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  • ashajim
    Hello! Yes I agree too. Jothi ... From: sunita ojha To: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [arkitectindia] Re: Not
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      Hello!
       
      Yes I agree too.
       
      Jothi
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 4:03 PM
      Subject: Re: [arkitectindia] Re: Not volunteerisim will work,itshouldbecompulsory to serve

       
      Hi,
       
      I agree with Manish when he says "Let's join hands in making the government accountable to us".
       
      Sunita Ojha

       
       
      ashajim <ashajim@...> wrote:
      Hello Deb!
       
      "Compulsory to serve" it is not in everybody's dictionary.
       
      Jothi
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 8:06 PM
      Subject: Re: [arkitectindia] Re: Not volunteerisim will work,it should becompulsory to serve

      Dear friends
       
      I agree with Manish that volunteerism cannot be made mandatory. That goes against the very spirit of it. Also, we need not underestimate the value of urban volunteering. I do agree that there is a need to connect urban youth with rural realities, and at Pravah we do have intensive programs both for school (FUN Camps) and college (SMILE) students. I personally am responsible for organizing the 7-day rural exposure camps for school students which has an element of volunteering built into it, and have experienced first hand how deep an impact even this short exposure can have on students. We need to create more such opportunities for our young generation.
       
      Best regards
       
      Deb
      PRAVAH
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: bmanisk
      Sent: Sunday, 22 May, 2005 5:54 PM
      Subject: [arkitectindia] Re: Not volunteerisim will work, it should be compulsory to serve

      Hi,

      My 2 cents....
      I have seen a lot of general comments made in this mail sequence. Full
      of rhetoric, these comments mean little from the perspective of the
      role of an organization and thus do little to further the cause of
      education in India.
      Rajib Haldhar, the ED of Prayas Institute of Juvenile Justice, says,
      "…ANYONE COMMITTED TO CONTRIBUTE MEANINGFULLY MUST work in the rural
      areas and work 'with' the people, not for the people." [Capitalized
      and Italicized for emphasis]. Although, there is nothing wrong in
      working in rural areas, I don't see why it is meaningless to work in
      Urban Areas if one wishes to contribute (To the society, I presume, as
      Rajib has not specified anything). I hope, he means that, since
      villages are home to a large population, a program which just focuses
      on the urban areas will fail to have an impact on this group.

      Similarly, Wasim says, "I feel the need FOR ALL OF US to know
      intrinsically the villages of our country and the people living there.
      Such programs will not only bring us closer to reality, but will also
      hopefully force us to think on constructive lines as to the need of a
      proper shaping of the nation." Again, a sweeping statement, bordering
      on the rhetoric. I don't understand why this obsession with villages.
      I don't think all of us need to intrinsically know the villages and
      the people living there. In fact, the above quote is meaningless. What
      do you mean by intrinsically knowing the villages, etc?
      People have gone as far as taking Shahabudin's general truism as
      something in favor of Wasim's Idea.

      I have been following the discussion chain on making higher studies
      students teach the uneducated villagers voluntarily/compulsorily.
      According to me, both the approaches are wrong. Volunteerism is
      outright ridiculous. As soon as you make teaching in villages a
      prerequisite of getting higher education degree, there is no
      volunteerism left. With the sublime spirit of voluntarism, some of the
      sentimental youth may march to the villages to do their bit, and I
      don't have a problem with that. It has been happening in India for
      more than a hundred years now. If you do not want to focus on your own
      higher education, and rather feel that going to villages to teach them
      what you learnt 10 years back is a good idea, I would not stop you. By
      all means you are free to do it.
      However, making this compulsory is an idea that is not only
      fundamentally wrong but also dangerous. This is what I want to dwell
      on in the remainder of this mail.

      Higher education prepares a person to gain an in-depth understanding
      of his/her discipline. An engineer learns the methods of engineering,
      which he will apply once he goes to industry. Without this knowledge,
      it would be impossible to imagine the production of so many
      goods/machineries/tools etc. Similarly, a MBBS student will learn in
      his studies various things related to medicines which he would use to
      cure people once he becomes a doctor. I am sure, no one will go to a
      volunteer teacher, when he wants to be treated for Meningitis or
      Asthma. Similarly, no one would go to a volunteer teacher to get the
      design of a complex flyover.
      Similarly, all other higher education disciplines have a role in the
      knowledge system – a role which directly translates into some
      practical application in the real life. It is absurd to expect ALL of
      these students of higher education to teach in villages. Not only
      absurd, it is counter productive.
      I have taken examples from the science streams. This does not mean
      that fields of social sciences are any less important. Had this been
      so, those streams would have long been out of the university system
      all over the world. However, as the purpose of the present mail is not
      to count the merits of each and every branch of knowledge, I would not
      go in those details.
      Teaching is yet another very important profession in modern society. I
      would not dare say that it is any less important than the job of
      engineer, doctor or social scientist. For the same reason, I would not
      even suggest that primary/secondary education should be taken lightly
      by a society. It is very important that each and every member of our
      society gets an opportunity to receive education in a health
      environment. But unfortunately, India has had a pathetic record when
      it comes to education. Successive governments have diluted the
      education system and undermined its reach and effectiveness. If you
      have a look at the history of education in India, you would notice
      that this is not the first time that the government and a section of
      public want to replace the formal system of education by some kind of
      ad-hoc system.
      Supporting any such move is dangerous because then you are indirectly
      conniving with the enemies of public education. This is what
      government wants. Keeping the intellectuals silent while it
      systematically cuts its constitutionally obligatory education
      expenditure and then route the same public money/effort through
      indirect channels which are not at all accountable to the masses.
      Replacing the regular schools and regular teachers with free of cost
      volunteers(?), teaching here and there with little to help them
      enforce the rigor and discipline of education is what will happen if
      the idea is implemented.
      I know, by now many of the readers would be thinking of all the
      possible ways to make the system of compulsory voluntarism make work.
      But I would suggest that they should also give a thought to the fact
      that teaching, just like any other profession is a specialized and
      full time profession, requiring monetary investment and institutional
      support. By eliminating these basic supporing structures of education
      will make it ineffective.
      It is important to realize that the government was and is the biggest
      investor in education. It has money and has constitutional obligation
      to educate all its citizens. They have to allocate enough money to
      construct school and appoint teachers and make boards of education
      etc. We would much rather make the teachers teach  than become amateur
      teachers ourselves.
      Let's join hands in making the government accountable to us. Let's not
      try to do what someone else is supposed to do. Let's make them do
      their job. I would much rather fight to see that millions of
      unemployed educated youth get a full time job and get paid in cash.
      Even if it means that higher tax forces the rich cut down their
      Singapore family trips and Five Star hotel expenses. Why should the
      poor students teach for free?
      A good starting point would be to gain a deeper understanding into the
      issue of education. http://india.eu.org/680.html and
      http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl1826/18261070.htm
      would make an informative reading.  We do need to organize and take up
      "advocacy" as Hilal says. But not for a retrograde cause.


      Regards
      Manish


      --- In arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com, Hilal Bhat <hilalbhatt@y...> wrote:
      > dear all
      > itz heartening to read regular postings on idea of
      > advocating for enganging college/university level
      > students in imparting education in marginalised areas.
      > We really can not ignore the point put up by Zahoor
      > that never force things on unwillings. But how many of
      > them would be unwilling is the point we need to think
      > upon. The real issue is 'organizing' and 'advocating.
      > '
      > we really need to start organizing the interested
      > people. On the sidelines of that we can keep debating
      > volunteery or compulsive or whatever. I hope more
      > people will join the debate so that we come up with a
      > concrete action plan which would answer fundamentals
      > like what, when, who, where and how of organising the
      > like minded.
      > Regards
      > Hilal Bhatt
      > Save the Children (UK)
      > (M) 09419041548
      >
      > --- siddiqi zahoor <zahoor_col@y...> wrote:
      >
      > > Dear Hilal,
      > >                To begin with let us organise those
      > > people who r really willing to spare some time
      > > for the rural poor.And by doing some initial work in
      > > the villages we may invite others also to join
      > > us. In a week if u teach the school boys and girls
      > > how to write and speak 5 sentences correctly it will
      > > be a real achievement.Never force things on
      > > unwillings;convince them to treat
      > > villages an integral part-rather the real part- of
      > > our country.   with lot of love, zahoor siddiqi
      > >                                                    
      > >   
      > > Hilal Bhat <hilalbhatt@y...> wrote:
      > > dear all
      > > The idea i guess is not that of serving the rural
      > > schools on volunteery basis (as Mr Haldar interprets
      > > the message). It should be rather compulsory for
      > > university/college students to serve for a fixed
      > > period of time in rural side. That is what for i
      > > suggest we should launch kind of advocacy so that
      > > itz
      > > implemented.
      > > There are many schools in rural side where a single
      > > teacher handles at least six classes each class
      > > having
      > > six subjects. It is simply pathetic. Those pursuing
      > > higher education can be of great help here. Despite
      > > 1:25 teacher student ratio as per the government
      > > norms
      > > there is yet lot of imblance in the ration
      > > especially
      > > in the ruralside.
      > > I hope we organsie ourselves and launch a strong
      > > campaign in this direction.
      > > regards
      > > Hilal Bhat
      > > Save the Children (UK)
      > > (M) 09419041548
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > --- Rajib K Haldar <rajibhaldar@r...>
      > > wrote:
      > > >   Dear All:
      > > > I think, if the voluntary sector and volunteerism
      > > is
      > > > to grow personally, anyone committed to contribute
      > > > meaningfully must work in the rural areas and work
      > > > 'with' the people, not for the people. At the same
      > > > time, one needs to realise that the voluntary
      > > sector
      > > > needs expertise and professionalism. There needs
      > > to
      > > > have balance as well.
      > > >
      > > > Hope, you all will debate and dialogue on these
      > > > lines.
      > > >
      > > > Regards,
      > > >
      > > > Rajib K. Haldar
      > > > Exective Director
      > > > Prayas Institute of Juvenile Justice
      > > > New Delhi
      > > > Cell; 9810624285
      > > > www.prayaschildren.org
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > On Sat, 07 May 2005 Hilal Bhat wrote :
      > > > >Dear friends
      > > > >wasim's sugestion seconded by syed shahabudin is
      > > > >simply wonderful provided we spare some time for
      > > > the
      > > > >idea and go on advocating at different levels. I
      > > > >really look forward to initiate a discussion on
      > > > >psoposition before actualy the advocacy can be
      > > > taken
      > > > >up.
      > > > >
      > > > >Rgds
      > > > >Hilal Bhat
      > > > >
      > > > >--- Syed Shahabuddin <muslim@d...>
      > > > wrote:
      > > > > > 25 April, 2005
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Dear Mr. Wasim,
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Your email of 23 April, 2005. I endorse your
      > > > general
      > > > > > proposition but there can be many ways for
      > > > repaying
      > > > > > one's debt to the Society during the learning
      > > as
      > > > > > well as the earning phase, in their own field
      > > as
      > > > > > well as in the general field of voluntary
      > > social
      > > > > > work. Best wishes. Shahabuddin.
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > >   ----- Original Message -----
      > > > > >   From: Wasim
      > > > > >   To: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com
      > > > > >   Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 6:13 PM
      > > > > >   Subject: [arkitectindia] Your Comment Plz
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > >   Sir,
      > > > > >
      > > > > >   I have some views on the need to make it
      > > > > > compulsory for students
      > > > > >   pursuing higher education to discharge their
      > > > > > duties towards the
      > > > > >   nation.
      > > > > >
      > > > > >   Maybe there can be a compulsory program for
      > > > the
      > > > > > students to teach in
      > > > > >   rural areas for some specified period which
      > > > can be
      > > > > > regarded as part of
      > > > > >   the curriculum.
      > > > > >
      > > > > >   I feel the need for all of us to know
      > > > > > intrinsically the villages of
      > > > > >   our country and the people living there.
      > > Such
      > > > > > programs will not only bring us closer to
      > > > reality,
      > > > > > but will also hopefully force us to think on
      > > > > > constructive lines as to the need of a proper
      > > > > > shaping of the nation.
      > > > > >
      > > > > >   regards
      > > > > >
      > > > > >   Wasim
      > > > > >   wasimraja81@h...
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