force, it would not be legally feasible for low cost private schools to exist as recognized schools, so the bulk of responsibility of educating these 200 million children will be of Government Schools.

                        Most of us know, and agree, that average quality of education in most Government Schools is very bad, which means that 200 million of today's children will become adult without receiving a minimum quality school education, which will not only keep them poor and under-developed, but also lead to poor development of the country.

                        The only solution is to significantly improve the quality of Government schools, with 3-5 years.

                        I request and invite forum readers to give no more than 5 suggestions that would improve the quality of education in a time bound 3-5 years, so the improvements in learning levels of children can be measured in  concrete manner, by ASER or NCERT studies.

                        I hope this exercise of sifting through various actionable ideas would not only show a way to move forward, it will also make "Improvements in Govt. Schools within 3-5 years', a declared and formal policy agenda of the Government.

                        Pankaj Jain


                        Pankaj
                         

                         





                        --

                        Cheers
                        Leena




                        --
                        Creativity means to push open the heavy, groaning doorway to life… This is not an easy struggle. Indeed, it may be the most difficult task in the world, for opening the door to your own life is, in the end, more difficult than opening the doors to the mysteries of the universe.
                                                                                     -Dr. Daisaku Ikeda




                        --

                        Cheers
                        Leena




                        --
                        Dr. Shaheen Ansari
                        Arkitect India
                        C - 336 - ACD / 2 Z, Budha Vihar,(Opp. JNU Gate)
                        Munirka, New Delhi- 110067

                        http://educationatd oorsteps. blogspot. com
                        http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/arkitectin dia/





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                      • naaz khair
                        Dear Pankaj, Let me also try delving into your suggestion and in the process also seek a few clarifications. Do you mean linking 5-10% of the teacher and
                        Message 11 of 25 , Jul 5, 2010
                          Dear Pankaj,
                           
                          Let me also try delving into your suggestion and in the process also seek a few clarifications. Do you mean linking 5-10% of the teacher and education officials 'Salary' budget to 'learning outcome'? Are you pointing towards a policy of performance based salaries? If this is the case, may be raise the percentage higher? Going by your understanding that money is short and results are poor, the need is to apply more pressure to get everyone on their feet.
                           
                          And, I should think, the 'Assessment' can be done by an independent agency appointed by an all party parliamentary committee advised by non-governmental education experts/practitioners of the Country. NGO partners of the government would also like to stay out of this to make the whole enquiry impartial.
                           
                          I agree with all the issues raised by members following your response to my mail.
                           
                          Thank you and regards,
                           
                          Naaz
                           
                           
                           

                           
                          On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:08 AM, Pankaj Jain <pjain2002@...> wrote:
                           

                          Sir/ Madam,

                          Most suggestions made for improving quality are good and in the right direction, but I am afraid that most of these may/ will not produce results in a time bound manner, so we shall keep loosing the future of those who keep crossing schooling threshold.

                          May be, a policy that links, say 5-10%, of budget to 'learning outcome', will have higher chance of success. When faced with the choice of not having money in the absence of success, mind and body will really concentrate to get the results. It simply means that a section will have to be set up in each State Government's education department to handle 5-10% of education budget that can be spent only when assured gains in children's learning takes place, assessed by an independent agency appointed by the Government. 

                          Pankaj Jain
                           

                          --- On Sat, 7/3/10, naaz khair <naazkhair@...> wrote:

                          From: naaz khair <naazkhair@...>

                          Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                          To: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com
                          Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 1:56 PM

                           

                          Dear All,
                           
                          I have just returned from a long travel and eversince I have been mulling over this. I have read all the suggestions made so far. They are good.
                           
                          Yes, high time we worked with a sense of purpose and met a deadline of minimum good quality education for 200 million children by 2020. As Pankaj says this is all the time we have before these children today in the age-group of 6-16 years reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossib le. 
                           
                          If we fail to meet this deadline, we violate the fundamental right to education of as many as 200 million children and counting. Add to it the far reaching consequences the Country will have to face on the development front!
                           
                          And, I hope, once a set of solutions is in sight, the media will play its part and prove itself for the children of India by actively tracking government pace and efforts to meet the dealine, just as it did for Delhi in case of the Common Wealth Games.
                           
                          Now getting to the point, I humbly submit the following as the way to go in the next 3-5 years:
                           
                          1. Put a cap on teacher transfers- a minimum of so many per state and no more. Transfers to be approved by the Chief Minister. The CMO to monitor teacher absenteeism and teacher punctuality, empowering SMC and Panchayat sub-committee on education for the purpose.
                           
                          2. Give the same management autonomy as Kendriya Vidyalaya to the regular government schools.
                           
                          3. Prestigious awards for best teacher in a cluster (CRC),  best school, best SMC, best Panchayat, best block, best district and best state!
                           
                          4. Plumbers (like electricity linesmen ) to ensure proper working of drinking water facility in schools at all times. A sweeper per school to keep school premises and toilets clean. SMC to ensure consumables needed for maintenance and use are provided in case of both drinking water and toilets.
                           
                           5. A children's group (a group for children that is their own i.e. one which is not formed and led by teachers but facilitated by them) in each school to discuss and share a range of issues affecting them within and outside the school. Regular formal opportunities  for children through this group to present proposals to SMC and the government for implementation.
                           
                          6. Education and related departments to ensure school facilities as mandated by the RTE is in place immediately - school library, computer room, playground etc.
                           
                          Thank you and regards,
                           
                          Naaz
                           
                           
                          On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Prof.Kalluri S.Rao <ksrsl@yahoo. com> wrote:
                           

                          Yes I would add that this must be done apto atleast 7th class. Other langauages can be taught but Hindi should not be imposed on children at the expense of their mother tongue.
                           
                          The problem of India is language and caste
                           
                          KSRao


                          Kalluri Subba Rao., Ph.D., D.Sc.(IISc), FAS-AP, FAMS., FNASc.,FNA.Hon. Professor & INSA-Senior Scientist,Center for Biotechnology, Institute of Science and Technology (IST) , Jawaharlal Nehru Technological University, Kukatpally, Hyderabad-500085. Email:ksrsl@ yahoo.com

                          --- On Fri, 7/2/10, B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com> wrote:

                          From: B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com>
                          Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                          To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                          Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 12:03 PM


                           
                          this is the most importatn and fundamental suggestion [ i agree with it totally]

                          Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue.[through mother tongue]

                          B.K.Passi

                           




                          From: Shaheen Ansari <ansarishaheen@ gmail.com>
                          To: arkitectindia <arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com>
                          Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 11:51:48 AM
                          Subject: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                           
                          FYI


                          From: Leena Prasad [mailto:leenadivansh@ gmail.com]
                          Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 08:22
                          To: Shaheen Ansari
                          Subject: Fwd: The future of 200 million Children

                          will you post this on your group in response to a mail asking for suggestions on RTE  - and may be add our volunteer Archana on it as well - 

                          ---------- Forwarded message ----------
                          From: ARCHANA RAVI <archa1982@gmail. com>
                          Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:08 PM
                          Subject: Re: The future of 200 million Children
                          To: Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com>

                           
                          My suggestions are:
                           
                          1. All teachers' vacancies should be filled as soon as possible. All contract teachers should be replaced by permanent teachers.
                           
                          2. In schools where the student-teacher ratio is good, naturally the quality is better. Instead of having a school in every km, the rule should be a classroom for every 30 underprivileged children in the locality.
                           
                          3. The government should set up a department in each panchayat/municipal ity that would do quarter-yearly door-to-door surveys to determine the status of children in the society. This department will identify out-of-school children and dropouts.
                           
                          4. Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue. 
                           
                          5. The syllabus in all schools - CBSE, ICSE or state - should be unified. If members of all these boards participate in the making of the syllabus, the resultant syllabus will be good. Teachers may be used to rot learning techniques. They should be trained to do their jobs without rot learning. 
                           
                           
                          There are more things that need to be done. Hygiene, for example, is  invariably terrible in all schools. Then the training of teachers - the SET exam syllabus. I have no idea how to change anything here. But they should consult experts in education and train teachers for their job.
                           
                          I do not have the mail id to forward this to anyone. Can you do it for me? Also, should i ask others to participate?
                           
                          Regards
                          archana 
                           
                           
                           
                           
                           
                           
                           
                           
                           
                           
                           
                           
                           


                           
                          On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com> wrote:
                          Hi

                          Would you like to give five suggestions as requested in this mail ... Think it will be nice for you to participate in this discussion as a citizen with great exp on education of children ...

                          Dear All,


                          India has around 230 million children currently in age group 6-16. In the next decade, all these would cross 16 years of age, and reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossible.

                          Of these, around 30 million would get a chance to study in reasonable to good to excellent quality schools, some in a few good Govt. schools, but mostly private fee charging schools, including those for upper income and elite groups.

                          Remaining 200 odd million, if ASER and other such official and non-official reports are correct, would receive very poor quality education in the bulk of average government schools or low cost private schools. With RTE provisions and criterion coming in force, it would not be legally feasible for low cost private schools to exist as recognized schools, so the bulk of responsibility of educating these 200 million children will be of Government Schools.

                          Most of us know, and agree, that average quality of education in most Government Schools is very bad, which means that 200 million of today's children will become adult without receiving a minimum quality school education, which will not only keep them poor and under-developed, but also lead to poor development of the country.

                          The only solution is to significantly improve the quality of Government schools, with 3-5 years.

                          I request and invite forum readers to give no more than 5 suggestions that would improve the quality of education in a time bound 3-5 years, so the improvements in learning levels of children can be measured in  concrete manner, by ASER or NCERT studies.

                          I hope this exercise of sifting through various actionable ideas would not only show a way to move forward, it will also make "Improvements in Govt. Schools within 3-5 years', a declared and formal policy agenda of the Government.

                          Pankaj Jain


                          Pankaj
                           

                           





                          --

                          Cheers
                          Leena




                          --
                          Creativity means to push open the heavy, groaning doorway to life… This is not an easy struggle. Indeed, it may be the most difficult task in the world, for opening the door to your own life is, in the end, more difficult than opening the doors to the mysteries of the universe.
                                                                                       -Dr. Daisaku Ikeda



                          --

                          Cheers
                          Leena




                          --
                          Dr. Shaheen Ansari
                          Arkitect India
                          C - 336 - ACD / 2 Z, Budha Vihar,(Opp. JNU Gate)
                          Munirka,New Delhi- 110067

                          http://educationatd oorsteps. blogspot. com
                          http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/arkitectin dia/






                          --
                          Naaz Khair




                          --
                          Naaz Khair
                        • Pankaj Jain
                          Dear Naaz, My suggestion has some nuances, though broadly, you get the drift of thinking. I mean performance linked budget. It is difficult to link salary to
                          Message 12 of 25 , Jul 5, 2010
                            Dear Naaz,

                            My suggestion has some nuances, though broadly, you get the drift of thinking.

                            I mean performance linked budget. It is difficult to link salary to performance, because the performance is produced by too many interacting people, some of whom perform well and some do not. Further, it is possible to show that apparently each has performed minimally well, still the minimum desired results are not produced. Knowing a bit about the way system function, I feel that accountability has to be pitched at the level of head of a system-group of people, who will take responsibility to deliver agreed results for a given budget. 

                            My feeling is that linking more than 5-10% budget to outcome will not be politically feasible, so let us keep it realistic.

                            Regarding assessment, your way of thinking is absolutely right.

                            Pankaj



                            --- On Mon, 7/5/10, naaz khair <naazkhair@...> wrote:

                            From: naaz khair <naazkhair@...>
                            Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                            To: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com
                            Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 10:12 PM

                             

                            Dear Pankaj,
                             
                            Let me also try delving into your suggestion and in the process also seek a few clarifications. Do you mean linking 5-10% of the teacher and education officials 'Salary' budget to 'learning outcome'? Are you pointing towards a policy of performance based salaries? If this is the case, may be raise the percentage higher? Going by your understanding that money is short and results are poor, the need is to apply more pressure to get everyone on their feet.
                             
                            And, I should think, the 'Assessment' can be done by an independent agency appointed by an all party parliamentary committee advised by non-governmental  education experts/practitione rs of the Country. NGO partners of the government would also like to stay out of this to make the whole enquiry impartial.
                             
                            I agree with all the issues raised by members following your response to my mail.
                             
                            Thank you and regards,
                             
                            Naaz
                             
                             
                             

                             
                            On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:08 AM, Pankaj Jain <pjain2002@yahoo. com> wrote:
                             

                            Sir/ Madam,

                            Most suggestions made for improving quality are good and in the right direction, but I am afraid that most of these may/ will not produce results in a time bound manner, so we shall keep loosing the future of those who keep crossing schooling threshold.

                            May be, a policy that links, say 5-10%, of budget to 'learning outcome', will have higher chance of success. When faced with the choice of not having money in the absence of success, mind and body will really concentrate to get the results. It simply means that a section will have to be set up in each State Government's education department to handle 5-10% of education budget that can be spent only when assured gains in children's learning takes place, assessed by an independent agency appointed by the Government. 

                            Pankaj Jain
                             

                            --- On Sat, 7/3/10, naaz khair <naazkhair@gmail. com> wrote:

                            From: naaz khair <naazkhair@gmail. com>

                            Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                            To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                            Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 1:56 PM

                             

                            Dear All,
                             
                            I have just returned from a long travel and eversince I have been mulling over this. I have read all the suggestions made so far. They are good.
                             
                            Yes, high time we worked with a sense of purpose and met a deadline of minimum good quality education for 200 million children by 2020. As Pankaj says this is all the time we have before these children today in the age-group of 6-16 years reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossib le. 
                             
                            If we fail to meet this deadline, we violate the fundamental right to education of as many as 200 million children and counting. Add to it the far reaching consequences the Country will have to face on the development front!
                             
                            And, I hope, once a set of solutions is in sight, the media will play its part and prove itself for the children of India by actively tracking government pace and efforts to meet the dealine, just as it did for Delhi in case of the Common Wealth Games.
                             
                            Now getting to the point, I humbly submit the following as the way to go in the next 3-5 years:
                             
                            1. Put a cap on teacher transfers- a minimum of so many per state and no more. Transfers to be approved by the Chief Minister. The CMO to monitor teacher absenteeism and teacher punctuality, empowering SMC and Panchayat sub-committee on education for the purpose.
                             
                            2. Give the same management autonomy as Kendriya Vidyalaya to the regular government schools.
                             
                            3. Prestigious awards for best teacher in a cluster (CRC),  best school, best SMC, best Panchayat, best block, best district and best state!
                             
                            4. Plumbers (like electricity linesmen ) to ensure proper working of drinking water facility in schools at all times. A sweeper per school to keep school premises and toilets clean. SMC to ensure consumables needed for maintenance and use are provided in case of both drinking water and toilets.
                             
                             5. A children's group (a group for children that is their own i.e. one which is not formed and led by teachers but facilitated by them) in each school to discuss and share a range of issues affecting them within and outside the school. Regular formal opportunities  for children through this group to present proposals to SMC and the government for implementation.
                             
                            6. Education and related departments to ensure school facilities as mandated by the RTE is in place immediately - school library, computer room, playground etc.
                             
                            Thank you and regards,
                             
                            Naaz
                             
                             
                            On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Prof.Kalluri S.Rao <ksrsl@yahoo. com> wrote:
                             

                            Yes I would add that this must be done apto atleast 7th class. Other langauages can be taught but Hindi should not be imposed on children at the expense of their mother tongue.
                             
                            The problem of India is language and caste
                             
                            KSRao


                            Kalluri Subba Rao., Ph.D., D.Sc.(IISc), FAS-AP, FAMS., FNASc.,FNA.Hon. Professor & INSA-Senior Scientist,Center for Biotechnology, Institute of Science and Technology (IST) , Jawaharlal Nehru Technological University, Kukatpally, Hyderabad-500085. Email:ksrsl@ yahoo.com

                            --- On Fri, 7/2/10, B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com> wrote:

                            From: B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com>
                            Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                            To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                            Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 12:03 PM


                             
                            this is the most importatn and fundamental suggestion [ i agree with it totally]

                            Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue.[through mother tongue]

                            B.K.Passi

                             




                            From: Shaheen Ansari <ansarishaheen@ gmail.com>
                            To: arkitectindia <arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com>
                            Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 11:51:48 AM
                            Subject: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                             
                            FYI


                            From: Leena Prasad [mailto:leenadivansh@ gmail.com]
                            Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 08:22
                            To: Shaheen Ansari
                            Subject: Fwd: The future of 200 million Children

                            will you post this on your group in response to a mail asking for suggestions on RTE  - and may be add our volunteer Archana on it as well - 

                            ---------- Forwarded message ----------
                            From: ARCHANA RAVI <archa1982@gmail. com>
                            Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:08 PM
                            Subject: Re: The future of 200 million Children
                            To: Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com>

                             
                            My suggestions are:
                             
                            1. All teachers' vacancies should be filled as soon as possible. All contract teachers should be replaced by permanent teachers.
                             
                            2. In schools where the student-teacher ratio is good, naturally the quality is better. Instead of having a school in every km, the rule should be a classroom for every 30 underprivileged children in the locality.
                             
                            3. The government should set up a department in each panchayat/municipal ity that would do quarter-yearly door-to-door surveys to determine the status of children in the society. This department will identify out-of-school children and dropouts.
                             
                            4. Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue. 
                             
                            5. The syllabus in all schools - CBSE, ICSE or state - should be unified. If members of all these boards participate in the making of the syllabus, the resultant syllabus will be good. Teachers may be used to rot learning techniques. They should be trained to do their jobs without rot learning. 
                             
                             
                            There are more things that need to be done. Hygiene, for example, is  invariably terrible in all schools. Then the training of teachers - the SET exam syllabus. I have no idea how to change anything here. But they should consult experts in education and train teachers for their job.
                             
                            I do not have the mail id to forward this to anyone. Can you do it for me? Also, should i ask others to participate?
                             
                            Regards
                            archana 
                             
                             
                             
                             
                             
                             
                             
                             
                             
                             
                             
                             
                             


                             
                            On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com> wrote:
                            Hi

                            Would you like to give five suggestions as requested in this mail ... Think it will be nice for you to participate in this discussion as a citizen with great exp on education of children ...

                            Dear All,


                            India has around 230 million children currently in age group 6-16. In the next decade, all these would cross 16 years of age, and reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossible.

                            Of these, around 30 million would get a chance to study in reasonable to good to excellent quality schools, some in a few good Govt. schools, but mostly private fee charging schools, including those for upper income and elite groups.

                            Remaining 200 odd million, if ASER and other such official and non-official reports are correct, would receive very poor quality education in the bulk of average government schools or low cost private schools. With RTE provisions and criterion coming in force, it would not be legally feasible for low cost private schools to exist as recognized schools, so the bulk of responsibility of educating these 200 million children will be of Government Schools.

                            Most of us know, and agree, that average quality of education in most Government Schools is very bad, which means that 200 million of today's children will become adult without receiving a minimum quality school education, which will not only keep them poor and under-developed, but also lead to poor development of the country.

                            The only solution is to significantly improve the quality of Government schools, with 3-5 years.

                            I request and invite forum readers to give no more than 5 suggestions that would improve the quality of education in a time bound 3-5 years, so the improvements in learning levels of children can be measured in  concrete manner, by ASER or NCERT studies.

                            I hope this exercise of sifting through various actionable ideas would not only show a way to move forward, it will also make "Improvements in Govt. Schools within 3-5 years', a declared and formal policy agenda of the Government.

                            Pankaj Jain


                            Pankaj
                             

                             





                            --

                            Cheers
                            Leena




                            --
                            Creativity means to push open the heavy, groaning doorway to life… This is not an easy struggle. Indeed, it may be the most difficult task in the world, for opening the door to your own life is, in the end, more difficult than opening the doors to the mysteries of the universe.
                                                                                         -Dr. Daisaku Ikeda



                            --

                            Cheers
                            Leena




                            --
                            Dr. Shaheen Ansari
                            Arkitect India
                            C - 336 - ACD / 2 Z, Budha Vihar,(Opp. JNU Gate)
                            Munirka,New Delhi- 110067

                            http://educationatd oorsteps. blogspot. com
                            http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/arkitectin dia/






                            --
                            Naaz Khair




                            --
                            Naaz Khair

                          • psn.1946
                            Education is a state subject. What is the role of a Parliamentary Committee here? It is a great injustice that education has been included in the concurrent
                            Message 13 of 25 , Jul 6, 2010
                              Education is a state subject. What is the role of a Parliamentary Committee here?
                               
                              It is a great injustice that education has been included in the concurrent list.
                              It must be set right at once.
                               
                              Even state ministers and secys do not understand the dist-wise educational needs.
                              How can a Kapil Sibal and a few ivory tower secys in Delhi understand what type of education is
                              needed by my village, taluk and dist?
                               
                              India is a sub-continent. You can't have a uniform syllabus from Kashmir to Kanyakumari.
                               
                              Education is for creative living. Definitely not to create rank slaves and cyber coolies to serve
                              alien banias within and without.
                               
                              Our educational system only can produce a Vice Chancellor [Anna University] who has the audacity
                              to defend the donation collected from Dow Chemicals.
                               
                              You need such education?
                               
                              Sankaran
                               


                               
                              On 7/6/10, Pankaj Jain <pjain2002@...> wrote:
                               

                              Dear Naaz,

                              My suggestion has some nuances, though broadly, you get the drift of thinking.

                              I mean performance linked budget. It is difficult to link salary to performance, because the performance is produced by too many interacting people, some of whom perform well and some do not. Further, it is possible to show that apparently each has performed minimally well, still the minimum desired results are not produced. Knowing a bit about the way system function, I feel that accountability has to be pitched at the level of head of a system-group of people, who will take responsibility to deliver agreed results for a given budget. 

                              My feeling is that linking more than 5-10% budget to outcome will not be politically feasible, so let us keep it realistic.

                              Regarding assessment, your way of thinking is absolutely right.

                              Pankaj



                              --- On Mon, 7/5/10, naaz khair <naazkhair@...> wrote:

                              From: naaz khair <naazkhair@...>
                              Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                              To: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com
                              Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 10:12 PM

                               

                              Dear Pankaj,
                               
                              Let me also try delving into your suggestion and in the process also seek a few clarifications. Do you mean linking 5-10% of the teacher and education officials 'Salary' budget to 'learning outcome'? Are you pointing towards a policy of performance based salaries? If this is the case, may be raise the percentage higher? Going by your understanding that money is short and results are poor, the need is to apply more pressure to get everyone on their feet.
                               
                              And, I should think, the 'Assessment' can be done by an independent agency appointed by an all party parliamentary committee advised by non-governmental  education experts/practitione rs of the Country. NGO partners of the government would also like to stay out of this to make the whole enquiry impartial.
                               
                              I agree with all the issues raised by members following your response to my mail.
                               
                              Thank you and regards,
                               
                              Naaz
                               
                               
                               

                               
                              On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:08 AM, Pankaj Jain <pjain2002@yahoo. com> wrote:
                               

                              Sir/ Madam,

                              Most suggestions made for improving quality are good and in the right direction, but I am afraid that most of these may/ will not produce results in a time bound manner, so we shall keep loosing the future of those who keep crossing schooling threshold.

                              May be, a policy that links, say 5-10%, of budget to 'learning outcome', will have higher chance of success. When faced with the choice of not having money in the absence of success, mind and body will really concentrate to get the results. It simply means that a section will have to be set up in each State Government's education department to handle 5-10% of education budget that can be spent only when assured gains in children's learning takes place, assessed by an independent agency appointed by the Government. 

                              Pankaj Jain
                               

                              --- On Sat, 7/3/10, naaz khair <naazkhair@gmail. com> wrote:

                              From: naaz khair <naazkhair@gmail. com>

                              Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                              To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                               
                              Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 1:56 PM

                               

                              Dear All,
                               
                              I have just returned from a long travel and eversince I have been mulling over this. I have read all the suggestions made so far. They are good.
                               
                              Yes, high time we worked with a sense of purpose and met a deadline of minimum good quality education for 200 million children by 2020. As Pankaj says this is all the time we have before these children today in the age-group of 6-16 years reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossib le. 
                               
                              If we fail to meet this deadline, we violate the fundamental right to education of as many as 200 million children and counting. Add to it the far reaching consequences the Country will have to face on the development front!
                               
                              And, I hope, once a set of solutions is in sight, the media will play its part and prove itself for the children of India by actively tracking government pace and efforts to meet the dealine, just as it did for Delhi in case of the Common Wealth Games.
                               
                              Now getting to the point, I humbly submit the following as the way to go in the next 3-5 years:
                               
                              1. Put a cap on teacher transfers- a minimum of so many per state and no more. Transfers to be approved by the Chief Minister. The CMO to monitor teacher absenteeism and teacher punctuality, empowering SMC and Panchayat sub-committee on education for the purpose.
                               
                              2. Give the same management autonomy as Kendriya Vidyalaya to the regular government schools.
                               
                              3. Prestigious awards for best teacher in a cluster (CRC),  best school, best SMC, best Panchayat, best block, best district and best state!
                               
                              4. Plumbers (like electricity linesmen ) to ensure proper working of drinking water facility in schools at all times. A sweeper per school to keep school premises and toilets clean. SMC to ensure consumables needed for maintenance and use are provided in case of both drinking water and toilets.
                               
                               5. A children's group (a group for children that is their own i.e. one which is not formed and led by teachers but facilitated by them) in each school to discuss and share a range of issues affecting them within and outside the school. Regular formal opportunities  for children through this group to present proposals to SMC and the government for implementation.
                               
                              6. Education and related departments to ensure school facilities as mandated by the RTE is in place immediately - school library, computer room, playground etc.
                               
                              Thank you and regards,
                               
                              Naaz
                               
                               
                              On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Prof.Kalluri S.Rao <ksrsl@yahoo. com> wrote:
                               

                              Yes I would add that this must be done apto atleast 7th class. Other langauages can be taught but Hindi should not be imposed on children at the expense of their mother tongue.
                               
                              The problem of India is language and caste
                               
                              KSRao


                              Kalluri Subba Rao., Ph.D., D.Sc.(IISc), FAS-AP, FAMS., FNASc.,FNA.Hon. Professor & INSA-Senior Scientist,Center for Biotechnology, Institute of Science and Technology (IST) , Jawaharlal Nehru Technological University, Kukatpally, Hyderabad-500085. Email:ksrsl@ yahoo.com

                              --- On Fri, 7/2/10, B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com> wrote:
                               

                              From: B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com>
                              Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                              To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                              Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 12:03 PM


                               
                              this is the most importatn and fundamental suggestion [ i agree with it totally]

                              Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue.[through mother tongue]

                              B.K.Passi

                               


                               


                              From: Shaheen Ansari <ansarishaheen@ gmail.com>
                              To: arkitectindia <arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com>
                              Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 11:51:48 AM
                              Subject: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                               
                              FYI


                              From: Leena Prasad [mailto:leenadivansh@ gmail.com]
                              Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 08:22
                              To: Shaheen Ansari
                              Subject: Fwd: The future of 200 million Children

                               
                              will you post this on your group in response to a mail asking for suggestions on RTE  - and may be add our volunteer Archana on it as well - 

                              ---------- Forwarded message ----------
                              From: ARCHANA RAVI <archa1982@gmail. com>
                              Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:08 PM
                              Subject: Re: The future of 200 million Children
                              To: Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com>

                               
                              My suggestions are:
                               
                              1. All teachers' vacancies should be filled as soon as possible. All contract teachers should be replaced by permanent teachers.
                               
                              2. In schools where the student-teacher ratio is good, naturally the quality is better. Instead of having a school in every km, the rule should be a classroom for every 30 underprivileged children in the locality.
                               
                              3. The government should set up a department in each panchayat/municipal ity that would do quarter-yearly door-to-door surveys to determine the status of children in the society. This department will identify out-of-school children and dropouts.
                               
                              4. Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue. 
                               
                              5. The syllabus in all schools - CBSE, ICSE or state - should be unified. If members of all these boards participate in the making of the syllabus, the resultant syllabus will be good. Teachers may be used to rot learning techniques. They should be trained to do their jobs without rot learning. 
                               
                               
                              There are more things that need to be done. Hygiene, for example, is  invariably terrible in all schools. Then the training of teachers - the SET exam syllabus. I have no idea how to change anything here. But they should consult experts in education and train teachers for their job.
                               
                              I do not have the mail id to forward this to anyone. Can you do it for me? Also, should i ask others to participate?
                               
                              Regards
                              archana 
                               
                               
                               
                               
                               
                               
                               
                               
                               
                               
                               
                               
                               


                               
                              On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com> wrote:
                               
                              Hi

                               
                              Would you like to give five suggestions as requested in this mail ... Think it will be nice for you to participate in this discussion as a citizen with great exp on education of children ...

                              Dear All,


                              India has around 230 million children currently in age group 6-16. In the next decade, all these would cross 16 years of age, and reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossible.

                              Of these, around 30 million would get a chance to study in reasonable to good to excellent quality schools, some in a few good Govt. schools, but mostly private fee charging schools, including those for upper income and elite groups.

                              Remaining 200 odd million, if ASER and other such official and non-official reports are correct, would receive very poor quality education in the bulk of average government schools or low cost private schools. With RTE provisions and criterion coming in force, it would not be legally feasible for low cost private schools to exist as recognized schools, so the bulk of responsibility of educating these 200 million children will be of Government Schools.

                              Most of us know, and agree, that average quality of education in most Government Schools is very bad, which means that 200 million of today's children will become adult without receiving a minimum quality school education, which will not only keep them poor and under-developed, but also lead to poor development of the country.

                              The only solution is to significantly improve the quality of Government schools, with 3-5 years.

                              I request and invite forum readers to give no more than 5 suggestions that would improve the quality of education in a time bound 3-5 years, so the improvements in learning levels of children can be measured in  concrete manner, by ASER or NCERT studies.

                              I hope this exercise of sifting through various actionable ideas would not only show a way to move forward, it will also make "Improvements in Govt. Schools within 3-5 years', a declared and formal policy agenda of the Government.

                              Pankaj Jain


                              Pankaj
                               

                               





                              --

                              Cheers
                              Leena




                              --
                              Creativity means to push open the heavy, groaning doorway to life… This is not an easy struggle. Indeed, it may be the most difficult task in the world, for opening the door to your own life is, in the end, more difficult than opening the doors to the mysteries of the universe.
                                                                                           -Dr. Daisaku Ikeda
                               



                              --

                              Cheers
                              Leena




                              --
                              Dr. Shaheen Ansari
                              Arkitect India
                              C - 336 - ACD / 2 Z, Budha Vihar,(Opp. JNU Gate)
                              Munirka,New Delhi- 110067

                              http://educationatd oorsteps. blogspot. com
                              http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/arkitectin dia/






                               
                              --
                              Naaz Khair
                               




                              --
                              Naaz Khair


                            • naaz khair
                              Dear All, I would rather that Education is a Panchayat/Local bodies subject, which it actually is, under the 73rd/74th Amendment of the Constitution of India,
                              Message 14 of 25 , Jul 7, 2010
                                Dear All,
                                 
                                I would rather that Education is a Panchayat/Local bodies subject, which it actually is, under the 73rd/74th Amendment of the Constitution of India, but is not (in implementation), because States and the Centre oppose the idea tooth and nail. States reverse any effort aimed at panchayat meaningfully assuming charge of primary education. In the process the educational needs of economically and socially marginalised communities remain un-addressed. Just now we have Centre, State and Local Bodies run schools and they are all at different levels, in my experience the Centre run schools in high priority compared to the State and Local Bodies run schools.
                                 
                                But on the issue of performance linked budget, Pankaj, please explain the brass-tacks of the whole thing. How do you visualise it could happen? What would it involve?
                                 
                                Regards,
                                 
                                Naaz
                                 
                                 
                                 
                                 
                                On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 10:38 PM, psn.1946 <psn.1946@...> wrote:
                                 

                                Education is a state subject. What is the role of a Parliamentary Committee here?
                                 
                                It is a great injustice that education has been included in the concurrent list.
                                It must be set right at once.
                                 
                                Even state ministers and secys do not understand the dist-wise educational needs.
                                How can a Kapil Sibal and a few ivory tower secys in Delhi understand what type of education is
                                needed by my village, taluk and dist?
                                 
                                India is a sub-continent. You can't have a uniform syllabus from Kashmir to Kanyakumari.
                                 
                                Education is for creative living. Definitely not to create rank slaves and cyber coolies to serve
                                alien banias within and without.
                                 
                                Our educational system only can produce a Vice Chancellor [Anna University] who has the audacity
                                to defend the donation collected from Dow Chemicals.
                                 
                                You need such education?
                                 
                                Sankaran
                                 


                                 
                                On 7/6/10, Pankaj Jain <pjain2002@...> wrote:
                                 

                                Dear Naaz,

                                My suggestion has some nuances, though broadly, you get the drift of thinking.

                                I mean performance linked budget. It is difficult to link salary to performance, because the performance is produced by too many interacting people, some of whom perform well and some do not. Further, it is possible to show that apparently each has performed minimally well, still the minimum desired results are not produced. Knowing a bit about the way system function, I feel that accountability has to be pitched at the level of head of a system-group of people, who will take responsibility to deliver agreed results for a given budget. 

                                My feeling is that linking more than 5-10% budget to outcome will not be politically feasible, so let us keep it realistic.

                                Regarding assessment, your way of thinking is absolutely right.

                                Pankaj



                                --- On Mon, 7/5/10, naaz khair <naazkhair@...> wrote:

                                From: naaz khair <naazkhair@...>
                                Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                To: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com
                                Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 10:12 PM

                                 

                                Dear Pankaj,
                                 
                                Let me also try delving into your suggestion and in the process also seek a few clarifications. Do you mean linking 5-10% of the teacher and education officials 'Salary' budget to 'learning outcome'? Are you pointing towards a policy of performance based salaries? If this is the case, may be raise the percentage higher? Going by your understanding that money is short and results are poor, the need is to apply more pressure to get everyone on their feet.
                                 
                                And, I should think, the 'Assessment' can be done by an independent agency appointed by an all party parliamentary committee advised by non-governmental  education experts/practitione rs of the Country. NGO partners of the government would also like to stay out of this to make the whole enquiry impartial.
                                 
                                I agree with all the issues raised by members following your response to my mail.
                                 
                                Thank you and regards,
                                 
                                Naaz
                                 
                                 
                                 

                                 
                                On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:08 AM, Pankaj Jain <pjain2002@yahoo. com> wrote:
                                 

                                Sir/ Madam,

                                Most suggestions made for improving quality are good and in the right direction, but I am afraid that most of these may/ will not produce results in a time bound manner, so we shall keep loosing the future of those who keep crossing schooling threshold.

                                May be, a policy that links, say 5-10%, of budget to 'learning outcome', will have higher chance of success. When faced with the choice of not having money in the absence of success, mind and body will really concentrate to get the results. It simply means that a section will have to be set up in each State Government's education department to handle 5-10% of education budget that can be spent only when assured gains in children's learning takes place, assessed by an independent agency appointed by the Government. 

                                Pankaj Jain
                                 

                                --- On Sat, 7/3/10, naaz khair <naazkhair@gmail. com> wrote:

                                From: naaz khair <naazkhair@gmail. com>

                                Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                 
                                Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 1:56 PM

                                 

                                Dear All,
                                 
                                I have just returned from a long travel and eversince I have been mulling over this. I have read all the suggestions made so far. They are good.
                                 
                                Yes, high time we worked with a sense of purpose and met a deadline of minimum good quality education for 200 million children by 2020. As Pankaj says this is all the time we have before these children today in the age-group of 6-16 years reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossib le. 
                                 
                                If we fail to meet this deadline, we violate the fundamental right to education of as many as 200 million children and counting. Add to it the far reaching consequences the Country will have to face on the development front!
                                 
                                And, I hope, once a set of solutions is in sight, the media will play its part and prove itself for the children of India by actively tracking government pace and efforts to meet the dealine, just as it did for Delhi in case of the Common Wealth Games.
                                 
                                Now getting to the point, I humbly submit the following as the way to go in the next 3-5 years:
                                 
                                1. Put a cap on teacher transfers- a minimum of so many per state and no more. Transfers to be approved by the Chief Minister. The CMO to monitor teacher absenteeism and teacher punctuality, empowering SMC and Panchayat sub-committee on education for the purpose.
                                 
                                2. Give the same management autonomy as Kendriya Vidyalaya to the regular government schools.
                                 
                                3. Prestigious awards for best teacher in a cluster (CRC),  best school, best SMC, best Panchayat, best block, best district and best state!
                                 
                                4. Plumbers (like electricity linesmen ) to ensure proper working of drinking water facility in schools at all times. A sweeper per school to keep school premises and toilets clean. SMC to ensure consumables needed for maintenance and use are provided in case of both drinking water and toilets.
                                 
                                 5. A children's group (a group for children that is their own i.e. one which is not formed and led by teachers but facilitated by them) in each school to discuss and share a range of issues affecting them within and outside the school. Regular formal opportunities  for children through this group to present proposals to SMC and the government for implementation.
                                 
                                6. Education and related departments to ensure school facilities as mandated by the RTE is in place immediately - school library, computer room, playground etc.
                                 
                                Thank you and regards,
                                 
                                Naaz
                                 
                                 
                                On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Prof.Kalluri S.Rao <ksrsl@yahoo. com> wrote:
                                 

                                Yes I would add that this must be done apto atleast 7th class. Other langauages can be taught but Hindi should not be imposed on children at the expense of their mother tongue.
                                 
                                The problem of India is language and caste
                                 
                                KSRao


                                Kalluri Subba Rao., Ph.D., D.Sc.(IISc), FAS-AP, FAMS., FNASc.,FNA.Hon. Professor & INSA-Senior Scientist,Center for Biotechnology, Institute of Science and Technology (IST) , Jawaharlal Nehru Technological University, Kukatpally, Hyderabad-500085. Email:ksrsl@ yahoo.com

                                --- On Fri, 7/2/10, B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com> wrote:
                                 

                                From: B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com>
                                Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 12:03 PM


                                 
                                this is the most importatn and fundamental suggestion [ i agree with it totally]

                                Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue.[through mother tongue]

                                B.K.Passi

                                 


                                 


                                From: Shaheen Ansari <ansarishaheen@ gmail.com>
                                To: arkitectindia <arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com>
                                Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 11:51:48 AM
                                Subject: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                                 
                                FYI


                                From: Leena Prasad [mailto:leenadivansh@ gmail.com]
                                Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 08:22
                                To: Shaheen Ansari
                                Subject: Fwd: The future of 200 million Children

                                 
                                will you post this on your group in response to a mail asking for suggestions on RTE  - and may be add our volunteer Archana on it as well - 

                                ---------- Forwarded message ----------
                                From: ARCHANA RAVI <archa1982@gmail. com>
                                Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:08 PM
                                Subject: Re: The future of 200 million Children
                                To: Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com>

                                 
                                My suggestions are:
                                 
                                1. All teachers' vacancies should be filled as soon as possible. All contract teachers should be replaced by permanent teachers.
                                 
                                2. In schools where the student-teacher ratio is good, naturally the quality is better. Instead of having a school in every km, the rule should be a classroom for every 30 underprivileged children in the locality.
                                 
                                3. The government should set up a department in each panchayat/municipal ity that would do quarter-yearly door-to-door surveys to determine the status of children in the society. This department will identify out-of-school children and dropouts.
                                 
                                4. Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue. 
                                 
                                5. The syllabus in all schools - CBSE, ICSE or state - should be unified. If members of all these boards participate in the making of the syllabus, the resultant syllabus will be good. Teachers may be used to rot learning techniques. They should be trained to do their jobs without rot learning. 
                                 
                                 
                                There are more things that need to be done. Hygiene, for example, is  invariably terrible in all schools. Then the training of teachers - the SET exam syllabus. I have no idea how to change anything here. But they should consult experts in education and train teachers for their job.
                                 
                                I do not have the mail id to forward this to anyone. Can you do it for me? Also, should i ask others to participate?
                                 
                                Regards
                                archana 
                                 
                                 
                                 
                                 
                                 
                                 
                                 
                                 
                                 
                                 
                                 
                                 
                                 


                                 
                                On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com> wrote:
                                 
                                Hi

                                 
                                Would you like to give five suggestions as requested in this mail ... Think it will be nice for you to participate in this discussion as a citizen with great exp on education of children ...

                                Dear All,


                                India has around 230 million children currently in age group 6-16. In the next decade, all these would cross 16 years of age, and reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossible.

                                Of these, around 30 million would get a chance to study in reasonable to good to excellent quality schools, some in a few good Govt. schools, but mostly private fee charging schools, including those for upper income and elite groups.

                                Remaining 200 odd million, if ASER and other such official and non-official reports are correct, would receive very poor quality education in the bulk of average government schools or low cost private schools. With RTE provisions and criterion coming in force, it would not be legally feasible for low cost private schools to exist as recognized schools, so the bulk of responsibility of educating these 200 million children will be of Government Schools.

                                Most of us know, and agree, that average quality of education in most Government Schools is very bad, which means that 200 million of today's children will become adult without receiving a minimum quality school education, which will not only keep them poor and under-developed, but also lead to poor development of the country.

                                The only solution is to significantly improve the quality of Government schools, with 3-5 years.

                                I request and invite forum readers to give no more than 5 suggestions that would improve the quality of education in a time bound 3-5 years, so the improvements in learning levels of children can be measured in  concrete manner, by ASER or NCERT studies.

                                I hope this exercise of sifting through various actionable ideas would not only show a way to move forward, it will also make "Improvements in Govt. Schools within 3-5 years', a declared and formal policy agenda of the Government.

                                Pankaj Jain


                                Pankaj
                                 

                                 





                                --

                                Cheers
                                Leena




                                --
                                Creativity means to push open the heavy, groaning doorway to life… This is not an easy struggle. Indeed, it may be the most difficult task in the world, for opening the door to your own life is, in the end, more difficult than opening the doors to the mysteries of the universe.
                                                                                             -Dr. Daisaku Ikeda
                                 



                                --

                                Cheers
                                Leena




                                --
                                Dr. Shaheen Ansari
                                Arkitect India
                                C - 336 - ACD / 2 Z, Budha Vihar,(Opp. JNU Gate)
                                Munirka,New Delhi- 110067

                                http://educationatd oorsteps. blogspot. com
                                http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/arkitectin dia/






                                 
                                --
                                Naaz Khair
                                 




                                --
                                Naaz Khair





                                --
                                Naaz Khair
                              • Pankaj Jain
                                Dear Naaz,   The effective and decentralized decision making at the level of even Taluka Panchayat, leave alone any lower level, is incompatibe with our
                                Message 15 of 25 , Jul 7, 2010
                                  Dear Naaz,
                                   
                                  The effective and decentralized decision making at the level of even Taluka Panchayat, leave alone any lower level, is incompatibe with our current Government School system, which is designed as an integrated State level monopoly. Teachers are currently recruited by State system, and only posted at local body level. State level bodies take all critical decisions about the curriculum and resource-budget use.
                                   
                                  Transferring effective control over education to Panchayat body would require major restructuring that would be fierecely opposed by teachers' unions, and frankly, it would end up promoting PPP school model, which is easy to control by a local body. I am not sure, many forum members really want that.
                                   
                                  The brass-track of performance linked budget can vary, but in essence the budget would be approved for agencies with track record of qualiy performance, and renewal of budget over years, would be conditional to children attaining specified learning norms.
                                   
                                  pankaj   

                                  --- On Wed, 7/7/10, naaz khair <naazkhair@...> wrote:

                                  From: naaz khair <naazkhair@...>
                                  Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                  To: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com
                                  Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 12:37 PM

                                   
                                  Dear All,
                                   
                                  I would rather that Education is a Panchayat/Local bodies subject, which it actually is, under the 73rd/74th Amendment of the Constitution of India, but is not (in implementation) , because States and the Centre oppose the idea tooth and nail. States reverse any effort aimed at panchayat meaningfully assuming charge of primary education. In the process the educational needs of economically and socially marginalised communities remain un-addressed. Just now we have Centre, State and Local Bodies run schools and they are all at different levels, in my experience the Centre run schools in high priority compared to the State and Local Bodies run schools.
                                   
                                  But on the issue of performance linked budget, Pankaj, please explain the brass-tacks of the whole thing. How do you visualise it could happen? What would it involve?
                                   
                                  Regards,
                                   
                                  Naaz
                                   
                                   
                                   
                                   
                                  On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 10:38 PM, psn.1946 <psn.1946@gmail. com> wrote:
                                   
                                  Education is a state subject. What is the role of a Parliamentary Committee here?
                                   
                                  It is a great injustice that education has been included in the concurrent list.
                                  It must be set right at once.
                                   
                                  Even state ministers and secys do not understand the dist-wise educational needs.
                                  How can a Kapil Sibal and a few ivory tower secys in Delhi understand what type of education is
                                  needed by my village, taluk and dist?
                                   
                                  India is a sub-continent. You can't have a uniform syllabus from Kashmir to Kanyakumari.
                                   
                                  Education is for creative living. Definitely not to create rank slaves and cyber coolies to serve
                                  alien banias within and without.
                                   
                                  Our educational system only can produce a Vice Chancellor [Anna University] who has the audacity
                                  to defend the donation collected from Dow Chemicals.
                                   
                                  You need such education?
                                   
                                  Sankaran
                                   


                                   
                                  On 7/6/10, Pankaj Jain <pjain2002@yahoo. com> wrote:
                                   
                                  Dear Naaz,

                                  My suggestion has some nuances, though broadly, you get the drift of thinking.

                                  I mean performance linked budget. It is difficult to link salary to performance, because the performance is produced by too many interacting people, some of whom perform well and some do not. Further, it is possible to show that apparently each has performed minimally well, still the minimum desired results are not produced. Knowing a bit about the way system function, I feel that accountability has to be pitched at the level of head of a system-group of people, who will take responsibility to deliver agreed results for a given budget. 

                                  My feeling is that linking more than 5-10% budget to outcome will not be politically feasible, so let us keep it realistic.

                                  Regarding assessment, your way of thinking is absolutely right.

                                  Pankaj



                                  --- On Mon, 7/5/10, naaz khair <naazkhair@gmail. com> wrote:

                                  From: naaz khair <naazkhair@gmail. com>
                                  Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                  To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                  Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 10:12 PM

                                   
                                  Dear Pankaj,
                                   
                                  Let me also try delving into your suggestion and in the process also seek a few clarifications. Do you mean linking 5-10% of the teacher and education officials 'Salary' budget to 'learning outcome'? Are you pointing towards a policy of performance based salaries? If this is the case, may be raise the percentage higher? Going by your understanding that money is short and results are poor, the need is to apply more pressure to get everyone on their feet.
                                   
                                  And, I should think, the 'Assessment' can be done by an independent agency appointed by an all party parliamentary committee advised by non-governmental  education experts/practitione rs of the Country. NGO partners of the government would also like to stay out of this to make the whole enquiry impartial.
                                   
                                  I agree with all the issues raised by members following your response to my mail.
                                   
                                  Thank you and regards,
                                   
                                  Naaz
                                   
                                   
                                   

                                   
                                  On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:08 AM, Pankaj Jain <pjain2002@yahoo. com> wrote:
                                   
                                  Sir/ Madam,

                                  Most suggestions made for improving quality are good and in the right direction, but I am afraid that most of these may/ will not produce results in a time bound manner, so we shall keep loosing the future of those who keep crossing schooling threshold.

                                  May be, a policy that links, say 5-10%, of budget to 'learning outcome', will have higher chance of success. When faced with the choice of not having money in the absence of success, mind and body will really concentrate to get the results. It simply means that a section will have to be set up in each State Government's education department to handle 5-10% of education budget that can be spent only when assured gains in children's learning takes place, assessed by an independent agency appointed by the Government. 

                                  Pankaj Jain
                                   

                                  --- On Sat, 7/3/10, naaz khair <naazkhair@gmail. com> wrote:

                                  From: naaz khair <naazkhair@gmail. com>

                                  Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                  To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                   
                                  Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 1:56 PM

                                   
                                  Dear All,
                                   
                                  I have just returned from a long travel and eversince I have been mulling over this. I have read all the suggestions made so far. They are good.
                                   
                                  Yes, high time we worked with a sense of purpose and met a deadline of minimum good quality education for 200 million children by 2020. As Pankaj says this is all the time we have before these children today in the age-group of 6-16 years reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossib le. 
                                   
                                  If we fail to meet this deadline, we violate the fundamental right to education of as many as 200 million children and counting. Add to it the far reaching consequences the Country will have to face on the development front!
                                   
                                  And, I hope, once a set of solutions is in sight, the media will play its part and prove itself for the children of India by actively tracking government pace and efforts to meet the dealine, just as it did for Delhi in case of the Common Wealth Games.
                                   
                                  Now getting to the point, I humbly submit the following as the way to go in the next 3-5 years:
                                   
                                  1. Put a cap on teacher transfers- a minimum of so many per state and no more. Transfers to be approved by the Chief Minister. The CMO to monitor teacher absenteeism and teacher punctuality, empowering SMC and Panchayat sub-committee on education for the purpose.
                                   
                                  2. Give the same management autonomy as Kendriya Vidyalaya to the regular government schools.
                                   
                                  3. Prestigious awards for best teacher in a cluster (CRC),  best school, best SMC, best Panchayat, best block, best district and best state!
                                   
                                  4. Plumbers (like electricity linesmen ) to ensure proper working of drinking water facility in schools at all times. A sweeper per school to keep school premises and toilets clean. SMC to ensure consumables needed for maintenance and use are provided in case of both drinking water and toilets.
                                   
                                   5. A children's group (a group for children that is their own i.e. one which is not formed and led by teachers but facilitated by them) in each school to discuss and share a range of issues affecting them within and outside the school. Regular formal opportunities  for children through this group to present proposals to SMC and the government for implementation.
                                   
                                  6. Education and related departments to ensure school facilities as mandated by the RTE is in place immediately - school library, computer room, playground etc.
                                   
                                  Thank you and regards,
                                   
                                  Naaz
                                   
                                   
                                  On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Prof.Kalluri S.Rao <ksrsl@yahoo. com> wrote:
                                   
                                  Yes I would add that this must be done apto atleast 7th class. Other langauages can be taught but Hindi should not be imposed on children at the expense of their mother tongue.
                                   
                                  The problem of India is language and caste
                                   
                                  KSRao


                                  Kalluri Subba Rao., Ph.D., D.Sc.(IISc), FAS-AP, FAMS., FNASc.,FNA.Hon. Professor & INSA-Senior Scientist,Center for Biotechnology, Institute of Science and Technology (IST) , Jawaharlal Nehru Technological University, Kukatpally, Hyderabad-500085. Email:ksrsl@ yahoo.com

                                  --- On Fri, 7/2/10, B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com> wrote:
                                   

                                  From: B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com>
                                  Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                  To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                  Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 12:03 PM


                                   
                                  this is the most importatn and fundamental suggestion [ i agree with it totally]

                                  Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue.[through mother tongue]

                                  B.K.Passi

                                   


                                   


                                  From: Shaheen Ansari <ansarishaheen@ gmail.com>
                                  To: arkitectindia <arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com>
                                  Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 11:51:48 AM
                                  Subject: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                                   
                                  FYI


                                  From: Leena Prasad [mailto:leenadivansh@ gmail.com]
                                  Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 08:22
                                  To: Shaheen Ansari
                                  Subject: Fwd: The future of 200 million Children

                                   
                                  will you post this on your group in response to a mail asking for suggestions on RTE  - and may be add our volunteer Archana on it as well - 

                                  ---------- Forwarded message ----------
                                  From: ARCHANA RAVI <archa1982@gmail. com>
                                  Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:08 PM
                                  Subject: Re: The future of 200 million Children
                                  To: Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com>

                                   
                                  My suggestions are:
                                   
                                  1. All teachers' vacancies should be filled as soon as possible. All contract teachers should be replaced by permanent teachers.
                                   
                                  2. In schools where the student-teacher ratio is good, naturally the quality is better. Instead of having a school in every km, the rule should be a classroom for every 30 underprivileged children in the locality.
                                   
                                  3. The government should set up a department in each panchayat/municipal ity that would do quarter-yearly door-to-door surveys to determine the status of children in the society. This department will identify out-of-school children and dropouts.
                                   
                                  4. Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue. 
                                   
                                  5. The syllabus in all schools - CBSE, ICSE or state - should be unified. If members of all these boards participate in the making of the syllabus, the resultant syllabus will be good. Teachers may be used to rot learning techniques. They should be trained to do their jobs without rot learning. 
                                   
                                   
                                  There are more things that need to be done. Hygiene, for example, is  invariably terrible in all schools. Then the training of teachers - the SET exam syllabus. I have no idea how to change anything here. But they should consult experts in education and train teachers for their job.
                                   
                                  I do not have the mail id to forward this to anyone. Can you do it for me? Also, should i ask others to participate?
                                   
                                  Regards
                                  archana 
                                   
                                   
                                   
                                   
                                   
                                   
                                   
                                   
                                   
                                   
                                   
                                   
                                   


                                   
                                  On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com> wrote:
                                   
                                  Hi

                                   
                                  Would you like to give five suggestions as requested in this mail ... Think it will be nice for you to participate in this discussion as a citizen with great exp on education of children ...

                                  Dear All,


                                  India has around 230 million children currently in age group 6-16. In the next decade, all these would cross 16 years of age, and reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossible.

                                  Of these, around 30 million would get a chance to study in reasonable to good to excellent quality schools, some in a few good Govt. schools, but mostly private fee charging schools, including those for upper income and elite groups.

                                  Remaining 200 odd million, if ASER and other such official and non-official reports are correct, would receive very poor quality education in the bulk of average government schools or low cost private schools. With RTE provisions and criterion coming in force, it would not be legally feasible for low cost private schools to exist as recognized schools, so the bulk of responsibility of educating these 200 million children will be of Government Schools.

                                  Most of us know, and agree, that average quality of education in most Government Schools is very bad, which means that 200 million of today's children will become adult without receiving a minimum quality school education, which will not only keep them poor and under-developed, but also lead to poor development of the country.

                                  The only solution is to significantly improve the quality of Government schools, with 3-5 years.

                                  I request and invite forum readers to give no more than 5 suggestions that would improve the quality of education in a time bound 3-5 years, so the improvements in learning levels of children can be measured in  concrete manner, by ASER or NCERT studies.

                                  I hope this exercise of sifting through various actionable ideas would not only show a way to move forward, it will also make "Improvements in Govt. Schools within 3-5 years', a declared and formal policy agenda of the Government.

                                  Pankaj Jain


                                  Pankaj
                                   

                                   





                                  --

                                  Cheers
                                  Leena




                                  --
                                  Creativity means to push open the heavy, groaning doorway to life… This is not an easy struggle. Indeed, it may be the most difficult task in the world, for opening the door to your own life is, in the end, more difficult than opening the doors to the mysteries of the universe.
                                                                                               -Dr. Daisaku Ikeda
                                   



                                  --

                                  Cheers
                                  Leena




                                  --
                                  Dr. Shaheen Ansari
                                  Arkitect India
                                  C - 336 - ACD / 2 Z, Budha Vihar,(Opp. JNU Gate)
                                  Munirka,New Delhi- 110067

                                  http://educationatd oorsteps. blogspot. com
                                  http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/arkitectin dia/






                                   --
                                  Naaz Khair
                                   



                                  --
                                  Naaz Khair





                                  --
                                  Naaz Khair

                                • ARCHANA RAVI
                                  Hi, Forgive my ignorance. Are you suggesting to let out education to private agencies? Also, who would monitor the working of schools? The current system
                                  Message 16 of 25 , Jul 8, 2010
                                    Hi,
                                     
                                    Forgive my ignorance. Are you suggesting to 'let out' education to private agencies?
                                     
                                    Also, who would monitor the working of schools? The current system already has a feature to do this. It's known by the name of an education inspector. I'm yet to meet one in person. But they are rumoured to be a little too silent. Perhaps because they think that nothing would change. Perhaps because they are too afraid to speak out.
                                     
                                    No doubt, there should be a monitoring authority.
                                     
                                    Apparently, in SSA, there is a provision for the public to monitor schools. But i am not sure about it. I also don't know how it works. Since i am no expert, i am planning to ask them directly - through an RTI perhaps. But does anyone else know anything about this? Do help!
                                     
                                    Regards
                                    archana
                                     
                                     
                                     
                                     
                                     


                                     
                                    On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Pankaj Jain <pjain2002@...> wrote:
                                     

                                    Dear Naaz,
                                     
                                    The effective and decentralized decision making at the level of even Taluka Panchayat, leave alone any lower level, is incompatibe with our current Government School system, which is designed as an integrated State level monopoly. Teachers are currently recruited by State system, and only posted at local body level. State level bodies take all critical decisions about the curriculum and resource-budget use.
                                     
                                    Transferring effective control over education to Panchayat body would require major restructuring that would be fierecely opposed by teachers' unions, and frankly, it would end up promoting PPP school model, which is easy to control by a local body. I am not sure, many forum members really want that.
                                     
                                    The brass-track of performance linked budget can vary, but in essence the budget would be approved for agencies with track record of qualiy performance, and renewal of budget over years, would be conditional to children attaining specified learning norms.
                                     
                                    pankaj   


                                    --- On Wed, 7/7/10, naaz khair <naazkhair@...> wrote:

                                    From: naaz khair <naazkhair@...>
                                    Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                    To: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com
                                    Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 12:37 PM


                                     
                                    Dear All,
                                     
                                    I would rather that Education is a Panchayat/Local bodies subject, which it actually is, under the 73rd/74th Amendment of the Constitution of India, but is not (in implementation) , because States and the Centre oppose the idea tooth and nail. States reverse any effort aimed at panchayat meaningfully assuming charge of primary education. In the process the educational needs of economically and socially marginalised communities remain un-addressed. Just now we have Centre, State and Local Bodies run schools and they are all at different levels, in my experience the Centre run schools in high priority compared to the State and Local Bodies run schools.
                                     
                                    But on the issue of performance linked budget, Pankaj, please explain the brass-tacks of the whole thing. How do you visualise it could happen? What would it involve?
                                     
                                    Regards,
                                     
                                    Naaz
                                     
                                     
                                     
                                     
                                    On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 10:38 PM, psn.1946 <psn.1946@gmail. com> wrote:
                                     
                                    Education is a state subject. What is the role of a Parliamentary Committee here?
                                     
                                    It is a great injustice that education has been included in the concurrent list.
                                    It must be set right at once.
                                     
                                    Even state ministers and secys do not understand the dist-wise educational needs.
                                    How can a Kapil Sibal and a few ivory tower secys in Delhi understand what type of education is
                                    needed by my village, taluk and dist?
                                     
                                    India is a sub-continent. You can't have a uniform syllabus from Kashmir to Kanyakumari.
                                     
                                    Education is for creative living. Definitely not to create rank slaves and cyber coolies to serve
                                    alien banias within and without.
                                     
                                    Our educational system only can produce a Vice Chancellor [Anna University] who has the audacity
                                    to defend the donation collected from Dow Chemicals.
                                     
                                    You need such education?
                                     
                                    Sankaran
                                     


                                     
                                    On 7/6/10, Pankaj Jain <pjain2002@yahoo. com> wrote:
                                     
                                    Dear Naaz,

                                    My suggestion has some nuances, though broadly, you get the drift of thinking.

                                    I mean performance linked budget. It is difficult to link salary to performance, because the performance is produced by too many interacting people, some of whom perform well and some do not. Further, it is possible to show that apparently each has performed minimally well, still the minimum desired results are not produced. Knowing a bit about the way system function, I feel that accountability has to be pitched at the level of head of a system-group of people, who will take responsibility to deliver agreed results for a given budget. 

                                    My feeling is that linking more than 5-10% budget to outcome will not be politically feasible, so let us keep it realistic.

                                    Regarding assessment, your way of thinking is absolutely right.

                                    Pankaj



                                    --- On Mon, 7/5/10, naaz khair <naazkhair@gmail. com> wrote:

                                    From: naaz khair <naazkhair@gmail. com>
                                    Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                    To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                    Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 10:12 PM

                                     
                                    Dear Pankaj,
                                     
                                    Let me also try delving into your suggestion and in the process also seek a few clarifications. Do you mean linking 5-10% of the teacher and education officials 'Salary' budget to 'learning outcome'? Are you pointing towards a policy of performance based salaries? If this is the case, may be raise the percentage higher? Going by your understanding that money is short and results are poor, the need is to apply more pressure to get everyone on their feet.
                                     
                                    And, I should think, the 'Assessment' can be done by an independent agency appointed by an all party parliamentary committee advised by non-governmental  education experts/practitione rs of the Country. NGO partners of the government would also like to stay out of this to make the whole enquiry impartial.
                                     
                                    I agree with all the issues raised by members following your response to my mail.
                                     
                                    Thank you and regards,
                                     
                                    Naaz
                                     
                                     
                                     

                                     
                                    On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:08 AM, Pankaj Jain <pjain2002@yahoo. com> wrote:
                                     
                                    Sir/ Madam,

                                    Most suggestions made for improving quality are good and in the right direction, but I am afraid that most of these may/ will not produce results in a time bound manner, so we shall keep loosing the future of those who keep crossing schooling threshold.

                                    May be, a policy that links, say 5-10%, of budget to 'learning outcome', will have higher chance of success. When faced with the choice of not having money in the absence of success, mind and body will really concentrate to get the results. It simply means that a section will have to be set up in each State Government's education department to handle 5-10% of education budget that can be spent only when assured gains in children's learning takes place, assessed by an independent agency appointed by the Government. 

                                    Pankaj Jain
                                     

                                    --- On Sat, 7/3/10, naaz khair <naazkhair@gmail. com> wrote:

                                    From: naaz khair <naazkhair@gmail. com>

                                    Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                    To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                     
                                    Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 1:56 PM

                                     
                                    Dear All,
                                     
                                    I have just returned from a long travel and eversince I have been mulling over this. I have read all the suggestions made so far. They are good.
                                     
                                    Yes, high time we worked with a sense of purpose and met a deadline of minimum good quality education for 200 million children by 2020. As Pankaj says this is all the time we have before these children today in the age-group of 6-16 years reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossib le. 
                                     
                                    If we fail to meet this deadline, we violate the fundamental right to education of as many as 200 million children and counting. Add to it the far reaching consequences the Country will have to face on the development front!
                                     
                                    And, I hope, once a set of solutions is in sight, the media will play its part and prove itself for the children of India by actively tracking government pace and efforts to meet the dealine, just as it did for Delhi in case of the Common Wealth Games.
                                     
                                    Now getting to the point, I humbly submit the following as the way to go in the next 3-5 years:
                                     
                                    1. Put a cap on teacher transfers- a minimum of so many per state and no more. Transfers to be approved by the Chief Minister. The CMO to monitor teacher absenteeism and teacher punctuality, empowering SMC and Panchayat sub-committee on education for the purpose.
                                     
                                    2. Give the same management autonomy as Kendriya Vidyalaya to the regular government schools.
                                     
                                    3. Prestigious awards for best teacher in a cluster (CRC),  best school, best SMC, best Panchayat, best block, best district and best state!
                                     
                                    4. Plumbers (like electricity linesmen ) to ensure proper working of drinking water facility in schools at all times. A sweeper per school to keep school premises and toilets clean. SMC to ensure consumables needed for maintenance and use are provided in case of both drinking water and toilets.
                                     
                                     5. A children's group (a group for children that is their own i.e. one which is not formed and led by teachers but facilitated by them) in each school to discuss and share a range of issues affecting them within and outside the school. Regular formal opportunities  for children through this group to present proposals to SMC and the government for implementation.
                                     
                                    6. Education and related departments to ensure school facilities as mandated by the RTE is in place immediately - school library, computer room, playground etc.
                                     
                                    Thank you and regards,
                                     
                                    Naaz
                                     
                                     
                                    On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Prof.Kalluri S.Rao <ksrsl@yahoo. com> wrote:
                                     
                                    Yes I would add that this must be done apto atleast 7th class. Other langauages can be taught but Hindi should not be imposed on children at the expense of their mother tongue.
                                     
                                    The problem of India is language and caste
                                     
                                    KSRao


                                    Kalluri Subba Rao., Ph.D., D.Sc.(IISc), FAS-AP, FAMS., FNASc.,FNA.Hon. Professor & INSA-Senior Scientist,Center for Biotechnology, Institute of Science and Technology (IST) , Jawaharlal Nehru Technological University, Kukatpally, Hyderabad-500085. Email:ksrsl@ yahoo.com

                                    --- On Fri, 7/2/10, B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com> wrote:
                                     

                                    From: B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com>
                                    Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                    To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                    Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 12:03 PM


                                     
                                    this is the most importatn and fundamental suggestion [ i agree with it totally]

                                    Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue.[through mother tongue]

                                    B.K.Passi

                                     


                                     


                                    From: Shaheen Ansari <ansarishaheen@ gmail.com>
                                    To: arkitectindia <arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com>
                                    Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 11:51:48 AM
                                    Subject: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                                     
                                    FYI


                                    From: Leena Prasad [mailto:leenadivansh@ gmail.com]
                                    Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 08:22
                                    To: Shaheen Ansari
                                    Subject: Fwd: The future of 200 million Children

                                     
                                    will you post this on your group in response to a mail asking for suggestions on RTE  - and may be add our volunteer Archana on it as well - 

                                    ---------- Forwarded message ----------
                                    From: ARCHANA RAVI <archa1982@gmail. com>
                                    Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:08 PM
                                    Subject: Re: The future of 200 million Children
                                    To: Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com>

                                     
                                    My suggestions are:
                                     
                                    1. All teachers' vacancies should be filled as soon as possible. All contract teachers should be replaced by permanent teachers.
                                     
                                    2. In schools where the student-teacher ratio is good, naturally the quality is better. Instead of having a school in every km, the rule should be a classroom for every 30 underprivileged children in the locality.
                                     
                                    3. The government should set up a department in each panchayat/municipal ity that would do quarter-yearly door-to-door surveys to determine the status of children in the society. This department will identify out-of-school children and dropouts.
                                     
                                    4. Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue. 
                                     
                                    5. The syllabus in all schools - CBSE, ICSE or state - should be unified. If members of all these boards participate in the making of the syllabus, the resultant syllabus will be good. Teachers may be used to rot learning techniques. They should be trained to do their jobs without rot learning. 
                                     
                                     
                                    There are more things that need to be done. Hygiene, for example, is  invariably terrible in all schools. Then the training of teachers - the SET exam syllabus. I have no idea how to change anything here. But they should consult experts in education and train teachers for their job.
                                     
                                    I do not have the mail id to forward this to anyone. Can you do it for me? Also, should i ask others to participate?
                                     
                                    Regards
                                    archana 
                                     
                                     
                                     
                                     
                                     
                                     
                                     
                                     
                                     
                                     
                                     
                                     
                                     


                                     
                                    On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com> wrote:
                                     
                                    Hi

                                     
                                    Would you like to give five suggestions as requested in this mail ... Think it will be nice for you to participate in this discussion as a citizen with great exp on education of children ...

                                    Dear All,


                                    India has around 230 million children currently in age group 6-16. In the next decade, all these would cross 16 years of age, and reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossible.

                                    Of these, around 30 million would get a chance to study in reasonable to good to excellent quality schools, some in a few good Govt. schools, but mostly private fee charging schools, including those for upper income and elite groups.

                                    Remaining 200 odd million, if ASER and other such official and non-official reports are correct, would receive very poor quality education in the bulk of average government schools or low cost private schools. With RTE provisions and criterion coming in force, it would not be legally feasible for low cost private schools to exist as recognized schools, so the bulk of responsibility of educating these 200 million children will be of Government Schools.

                                    Most of us know, and agree, that average quality of education in most Government Schools is very bad, which means that 200 million of today's children will become adult without receiving a minimum quality school education, which will not only keep them poor and under-developed, but also lead to poor development of the country.

                                    The only solution is to significantly improve the quality of Government schools, with 3-5 years.

                                    I request and invite forum readers to give no more than 5 suggestions that would improve the quality of education in a time bound 3-5 years, so the improvements in learning levels of children can be measured in  concrete manner, by ASER or NCERT studies.

                                    I hope this exercise of sifting through various actionable ideas would not only show a way to move forward, it will also make "Improvements in Govt. Schools within 3-5 years', a declared and formal policy agenda of the Government.

                                    Pankaj Jain


                                    Pankaj
                                     

                                     





                                    --

                                    Cheers
                                    Leena




                                    --
                                    Creativity means to push open the heavy, groaning doorway to life… This is not an easy struggle. Indeed, it may be the most difficult task in the world, for opening the door to your own life is, in the end, more difficult than opening the doors to the mysteries of the universe.
                                                                                                 -Dr. Daisaku Ikeda
                                     



                                    --

                                    Cheers
                                    Leena




                                    --
                                    Dr. Shaheen Ansari
                                    Arkitect India
                                    C - 336 - ACD / 2 Z, Budha Vihar,(Opp. JNU Gate)
                                    Munirka,New Delhi- 110067

                                    http://educationatd oorsteps. blogspot. com
                                    http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/arkitectin dia/






                                     --
                                    Naaz Khair
                                     



                                    --
                                    Naaz Khair





                                    --
                                    Naaz Khair




                                    --
                                    Creativity means to push open the heavy, groaning doorway to life… This is not an easy struggle. Indeed, it may be the most difficult task in the world, for opening the door to your own life is, in the end, more difficult than opening the doors to the mysteries of the universe.
                                                                                                 -Dr. Daisaku Ikeda
                                  • Anjela Taneja
                                    Dear Pankaj, The discontent with the present system is understandable. However, recommending something that has been shown to fail as a replacement - merit pay
                                    Message 17 of 25 , Jul 11, 2010

                                      Dear Pankaj,

                                       

                                      The discontent with the present system is understandable. However, recommending something that has been shown to fail as a replacement – merit pay for performance on achievement tests etc etc – is not a solution either.

                                       

                                      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/diane-ravitch/first-lets-fire-all-the-t_b_483074.html

                                      http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/Bridging-Differences/2010/06/the_great_accountability_hoax.html

                                       

                                      The above links give a reasonably good summary of the anti argument written by someone who had supported these policies in the US and has since been convinced by the evidence that it simply is not working.  

                                       

                                      As to the agenda for reform, again let’s refer to what people are saying in the country that is already practicing what is being proposed as a “new idea” in India :

                                      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/01/AR2010040101468.html

                                       

                                      All are popular references, but are backed by research. The person writing them happens to be someone who helped set up these policies as part of both George Bush (elder) and Bill Clinton’s administrations. She is also an established academic. The credentials of the researcher concerned are therefore impeccable.

                                       

                                      Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

                                      Anjela R V Taneja
                                      Program Officer, Education Theme,
                                      ActionAid India Country Office
                                      Mobile: 09958087043


                                      From: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pankaj Jain
                                      Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 6:00 PM
                                      To: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com
                                      Subject: RE: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                                       

                                       

                                      Dear Anjela and All,

                                      I do not have a solution to this big problem, I only have a concern which, I think, is shared by large many.

                                      I tried to initiate the discussion to stimulate each other's thinking, and some of us might also act on these thoughts.

                                      Regarding the specific idea of outcome assessment, it is only one systemic way to hold people accountable for their claims, whatever these are. If you have a better way to ensure accountability, which goes beyound unverifiable claims, please do share that with us all. Otherwise, the exercise would just remain empty slogans and claims. It alsoi brings into operation the concern to achieve the goal in a time-bound fashion.

                                      Pankaj
                                       
                                       

                                      --- On Mon, 7/5/10, Anjela Taneja <Anjela.Taneja@ actionaid. org> wrote:


                                      From: Anjela Taneja <Anjela.Taneja@ actionaid. org>
                                      Subject: RE: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                      To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                      Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 11:34 AM

                                       

                                      Dear Pankaj,

                                       

                                      I am unable to understand the rationale of asking others for suggestions, when you proceed to ignore everything others suggest.  However, since you seem to have an idea of investing a tenth of the budget on “learning outcomes” measured by “standardized testing”, it would be useful to understand what sort of activities would you intend those to be- that is apart from the hiring of trained teachers, strengthening teacher training, strengthening decentralization and accountability mechanisms and ensuring availability of learning materials (and overall school infrastructure) in the classroom. All of these have been suggested by multiple posters on this forum and have been rejected by you as inadequate and/or impractical.

                                       

                                      However, while you go on to describe your agenda, a quick comment on the use of standardized testing to measure quality. It is arguably the most highly opposed policy in the west (googling for costs of high stakes testing gives 120,000 hits in 0.17 seconds). These include, discrimination against schools with minority (read dalit) populations (which would start with lower test scores), discrimination against minority (read dalit and adivasi) pupils who potentially may pull the school result down, promotion of cheating and corruption (to ensure that the result is maintained), pulling precious resources from teaching (which improves performance) to testing (which only measures it), and has negative impact on the child’s morale (having low performance drilled into you every time), impacting the ability of teachers to innovate (since they have to teach for the “test”) and has converted the process of education into merely achieving marketable basic competencies (in contrast to holistic child development) . Thing is, apart from all this- it is also questionable if the learning levels are actually improving across the board. Consequently, it would be essential to take the current enthusiasm about “testing”, “outcomes” and other related issues with a pinch of salt learning from the countries where this practice was started first.

                                      Anjela R V Taneja
                                      Program Officer, Education Theme,
                                      ActionAid India Country Office
                                      Mobile: 09958087043


                                      From: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:arkitectind ia@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Pankaj Jain
                                      Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 7:09 AM
                                      To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                      Subject: Re: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                                       

                                       

                                      Sir/ Madam,

                                      Most suggestions made for improving quality are good and in the right direction, but I am afraid that most of these may/ will not produce results in a time bound manner, so we shall keep loosing the future of those who keep crossing schooling threshold.

                                      May be, a policy that links, say 5-10%, of budget to 'learning outcome', will have higher chance of success. When faced with the choice of not having money in the absence of success, mind and body will really concentrate to get the results. It simply means that a section will have to be set up in each State Government's education department to handle 5-10% of education budget that can be spent only when assured gains in children's learning takes place, assessed by an independent agency appointed by the Government. 

                                      Pankaj Jain
                                       

                                      --- On Sat, 7/3/10, naaz khair <naazkhair@gmail. com> wrote:


                                      From: naaz khair <naazkhair@gmail. com>
                                      Subject: Re: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                      To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                      Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 1:56 PM

                                       

                                      Dear All,

                                       

                                      I have just returned from a long travel and eversince I have been mulling over this. I have read all the suggestions made so far. They are good.

                                       

                                      Yes, high time we worked with a sense of purpose and met a deadline of minimum good quality education for 200 million children by 2020. As Pankaj says this is all the time we have before these children today in the age-group of 6-16 years reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossib le. 

                                       

                                      If we fail to meet this deadline, we violate the fundamental right to education of as many as 200 million children and counting. Add to it the far reaching consequences the Country will have to face on the development front!

                                       

                                      And, I hope, once a set of solutions is in sight, the media will play its part and prove itself for the children of India by actively tracking government pace and efforts to meet the dealine, just as it did for Delhi in case of the Common Wealth Games.

                                       

                                      Now getting to the point, I humbly submit the following as the way to go in the next 3-5 years:

                                       

                                      1. Put a cap on teacher transfers- a minimum of so many per state and no more. Transfers to be approved by the Chief Minister. The CMO to monitor teacher absenteeism and teacher punctuality, empowering SMC and Panchayat sub-committee on education for the purpose.

                                       

                                      2. Give the same management autonomy as Kendriya Vidyalaya to the regular government schools.

                                       

                                      3. Prestigious awards for best teacher in a cluster (CRC),  best school, best SMC, best Panchayat, best block, best district and best state!

                                       

                                      4. Plumbers (like electricity linesmen ) to ensure proper working of drinking water facility in schools at all times. A sweeper per school to keep school premises and toilets clean. SMC to ensure consumables needed for maintenance and use are provided in case of both drinking water and toilets.

                                       

                                       5. A children's group (a group for children that is their own i.e. one which is not formed and led by teachers but facilitated by them) in each school to discuss and share a range of issues affecting them within and outside the school. Regular formal opportunities  for children through this group to present proposals to SMC and the government for implementation.

                                       

                                      6. Education and related departments to ensure school facilities as mandated by the RTE is in place immediately - school library, computer room, playground etc.

                                       

                                      Thank you and regards,

                                       

                                      Naaz

                                       

                                       

                                      On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Prof.Kalluri S.Rao <ksrsl@yahoo. com> wrote:

                                       

                                      Yes I would add that this must be done apto atleast 7th class. Other langauages can be taught but Hindi should not be imposed on children at the expense of their mother tongue.

                                       

                                      The problem of India is language and caste

                                       

                                      KSRao



                                      Kalluri Subba Rao., Ph.D., D.Sc.(IISc), FAS-AP, FAMS., FNASc.,FNA.Hon. Professor & INSA-Senior Scientist,Center for Biotechnology, Institute of Science and Technology (IST) , Jawaharlal Nehru Technological University, Kukatpally, Hyderabad-500085. Email:ksrsl@ yahoo.com

                                      --- On Fri, 7/2/10, B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com> wrote:


                                      From: B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com>
                                      Subject: Re: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                      To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                      Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 12:03 PM

                                       

                                       

                                      this is the most importatn and fundamental suggestion [ i agree with it totally]

                                      Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue.[through mother tongue]

                                      B.K.Passi

                                       

                                       

                                       


                                      From: Shaheen Ansari <ansarishaheen@ gmail.com>
                                      To: arkitectindia <arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com>
                                      Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 11:51:48 AM
                                      Subject: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                                       

                                      FYI

                                       


                                      From: Leena Prasad [mailto:leenadivansh@ gmail.com]
                                      Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 08:22
                                      To: Shaheen Ansari
                                      Subject: Fwd: The future of 200 million Children

                                      will you post this on your group in response to a mail asking for suggestions on RTE  - and may be add our volunteer Archana on it as well - 

                                      ---------- Forwarded message ----------
                                      From: ARCHANA RAVI <archa1982@gmail. com>
                                      Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:08 PM
                                      Subject: Re: The future of 200 million Children
                                      To: Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com>

                                       

                                      My suggestions are:

                                       

                                      1. All teachers' vacancies should be filled as soon as possible. All contract teachers should be replaced by permanent teachers.

                                       

                                      2. In schools where the student-teacher ratio is good, naturally the quality is better. Instead of having a school in every km, the rule should be a classroom for every 30 underprivileged children in the locality.

                                       

                                      3. The government should set up a department in each panchayat/municipal ity that would do quarter-yearly door-to-door surveys to determine the status of children in the society. This department will identify out-of-school children and dropouts.

                                       

                                      4. Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue. 

                                       

                                      5. The syllabus in all schools - CBSE, ICSE or state - should be unified. If members of all these boards participate in the making of the syllabus, the resultant syllabus will be good. Teachers may be used to rot learning techniques. They should be trained to do their jobs without rot learning. 

                                       

                                       

                                      There are more things that need to be done. Hygiene, for example, is  invariably terrible in all schools. Then the training of teachers - the SET exam syllabus. I have no idea how to change anything here. But they should consult experts in education and train teachers for their job.

                                       

                                      I do not have the mail id to forward this to anyone. Can you do it for me? Also, should i ask others to participate?

                                       

                                      Regards

                                      archana 

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                       



                                       

                                      On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com> wrote:

                                      Hi

                                       

                                      Would you like to give five suggestions as requested in this mail ... Think it will be nice for you to participate in this discussion as a citizen with great exp on education of children ...

                                      Dear All,


                                      India has around 230 million children currently in age group 6-16. In the next decade, all these would cross 16 years of age, and reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossible.

                                      Of these, around 30 million would get a chance to study in reasonable to good to excellent quality schools, some in a few good Govt. schools, but mostly private fee charging schools, including those for upper income and elite groups.

                                      Remaining 200 odd million, if ASER and other such official and non-official reports are correct, would receive very poor quality education in the bulk of average government schools or low cost private schools. With RTE provisions and criterion coming in force, it would not be legally feasible for low cost private schools to exist as recognized schools, so the bulk of responsibility of educating these 200 million children will be of Government Schools.

                                      Most of us know, and agree, that average quality of education in most Government Schools is very bad, which means that 200 million of today's children will become adult without receiving a minimum quality school education, which will not only keep them poor and under-developed, but also lead to poor development of the country.

                                      The only solution is to significantly improve the quality of Government schools, with 3-5 years.

                                      I request and invite forum readers to give no more than 5 suggestions that would improve the quality of education in a time bound 3-5 years, so the improvements in learning levels of children can be measured in  concrete manner, by ASER or NCERT studies.

                                      I hope this exercise of sifting through various actionable ideas would not only show a way to move forward, it will also make "Improvements in Govt. Schools within 3-5 years', a declared and formal policy agenda of the Government.

                                      Pankaj Jain


                                      Pankaj
                                       

                                       





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                                      Leena




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                                      Dear Anjela, I can quote umpteen studies with different conclusions, and the academic debate will and ought to continue. However, years are passing by for
                                      Message 18 of 25 , Jul 11, 2010
                                        Dear Anjela,

                                        I can quote umpteen studies with different conclusions, and the academic debate will and ought to continue. However, years are passing by for these 200 million, 6-16 yr. old, Indian children, who are critical to our joint future, and they will miss the bus of school education, if they do not get a decent quality education NOW. All of us agree that the quality of average government school is not acceptable at present, and it is not going to change easily in medium term, so investment in only expansion of existing type of schools is not good enough; we must spend a part of resources (5-10%) for proven and measurable, not just claimed, improvements in children's learning.

                                        Urgency of this forces me to demand options and suggest ways that produce results TODAY. On balance, I think properly regulated PPP is the answer for TODAY. Good thing with this is that you can easily close down that tomorrow if you find this not working.

                                        Please consider the future of these 200 million children, and not out ideal type ideological solutions.

                                        Pankaj Jain
                                         

                                        --- On Sun, 7/11/10, Anjela Taneja <Anjela.Taneja@...> wrote:

                                        From: Anjela Taneja <Anjela.Taneja@...>
                                        Subject: RE: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                        To: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com
                                        Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 12:55 PM

                                         

                                        Dear Pankaj,

                                         

                                        The discontent with the present system is understandable. However, recommending something that has been shown to fail as a replacement – merit pay for performance on achievement tests etc etc – is not a solution either.

                                         

                                        http://www.huffingt onpost.com/ diane-ravitch/ first-lets- fire-all- the-t_b_483074. html

                                        http://blogs. edweek.org/ edweek/Bridging- Differences/ 2010/06/the_ great_accountabi lity_hoax. html

                                         

                                        The above links give a reasonably good summary of the anti argument written by someone who had supported these policies in the US and has since been convinced by the evidence that it simply is not working.  

                                         

                                        As to the agenda for reform, again let’s refer to what people are saying in the country that is already practicing what is being proposed as a “new idea” in India :

                                        http://www.washingt onpost.com/ wp-dyn/content/ article/2010/ 04/01/AR20100401 01468.html

                                         

                                        All are popular references, but are backed by research. The person writing them happens to be someone who helped set up these policies as part of both George Bush (elder) and Bill Clinton’s administrations. She is also an established academic. The credentials of the researcher concerned are therefore impeccable.

                                         

                                        Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

                                        Anjela R V Taneja
                                        Program Officer, Education Theme,
                                        ActionAid India Country Office
                                        Mobile: 09958087043


                                        From: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:arkitectind ia@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Pankaj Jain
                                        Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 6:00 PM
                                        To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                        Subject: RE: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                                         

                                         

                                        Dear Anjela and All,

                                        I do not have a solution to this big problem, I only have a concern which, I think, is shared by large many.

                                        I tried to initiate the discussion to stimulate each other's thinking, and some of us might also act on these thoughts.

                                        Regarding the specific idea of outcome assessment, it is only one systemic way to hold people accountable for their claims, whatever these are. If you have a better way to ensure accountability, which goes beyound unverifiable claims, please do share that with us all. Otherwise, the exercise would just remain empty slogans and claims. It alsoi brings into operation the concern to achieve the goal in a time-bound fashion.

                                        Pankaj
                                         
                                         

                                        --- On Mon, 7/5/10, Anjela Taneja <Anjela.Taneja@ actionaid. org> wrote:


                                        From: Anjela Taneja <Anjela.Taneja@ actionaid. org>
                                        Subject: RE: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                        To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                        Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 11:34 AM

                                         

                                        Dear Pankaj,

                                         

                                        I am unable to understand the rationale of asking others for suggestions, when you proceed to ignore everything others suggest.  However, since you seem to have an idea of investing a tenth of the budget on “learning outcomes” measured by “standardized testing”, it would be useful to understand what sort of activities would you intend those to be- that is apart from the hiring of trained teachers, strengthening teacher training, strengthening decentralization and accountability mechanisms and ensuring availability of learning materials (and overall school infrastructure) in the classroom. All of these have been suggested by multiple posters on this forum and have been rejected by you as inadequate and/or impractical.

                                         

                                        However, while you go on to describe your agenda, a quick comment on the use of standardized testing to measure quality. It is arguably the most highly opposed policy in the west (googling for costs of high stakes testing gives 120,000 hits in 0.17 seconds). These include, discrimination against schools with minority (read dalit) populations (which would start with lower test scores), discrimination against minority (read dalit and adivasi) pupils who potentially may pull the school result down, promotion of cheating and corruption (to ensure that the result is maintained), pulling precious resources from teaching (which improves performance) to testing (which only measures it), and has negative impact on the child’s morale (having low performance drilled into you every time), impacting the ability of teachers to innovate (since they have to teach for the “test”) and has converted the process of education into merely achieving marketable basic competencies (in contrast to holistic child development) . Thing is, apart from all this- it is also questionable if the learning levels are actually improving across the board. Consequently, it would be essential to take the current enthusiasm about “testing”, “outcomes” and other related issues with a pinch of salt learning from the countries where this practice was started first.

                                        Anjela R V Taneja
                                        Program Officer, Education Theme,
                                        ActionAid India Country Office
                                        Mobile: 09958087043


                                        From: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:arkitectind ia@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Pankaj Jain
                                        Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 7:09 AM
                                        To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                        Subject: Re: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                                         

                                         

                                        Sir/ Madam,

                                        Most suggestions made for improving quality are good and in the right direction, but I am afraid that most of these may/ will not produce results in a time bound manner, so we shall keep loosing the future of those who keep crossing schooling threshold.

                                        May be, a policy that links, say 5-10%, of budget to 'learning outcome', will have higher chance of success. When faced with the choice of not having money in the absence of success, mind and body will really concentrate to get the results. It simply means that a section will have to be set up in each State Government's education department to handle 5-10% of education budget that can be spent only when assured gains in children's learning takes place, assessed by an independent agency appointed by the Government. 

                                        Pankaj Jain
                                         

                                        --- On Sat, 7/3/10, naaz khair <naazkhair@gmail. com> wrote:


                                        From: naaz khair <naazkhair@gmail. com>
                                        Subject: Re: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                        To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                        Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 1:56 PM

                                         

                                        Dear All,

                                         

                                        I have just returned from a long travel and eversince I have been mulling over this. I have read all the suggestions made so far. They are good.

                                         

                                        Yes, high time we worked with a sense of purpose and met a deadline of minimum good quality education for 200 million children by 2020. As Pankaj says this is all the time we have before these children today in the age-group of 6-16 years reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossib le. 

                                         

                                        If we fail to meet this deadline, we violate the fundamental right to education of as many as 200 million children and counting. Add to it the far reaching consequences the Country will have to face on the development front!

                                         

                                        And, I hope, once a set of solutions is in sight, the media will play its part and prove itself for the children of India by actively tracking government pace and efforts to meet the dealine, just as it did for Delhi in case of the Common Wealth Games.

                                         

                                        Now getting to the point, I humbly submit the following as the way to go in the next 3-5 years:

                                         

                                        1. Put a cap on teacher transfers- a minimum of so many per state and no more. Transfers to be approved by the Chief Minister. The CMO to monitor teacher absenteeism and teacher punctuality, empowering SMC and Panchayat sub-committee on education for the purpose.

                                         

                                        2. Give the same management autonomy as Kendriya Vidyalaya to the regular government schools.

                                         

                                        3. Prestigious awards for best teacher in a cluster (CRC),  best school, best SMC, best Panchayat, best block, best district and best state!

                                         

                                        4. Plumbers (like electricity linesmen ) to ensure proper working of drinking water facility in schools at all times. A sweeper per school to keep school premises and toilets clean. SMC to ensure consumables needed for maintenance and use are provided in case of both drinking water and toilets.

                                         

                                         5. A children's group (a group for children that is their own i.e. one which is not formed and led by teachers but facilitated by them) in each school to discuss and share a range of issues affecting them within and outside the school. Regular formal opportunities  for children through this group to present proposals to SMC and the government for implementation.

                                         

                                        6. Education and related departments to ensure school facilities as mandated by the RTE is in place immediately - school library, computer room, playground etc.

                                         

                                        Thank you and regards,

                                         

                                        Naaz

                                         

                                         

                                        On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Prof.Kalluri S.Rao <ksrsl@yahoo. com> wrote:

                                         

                                        Yes I would add that this must be done apto atleast 7th class. Other langauages can be taught but Hindi should not be imposed on children at the expense of their mother tongue.

                                         

                                        The problem of India is language and caste

                                         

                                        KSRao



                                        Kalluri Subba Rao., Ph.D., D.Sc.(IISc), FAS-AP, FAMS., FNASc.,FNA.Hon. Professor & INSA-Senior Scientist,Center for Biotechnology, Institute of Science and Technology (IST) , Jawaharlal Nehru Technological University, Kukatpally, Hyderabad-500085. Email:ksrsl@ yahoo.com

                                        --- On Fri, 7/2/10, B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com> wrote:


                                        From: B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com>
                                        Subject: Re: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                        To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                        Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 12:03 PM

                                         

                                         

                                        this is the most importatn and fundamental suggestion [ i agree with it totally]

                                        Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue.[through mother tongue]

                                        B.K.Passi

                                         

                                         

                                         


                                        From: Shaheen Ansari <ansarishaheen@ gmail.com>
                                        To: arkitectindia <arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com>
                                        Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 11:51:48 AM
                                        Subject: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                                         

                                        FYI

                                         


                                        From: Leena Prasad [mailto:leenadivansh@ gmail.com]
                                        Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 08:22
                                        To: Shaheen Ansari
                                        Subject: Fwd: The future of 200 million Children

                                        will you post this on your group in response to a mail asking for suggestions on RTE  - and may be add our volunteer Archana on it as well - 

                                        ---------- Forwarded message ----------
                                        From: ARCHANA RAVI <archa1982@gmail. com>
                                        Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:08 PM
                                        Subject: Re: The future of 200 million Children
                                        To: Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com>

                                         

                                        My suggestions are:

                                         

                                        1. All teachers' vacancies should be filled as soon as possible. All contract teachers should be replaced by permanent teachers.

                                         

                                        2. In schools where the student-teacher ratio is good, naturally the quality is better. Instead of having a school in every km, the rule should be a classroom for every 30 underprivileged children in the locality.

                                         

                                        3. The government should set up a department in each panchayat/municipal ity that would do quarter-yearly door-to-door surveys to determine the status of children in the society. This department will identify out-of-school children and dropouts.

                                         

                                        4. Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue. 

                                         

                                        5. The syllabus in all schools - CBSE, ICSE or state - should be unified. If members of all these boards participate in the making of the syllabus, the resultant syllabus will be good. Teachers may be used to rot learning techniques. They should be trained to do their jobs without rot learning. 

                                         

                                         

                                        There are more things that need to be done. Hygiene, for example, is  invariably terrible in all schools. Then the training of teachers - the SET exam syllabus. I have no idea how to change anything here. But they should consult experts in education and train teachers for their job.

                                         

                                        I do not have the mail id to forward this to anyone. Can you do it for me? Also, should i ask others to participate?

                                         

                                        Regards

                                        archana 

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                         



                                         

                                        On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com> wrote:

                                        Hi

                                         

                                        Would you like to give five suggestions as requested in this mail ... Think it will be nice for you to participate in this discussion as a citizen with great exp on education of children ...

                                        Dear All,


                                        India has around 230 million children currently in age group 6-16. In the next decade, all these would cross 16 years of age, and reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossible.

                                        Of these, around 30 million would get a chance to study in reasonable to good to excellent quality schools, some in a few good Govt. schools, but mostly private fee charging schools, including those for upper income and elite groups.

                                        Remaining 200 odd million, if ASER and other such official and non-official reports are correct, would receive very poor quality education in the bulk of average government schools or low cost private schools. With RTE provisions and criterion coming in force, it would not be legally feasible for low cost private schools to exist as recognized schools, so the bulk of responsibility of educating these 200 million children will be of Government Schools.

                                        Most of us know, and agree, that average quality of education in most Government Schools is very bad, which means that 200 million of today's children will become adult without receiving a minimum quality school education, which will not only keep them poor and under-developed, but also lead to poor development of the country.

                                        The only solution is to significantly improve the quality of Government schools, with 3-5 years.

                                        I request and invite forum readers to give no more than 5 suggestions that would improve the quality of education in a time bound 3-5 years, so the improvements in learning levels of children can be measured in  concrete manner, by ASER or NCERT studies.

                                        I hope this exercise of sifting through various actionable ideas would not only show a way to move forward, it will also make "Improvements in Govt. Schools within 3-5 years', a declared and formal policy agenda of the Government.

                                        Pankaj Jain


                                        Pankaj
                                         

                                         





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                                      • psn.1946
                                        You may dump any amount of money. Not a single PPP will touch the rural areas. Sankar ... You may dump any amount of money. Not a single PPP will touch the
                                        Message 19 of 25 , Jul 11, 2010
                                          You may dump any amount of money. Not a single PPP will touch the rural areas.
                                           
                                          Sankar

                                           
                                          On 7/11/10, Pankaj Jain <pjain2002@...> wrote:
                                           

                                          Dear Anjela,

                                          I can quote umpteen studies with different conclusions, and the academic debate will and ought to continue. However, years are passing by for these 200 million, 6-16 yr. old, Indian children, who are critical to our joint future, and they will miss the bus of school education, if they do not get a decent quality education NOW. All of us agree that the quality of average government school is not acceptable at present, and it is not going to change easily in medium term, so investment in only expansion of existing type of schools is not good enough; we must spend a part of resources (5-10%) for proven and measurable, not just claimed, improvements in children's learning.

                                          Urgency of this forces me to demand options and suggest ways that produce results TODAY. On balance, I think properly regulated PPP is the answer for TODAY. Good thing with this is that you can easily close down that tomorrow if you find this not working.

                                          Please consider the future of these 200 million children, and not out ideal type ideological solutions.

                                          Pankaj Jain
                                           

                                          --- On Sun, 7/11/10, Anjela Taneja <Anjela.Taneja@...> wrote:

                                          From: Anjela Taneja <Anjela.Taneja@...>
                                          Subject: RE: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                          To: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com
                                          Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 12:55 PM

                                           

                                          Dear Pankaj,

                                           

                                          The discontent with the present system is understandable. However, recommending something that has been shown to fail as a replacement – merit pay for performance on achievement tests etc etc – is not a solution either.

                                           

                                          http://www.huffingt onpost.com/ diane-ravitch/ first-lets- fire-all- the-t_b_483074. html

                                          http://blogs. edweek.org/ edweek/Bridging- Differences/ 2010/06/the_ great_accountabi lity_hoax. html

                                           

                                          The above links give a reasonably good summary of the anti argument written by someone who had supported these policies in the US and has since been convinced by the evidence that it simply is not working.  

                                           

                                          As to the agenda for reform, again let’s refer to what people are saying in the country that is already practicing what is being proposed as a “new idea” in India :

                                          http://www.washingt onpost.com/ wp-dyn/content/ article/2010/ 04/01/AR20100401 01468.html

                                           

                                          All are popular references, but are backed by research. The person writing them happens to be someone who helped set up these policies as part of both George Bush (elder) and Bill Clinton’s administrations. She is also an established academic. The credentials of the researcher concerned are therefore impeccable.

                                           

                                          Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

                                          Anjela R V Taneja
                                          Program Officer, Education Theme,
                                          ActionAid India Country Office
                                          Mobile: 09958087043


                                          From: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:arkitectind ia@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Pankaj Jain
                                          Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 6:00 PM
                                          To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                          Subject: RE: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                                           

                                           

                                          Dear Anjela and All,

                                          I do not have a solution to this big problem, I only have a concern which, I think, is shared by large many.

                                          I tried to initiate the discussion to stimulate each other's thinking, and some of us might also act on these thoughts.

                                          Regarding the specific idea of outcome assessment, it is only one systemic way to hold people accountable for their claims, whatever these are. If you have a better way to ensure accountability, which goes beyound unverifiable claims, please do share that with us all. Otherwise, the exercise would just remain empty slogans and claims. It alsoi brings into operation the concern to achieve the goal in a time-bound fashion.

                                          Pankaj
                                           
                                           

                                          --- On Mon, 7/5/10, Anjela Taneja <Anjela.Taneja@ actionaid. org> wrote:


                                          From: Anjela Taneja <Anjela.Taneja@ actionaid. org>
                                          Subject: RE: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                          To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                          Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 11:34 AM

                                           

                                          Dear Pankaj,

                                           

                                          I am unable to understand the rationale of asking others for suggestions, when you proceed to ignore everything others suggest.  However, since you seem to have an idea of investing a tenth of the budget on “learning outcomes” measured by “standardized testing”, it would be useful to understand what sort of activities would you intend those to be- that is apart from the hiring of trained teachers, strengthening teacher training, strengthening decentralization and accountability mechanisms and ensuring availability of learning materials (and overall school infrastructure) in the classroom. All of these have been suggested by multiple posters on this forum and have been rejected by you as inadequate and/or impractical.

                                           

                                          However, while you go on to describe your agenda, a quick comment on the use of standardized testing to measure quality. It is arguably the most highly opposed policy in the west (googling for costs of high stakes testing gives 120,000 hits in 0.17 seconds). These include, discrimination against schools with minority (read dalit) populations (which would start with lower test scores), discrimination against minority (read dalit and adivasi) pupils who potentially may pull the school result down, promotion of cheating and corruption (to ensure that the result is maintained), pulling precious resources from teaching (which improves performance) to testing (which only measures it), and has negative impact on the child’s morale (having low performance drilled into you every time), impacting the ability of teachers to innovate (since they have to teach for the “test”) and has converted the process of education into merely achieving marketable basic competencies (in contrast to holistic child development) . Thing is, apart from all this- it is also questionable if the learning levels are actually improving across the board. Consequently, it would be essential to take the current enthusiasm about “testing”, “outcomes” and other related issues with a pinch of salt learning from the countries where this practice was started first.

                                          Anjela R V Taneja
                                          Program Officer, Education Theme,
                                          ActionAid India Country Office
                                          Mobile: 09958087043


                                          From: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:arkitectind ia@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Pankaj Jain
                                          Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 7:09 AM
                                          To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                          Subject: Re: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                                           

                                           

                                          Sir/ Madam,

                                          Most suggestions made for improving quality are good and in the right direction, but I am afraid that most of these may/ will not produce results in a time bound manner, so we shall keep loosing the future of those who keep crossing schooling threshold.

                                          May be, a policy that links, say 5-10%, of budget to 'learning outcome', will have higher chance of success. When faced with the choice of not having money in the absence of success, mind and body will really concentrate to get the results. It simply means that a section will have to be set up in each State Government's education department to handle 5-10% of education budget that can be spent only when assured gains in children's learning takes place, assessed by an independent agency appointed by the Government. 

                                          Pankaj Jain
                                           

                                          --- On Sat, 7/3/10, naaz khair <naazkhair@gmail. com> wrote:


                                          From: naaz khair <naazkhair@gmail. com>
                                          Subject: Re: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                          To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                          Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 1:56 PM

                                           

                                          Dear All,

                                           

                                          I have just returned from a long travel and eversince I have been mulling over this. I have read all the suggestions made so far. They are good.

                                           

                                          Yes, high time we worked with a sense of purpose and met a deadline of minimum good quality education for 200 million children by 2020. As Pankaj says this is all the time we have before these children today in the age-group of 6-16 years reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossib le. 

                                           

                                          If we fail to meet this deadline, we violate the fundamental right to education of as many as 200 million children and counting. Add to it the far reaching consequences the Country will have to face on the development front!

                                           

                                          And, I hope, once a set of solutions is in sight, the media will play its part and prove itself for the children of India by actively tracking government pace and efforts to meet the dealine, just as it did for Delhi in case of the Common Wealth Games.

                                           

                                          Now getting to the point, I humbly submit the following as the way to go in the next 3-5 years:

                                           

                                          1. Put a cap on teacher transfers- a minimum of so many per state and no more. Transfers to be approved by the Chief Minister. The CMO to monitor teacher absenteeism and teacher punctuality, empowering SMC and Panchayat sub-committee on education for the purpose.

                                           

                                          2. Give the same management autonomy as Kendriya Vidyalaya to the regular government schools.

                                           

                                          3. Prestigious awards for best teacher in a cluster (CRC),  best school, best SMC, best Panchayat, best block, best district and best state!

                                           

                                          4. Plumbers (like electricity linesmen ) to ensure proper working of drinking water facility in schools at all times. A sweeper per school to keep school premises and toilets clean. SMC to ensure consumables needed for maintenance and use are provided in case of both drinking water and toilets.

                                           

                                           5. A children's group (a group for children that is their own i.e. one which is not formed and led by teachers but facilitated by them) in each school to discuss and share a range of issues affecting them within and outside the school. Regular formal opportunities  for children through this group to present proposals to SMC and the government for implementation.

                                           

                                          6. Education and related departments to ensure school facilities as mandated by the RTE is in place immediately - school library, computer room, playground etc.

                                           

                                          Thank you and regards,

                                           

                                          Naaz

                                           

                                           

                                          On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Prof.Kalluri S.Rao <ksrsl@yahoo. com> wrote:

                                           

                                          Yes I would add that this must be done apto atleast 7th class. Other langauages can be taught but Hindi should not be imposed on children at the expense of their mother tongue.

                                           

                                          The problem of India is language and caste

                                           

                                          KSRao



                                          Kalluri Subba Rao., Ph.D., D.Sc.(IISc), FAS-AP, FAMS., FNASc.,FNA.Hon. Professor & INSA-Senior Scientist,Center for Biotechnology, Institute of Science and Technology (IST) , Jawaharlal Nehru Technological University, Kukatpally, Hyderabad-500085. Email:ksrsl@ yahoo.com

                                          --- On Fri, 7/2/10, B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com> wrote:


                                          From: B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com>
                                          Subject: Re: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                          To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                          Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 12:03 PM

                                           

                                           

                                          this is the most importatn and fundamental suggestion [ i agree with it totally]

                                          Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue.[through mother tongue]

                                          B.K.Passi

                                           

                                           

                                           


                                          From: Shaheen Ansari <ansarishaheen@ gmail.com>
                                          To: arkitectindia <arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com>
                                          Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 11:51:48 AM
                                          Subject: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                                           

                                          FYI

                                           


                                          From: Leena Prasad [mailto:leenadivansh@ gmail.com]
                                          Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 08:22
                                          To: Shaheen Ansari
                                          Subject: Fwd: The future of 200 million Children

                                          will you post this on your group in response to a mail asking for suggestions on RTE  - and may be add our volunteer Archana on it as well - 

                                          ---------- Forwarded message ----------
                                          From: ARCHANA RAVI <archa1982@gmail. com>
                                          Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:08 PM
                                          Subject: Re: The future of 200 million Children
                                          To: Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com>

                                           

                                          My suggestions are:

                                           

                                          1. All teachers' vacancies should be filled as soon as possible. All contract teachers should be replaced by permanent teachers.

                                           

                                          2. In schools where the student-teacher ratio is good, naturally the quality is better. Instead of having a school in every km, the rule should be a classroom for every 30 underprivileged children in the locality.

                                           

                                          3. The government should set up a department in each panchayat/municipal ity that would do quarter-yearly door-to-door surveys to determine the status of children in the society. This department will identify out-of-school children and dropouts.

                                           

                                          4. Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue. 

                                           

                                          5. The syllabus in all schools - CBSE, ICSE or state - should be unified. If members of all these boards participate in the making of the syllabus, the resultant syllabus will be good. Teachers may be used to rot learning techniques. They should be trained to do their jobs without rot learning. 

                                           

                                           

                                          There are more things that need to be done. Hygiene, for example, is  invariably terrible in all schools. Then the training of teachers - the SET exam syllabus. I have no idea how to change anything here. But they should consult experts in education and train teachers for their job.

                                           

                                          I do not have the mail id to forward this to anyone. Can you do it for me? Also, should i ask others to participate?

                                           

                                          Regards

                                          archana 

                                           

                                           

                                           

                                           

                                           

                                           

                                           

                                           

                                           

                                           

                                           

                                           

                                           



                                           

                                          On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com> wrote:

                                          Hi

                                           

                                          Would you like to give five suggestions as requested in this mail ... Think it will be nice for you to participate in this discussion as a citizen with great exp on education of children ...

                                          Dear All,


                                          India has around 230 million children currently in age group 6-16. In the next decade, all these would cross 16 years of age, and reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossible.

                                          Of these, around 30 million would get a chance to study in reasonable to good to excellent quality schools, some in a few good Govt. schools, but mostly private fee charging schools, including those for upper income and elite groups.

                                          Remaining 200 odd million, if ASER and other such official and non-official reports are correct, would receive very poor quality education in the bulk of average government schools or low cost private schools. With RTE provisions and criterion coming in force, it would not be legally feasible for low cost private schools to exist as recognized schools, so the bulk of responsibility of educating these 200 million children will be of Government Schools.

                                          Most of us know, and agree, that average quality of education in most Government Schools is very bad, which means that 200 million of today's children will become adult without receiving a minimum quality school education, which will not only keep them poor and under-developed, but also lead to poor development of the country.

                                          The only solution is to significantly improve the quality of Government schools, with 3-5 years.

                                          I request and invite forum readers to give no more than 5 suggestions that would improve the quality of education in a time bound 3-5 years, so the improvements in learning levels of children can be measured in  concrete manner, by ASER or NCERT studies.

                                          I hope this exercise of sifting through various actionable ideas would not only show a way to move forward, it will also make "Improvements in Govt. Schools within 3-5 years', a declared and formal policy agenda of the Government.

                                          Pankaj Jain


                                          Pankaj
                                           

                                           





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                                        • Anjela Taneja
                                          Dear Pankaj, This group has argued over the question of PPP hardly a month back and I would really want to avoid repeating the argument all over again- suffice
                                          Message 20 of 25 , Jul 12, 2010

                                            Dear Pankaj,


                                            This group has argued over the question of PPP hardly a month back and I would really want to avoid repeating the argument all over again- suffice to say, the majority of the respondents the last time held a contrary view the last time and backed their opinion with hard facts. There are two points of disagreement between us:

                                            1. I reiterate that there is credible research to show that what you are proposing has already been proven to fail.
                                            2. The fact that you disregard all evidence given to the contrary of your views proves that your opinion is likewise ideological and not just evidence based.

                                             

                                            Returning to your original query, there are no simple shortcuts for decent school quality beyond systematic reform. There are no 4-5 things that need to be done to fix the system. If the problem was so simple, it would not have remained unresolved for two generations.  

                                             

                                            As you keep reiterating, it a matter of 200 million children and the issues affecting them are going to be equally diverse (especially in a country as large, multicultural and unequal as India ). If the problems are diverse, so are the solutions. The root of the problems of the education system is the lack of an educational vision, not just individual management problems. The most durable way of improving schools is to improve curriculum and instruction and the conditions under which teachers work and children learn. Publically shaming schools- and the people that work in them- for failure to raise standardized scores does not solve the fundamental problems of quality of instruction (especially in a country where a tenth of the teachers are completely untrained in the first case- by government’s own estimates) and the learning environment in the school.

                                             

                                            If we want to make the system work, the necessity is not to just tinker with incentive systems or a couple of other individual components, but look at the system as a whole- the lack of teacher training systems in place, the poor quality of said teacher training (where such exists), the acute teacher shortages, the abysmal school infrastructure, the prevalence of child labour, the caste based nature of society (where the upper caste children are pulled out of schools where dalits are enrolled), the lack of effective systems of community oversight, the lack of effective inspection systems (as someone pointed out), the lack of political will to take the problems that have been bleeding for the last sixty years by the horns and fix them. Can this be done in 5 years? While I acutely feel the urgency of it, I cannot look into the future. It depends on the political will to carry through with the reforms that are so desperately needed. If such an effort is made, anything is possible. Said effort would only happen if people demand action. In other words, it depends on us.

                                            Anjela R V Taneja
                                            Program Officer, Education Theme,
                                            ActionAid India Country Office
                                            Mobile: 09958087043


                                            From: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pankaj Jain
                                            Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 6:47 PM
                                            To: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com
                                            Subject: RE: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                                             

                                             

                                            Dear Anjela,

                                            I can quote umpteen studies with different conclusions, and the academic debate will and ought to continue. However, years are passing by for these 200 million, 6-16 yr. old, Indian children, who are critical to our joint future, and they will miss the bus of school education, if they do not get a decent quality education NOW. All of us agree that the quality of average government school is not acceptable at present, and it is not going to change easily in medium term, so investment in only expansion of existing type of schools is not good enough; we must spend a part of resources (5-10%) for proven and measurable, not just claimed, improvements in children's learning.

                                            Urgency of this forces me to demand options and suggest ways that produce results TODAY. On balance, I think properly regulated PPP is the answer for TODAY. Good thing with this is that you can easily close down that tomorrow if you find this not working.

                                            Please consider the future of these 200 million children, and not out ideal type ideological solutions.

                                            Pankaj Jain
                                             

                                            --- On Sun, 7/11/10, Anjela Taneja <Anjela.Taneja@ actionaid. org> wrote:


                                            From: Anjela Taneja <Anjela.Taneja@ actionaid. org>
                                            Subject: RE: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                            To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                            Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 12:55 PM

                                             

                                            Dear Pankaj,

                                             

                                            The discontent with the present system is understandable. However, recommending something that has been shown to fail as a replacement – merit pay for performance on achievement tests etc etc – is not a solution either.

                                             

                                            http://www.huffingt onpost.com/ diane-ravitch/ first-lets- fire-all- the-t_b_483074. html

                                            http://blogs. edweek.org/ edweek/Bridging- Differences/ 2010/06/the_ great_accountabi lity_hoax. html

                                             

                                            The above links give a reasonably good summary of the anti argument written by someone who had supported these policies in the US and has since been convinced by the evidence that it simply is not working.  

                                             

                                            As to the agenda for reform, again let’s refer to what people are saying in the country that is already practicing what is being proposed as a “new idea” in India :

                                            http://www.washingt onpost.com/ wp-dyn/content/ article/2010/ 04/01/AR20100401 01468.html

                                             

                                            All are popular references, but are backed by research. The person writing them happens to be someone who helped set up these policies as part of both George Bush (elder) and Bill Clinton’s administrations. She is also an established academic. The credentials of the researcher concerned are therefore impeccable.

                                             

                                            Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

                                            Anjela R V Taneja
                                            Program Officer, Education Theme,
                                            ActionAid India Country Office
                                            Mobile: 09958087043


                                            From: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:arkitectind ia@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Pankaj Jain
                                            Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 6:00 PM
                                            To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                            Subject: RE: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                                             

                                             

                                            Dear Anjela and All,

                                            I do not have a solution to this big problem, I only have a concern which, I think, is shared by large many.

                                            I tried to initiate the discussion to stimulate each other's thinking, and some of us might also act on these thoughts.

                                            Regarding the specific idea of outcome assessment, it is only one systemic way to hold people accountable for their claims, whatever these are. If you have a better way to ensure accountability, which goes beyound unverifiable claims, please do share that with us all. Otherwise, the exercise would just remain empty slogans and claims. It alsoi brings into operation the concern to achieve the goal in a time-bound fashion.

                                            Pankaj
                                             
                                             

                                            --- On Mon, 7/5/10, Anjela Taneja <Anjela.Taneja@ actionaid. org> wrote:


                                            From: Anjela Taneja <Anjela.Taneja@ actionaid. org>
                                            Subject: RE: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                            To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                            Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 11:34 AM

                                             

                                            Dear Pankaj,

                                             

                                            I am unable to understand the rationale of asking others for suggestions, when you proceed to ignore everything others suggest.  However, since you seem to have an idea of investing a tenth of the budget on “learning outcomes” measured by “standardized testing”, it would be useful to understand what sort of activities would you intend those to be- that is apart from the hiring of trained teachers, strengthening teacher training, strengthening decentralization and accountability mechanisms and ensuring availability of learning materials (and overall school infrastructure) in the classroom. All of these have been suggested by multiple posters on this forum and have been rejected by you as inadequate and/or impractical.

                                             

                                            However, while you go on to describe your agenda, a quick comment on the use of standardized testing to measure quality. It is arguably the most highly opposed policy in the west (googling for costs of high stakes testing gives 120,000 hits in 0.17 seconds). These include, discrimination against schools with minority (read dalit) populations (which would start with lower test scores), discrimination against minority (read dalit and adivasi) pupils who potentially may pull the school result down, promotion of cheating and corruption (to ensure that the result is maintained), pulling precious resources from teaching (which improves performance) to testing (which only measures it), and has negative impact on the child’s morale (having low performance drilled into you every time), impacting the ability of teachers to innovate (since they have to teach for the “test”) and has converted the process of education into merely achieving marketable basic competencies (in contrast to holistic child development) . Thing is, apart from all this- it is also questionable if the learning levels are actually improving across the board. Consequently, it would be essential to take the current enthusiasm about “testing”, “outcomes” and other related issues with a pinch of salt learning from the countries where this practice was started first.

                                            Anjela R V Taneja
                                            Program Officer, Education Theme,
                                            ActionAid India Country Office
                                            Mobile: 09958087043


                                            From: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:arkitectind ia@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Pankaj Jain
                                            Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 7:09 AM
                                            To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                            Subject: Re: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                                             

                                             

                                            Sir/ Madam,

                                            Most suggestions made for improving quality are good and in the right direction, but I am afraid that most of these may/ will not produce results in a time bound manner, so we shall keep loosing the future of those who keep crossing schooling threshold.

                                            May be, a policy that links, say 5-10%, of budget to 'learning outcome', will have higher chance of success. When faced with the choice of not having money in the absence of success, mind and body will really concentrate to get the results. It simply means that a section will have to be set up in each State Government's education department to handle 5-10% of education budget that can be spent only when assured gains in children's learning takes place, assessed by an independent agency appointed by the Government. 

                                            Pankaj Jain
                                             

                                            --- On Sat, 7/3/10, naaz khair <naazkhair@gmail. com> wrote:


                                            From: naaz khair <naazkhair@gmail. com>
                                            Subject: Re: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                            To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                            Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 1:56 PM

                                             

                                            Dear All,

                                             

                                            I have just returned from a long travel and eversince I have been mulling over this. I have read all the suggestions made so far. They are good.

                                             

                                            Yes, high time we worked with a sense of purpose and met a deadline of minimum good quality education for 200 million children by 2020. As Pankaj says this is all the time we have before these children today in the age-group of 6-16 years reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossib le. 

                                             

                                            If we fail to meet this deadline, we violate the fundamental right to education of as many as 200 million children and counting. Add to it the far reaching consequences the Country will have to face on the development front!

                                             

                                            And, I hope, once a set of solutions is in sight, the media will play its part and prove itself for the children of India by actively tracking government pace and efforts to meet the dealine, just as it did for Delhi in case of the Common Wealth Games.

                                             

                                            Now getting to the point, I humbly submit the following as the way to go in the next 3-5 years:

                                             

                                            1. Put a cap on teacher transfers- a minimum of so many per state and no more. Transfers to be approved by the Chief Minister. The CMO to monitor teacher absenteeism and teacher punctuality, empowering SMC and Panchayat sub-committee on education for the purpose.

                                             

                                            2. Give the same management autonomy as Kendriya Vidyalaya to the regular government schools.

                                             

                                            3. Prestigious awards for best teacher in a cluster (CRC),  best school, best SMC, best Panchayat, best block, best district and best state!

                                             

                                            4. Plumbers (like electricity linesmen ) to ensure proper working of drinking water facility in schools at all times. A sweeper per school to keep school premises and toilets clean. SMC to ensure consumables needed for maintenance and use are provided in case of both drinking water and toilets.

                                             

                                             5. A children's group (a group for children that is their own i.e. one which is not formed and led by teachers but facilitated by them) in each school to discuss and share a range of issues affecting them within and outside the school. Regular formal opportunities  for children through this group to present proposals to SMC and the government for implementation.

                                             

                                            6. Education and related departments to ensure school facilities as mandated by the RTE is in place immediately - school library, computer room, playground etc.

                                             

                                            Thank you and regards,

                                             

                                            Naaz

                                             

                                             

                                            On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Prof.Kalluri S.Rao <ksrsl@yahoo. com> wrote:

                                             

                                            Yes I would add that this must be done apto atleast 7th class. Other langauages can be taught but Hindi should not be imposed on children at the expense of their mother tongue.

                                             

                                            The problem of India is language and caste

                                             

                                            KSRao



                                            Kalluri Subba Rao., Ph.D., D.Sc.(IISc), FAS-AP, FAMS., FNASc.,FNA.Hon. Professor & INSA-Senior Scientist,Center for Biotechnology, Institute of Science and Technology (IST) , Jawaharlal Nehru Technological University, Kukatpally, Hyderabad-500085. Email:ksrsl@ yahoo.com

                                            --- On Fri, 7/2/10, B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com> wrote:


                                            From: B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com>
                                            Subject: Re: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                            To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                            Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 12:03 PM

                                             

                                             

                                            this is the most importatn and fundamental suggestion [ i agree with it totally]

                                            Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue.[through mother tongue]

                                            B.K.Passi

                                             

                                             

                                             


                                            From: Shaheen Ansari <ansarishaheen@ gmail.com>
                                            To: arkitectindia <arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com>
                                            Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 11:51:48 AM
                                            Subject: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                                             

                                            FYI

                                             


                                            From: Leena Prasad [mailto:leenadivansh@ gmail.com]
                                            Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 08:22
                                            To: Shaheen Ansari
                                            Subject: Fwd: The future of 200 million Children

                                            will you post this on your group in response to a mail asking for suggestions on RTE  - and may be add our volunteer Archana on it as well - 

                                            ---------- Forwarded message ----------
                                            From: ARCHANA RAVI <archa1982@gmail. com>
                                            Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:08 PM
                                            Subject: Re: The future of 200 million Children
                                            To: Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com>

                                             

                                            My suggestions are:

                                             

                                            1. All teachers' vacancies should be filled as soon as possible. All contract teachers should be replaced by permanent teachers.

                                             

                                            2. In schools where the student-teacher ratio is good, naturally the quality is better. Instead of having a school in every km, the rule should be a classroom for every 30 underprivileged children in the locality.

                                             

                                            3. The government should set up a department in each panchayat/municipal ity that would do quarter-yearly door-to-door surveys to determine the status of children in the society. This department will identify out-of-school children and dropouts.

                                             

                                            4. Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue. 

                                             

                                            5. The syllabus in all schools - CBSE, ICSE or state - should be unified. If members of all these boards participate in the making of the syllabus, the resultant syllabus will be good. Teachers may be used to rot learning techniques. They should be trained to do their jobs without rot learning. 

                                             

                                             

                                            There are more things that need to be done. Hygiene, for example, is  invariably terrible in all schools. Then the training of teachers - the SET exam syllabus. I have no idea how to change anything here. But they should consult experts in education and train teachers for their job.

                                             

                                            I do not have the mail id to forward this to anyone. Can you do it for me? Also, should i ask others to participate?

                                             

                                            Regards

                                            archana 

                                             

                                             

                                             

                                             

                                             

                                             

                                             

                                             

                                             

                                             

                                             

                                             

                                             



                                             

                                            On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com> wrote:

                                            Hi

                                             

                                            Would you like to give five suggestions as requested in this mail ... Think it will be nice for you to participate in this discussion as a citizen with great exp on education of children ...

                                            Dear All,


                                            India has around 230 million children currently in age group 6-16. In the next decade, all these would cross 16 years of age, and reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossible.

                                            Of these, around 30 million would get a chance to study in reasonable to good to excellent quality schools, some in a few good Govt. schools, but mostly private fee charging schools, including those for upper income and elite groups.

                                            Remaining 200 odd million, if ASER and other such official and non-official reports are correct, would receive very poor quality education in the bulk of average government schools or low cost private schools. With RTE provisions and criterion coming in force, it would not be legally feasible for low cost private schools to exist as recognized schools, so the bulk of responsibility of educating these 200 million children will be of Government Schools.

                                            Most of us know, and agree, that average quality of education in most Government Schools is very bad, which means that 200 million of today's

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                                            Dear Pankaj, Please quote those umpteen studies for our benefit. Also could you properly flesh out “properly regulated PPP”. Regards, Sadanand. From:
                                            Message 21 of 25 , Jul 12, 2010

                                              Dear Pankaj,

                                               

                                              Please quote those umpteen studies for our benefit.

                                              Also could you properly flesh out “properly regulated PPP”.

                                              Regards,

                                              Sadanand.

                                               

                                              From: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pankaj Jain
                                              Sent: 11 July 2010 18:47
                                              To: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com
                                              Subject: RE: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                                               

                                               

                                              Dear Anjela,

                                              I can quote umpteen studies with different conclusions, and the academic debate will and ought to continue. However, years are passing by for these 200 million, 6-16 yr. old, Indian children, who are critical to our joint future, and they will miss the bus of school education, if they do not get a decent quality education NOW. All of us agree that the quality of average government school is not acceptable at present, and it is not going to change easily in medium term, so investment in only expansion of existing type of schools is not good enough; we must spend a part of resources (5-10%) for proven and measurable, not just claimed, improvements in children's learning.

                                              Urgency of this forces me to demand options and suggest ways that produce results TODAY. On balance, I think properly regulated PPP is the answer for TODAY. Good thing with this is that you can easily close down that tomorrow if you find this not working.

                                              Please consider the future of these 200 million children, and not out ideal type ideological solutions.

                                              Pankaj Jain
                                               

                                              --- On Sun, 7/11/10, Anjela Taneja <Anjela.Taneja@...> wrote:


                                              From: Anjela Taneja <Anjela.Taneja@...>
                                              Subject: RE: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                              To: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com
                                              Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 12:55 PM

                                               

                                              Dear Pankaj,

                                               

                                              The discontent with the present system is understandable. However, recommending something that has been shown to fail as a replacement – merit pay for performance on achievement tests etc etc – is not a solution either.

                                               

                                              http://www.huffingt onpost.com/ diane-ravitch/ first-lets- fire-all- the-t_b_483074. html

                                              http://blogs. edweek.org/ edweek/Bridging- Differences/ 2010/06/the_ great_accountabi lity_hoax. html

                                               

                                              The above links give a reasonably good summary of the anti argument written by someone who had supported these policies in the US and has since been convinced by the evidence that it simply is not working.  

                                               

                                              As to the agenda for reform, again let’s refer to what people are saying in the country that is already practicing what is being proposed as a “new idea” in India :

                                              http://www.washingt onpost.com/ wp-dyn/content/ article/2010/ 04/01/AR20100401 01468.html

                                               

                                              All are popular references, but are backed by research. The person writing them happens to be someone who helped set up these policies as part of both George Bush (elder) and Bill Clinton’s administrations. She is also an established academic. The credentials of the researcher concerned are therefore impeccable.

                                               

                                              Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

                                              Anjela R V Taneja
                                              Program Officer, Education Theme,
                                              ActionAid India Country Office
                                              Mobile: 09958087043


                                              From: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:arkitectind ia@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Pankaj Jain
                                              Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 6:00 PM
                                              To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                              Subject: RE: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                                               

                                               

                                              Dear Anjela and All,

                                              I do not have a solution to this big problem, I only have a concern which, I think, is shared by large many.

                                              I tried to initiate the discussion to stimulate each other's thinking, and some of us might also act on these thoughts.

                                              Regarding the specific idea of outcome assessment, it is only one systemic way to hold people accountable for their claims, whatever these are. If you have a better way to ensure accountability, which goes beyound unverifiable claims, please do share that with us all. Otherwise, the exercise would just remain empty slogans and claims. It alsoi brings into operation the concern to achieve the goal in a time-bound fashion.

                                              Pankaj
                                               
                                               

                                              --- On Mon, 7/5/10, Anjela Taneja <Anjela.Taneja@ actionaid. org> wrote:


                                              From: Anjela Taneja <Anjela.Taneja@ actionaid. org>
                                              Subject: RE: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                              To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                              Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 11:34 AM

                                               

                                              Dear Pankaj,

                                               

                                              I am unable to understand the rationale of asking others for suggestions, when you proceed to ignore everything others suggest.  However, since you seem to have an idea of investing a tenth of the budget on “learning outcomes” measured by “standardized testing”, it would be useful to understand what sort of activities would you intend those to be- that is apart from the hiring of trained teachers, strengthening teacher training, strengthening decentralization and accountability mechanisms and ensuring availability of learning materials (and overall school infrastructure) in the classroom. All of these have been suggested by multiple posters on this forum and have been rejected by you as inadequate and/or impractical.

                                               

                                              However, while you go on to describe your agenda, a quick comment on the use of standardized testing to measure quality. It is arguably the most highly opposed policy in the west (googling for costs of high stakes testing gives 120,000 hits in 0.17 seconds). These include, discrimination against schools with minority (read dalit) populations (which would start with lower test scores), discrimination against minority (read dalit and adivasi) pupils who potentially may pull the school result down, promotion of cheating and corruption (to ensure that the result is maintained), pulling precious resources from teaching (which improves performance) to testing (which only measures it), and has negative impact on the child’s morale (having low performance drilled into you every time), impacting the ability of teachers to innovate (since they have to teach for the “test”) and has converted the process of education into merely achieving marketable basic competencies (in contrast to holistic child development) . Thing is, apart from all this- it is also questionable if the learning levels are actually improving across the board. Consequently, it would be essential to take the current enthusiasm about “testing”, “outcomes” and other related issues with a pinch of salt learning from the countries where this practice was started first.

                                              Anjela R V Taneja
                                              Program Officer, Education Theme,
                                              ActionAid India Country Office
                                              Mobile: 09958087043


                                              From: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:arkitectind ia@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Pankaj Jain
                                              Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 7:09 AM
                                              To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                              Subject: Re: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                                               

                                               

                                              Sir/ Madam,

                                              Most suggestions made for improving quality are good and in the right direction, but I am afraid that most of these may/ will not produce results in a time bound manner, so we shall keep loosing the future of those who keep crossing schooling threshold.

                                              May be, a policy that links, say 5-10%, of budget to 'learning outcome', will have higher chance of success. When faced with the choice of not having money in the absence of success, mind and body will really concentrate to get the results. It simply means that a section will have to be set up in each State Government's education department to handle 5-10% of education budget that can be spent only when assured gains in children's learning takes place, assessed by an independent agency appointed by the Government. 

                                              Pankaj Jain
                                               

                                              --- On Sat, 7/3/10, naaz khair <naazkhair@gmail. com> wrote:


                                              From: naaz khair <naazkhair@gmail. com>
                                              Subject: Re: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                              To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                              Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 1:56 PM

                                               

                                              Dear All,

                                               

                                              I have just returned from a long travel and eversince I have been mulling over this. I have read all the suggestions made so far. They are good.

                                               

                                              Yes, high time we worked with a sense of purpose and met a deadline of minimum good quality education for 200 million children by 2020. As Pankaj says this is all the time we have before these children today in the age-group of 6-16 years reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossib le. 

                                               

                                              If we fail to meet this deadline, we violate the fundamental right to education of as many as 200 million children and counting. Add to it the far reaching consequences the Country will have to face on the development front!

                                               

                                              And, I hope, once a set of solutions is in sight, the media will play its part and prove itself for the children of India by actively tracking government pace and efforts to meet the dealine, just as it did for Delhi in case of the Common Wealth Games.

                                               

                                              Now getting to the point, I humbly submit the following as the way to go in the next 3-5 years:

                                               

                                              1. Put a cap on teacher transfers- a minimum of so many per state and no more. Transfers to be approved by the Chief Minister. The CMO to monitor teacher absenteeism and teacher punctuality, empowering SMC and Panchayat sub-committee on education for the purpose.

                                               

                                              2. Give the same management autonomy as Kendriya Vidyalaya to the regular government schools.

                                               

                                              3. Prestigious awards for best teacher in a cluster (CRC),  best school, best SMC, best Panchayat, best block, best district and best state!

                                               

                                              4. Plumbers (like electricity linesmen ) to ensure proper working of drinking water facility in schools at all times. A sweeper per school to keep school premises and toilets clean. SMC to ensure consumables needed for maintenance and use are provided in case of both drinking water and toilets.

                                               

                                               5. A children's group (a group for children that is their own i.e. one which is not formed and led by teachers but facilitated by them) in each school to discuss and share a range of issues affecting them within and outside the school. Regular formal opportunities  for children through this group to present proposals to SMC and the government for implementation.

                                               

                                              6. Education and related departments to ensure school facilities as mandated by the RTE is in place immediately - school library, computer room, playground etc.

                                               

                                              Thank you and regards,

                                               

                                              Naaz

                                               

                                               

                                              On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Prof.Kalluri S.Rao <ksrsl@yahoo. com> wrote:

                                               

                                              Yes I would add that this must be done apto atleast 7th class. Other langauages can be taught but Hindi should not be imposed on children at the expense of their mother tongue.

                                               

                                              The problem of India is language and caste

                                               

                                              KSRao



                                              Kalluri Subba Rao., Ph.D., D.Sc.(IISc), FAS-AP, FAMS., FNASc.,FNA.Hon. Professor & INSA-Senior Scientist,Center for Biotechnology, Institute of Science and Technology (IST) , Jawaharlal Nehru Technological University, Kukatpally, Hyderabad-500085. Email:ksrsl@ yahoo.com

                                              --- On Fri, 7/2/10, B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com> wrote:


                                              From: B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com>
                                              Subject: Re: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                              To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                              Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 12:03 PM

                                               

                                               

                                              this is the most importatn and fundamental suggestion [ i agree with it totally]

                                              Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue.[through mother tongue]

                                              B.K.Passi

                                               

                                               

                                               


                                              From: Shaheen Ansari <ansarishaheen@ gmail.com>
                                              To: arkitectindia <arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com>
                                              Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 11:51:48 AM
                                              Subject: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                                               

                                              FYI

                                               


                                              From: Leena Prasad [mailto:leenadivansh@ gmail.com]
                                              Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 08:22
                                              To: Shaheen Ansari
                                              Subject: Fwd: The future of 200 million Children

                                              will you post this on your group in response to a mail asking for suggestions on RTE  - and may be add our volunteer Archana on it as well - 

                                              ---------- Forwarded message ----------
                                              From: ARCHANA RAVI <archa1982@gmail. com>
                                              Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:08 PM
                                              Subject: Re: The future of 200 million Children
                                              To: Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com>

                                               

                                              My suggestions are:

                                               

                                              1. All teachers' vacancies should be filled as soon as possible. All contract teachers should be replaced by permanent teachers.

                                               

                                              2. In schools where the student-teacher ratio is good, naturally the quality is better. Instead of having a school in every km, the rule should be a classroom for every 30 underprivileged children in the locality.

                                               

                                              3. The government should set up a department in each panchayat/municipal ity that would do quarter-yearly door-to-door surveys to determine the status of children in the society. This department will identify out-of-school children and dropouts.

                                               

                                              4. Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue. 

                                               

                                              5. The syllabus in all schools - CBSE, ICSE or state - should be unified. If members of all these boards participate in the making of the syllabus, the resultant syllabus will be good. Teachers may be used to rot learning techniques. They should be trained to do their jobs without rot learning. 

                                               

                                               

                                              There are more things that need to be done. Hygiene, for example, is  invariably terrible in all schools. Then the training of teachers - the SET exam syllabus. I have no idea how to change anything here. But they should consult experts in education and train teachers for their job.

                                               

                                              I do not have the mail id to forward this to anyone. Can you do it for me? Also, should i ask others to participate?

                                               

                                              Regards

                                              archana 

                                               

                                               

                                               

                                               

                                               

                                               

                                               

                                               

                                               

                                               

                                               

                                               

                                               



                                               

                                              On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com> wrote:

                                              Hi

                                               

                                              Would you like to give five suggestions as requested in this mail ... Think it will be nice for you to participate in this discussion as a citizen with great exp on education of children ...

                                              Dear All,


                                              India has around 230 million children currently in age group 6-16. In the next decade, all these would cross 16 years of age, and reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossible.

                                              Of these, around 30 million would get a chance to study in reasonable to good to excellent quality schools, some in a few good Govt. schools, but mostly private fee charging schools, including those for upper income and elite groups.

                                              Remaining 200 odd million, if ASER and other such official and non-official reports are correct, would receive very poor quality education in the bulk of average government schools or low cost private schools. With RTE provisions and criterion coming in force, it would not be legally feasible for low cost private schools to exist as recognized schools, so the bulk of responsibility of educating these 200 million children will be of Government Schools.

                                              Most of us know, and agree, that average quality of education in most Government Schools is very bad, which means that 200 million of today's children will become adult without receiving a minimum quality school education, which will not only keep them poor and under-developed, but also lead to poor development of the country.

                                              The only solution is to significantly improve the quality of Government schools, with 3-5 years.

                                              I request and invite forum readers to give no more than 5 suggestions that would improve the quality of education in a time bound 3-5 years, so the improvements in learning levels of children can be measured in  concrete manner, by ASER or NCERT studies.

                                              I hope this exercise of sifting through various actionable ideas would not only show a way to move forward, it will also make "Improvements in Govt. Schools within 3-5 years', a declared and formal policy agenda of the Government.

                                              Pankaj Jain


                                              Pankaj
                                               

                                               





                                              --

                                              Cheers
                                              Leena




                                              --
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                                              dear all, pankajs suggestaion should be circulated to all stae Cm to act upon the sugestations and all education secretary should be incolgate thisin their
                                              Message 22 of 25 , Jul 12, 2010
                                                dear all,
                                                pankajs suggestaion should be circulated to all stae Cm to act upon the sugestations and all education secretary should be incolgate thisin their persepective plan,
                                                Mahendra parida
                                                child right activist

                                                On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 1:56 PM, naaz khair <naazkhair@...> wrote:
                                                 

                                                Dear All,
                                                 
                                                I have just returned from a long travel and eversince I have been mulling over this. I have read all the suggestions made so far. They are good.
                                                 
                                                Yes, high time we worked with a sense of purpose and met a deadline of minimum good quality education for 200 million children by 2020. As Pankaj says this is all the time we have before these children today in the age-group of 6-16 years reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossible. 
                                                 
                                                If we fail to meet this deadline, we violate the fundamental right to education of as many as 200 million children and counting. Add to it the far reaching consequences the Country will have to face on the development front!
                                                 
                                                And, I hope, once a set of solutions is in sight, the media will play its part and prove itself for the children of India by actively tracking government pace and efforts to meet the dealine, just as it did for Delhi in case of the Common Wealth Games.
                                                 
                                                Now getting to the point, I humbly submit the following as the way to go in the next 3-5 years:
                                                 
                                                1. Put a cap on teacher transfers- a minimum of so many per state and no more. Transfers to be approved by the Chief Minister. The CMO to monitor teacher absenteeism and teacher punctuality, empowering SMC and Panchayat sub-committee on education for the purpose.
                                                 
                                                2. Give the same management autonomy as Kendriya Vidyalaya to the regular government schools.
                                                 
                                                3. Prestigious awards for best teacher in a cluster (CRC),  best school, best SMC, best Panchayat, best block, best district and best state!
                                                 
                                                4. Plumbers (like electricity linesmen) to ensure proper working of drinking water facility in schools at all times. A sweeper per school to keep school premises and toilets clean. SMC to ensure consumables needed for maintenance and use are provided in case of both drinking water and toilets.
                                                 
                                                 5. A children's group (a group for children that is their own i.e. one which is not formed and led by teachers but facilitated by them) in each school to discuss and share a range of issues affecting them within and outside the school. Regular formal opportunities  for children through this group to present proposals to SMC and the government for implementation.
                                                 
                                                6. Education and related departments to ensure school facilities as mandated by the RTE is in place immediately - school library, computer room, playground etc.
                                                 
                                                Thank you and regards,
                                                 
                                                Naaz
                                                 
                                                 
                                                On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Prof.Kalluri S.Rao <ksrsl@...> wrote:
                                                 

                                                Yes I would add that this must be done apto atleast 7th class. Other langauages can be taught but Hindi should not be imposed on children at the expense of their mother tongue.
                                                 
                                                The problem of India is language and caste
                                                 
                                                KSRao


                                                Kalluri Subba Rao., Ph.D., D.Sc.(IISc),FAS-AP, FAMS., FNASc.,FNA.Hon.Professor & INSA-Senior Scientist,Center for Biotechnology, Institute of Science and Technology (IST) , Jawaharlal Nehru Technological University, Kukatpally, Hyderabad-500085. Email:ksrsl@...

                                                --- On Fri, 7/2/10, B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@...> wrote:

                                                From: B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@...>
                                                Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                                To: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com
                                                Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 12:03 PM


                                                 
                                                this is the most importatn and fundamental suggestion [ i agree with it totally]

                                                Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue.[through mother tongue]

                                                B.K.Passi

                                                 




                                                From: Shaheen Ansari <ansarishaheen@ gmail.com>
                                                To: arkitectindia <arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com>
                                                Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 11:51:48 AM
                                                Subject: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                                                 
                                                FYI


                                                From: Leena Prasad [mailto:leenadivansh@ gmail.com]
                                                Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 08:22
                                                To: Shaheen Ansari
                                                Subject: Fwd: The future of 200 million Children

                                                will you post this on your group in response to a mail asking for suggestions on RTE  - and may be add our volunteer Archana on it as well - 

                                                ---------- Forwarded message ----------
                                                From: ARCHANA RAVI <archa1982@gmail. com>
                                                Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:08 PM
                                                Subject: Re: The future of 200 million Children
                                                To: Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com>

                                                 
                                                My suggestions are:
                                                 
                                                1. All teachers' vacancies should be filled as soon as possible. All contract teachers should be replaced by permanent teachers.
                                                 
                                                2. In schools where the student-teacher ratio is good, naturally the quality is better. Instead of having a school in every km, the rule should be a classroom for every 30 underprivileged children in the locality.
                                                 
                                                3. The government should set up a department in each panchayat/municipal ity that would do quarter-yearly door-to-door surveys to determine the status of children in the society. This department will identify out-of-school children and dropouts.
                                                 
                                                4. Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue. 
                                                 
                                                5. The syllabus in all schools - CBSE, ICSE or state - should be unified. If members of all these boards participate in the making of the syllabus, the resultant syllabus will be good. Teachers may be used to rot learning techniques. They should be trained to do their jobs without rot learning. 
                                                 
                                                 
                                                There are more things that need to be done. Hygiene, for example, is  invariably terrible in all schools. Then the training of teachers - the SET exam syllabus. I have no idea how to change anything here. But they should consult experts in education and train teachers for their job.
                                                 
                                                I do not have the mail id to forward this to anyone. Can you do it for me? Also, should i ask others to participate?
                                                 
                                                Regards
                                                archana 
                                                 
                                                 
                                                 
                                                 
                                                 
                                                 
                                                 
                                                 
                                                 
                                                 
                                                 
                                                 
                                                 


                                                 
                                                On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com> wrote:
                                                Hi

                                                Would you like to give five suggestions as requested in this mail ... Think it will be nice for you to participate in this discussion as a citizen with great exp on education of children ...

                                                Dear All,


                                                India has around 230 million children currently in age group 6-16. In the next decade, all these would cross 16 years of age, and reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossible.

                                                Of these, around 30 million would get a chance to study in reasonable to good to excellent quality schools, some in a few good Govt. schools, but mostly private fee charging schools, including those for upper income and elite groups.

                                                Remaining 200 odd million, if ASER and other such official and non-official reports are correct, would receive very poor quality education in the bulk of average government schools or low cost private schools. With RTE provisions and criterion coming in force, it would not be legally feasible for low cost private schools to exist as recognized schools, so the bulk of responsibility of educating these 200 million children will be of Government Schools.

                                                Most of us know, and agree, that average quality of education in most Government Schools is very bad, which means that 200 million of today's children will become adult without receiving a minimum quality school education, which will not only keep them poor and under-developed, but also lead to poor development of the country.

                                                The only solution is to significantly improve the quality of Government schools, with 3-5 years.

                                                I request and invite forum readers to give no more than 5 suggestions that would improve the quality of education in a time bound 3-5 years, so the improvements in learning levels of children can be measured in  concrete manner, by ASER or NCERT studies.

                                                I hope this exercise of sifting through various actionable ideas would not only show a way to move forward, it will also make "Improvements in Govt. Schools within 3-5 years', a declared and formal policy agenda of the Government.

                                                Pankaj Jain


                                                Pankaj
                                                 

                                                 





                                                --

                                                Cheers
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                                                --

                                                Cheers
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                                                --
                                                Dr. Shaheen Ansari
                                                Arkitect India
                                                C - 336 - ACD / 2 Z, Budha Vihar,(Opp. JNU Gate)
                                                Munirka,New Delhi- 110067

                                                http://educationatd oorsteps. blogspot. com
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                                              • psn.1946
                                                *QUOTE:* ** *(1) * ** *Date:13/07/2010* *URL: http://www.thehindu.com/2010/07/13/stories/2010071350960300.htm* ... Back Tamil
                                                Message 23 of 25 , Jul 12, 2010
                                                  QUOTE:
                                                   
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                                                  Back Tamil Nadu - Erode Middle school in Nathamedu village lacks classrooms
                                                   
                                                   


                                                  Give us space:Students sitting in a cramped classroom at the Panchayat Union Middle School at Nathamedu village in Erode.
                                                   
                                                  ERODE: Teachers at the Ammapet Panchayat Union Middle School at Nathamedu village near here are forced to conduct classes for 74 students, studying in Classes I to V, in a single room.
                                                   
                                                  (2)
                                                   
                                                   
                                                  Date:08/07/2010 URL: http://www.thehindu.com/2010/07/08/stories/2010070853180300.htm
                                                  Back Tamil Nadu - Erode Anganwadi children unsafe in dilapidated building

                                                  Staff Reporter

                                                  The centre also lacks basic amenities
                                                   
                                                   
                                                  Needs attention: The anganwadi at Sempatampalayam village in Ammapet block in Erode district.

                                                  ERODE: The anganwadi at Sepatampalayam village in Ammapet block here is a testimony to the official apathy towards the effective implementation of the Integrated Child Development Scheme (ICDS) in Erode district. The centre functions in a dilapidated building posing threat to the safety of the children attending it.

                                                  “The walls and roof of the centre are in a bad shape that they may collapse any time. A number of parents have stopped sending their children to the centre ,” villagers said.

                                                  Unquote:

                                                  1. Erode is one of the improved districts [Agriculture, Industry, Education, Health & Communication] of TN.

                                                  2. The state is boosting the private schools' fortunes by such actions.

                                                  3. The kids must be the children of small farmers, agri-labourers and small & cottage industry workers and migrant workers.

                                                  4. Ministers and bureaucrats keep talking about 'Samacheer Kalvi' [Uniform Primary Education] putting their kids in posh private and public schools.

                                                  Sankara Narayanan

                                                   

                                                  On 7/12/10, SADANAND PATWARDHAN <2Sadanand@...> wrote:

                                                   

                                                  Dear Pankaj,

                                                   

                                                  Please quote those umpteen studies for our benefit.

                                                  Also could you properly flesh out “properly regulated PPP”.

                                                  Regards,

                                                  Sadanand.

                                                   

                                                  From: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pankaj Jain
                                                  Sent: 11 July 2010 18:47


                                                  To: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com
                                                  Subject: RE: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                                                   

                                                   

                                                  Dear Anjela,

                                                  I can quote umpteen studies with different conclusions, and the academic debate will and ought to continue. However, years are passing by for these 200 million, 6-16 yr. old, Indian children, who are critical to our joint future, and they will miss the bus of school education, if they do not get a decent quality education NOW. All of us agree that the quality of average government school is not acceptable at present, and it is not going to change easily in medium term, so investment in only expansion of existing type of schools is not good enough; we must spend a part of resources (5-10%) for proven and measurable, not just claimed, improvements in children's learning.

                                                  Urgency of this forces me to demand options and suggest ways that produce results TODAY. On balance, I think properly regulated PPP is the answer for TODAY. Good thing with this is that you can easily close down that tomorrow if you find this not working.

                                                  Please consider the future of these 200 million children, and not out ideal type ideological solutions.

                                                  Pankaj Jain
                                                   

                                                  --- On Sun, 7/11/10, Anjela Taneja <Anjela.Taneja@...> wrote:


                                                  From: Anjela Taneja <Anjela.Taneja@...>
                                                  Subject: RE: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                                  To: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com
                                                  Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 12:55 PM

                                                   

                                                  Dear Pankaj,

                                                   

                                                  The discontent with the present system is understandable. However, recommending something that has been shown to fail as a replacement – merit pay for performance on achievement tests etc etc – is not a solution either.

                                                   

                                                  http://www.huffingt onpost.com/ diane-ravitch/ first-lets- fire-all- the-t_b_483074. html

                                                  http://blogs. edweek.org/ edweek/Bridging- Differences/ 2010/06/the_ great_accountabi lity_hoax. html

                                                   

                                                  The above links give a reasonably good summary of the anti argument written by someone who had supported these policies in the US and has since been convinced by the evidence that it simply is not working.  

                                                   

                                                  As to the agenda for reform, again let’s refer to what people are saying in the country that is already practicing what is being proposed as a “new idea” in India :

                                                  http://www.washingt onpost.com/ wp-dyn/content/ article/2010/ 04/01/AR20100401 01468.html

                                                   

                                                  All are popular references, but are backed by research. The person writing them happens to be someone who helped set up these policies as part of both George Bush (elder) and Bill Clinton’s administrations. She is also an established academic. The credentials of the researcher concerned are therefore impeccable.

                                                   

                                                  Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

                                                  Anjela R V Taneja
                                                  Program Officer, Education Theme,
                                                  ActionAid India Country Office
                                                  Mobile: 09958087043


                                                  From: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:arkitectind ia@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Pankaj Jain
                                                  Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 6:00 PM
                                                  To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                                  Subject: RE: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                                                   

                                                   

                                                  Dear Anjela and All,

                                                  I do not have a solution to this big problem, I only have a concern which, I think, is shared by large many.

                                                  I tried to initiate the discussion to stimulate each other's thinking, and some of us might also act on these thoughts.

                                                  Regarding the specific idea of outcome assessment, it is only one systemic way to hold people accountable for their claims, whatever these are. If you have a better way to ensure accountability, which goes beyound unverifiable claims, please do share that with us all. Otherwise, the exercise would just remain empty slogans and claims. It alsoi brings into operation the concern to achieve the goal in a time-bound fashion.

                                                  Pankaj
                                                   
                                                   

                                                  --- On Mon, 7/5/10, Anjela Taneja <Anjela.Taneja@ actionaid. org> wrote:


                                                  From: Anjela Taneja <Anjela.Taneja@ actionaid. org>
                                                  Subject: RE: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                                  To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                                  Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 11:34 AM

                                                   

                                                  Dear Pankaj,

                                                   

                                                  I am unable to understand the rationale of asking others for suggestions, when you proceed to ignore everything others suggest.  However, since you seem to have an idea of investing a tenth of the budget on “learning outcomes” measured by “standardized testing”, it would be useful to understand what sort of activities would you intend those to be- that is apart from the hiring of trained teachers, strengthening teacher training, strengthening decentralization and accountability mechanisms and ensuring availability of learning materials (and overall school infrastructure) in the classroom. All of these have been suggested by multiple posters on this forum and have been rejected by you as inadequate and/or impractical.

                                                   

                                                  However, while you go on to describe your agenda, a quick comment on the use of standardized testing to measure quality. It is arguably the most highly opposed policy in the west (googling for costs of high stakes testing gives 120,000 hits in 0.17 seconds). These include, discrimination against schools with minority (read dalit) populations (which would start with lower test scores), discrimination against minority (read dalit and adivasi) pupils who potentially may pull the school result down, promotion of cheating and corruption (to ensure that the result is maintained), pulling precious resources from teaching (which improves performance) to testing (which only measures it), and has negative impact on the child’s morale (having low performance drilled into you every time), impacting the ability of teachers to innovate (since they have to teach for the “test”) and has converted the process of education into merely achieving marketable basic competencies (in contrast to holistic child development) . Thing is, apart from all this- it is also questionable if the learning levels are actually improving across the board. Consequently, it would be essential to take the current enthusiasm about “testing”, “outcomes” and other related issues with a pinch of salt learning from the countries where this practice was started first.

                                                  Anjela R V Taneja
                                                  Program Officer, Education Theme,
                                                  ActionAid India Country Office
                                                  Mobile: 09958087043


                                                  From: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:arkitectind ia@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Pankaj Jain
                                                  Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 7:09 AM
                                                  To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                                  Subject: Re: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                                                   

                                                   

                                                  Sir/ Madam,

                                                  Most suggestions made for improving quality are good and in the right direction, but I am afraid that most of these may/ will not produce results in a time bound manner, so we shall keep loosing the future of those who keep crossing schooling threshold.

                                                  May be, a policy that links, say 5-10%, of budget to 'learning outcome', will have higher chance of success. When faced with the choice of not having money in the absence of success, mind and body will really concentrate to get the results. It simply means that a section will have to be set up in each State Government's education department to handle 5-10% of education budget that can be spent only when assured gains in children's learning takes place, assessed by an independent agency appointed by the Government. 

                                                  Pankaj Jain
                                                   

                                                  --- On Sat, 7/3/10, naaz khair <naazkhair@gmail. com> wrote:


                                                  From: naaz khair <naazkhair@gmail. com>
                                                  Subject: Re: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                                  To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                                  Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 1:56 PM

                                                   

                                                  Dear All,

                                                   

                                                  I have just returned from a long travel and eversince I have been mulling over this. I have read all the suggestions made so far. They are good.

                                                   

                                                  Yes, high time we worked with a sense of purpose and met a deadline of minimum good quality education for 200 million children by 2020. As Pankaj says this is all the time we have before these children today in the age-group of 6-16 years reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossib le. 

                                                   

                                                  If we fail to meet this deadline, we violate the fundamental right to education of as many as 200 million children and counting. Add to it the far reaching consequences the Country will have to face on the development front!

                                                   

                                                  And, I hope, once a set of solutions is in sight, the media will play its part and prove itself for the children of India by actively tracking government pace and efforts to meet the dealine, just as it did for Delhi in case of the Common Wealth Games.

                                                   

                                                  Now getting to the point, I humbly submit the following as the way to go in the next 3-5 years:

                                                   

                                                  1. Put a cap on teacher transfers- a minimum of so many per state and no more. Transfers to be approved by the Chief Minister. The CMO to monitor teacher absenteeism and teacher punctuality, empowering SMC and Panchayat sub-committee on education for the purpose.

                                                   

                                                  2. Give the same management autonomy as Kendriya Vidyalaya to the regular government schools.

                                                   

                                                  3. Prestigious awards for best teacher in a cluster (CRC),  best school, best SMC, best Panchayat, best block, best district and best state!

                                                   

                                                  4. Plumbers (like electricity linesmen ) to ensure proper working of drinking water facility in schools at all times. A sweeper per school to keep school premises and toilets clean. SMC to ensure consumables needed for maintenance and use are provided in case of both drinking water and toilets.

                                                   

                                                   5. A children's group (a group for children that is their own i.e. one which is not formed and led by teachers but facilitated by them) in each school to discuss and share a range of issues affecting them within and outside the school. Regular formal opportunities  for children through this group to present proposals to SMC and the government for implementation.

                                                   

                                                  6. Education and related departments to ensure school facilities as mandated by the RTE is in place immediately - school library, computer room, playground etc.

                                                   

                                                  Thank you and regards,

                                                   

                                                  Naaz

                                                   

                                                   

                                                  On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Prof.Kalluri S.Rao <ksrsl@yahoo. com> wrote:

                                                   

                                                  Yes I would add that this must be done apto atleast 7th class. Other langauages can be taught but Hindi should not be imposed on children at the expense of their mother tongue.

                                                   

                                                  The problem of India is language and caste

                                                   

                                                  KSRao



                                                  Kalluri Subba Rao., Ph.D., D.Sc.(IISc), FAS-AP, FAMS., FNASc.,FNA.Hon. Professor & INSA-Senior Scientist,Center for Biotechnology, Institute of Science and Technology (IST) , Jawaharlal Nehru Technological University, Kukatpally, Hyderabad-500085. Email:ksrsl@ yahoo.com

                                                  --- On Fri, 7/2/10, B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com> wrote:


                                                  From: B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com>
                                                  Subject: Re: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                                  To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                                  Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 12:03 PM

                                                   

                                                   

                                                  this is the most importatn and fundamental suggestion [ i agree with it totally]

                                                  Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue.[through mother tongue]

                                                  B.K.Passi

                                                   

                                                   

                                                   


                                                  From: Shaheen Ansari <ansarishaheen@ gmail.com>
                                                  To: arkitectindia <arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com>
                                                  Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 11:51:48 AM
                                                  Subject: [Arkitect India ] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                                                   

                                                  FYI

                                                   


                                                  From: Leena Prasad [mailto:leenadivansh@ gmail.com]
                                                  Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 08:22
                                                  To: Shaheen Ansari
                                                  Subject: Fwd: The future of 200 million Children

                                                  will you post this on your group in response to a mail asking for suggestions on RTE  - and may be add our volunteer Archana on it as well - 

                                                  ---------- Forwarded message ----------
                                                  From: ARCHANA RAVI <archa1982@gmail. com>
                                                  Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:08 PM
                                                  Subject: Re: The future of 200 million Children
                                                  To: Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com>

                                                   

                                                  My suggestions are:

                                                   

                                                  1. All teachers' vacancies should be filled as soon as possible. All contract teachers should be replaced by permanent teachers.

                                                   

                                                  2. In schools where the student-teacher ratio is good, naturally the quality is better. Instead of having a school in every km, the rule should be a classroom for every 30 underprivileged children in the locality.

                                                   

                                                  3. The government should set up a department in each panchayat/municipal ity that would do quarter-yearly door-to-door surveys to determine the status of children in the society. This department will identify out-of-school children and dropouts.

                                                   

                                                  4. Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue. 

                                                   

                                                  5. The syllabus in all schools - CBSE, ICSE or state - should be unified. If members of all these boards participate in the making of the syllabus, the resultant syllabus will be good. Teachers may be used to rot learning techniques. They should be trained to do their jobs without rot learning. 

                                                   

                                                   

                                                  There are more things that need to be done. Hygiene, for example, is  invariably terrible in all schools. Then the training of teachers - the SET exam syllabus. I have no idea how to change anything here. But they should consult experts in education and train teachers for their job.

                                                   

                                                  I do not have the mail id to forward this to anyone. Can you do it for me? Also, should i ask others to participate?

                                                   

                                                  Regards

                                                  archana 

                                                   

                                                   

                                                   

                                                   

                                                   

                                                   

                                                   

                                                   

                                                   

                                                   

                                                   

                                                   

                                                   



                                                   

                                                  On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com> wrote:

                                                  Hi

                                                   

                                                  Would you like to give five suggestions as requested in this mail ... Think it will be nice for you to participate in this discussion as a citizen with great exp on education of children ...

                                                  Dear All,


                                                  India has around 230 million children currently in age group 6-16. In the next decade, all these would cross 16 years of age, and reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossible.

                                                  Of these, around 30 million would get a chance to study in reasonable to good to excellent quality schools, some in a few good Govt. schools, but mostly private fee charging schools, including those for upper income and elite groups.

                                                  Remaining 200 odd million, if ASER and other such official and non-official reports are correct, would receive very poor quality education in the bulk of average government schools or low cost private schools. With RTE provisions and criterion coming in force, it would not be legally feasible for low cost private schools to exist as recognized schools, so the bulk of responsibility of educating these 200 million children will be of Government Schools.

                                                  Most of us know, and agree, that average quality of education in most Government Schools is very bad, which means that 200 million of today's children will become adult without receiving a minimum quality school education, which will not only keep them poor and under-developed, but also lead to poor development of the country.

                                                  The only solution is to significantly improve the quality of Government schools, with 3-5 years.

                                                  I request and invite forum readers to give no more than 5 suggestions that would improve the quality of education in a time bound 3-5 years, so the improvements in learning levels of children can be measured in  concrete manner, by ASER or NCERT studies.

                                                  I hope this exercise of sifting through various actionable ideas would not only show a way to move forward, it will also make "Improvements in Govt. Schools within 3-5 years', a declared and formal policy agenda of the Government.

                                                  Pankaj Jain


                                                  Pankaj
                                                   

                                                   





                                                  --

                                                  Cheers
                                                  Leena




                                                  --
                                                  Creativity means to push open the heavy, groaning doorway to life… This is not an easy struggle. Indeed, it may be the most difficult task in the world, for opening the door to your own life is, in the end, more difficult than opening the doors to the mysteries of the universe.
                                                                                                               -Dr. Daisaku Ikeda




                                                  --

                                                  Cheers
                                                  Leena




                                                  --
                                                  Dr. Shaheen Ansari
                                                  Arkitect India
                                                  C - 336 - ACD / 2 Z, Budha Vihar,(Opp. JNU Gate)
                                                  Munirka, New Delhi- 110067

                                                  http://educationatd oorsteps. blogspot. com
                                                  http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/arkitectin dia/




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                                                • Satish Jha
                                                  What is Pankaj suggesting? Improve the quality of schools? They will say what do you think we have been doing? The issue is that we don t even know what
                                                  Message 24 of 25 , Jul 14, 2010
                                                    What is Pankaj suggesting?
                                                    Improve the quality of schools? They will say what do you think we have been doing?
                                                    The issue is that we don't even know what quality schooling is- save the rich schools that throw all they can.
                                                    Can we develop quality school and education in Rs 10 per child per day?
                                                    Even that, I am told at the highest level in the country, is a bit too much to handle.
                                                    So what do you do?
                                                    They are busy installing smart classrooms that look jazzy on day one but contribute little to learning.
                                                    I dont think we are even serious about exploring what is "education" and what is "learning" outside the box that we have chosen for reasons of history.


                                                    On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:45 AM, advocacy . <advocacy@...> wrote:
                                                     

                                                    dear all,
                                                    pankajs suggestaion should be circulated to all stae Cm to act upon the sugestations and all education secretary should be incolgate thisin their persepective plan,
                                                    Mahendra parida
                                                    child right activist

                                                    On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 1:56 PM, naaz khair <naazkhair@...> wrote:
                                                     

                                                    Dear All,
                                                     
                                                    I have just returned from a long travel and eversince I have been mulling over this. I have read all the suggestions made so far. They are good.
                                                     
                                                    Yes, high time we worked with a sense of purpose and met a deadline of minimum good quality education for 200 million children by 2020. As Pankaj says this is all the time we have before these children today in the age-group of 6-16 years reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossible. 
                                                     
                                                    If we fail to meet this deadline, we violate the fundamental right to education of as many as 200 million children and counting. Add to it the far reaching consequences the Country will have to face on the development front!
                                                     
                                                    And, I hope, once a set of solutions is in sight, the media will play its part and prove itself for the children of India by actively tracking government pace and efforts to meet the dealine, just as it did for Delhi in case of the Common Wealth Games.
                                                     
                                                    Now getting to the point, I humbly submit the following as the way to go in the next 3-5 years:
                                                     
                                                    1. Put a cap on teacher transfers- a minimum of so many per state and no more. Transfers to be approved by the Chief Minister. The CMO to monitor teacher absenteeism and teacher punctuality, empowering SMC and Panchayat sub-committee on education for the purpose.
                                                     
                                                    2. Give the same management autonomy as Kendriya Vidyalaya to the regular government schools.
                                                     
                                                    3. Prestigious awards for best teacher in a cluster (CRC),  best school, best SMC, best Panchayat, best block, best district and best state!
                                                     
                                                    4. Plumbers (like electricity linesmen) to ensure proper working of drinking water facility in schools at all times. A sweeper per school to keep school premises and toilets clean. SMC to ensure consumables needed for maintenance and use are provided in case of both drinking water and toilets.
                                                     
                                                     5. A children's group (a group for children that is their own i.e. one which is not formed and led by teachers but facilitated by them) in each school to discuss and share a range of issues affecting them within and outside the school. Regular formal opportunities  for children through this group to present proposals to SMC and the government for implementation.
                                                     
                                                    6. Education and related departments to ensure school facilities as mandated by the RTE is in place immediately - school library, computer room, playground etc.
                                                     
                                                    Thank you and regards,
                                                     
                                                    Naaz
                                                     
                                                     
                                                    On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Prof.Kalluri S.Rao <ksrsl@...> wrote:
                                                     

                                                    Yes I would add that this must be done apto atleast 7th class. Other langauages can be taught but Hindi should not be imposed on children at the expense of their mother tongue.
                                                     
                                                    The problem of India is language and caste
                                                     
                                                    KSRao


                                                    Kalluri Subba Rao., Ph.D., D.Sc.(IISc),FAS-AP, FAMS., FNASc.,FNA.Hon.Professor & INSA-Senior Scientist,Center for Biotechnology, Institute of Science and Technology (IST) , Jawaharlal Nehru Technological University, Kukatpally, Hyderabad-500085. Email:ksrsl@...

                                                    --- On Fri, 7/2/10, B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@...> wrote:

                                                    From: B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@...>
                                                    Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                                    To: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com
                                                    Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 12:03 PM


                                                     
                                                    this is the most importatn and fundamental suggestion [ i agree with it totally]

                                                    Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue.[through mother tongue]

                                                    B.K.Passi

                                                     




                                                    From: Shaheen Ansari <ansarishaheen@ gmail.com>
                                                    To: arkitectindia <arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com>
                                                    Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 11:51:48 AM
                                                    Subject: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                                                     
                                                    FYI


                                                    From: Leena Prasad [mailto:leenadivansh@ gmail.com]
                                                    Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 08:22
                                                    To: Shaheen Ansari
                                                    Subject: Fwd: The future of 200 million Children

                                                    will you post this on your group in response to a mail asking for suggestions on RTE  - and may be add our volunteer Archana on it as well - 

                                                    ---------- Forwarded message ----------
                                                    From: ARCHANA RAVI <archa1982@gmail. com>
                                                    Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:08 PM
                                                    Subject: Re: The future of 200 million Children
                                                    To: Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com>

                                                     
                                                    My suggestions are:
                                                     
                                                    1. All teachers' vacancies should be filled as soon as possible. All contract teachers should be replaced by permanent teachers.
                                                     
                                                    2. In schools where the student-teacher ratio is good, naturally the quality is better. Instead of having a school in every km, the rule should be a classroom for every 30 underprivileged children in the locality.
                                                     
                                                    3. The government should set up a department in each panchayat/municipal ity that would do quarter-yearly door-to-door surveys to determine the status of children in the society. This department will identify out-of-school children and dropouts.
                                                     
                                                    4. Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue. 
                                                     
                                                    5. The syllabus in all schools - CBSE, ICSE or state - should be unified. If members of all these boards participate in the making of the syllabus, the resultant syllabus will be good. Teachers may be used to rot learning techniques. They should be trained to do their jobs without rot learning. 
                                                     
                                                     
                                                    There are more things that need to be done. Hygiene, for example, is  invariably terrible in all schools. Then the training of teachers - the SET exam syllabus. I have no idea how to change anything here. But they should consult experts in education and train teachers for their job.
                                                     
                                                    I do not have the mail id to forward this to anyone. Can you do it for me? Also, should i ask others to participate?
                                                     
                                                    Regards
                                                    archana 
                                                     
                                                     
                                                     
                                                     
                                                     
                                                     
                                                     
                                                     
                                                     
                                                     
                                                     
                                                     
                                                     


                                                     
                                                    On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com> wrote:
                                                    Hi

                                                    Would you like to give five suggestions as requested in this mail ... Think it will be nice for you to participate in this discussion as a citizen with great exp on education of children ...

                                                    Dear All,


                                                    India has around 230 million children currently in age group 6-16. In the next decade, all these would cross 16 years of age, and reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossible.

                                                    Of these, around 30 million would get a chance to study in reasonable to good to excellent quality schools, some in a few good Govt. schools, but mostly private fee charging schools, including those for upper income and elite groups.

                                                    Remaining 200 odd million, if ASER and other such official and non-official reports are correct, would receive very poor quality education in the bulk of average government schools or low cost private schools. With RTE provisions and criterion coming in force, it would not be legally feasible for low cost private schools to exist as recognized schools, so the bulk of responsibility of educating these 200 million children will be of Government Schools.

                                                    Most of us know, and agree, that average quality of education in most Government Schools is very bad, which means that 200 million of today's children will become adult without receiving a minimum quality school education, which will not only keep them poor and under-developed, but also lead to poor development of the country.

                                                    The only solution is to significantly improve the quality of Government schools, with 3-5 years.

                                                    I request and invite forum readers to give no more than 5 suggestions that would improve the quality of education in a time bound 3-5 years, so the improvements in learning levels of children can be measured in  concrete manner, by ASER or NCERT studies.

                                                    I hope this exercise of sifting through various actionable ideas would not only show a way to move forward, it will also make "Improvements in Govt. Schools within 3-5 years', a declared and formal policy agenda of the Government.

                                                    Pankaj Jain


                                                    Pankaj
                                                     

                                                     





                                                    --

                                                    Cheers
                                                    Leena




                                                    --
                                                    Creativity means to push open the heavy, groaning doorway to life… This is not an easy struggle. Indeed, it may be the most difficult task in the world, for opening the door to your own life is, in the end, more difficult than opening the doors to the mysteries of the universe.
                                                                                                                 -Dr. Daisaku Ikeda



                                                    --

                                                    Cheers
                                                    Leena




                                                    --
                                                    Dr. Shaheen Ansari
                                                    Arkitect India
                                                    C - 336 - ACD / 2 Z, Budha Vihar,(Opp. JNU Gate)
                                                    Munirka,New Delhi- 110067

                                                    http://educationatd oorsteps. blogspot. com
                                                    http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/arkitectin dia/






                                                    --
                                                    Naaz Khair





                                                    --
                                                    Satish Jha
                                                    Chairman,
                                                    OLPC India Foundation
                                                    One Cambridge Center
                                                    Cambridge, MA 02142
                                                    T: 301 841 7422
                                                    F:301560 4909
                                                    www.olpcindia.net
                                                    http://twitter.com/olpcindia
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                                                  • Pankaj Jain
                                                    The current education budget allocation in India comes to more than Rs. 5500/- per child (all 320 millions of them, including the middle and upper income
                                                    Message 25 of 25 , Jul 15, 2010
                                                      The current education budget allocation in India comes to more than Rs. 5500/- per child (all 320 millions of them, including the middle and upper income group, per year. You can do a lot with that kind of money.

                                                      Pankaj Jain
                                                        

                                                      --- On Wed, 7/14/10, Satish Jha <satish.jha@...> wrote:

                                                      From: Satish Jha <satish.jha@...>
                                                      Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                                      To: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com
                                                      Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 1:41 PM

                                                       

                                                      What is Pankaj suggesting?
                                                      Improve the quality of schools? They will say what do you think we have been doing?
                                                      The issue is that we don't even know what quality schooling is- save the rich schools that throw all they can.
                                                      Can we develop quality school and education in Rs 10 per child per day?
                                                      Even that, I am told at the highest level in the country, is a bit too much to handle.
                                                      So what do you do?
                                                      They are busy installing smart classrooms that look jazzy on day one but contribute little to learning.
                                                      I dont think we are even serious about exploring what is "education" and what is "learning" outside the box that we have chosen for reasons of history.


                                                      On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:45 AM, advocacy . <advocacy@sify. com> wrote:
                                                       

                                                      dear all,
                                                      pankajs suggestaion should be circulated to all stae Cm to act upon the sugestations and all education secretary should be incolgate thisin their persepective plan,
                                                      Mahendra parida
                                                      child right activist

                                                      On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 1:56 PM, naaz khair <naazkhair@gmail. com> wrote:
                                                       

                                                      Dear All,
                                                       
                                                      I have just returned from a long travel and eversince I have been mulling over this. I have read all the suggestions made so far. They are good.
                                                       
                                                      Yes, high time we worked with a sense of purpose and met a deadline of minimum good quality education for 200 million children by 2020. As Pankaj says this is all the time we have before these children today in the age-group of 6-16 years reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossib le. 
                                                       
                                                      If we fail to meet this deadline, we violate the fundamental right to education of as many as 200 million children and counting. Add to it the far reaching consequences the Country will have to face on the development front!
                                                       
                                                      And, I hope, once a set of solutions is in sight, the media will play its part and prove itself for the children of India by actively tracking government pace and efforts to meet the dealine, just as it did for Delhi in case of the Common Wealth Games.
                                                       
                                                      Now getting to the point, I humbly submit the following as the way to go in the next 3-5 years:
                                                       
                                                      1. Put a cap on teacher transfers- a minimum of so many per state and no more. Transfers to be approved by the Chief Minister. The CMO to monitor teacher absenteeism and teacher punctuality, empowering SMC and Panchayat sub-committee on education for the purpose.
                                                       
                                                      2. Give the same management autonomy as Kendriya Vidyalaya to the regular government schools.
                                                       
                                                      3. Prestigious awards for best teacher in a cluster (CRC),  best school, best SMC, best Panchayat, best block, best district and best state!
                                                       
                                                      4. Plumbers (like electricity linesmen ) to ensure proper working of drinking water facility in schools at all times. A sweeper per school to keep school premises and toilets clean. SMC to ensure consumables needed for maintenance and use are provided in case of both drinking water and toilets.
                                                       
                                                       5. A children's group (a group for children that is their own i.e. one which is not formed and led by teachers but facilitated by them) in each school to discuss and share a range of issues affecting them within and outside the school. Regular formal opportunities  for children through this group to present proposals to SMC and the government for implementation.
                                                       
                                                      6. Education and related departments to ensure school facilities as mandated by the RTE is in place immediately - school library, computer room, playground etc.
                                                       
                                                      Thank you and regards,
                                                       
                                                      Naaz
                                                       
                                                       
                                                      On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Prof.Kalluri S.Rao <ksrsl@yahoo. com> wrote:
                                                       

                                                      Yes I would add that this must be done apto atleast 7th class. Other langauages can be taught but Hindi should not be imposed on children at the expense of their mother tongue.
                                                       
                                                      The problem of India is language and caste
                                                       
                                                      KSRao


                                                      Kalluri Subba Rao., Ph.D., D.Sc.(IISc), FAS-AP, FAMS., FNASc.,FNA.Hon. Professor & INSA-Senior Scientist,Center for Biotechnology, Institute of Science and Technology (IST) , Jawaharlal Nehru Technological University, Kukatpally, Hyderabad-500085. Email:ksrsl@ yahoo.com

                                                      --- On Fri, 7/2/10, B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com> wrote:

                                                      From: B.K.Passi <b_k_passi@yahoo. com>
                                                      Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children
                                                      To: arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com
                                                      Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 12:03 PM


                                                       
                                                      this is the most importatn and fundamental suggestion [ i agree with it totally]

                                                      Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue.[through mother tongue]

                                                      B.K.Passi

                                                       




                                                      From: Shaheen Ansari <ansarishaheen@ gmail.com>
                                                      To: arkitectindia <arkitectindia@ yahoogroups. com>
                                                      Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 11:51:48 AM
                                                      Subject: [Arkitect India] Fwd:The future of 200 million Children

                                                       
                                                      FYI


                                                      From: Leena Prasad [mailto:leenadivansh@ gmail.com]
                                                      Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 08:22
                                                      To: Shaheen Ansari
                                                      Subject: Fwd: The future of 200 million Children

                                                      will you post this on your group in response to a mail asking for suggestions on RTE  - and may be add our volunteer Archana on it as well - 

                                                      ---------- Forwarded message ----------
                                                      From: ARCHANA RAVI <archa1982@gmail. com>
                                                      Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:08 PM
                                                      Subject: Re: The future of 200 million Children
                                                      To: Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com>

                                                       
                                                      My suggestions are:
                                                       
                                                      1. All teachers' vacancies should be filled as soon as possible. All contract teachers should be replaced by permanent teachers.
                                                       
                                                      2. In schools where the student-teacher ratio is good, naturally the quality is better. Instead of having a school in every km, the rule should be a classroom for every 30 underprivileged children in the locality.
                                                       
                                                      3. The government should set up a department in each panchayat/municipal ity that would do quarter-yearly door-to-door surveys to determine the status of children in the society. This department will identify out-of-school children and dropouts.
                                                       
                                                      4. Class 1 should be dedicated to teaching children their mother tongue. 
                                                       
                                                      5. The syllabus in all schools - CBSE, ICSE or state - should be unified. If members of all these boards participate in the making of the syllabus, the resultant syllabus will be good. Teachers may be used to rot learning techniques. They should be trained to do their jobs without rot learning. 
                                                       
                                                       
                                                      There are more things that need to be done. Hygiene, for example, is  invariably terrible in all schools. Then the training of teachers - the SET exam syllabus. I have no idea how to change anything here. But they should consult experts in education and train teachers for their job.
                                                       
                                                      I do not have the mail id to forward this to anyone. Can you do it for me? Also, should i ask others to participate?
                                                       
                                                      Regards
                                                      archana 
                                                       
                                                       
                                                       
                                                       
                                                       
                                                       
                                                       
                                                       
                                                       
                                                       
                                                       
                                                       
                                                       


                                                       
                                                      On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Leena Prasad <leenadivansh@ gmail.com> wrote:
                                                      Hi

                                                      Would you like to give five suggestions as requested in this mail ... Think it will be nice for you to participate in this discussion as a citizen with great exp on education of children ...

                                                      Dear All,


                                                      India has around 230 million children currently in age group 6-16. In the next decade, all these would cross 16 years of age, and reach a stage where more formal education is practically impossible.

                                                      Of these, around 30 million would get a chance to study in reasonable to good to excellent quality schools, some in a few good Govt. schools, but mostly private fee charging schools, including those for upper income and elite groups.

                                                      Remaining 200 odd million, if ASER and other such official and non-official reports are correct, would receive very poor quality education in the bulk of average government schools or low cost private schools. With RTE provisions and criterion coming in force, it would not be legally feasible for low cost private schools to exist as recognized schools, so the bulk of responsibility of educating these 200 million children will be of Government Schools.

                                                      Most of us know, and agree, that average quality of education in most Government Schools is very bad, which means that 200 million of today's children will become adult without receiving a minimum quality school education, which will not only keep them poor and under-developed, but also lead to poor development of the country.

                                                      The only solution is to significantly improve the quality of Government schools, with 3-5 years.

                                                      I request and invite forum readers to give no more than 5 suggestions that would improve the quality of education in a time bound 3-5 years, so the improvements in learning levels of children can be measured in  concrete manner, by ASER or NCERT studies.

                                                      I hope this exercise of sifting through various actionable ideas would not only show a way to move forward, it will also make "Improvements in Govt. Schools within 3-5 years', a declared and formal policy agenda of the Government.

                                                      Pankaj Jain


                                                      Pankaj
                                                       

                                                       





                                                      --

                                                      Cheers
                                                      Leena




                                                      --
                                                      Creativity means to push open the heavy, groaning doorway to life… This is not an easy struggle. Indeed, it may be the most difficult task in the world, for opening the door to your own life is, in the end, more difficult than opening the doors to the mysteries of the universe.
                                                                                                                   -Dr. Daisaku Ikeda



                                                      --

                                                      Cheers
                                                      Leena




                                                      --
                                                      Dr. Shaheen Ansari
                                                      Arkitect India
                                                      C - 336 - ACD / 2 Z, Budha Vihar,(Opp. JNU Gate)
                                                      Munirka,New Delhi- 110067

                                                      http://educationatd oorsteps. blogspot. com
                                                      http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/arkitectin dia/






                                                      --
                                                      Naaz Khair





                                                      --
                                                      Satish Jha
                                                      Chairman,
                                                      OLPC India Foundation
                                                      One Cambridge Center
                                                      Cambridge, MA 02142
                                                      T: 301 841 7422
                                                      F:301560 4909
                                                      www.olpcindia. net
                                                      http://twitter. com/olpcindia
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