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  • Surendra Srivastava
    *Media Release* (Hyderabad, 23/12/2013) *AP voters should emulate their* *Delhi counterparts: Lok Satta Partry* Lok Satta Party national President Dr.
    Message 1 of 13 , Dec 23, 2013

    Media Release

    (Hyderabad, 23/12/2013)

     

    AP voters should emulate their

    Delhi counterparts: Lok Satta Partry

     

    Lok Satta Party national President Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan today whole-heartedly congratulated Mr. Arvind Kejriwal of the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) on accepting the Lt. Governor’s invitation to form the Government of the Union Territory of Delhi.

     

    “AAP led by Mr. Arvind Kejriwal and a large band of young, committed volunteers has written a new chapter in the evolution of Indian democracy,” said Dr. JP in a media statement.

     

    Underlining that creation of new ethical and rational politics for the next generation is the need of the hour Dr. JP recalled that the Lok Satta Party had been founded with that objective.

     

    “AAP’s spectacular debut in electoral politics is a significant step forward for transforming the politics of the country.”

     

    Saying that Delhi voters deserve all congratulations and gratitude for supporting new politics, Dr. JP said, “Now it is for voters elsewhere, particularly in troubled Andhra Pradesh, to rise as one and reject politics of money power and sectarianism and utilize the voting power to transform politics.”

     

    Dr. JP wished all the success to the AAP Government in fulfilling people’s aspirations.

     

     

     

    For Lok Satta Party




    --

    Regards,

    Surendra Srivastava
    Volunteer - Lok Satta Aandolan
    Tel: +91 22 2377 2279 Email: surendra@... , 
    URL: www.surendrasrivastava.com
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  • Pankaj Jain
    Gandhiji had advised Congress to not convert itself into a political party as pre-independence movement had wider participation of people with diverse
    Message 2 of 13 , Dec 23, 2013
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      Gandhiji had advised Congress to not convert itself into a political party as pre-independence movement had wider participation of people with diverse political preferences. Use of the goodwill of independence movement by the then leadership to win election and political power was, to say the least, immoral use of independence struggle.

      Likewise, the use of anti-corruption movement by a small group of political hopefuls is immoral. After all, the anti-corruption movement was supported and led by many people who are political opponents of AAP.

      As far as the claims of integrity of AAP is concerned, it can be tested only after they have been in power for a long period. In the beginning of any political journey, all political parties start as clean-honest. the test of integrity comes when you enjoy power of patronage for long and still remain unsullied. Many political leaders have passed that test, certainly not the AAP leadership.

      When would we go by action, and not just talk?

      Pankaj
        



      On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 12:08 PM, Surendra Srivastava <surendra.srivastava@...> wrote:
       
      Media Release
      (Hyderabad, 23/12/2013)
       
      AP voters should emulate their
      Delhi counterparts: Lok Satta Partry
       
      Lok Satta Party national President Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan today whole-heartedly congratulated Mr. Arvind Kejriwal of the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) on accepting the Lt. Governor’s invitation to form the Government of the Union Territory of Delhi.
       
      “AAP led by Mr. Arvind Kejriwal and a large band of young, committed volunteers has written a new chapter in the evolution of Indian democracy,” said Dr. JP in a media statement.
       
      Underlining that creation of new ethical and rational politics for the next generation is the need of the hour Dr. JP recalled that the Lok Satta Party had been founded with that objective.
       
      “AAP’s spectacular debut in electoral politics is a significant step forward for transforming the politics of the country.”
       
      Saying that Delhi voters deserve all congratulations and gratitude for supporting new politics, Dr. JP said, “Now it is for voters elsewhere, particularly in troubled Andhra Pradesh, to rise as one and reject politics of money power and sectarianism and utilize the voting power to transform politics.”
       
      Dr. JP wished all the success to the AAP Government in fulfilling people’s aspirations.
       
       
       
      For Lok Satta Party



      --

      Regards,

      Surendra Srivastava
      Volunteer - Lok Satta Aandolan
      Tel: +91 22 2377 2279 Email: surendra@... , 
      URL: www.surendrasrivastava.com
      The Answer to "Bad Politics" is "Good Politics"  Not "No Politics"  - Dr. JP, Lok Satta Aandolan
      [Wikipedia] [Facebook] [Twitter] [Why Loksatta?][www.killcorruption.org][Video]
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    • Ujjwal K Chowdhury
      Mr Pankaj, if the integrity of AAP members can be checked ONLY after they assume power etc as you say, then ALLOW them to do that. One can surely continue
      Message 3 of 13 , Dec 26, 2013
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        Mr Pankaj, if the integrity of AAP members can be checked ONLY after they assume power etc as you say, then ALLOW them to do that. One can surely continue social change movements outside the purview of active politics. It is necessary, nothing wrong, rather very good for democracy. The nation is grateful to people like Anna Hazare, Aruna Roy, Medha Patkar.

        But the same democracy also calls for a slightly different view, that the nation can be changed only from within, through honest politics and efficient decision making. That is what AAP is doing. You may disagree. BUT IT DOES NOT become IMMORAL.

        Congress was the force of independence struggle. Individual Congress leaders could have made party/parties in different names. That was Gandhiji's thought when he said what he said. AAP is NOT Anna Movement. It is the political expression of the thoughts that led to the movement.

        Rather than trying to vilify an honest attempt in politics, you may kindly put your good energies in fighting corrupt and communal politics and social change. Welcome probity, integrity in politics if some bold courageous people are trying to that.

        Sorry to have butted in with my views, though I am now out of India. At the moment. We from all over the world is looking at AAP with great HOPE. Why don't you join us too?


        On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Pankaj Jain <pjain2002@...> wrote:
         

        Gandhiji had advised Congress to not convert itself into a political party as pre-independence movement had wider participation of people with diverse political preferences. Use of the goodwill of independence movement by the then leadership to win election and political power was, to say the least, immoral use of independence struggle.

        Likewise, the use of anti-corruption movement by a small group of political hopefuls is immoral. After all, the anti-corruption movement was supported and led by many people who are political opponents of AAP.

        As far as the claims of integrity of AAP is concerned, it can be tested only after they have been in power for a long period. In the beginning of any political journey, all political parties start as clean-honest. the test of integrity comes when you enjoy power of patronage for long and still remain unsullied. Many political leaders have passed that test, certainly not the AAP leadership.

        When would we go by action, and not just talk?

        Pankaj
          



        On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 12:08 PM, Surendra Srivastava <surendra.srivastava@...> wrote:
         
        Media Release
        (Hyderabad, 23/12/2013)
         
        AP voters should emulate their
        Delhi counterparts: Lok Satta Partry
         
        Lok Satta Party national President Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan today whole-heartedly congratulated Mr. Arvind Kejriwal of the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) on accepting the Lt. Governor’s invitation to form the Government of the Union Territory of Delhi.
         
        “AAP led by Mr. Arvind Kejriwal and a large band of young, committed volunteers has written a new chapter in the evolution of Indian democracy,” said Dr. JP in a media statement.
         
        Underlining that creation of new ethical and rational politics for the next generation is the need of the hour Dr. JP recalled that the Lok Satta Party had been founded with that objective.
         
        “AAP’s spectacular debut in electoral politics is a significant step forward for transforming the politics of the country.”
         
        Saying that Delhi voters deserve all congratulations and gratitude for supporting new politics, Dr. JP said, “Now it is for voters elsewhere, particularly in troubled Andhra Pradesh, to rise as one and reject politics of money power and sectarianism and utilize the voting power to transform politics.”
         
        Dr. JP wished all the success to the AAP Government in fulfilling people’s aspirations.
         
         
         
        For Lok Satta Party



        --

        Regards,

        Surendra Srivastava
        Volunteer - Lok Satta Aandolan
        Tel: +91 22 2377 2279 Email: surendra@... , 
        URL: www.surendrasrivastava.com
        The Answer to "Bad Politics" is "Good Politics"  Not "No Politics"  - Dr. JP, Lok Satta Aandolan
        [Wikipedia] [Facebook] [Twitter] [Why Loksatta?][www.killcorruption.org][Video]
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        --
        Prof Ujjwal K Chowdhury
        Senior Consultant with New Business Age-Abhiyan Group, Kathmandu.
        President, Advisory Board, Whistling Woods School of Communication, Mumbai 
        Former Director, Symbiosis Institute of Media & Communication & Dean, SIU, Pune.
        Former Media Adviser, Textiles Ministry, GOI; The Nippon Foundation; and WHO, India.
      • Daniel Mazgaonkar
        This analogy is absolutely wrong. I know, the BJP and Sangha Parivar people will try to go to any extent to downgrade the new efforts that are being put into
        Message 4 of 13 , Dec 29, 2013
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          This analogy is absolutely wrong.

          I know, the BJP and Sangha Parivar people will try to go to any extent to downgrade the new efforts that are being put into making the present politics based on Truth, Non-violence, Justice and Peace.

          For they want Hindu Rashtra.

          Daniel Mazgaonkar
          Sarvodaya worker.
          On 24 December 2013 13:28, Pankaj Jain <pjain2002@...> wrote:
           

          Gandhiji had advised Congress to not convert itself into a political party as pre-independence movement had wider participation of people with diverse political preferences. Use of the goodwill of independence movement by the then leadership to win election and political power was, to say the least, immoral use of independence struggle.

          Likewise, the use of anti-corruption movement by a small group of political hopefuls is immoral. After all, the anti-corruption movement was supported and led by many people who are political opponents of AAP.

          As far as the claims of integrity of AAP is concerned, it can be tested only after they have been in power for a long period. In the beginning of any political journey, all political parties start as clean-honest. the test of integrity comes when you enjoy power of patronage for long and still remain unsullied. Many political leaders have passed that test, certainly not the AAP leadership.

          When would we go by action, and not just talk?

          Pankaj
            



          On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 12:08 PM, Surendra Srivastava <surendra.srivastava@...> wrote:
           
          Media Release
          (Hyderabad, 23/12/2013)
           
          AP voters should emulate their
          Delhi counterparts: Lok Satta Partry
           
          Lok Satta Party national President Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan today whole-heartedly congratulated Mr. Arvind Kejriwal of the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) on accepting the Lt. Governor’s invitation to form the Government of the Union Territory of Delhi.
           
          “AAP led by Mr. Arvind Kejriwal and a large band of young, committed volunteers has written a new chapter in the evolution of Indian democracy,” said Dr. JP in a media statement.
           
          Underlining that creation of new ethical and rational politics for the next generation is the need of the hour Dr. JP recalled that the Lok Satta Party had been founded with that objective.
           
          “AAP’s spectacular debut in electoral politics is a significant step forward for transforming the politics of the country.”
           
          Saying that Delhi voters deserve all congratulations and gratitude for supporting new politics, Dr. JP said, “Now it is for voters elsewhere, particularly in troubled Andhra Pradesh, to rise as one and reject politics of money power and sectarianism and utilize the voting power to transform politics.”
           
          Dr. JP wished all the success to the AAP Government in fulfilling people’s aspirations.
           
           
           
          For Lok Satta Party



          --

          Regards,

          Surendra Srivastava
          Volunteer - Lok Satta Aandolan
          Tel: +91 22 2377 2279 Email: surendra@... , 
          URL: www.surendrasrivastava.com
          The Answer to "Bad Politics" is "Good Politics"  Not "No Politics"  - Dr. JP, Lok Satta Aandolan
          [Wikipedia] [Facebook] [Twitter] [Why Loksatta?][www.killcorruption.org][Video]
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          -----------------
          र्म - जाति - पंथ - भाषा - पक्ष - प्रांत
          विषमता का अंत याने सर्वोदय.



        • Daniel Mazgaonkar
          I totally agree with Prof. Ujjwalbhai. He has hit the right chord and raised very important issues. But Prof. do understand that there is a group which will
          Message 5 of 13 , Dec 29, 2013
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            I totally agree with Prof. Ujjwalbhai.

            He has hit the right chord and raised very important issues. But Prof. do understand that there is a group which will always vilify any good effort. But that apart. I totally agree with all your points. I only hope sanity will previal.

            Daniel Mazgaonkar
            Sarvodaya Movement
            Mumbai.


            On 26 December 2013 18:16, Ujjwal K Chowdhury <ujjwalk.chowdhury@...> wrote:
             

            Mr Pankaj, if the integrity of AAP members can be checked ONLY after they assume power etc as you say, then ALLOW them to do that. One can surely continue social change movements outside the purview of active politics. It is necessary, nothing wrong, rather very good for democracy. The nation is grateful to people like Anna Hazare, Aruna Roy, Medha Patkar.

            But the same democracy also calls for a slightly different view, that the nation can be changed only from within, through honest politics and efficient decision making. That is what AAP is doing. You may disagree. BUT IT DOES NOT become IMMORAL.

            Congress was the force of independence struggle. Individual Congress leaders could have made party/parties in different names. That was Gandhiji's thought when he said what he said. AAP is NOT Anna Movement. It is the political expression of the thoughts that led to the movement.

            Rather than trying to vilify an honest attempt in politics, you may kindly put your good energies in fighting corrupt and communal politics and social change. Welcome probity, integrity in politics if some bold courageous people are trying to that.

            Sorry to have butted in with my views, though I am now out of India. At the moment. We from all over the world is looking at AAP with great HOPE. Why don't you join us too?


            On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Pankaj Jain <pjain2002@...> wrote:
             

            Gandhiji had advised Congress to not convert itself into a political party as pre-independence movement had wider participation of people with diverse political preferences. Use of the goodwill of independence movement by the then leadership to win election and political power was, to say the least, immoral use of independence struggle.

            Likewise, the use of anti-corruption movement by a small group of political hopefuls is immoral. After all, the anti-corruption movement was supported and led by many people who are political opponents of AAP.

            As far as the claims of integrity of AAP is concerned, it can be tested only after they have been in power for a long period. In the beginning of any political journey, all political parties start as clean-honest. the test of integrity comes when you enjoy power of patronage for long and still remain unsullied. Many political leaders have passed that test, certainly not the AAP leadership.

            When would we go by action, and not just talk?

            Pankaj
              



            On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 12:08 PM, Surendra Srivastava <surendra.srivastava@...> wrote:
             
            Media Release
            (Hyderabad, 23/12/2013)
             
            AP voters should emulate their
            Delhi counterparts: Lok Satta Partry
             
            Lok Satta Party national President Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan today whole-heartedly congratulated Mr. Arvind Kejriwal of the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) on accepting the Lt. Governor’s invitation to form the Government of the Union Territory of Delhi.
             
            “AAP led by Mr. Arvind Kejriwal and a large band of young, committed volunteers has written a new chapter in the evolution of Indian democracy,” said Dr. JP in a media statement.
             
            Underlining that creation of new ethical and rational politics for the next generation is the need of the hour Dr. JP recalled that the Lok Satta Party had been founded with that objective.
             
            “AAP’s spectacular debut in electoral politics is a significant step forward for transforming the politics of the country.”
             
            Saying that Delhi voters deserve all congratulations and gratitude for supporting new politics, Dr. JP said, “Now it is for voters elsewhere, particularly in troubled Andhra Pradesh, to rise as one and reject politics of money power and sectarianism and utilize the voting power to transform politics.”
             
            Dr. JP wished all the success to the AAP Government in fulfilling people’s aspirations.
             
             
             
            For Lok Satta Party



            --

            Regards,

            Surendra Srivastava
            Volunteer - Lok Satta Aandolan
            Tel: +91 22 2377 2279 Email: surendra@... , 
            URL: www.surendrasrivastava.com
            The Answer to "Bad Politics" is "Good Politics"  Not "No Politics"  - Dr. JP, Lok Satta Aandolan
            [Wikipedia] [Facebook] [Twitter] [Why Loksatta?][www.killcorruption.org][Video]
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            Disclaimer: My mailing list is intended to create awareness, not spam. If you'd rather not receive these messages, do let me know.

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            --
            Prof Ujjwal K Chowdhury
            Senior Consultant with New Business Age-Abhiyan Group, Kathmandu.
            President, Advisory Board, Whistling Woods School of Communication, Mumbai 
            Former Director, Symbiosis Institute of Media & Communication & Dean, SIU, Pune.
            Former Media Adviser, Textiles Ministry, GOI; The Nippon Foundation; and WHO, India.




            --

            व्यक्तिगत मन की गति जहाँ कुंठित होती है वह वैकुंठ
            -----------------
            र्म - जाति - पंथ - भाषा - पक्ष - प्रांत
            विषमता का अंत याने सर्वोदय.



          • Pankaj Jain
            Dear Mr. Ujjawal K Chowdhury,  You say  Why don t you join us too? . Isn t it a representation of arrogance and self-righteousness of truly high order to
            Message 6 of 13 , Dec 30, 2013
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              Dear Mr. Ujjawal K Chowdhury, 

              You say " Why don't you join us too?".

              Isn't it a representation of arrogance and self-righteousness of truly high order to believe that to meet the goal of supporting honest politics, one should join you or AAP. 

              Don't you think that a call by, say, Mr. Chouhan, CM of MP, Or Dr. Harsh Vardhan of Delhi, who seemingly have a proven record of integrity and honesty even after being in power and politics, for decades, to join BJP will be more justified. The record of many other political leaders, including of Mr. Mody and many left leaders, likewise, shows proven, not just self-declared, integrity even after being in politics and power for decades. Wouldn't a call by these be more credible invitation to join politics of integrity?  

              As most of us know, and Mr. Kejriwal admitted only yesterday, most Government officers are honest, though some are not. Likewise, a large number of politicians are, in fact, honest, though cynics might say otherwise.  

              You may also like to reflect on the fact that much derided political class in India has served the nation much better in doing its core tasks, of (i) providing representations to ALL sections of our population, and (ii) providing a reasonably good-sound legal framework, which is second to none in the world. In contrast, the bureaucracy, judiciary, media, or academia have far worse attainments in their respective domains of delivering efficient public services, timely justice, unbiased information, and new knowledge development-dissemination, nowhere world-class. 

              Further, I hope you would agree that honesty is only one part of being effective political leader. Having sensible policy is as important. Ater all, nobody has accused Mao, Lenin, or our own Jyoti Basu to be corrupt, but each of them led their nation-people to ruinous results. Do you really think that the declared policy package, left of left,  of AAP can be a source of nation's growth? Even on corruption, and Lokpal bill, people of great proven integrity and honesty have differences of opinion from Mr. Kejriwal/ AAP, so taking him as the exemplar promoter of integrity is  dangerous for the fight to eliminate corruption. In fact, the populist policies of AAP, to provide subsidized water or electricity, and expansion of corrupt PDS are sure harbinger of corruption in public life. 

              We should all hope for a better political order, but these hopes better be grounded in the 'record of actions/ performance', and not on 'yet empty promises/ words'.  

              In spite of my reservation and caution, AAP  has a right to join politics and you have a right to support them, but please spare us your arrogant self-righteousness, that you alone know the true path. This view is more fundamentalist than the call to arms of Jihadi warriors, who claim to be following the word of their God. 

              Pankaj  



              On Monday, December 30, 2013 10:42 AM, Ujjwal K Chowdhury <ujjwalk.chowdhury@...> wrote:
               
              Mr Pankaj, if the integrity of AAP members can be checked ONLY after they assume power etc as you say, then ALLOW them to do that. One can surely continue social change movements outside the purview of active politics. It is necessary, nothing wrong, rather very good for democracy. The nation is grateful to people like Anna Hazare, Aruna Roy, Medha Patkar.

              But the same democracy also calls for a slightly different view, that the nation can be changed only from within, through honest politics and efficient decision making. That is what AAP is doing. You may disagree. BUT IT DOES NOT become IMMORAL.

              Congress was the force of independence struggle. Individual Congress leaders could have made party/parties in different names. That was Gandhiji's thought when he said what he said. AAP is NOT Anna Movement. It is the political expression of the thoughts that led to the movement.

              Rather than trying to vilify an honest attempt in politics, you may kindly put your good energies in fighting corrupt and communal politics and social change. Welcome probity, integrity in politics if some bold courageous people are trying to that.

              Sorry to have butted in with my views, though I am now out of India. At the moment. We from all over the world is looking at AAP with great HOPE. Why don't you join us too?


              On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Pankaj Jain <pjain2002@...> wrote:
               
              Gandhiji had advised Congress to not convert itself into a political party as pre-independence movement had wider participation of people with diverse political preferences. Use of the goodwill of independence movement by the then leadership to win election and political power was, to say the least, immoral use of independence struggle.

              Likewise, the use of anti-corruption movement by a small group of political hopefuls is immoral. After all, the anti-corruption movement was supported and led by many people who are political opponents of AAP.

              As far as the claims of integrity of AAP is concerned, it can be tested only after they have been in power for a long period. In the beginning of any political journey, all political parties start as clean-honest. the test of integrity comes when you enjoy power of patronage for long and still remain unsullied. Many political leaders have passed that test, certainly not the AAP leadership.

              When would we go by action, and not just talk?

              Pankaj
                



              On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 12:08 PM, Surendra Srivastava <surendra.srivastava@...> wrote:
               
              Media Release
              (Hyderabad, 23/12/2013)
               
              AP voters should emulate their
              Delhi counterparts: Lok Satta Partry
               
              Lok Satta Party national President Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan today whole-heartedly congratulated Mr. Arvind Kejriwal of the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) on accepting the Lt. Governor’s invitation to form the Government of the Union Territory of Delhi.
               
              “AAP led by Mr. Arvind Kejriwal and a large band of young, committed volunteers has written a new chapter in the evolution of Indian democracy,” said Dr. JP in a media statement.
               
              Underlining that creation of new ethical and rational politics for the next generation is the need of the hour Dr. JP recalled that the Lok Satta Party had been founded with that objective.
               
              “AAP’s spectacular debut in electoral politics is a significant step forward for transforming the politics of the country.”
               
              Saying that Delhi voters deserve all congratulations and gratitude for supporting new politics, Dr. JP said, “Now it is for voters elsewhere, particularly in troubled Andhra Pradesh, to rise as one and reject politics of money power and sectarianism and utilize the voting power to transform politics.”
               
              Dr. JP wished all the success to the AAP Government in fulfilling people’s aspirations.
               
               
               
              For Lok Satta Party



              --

              Regards,

              Surendra Srivastava
              Volunteer - Lok Satta Aandolan
              Tel: +91 22 2377 2279 Email: surendra@... , 
              URL: www.surendrasrivastava.com
              The Answer to "Bad Politics" is "Good Politics"  Not "No Politics"  - Dr. JP, Lok Satta Aandolan
              [Wikipedia] [Facebook] [Twitter] [Why Loksatta?][www.killcorruption.org][Video]
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              Dadoji Konddeo Rd, Bycula (East) Mumbai 400027

              Disclaimer: My mailing list is intended to create awareness, not spam. If you'd rather not receive these messages, do let me know.

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              --
              Prof Ujjwal K Chowdhury
              Senior Consultant with New Business Age-Abhiyan Group, Kathmandu.
              President, Advisory Board, Whistling Woods School of Communication, Mumbai 
              Former Director, Symbiosis Institute of Media & Communication & Dean, SIU, Pune.
              Former Media Adviser, Textiles Ministry, GOI; The Nippon Foundation; and WHO, India.


            • Mohammad Imran
              I agree with Professor Ujjwal asking Mr. Jain to allow AAP to assume power and then make a decision about their integrity. It is interesting that in the first
              Message 7 of 13 , Dec 31, 2013
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                I agree with Professor Ujjwal asking Mr. Jain to allow AAP to assume power and then make a decision about their integrity. It is interesting that in the first two days of their rule AAP has shown action, not talk in their two decisions to lower water rates for low consumers and subsidies for low electric users till more handle is obtained on the rate of electricity rates.


                On Dec 30, 2013, at 1:13 PM, Daniel Mazgaonkar wrote:

                 

                I totally agree with Prof. Ujjwalbhai.

                He has hit the right chord and raised very important issues. But Prof. do understand that there is a group which will always vilify any good effort. But that apart. I totally agree with all your points. I only hope sanity will previal.

                Daniel Mazgaonkar
                Sarvodaya Movement
                Mumbai.


                On 26 December 2013 18:16, Ujjwal K Chowdhury <ujjwalk.chowdhury@...> wrote:
                 

                Mr Pankaj, if the integrity of AAP members can be checked ONLY after they assume power etc as you say, then ALLOW them to do that. One can surely continue social change movements outside the purview of active politics. It is necessary, nothing wrong, rather very good for democracy. The nation is grateful to people like Anna Hazare, Aruna Roy, Medha Patkar.

                But the same democracy also calls for a slightly different view, that the nation can be changed only from within, through honest politics and efficient decision making. That is what AAP is doing. You may disagree. BUT IT DOES NOT become IMMORAL.

                Congress was the force of independence struggle. Individual Congress leaders could have made party/parties in different names. That was Gandhiji's thought when he said what he said. AAP is NOT Anna Movement. It is the political expression of the thoughts that led to the movement.

                Rather than trying to vilify an honest attempt in politics, you may kindly put your good energies in fighting corrupt and communal politics and social change. Welcome probity, integrity in politics if some bold courageous people are trying to that.

                Sorry to have butted in with my views, though I am now out of India. At the moment. We from all over the world is looking at AAP with great HOPE. Why don't you join us too?


                On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Pankaj Jain <pjain2002@...> wrote:
                 

                Gandhiji had advised Congress to not convert itself into a political party as pre-independence movement had wider participation of people with diverse political preferences. Use of the goodwill of independence movement by the then leadership to win election and political power was, to say the least, immoral use of independence struggle.

                Likewise, the use of anti-corruption movement by a small group of political hopefuls is immoral. After all, the anti-corruption movement was supported and led by many people who are political opponents of AAP.

                As far as the claims of integrity of AAP is concerned, it can be tested only after they have been in power for a long period. In the beginning of any political journey, all political parties start as clean-honest. the test of integrity comes when you enjoy power of patronage for long and still remain unsullied. Many political leaders have passed that test, certainly not the AAP leadership.

                When would we go by action, and not just talk?

                Pankaj
                  



                On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 12:08 PM, Surendra Srivastava <surendra.srivastava@...> wrote:
                 
                Media Release
                (Hyderabad, 23/12/2013)
                 
                AP voters should emulate their
                Delhi counterparts: Lok Satta Partry
                 
                Lok Satta Party national President Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan today whole-heartedly congratulated Mr. Arvind Kejriwal of the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) on accepting the Lt. Governor’s invitation to form the Government of the Union Territory of Delhi.
                 
                “AAP led by Mr. Arvind Kejriwal and a large band of young, committed volunteers has written a new chapter in the evolution of Indian democracy,” said Dr. JP in a media statement.
                 
                Underlining that creation of new ethical and rational politics for the next generation is the need of the hour Dr. JP recalled that the Lok Satta Party had been founded with that objective.
                 
                “AAP’s spectacular debut in electoral politics is a significant step forward for transforming the politics of the country.”
                 
                Saying that Delhi voters deserve all congratulations and gratitude for supporting new politics, Dr. JP said, “Now it is for voters elsewhere, particularly in troubled Andhra Pradesh, to rise as one and reject politics of money power and sectarianism and utilize the voting power to transform politics.”
                 
                Dr. JP wished all the success to the AAP Government in fulfilling people’s aspirations.
                 
                 
                 
                For Lok Satta Party



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              • Mohammad Imran
                In fact, the populist policies of AAP, to provide subsidized water or electricity, and expansion of corrupt PDS are sure harbinger of corruption in public
                Message 8 of 13 , Jan 2, 2014
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                  In fact, the populist policies of AAP, to provide subsidized water or electricity, and expansion of corrupt PDS are sure harbinger of corruption in public life. 

                  Dear Mr. Jain,

                  It is strange to read that subsidized water and electricity are harbingers of corruption in the future as well as expansion of Public Distribution System. Do you have proof of what will happen tomorrow what to say of six months later. You have written an angry and hostile letter accusing people (AAP) of dishonesty without any proof. You have my sympathies because your party, the BJP, is having fits, and you are feeling its pain.


                  On Dec 30, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Pankaj Jain wrote:

                   

                  Dear Mr. Ujjawal K Chowdhury, 

                  You say " Why don't you join us too?".

                  Isn't it a representation of arrogance and self-righteousness of truly high order to believe that to meet the goal of supporting honest politics, one should join you or AAP. 

                  Don't you think that a call by, say, Mr. Chouhan, CM of MP, Or Dr. Harsh Vardhan of Delhi, who seemingly have a proven record of integrity and honesty even after being in power and politics, for decades, to join BJP will be more justified. The record of many other political leaders, including of Mr. Mody and many left leaders, likewise, shows proven, not just self-declared, integrity even after being in politics and power for decades. Wouldn't a call by these be more credible invitation to join politics of integrity?  

                  As most of us know, and Mr. Kejriwal admitted only yesterday, most Government officers are honest, though some are not. Likewise, a large number of politicians are, in fact, honest, though cynics might say otherwise.  

                  You may also like to reflect on the fact that much derided political class in India has served the nation much better in doing its core tasks, of (i) providing representations to ALL sections of our population, and (ii) providing a reasonably good-sound legal framework, which is second to none in the world. In contrast, the bureaucracy, judiciary, media, or academia have far worse attainments in their respective domains of delivering efficient public services, timely justice, unbiased information, and new knowledge development-dissemination, nowhere world-class. 

                  Further, I hope you would agree that honesty is only one part of being effective political leader. Having sensible policy is as important. Ater all, nobody has accused Mao, Lenin, or our own Jyoti Basu to be corrupt, but each of them led their nation-people to ruinous results. Do you really think that the declared policy package, left of left,  of AAP can be a source of nation's growth? Even on corruption, and Lokpal bill, people of great proven integrity and honesty have differences of opinion from Mr. Kejriwal/ AAP, so taking him as the exemplar promoter of integrity is  dangerous for the fight to eliminate corruption. In fact, the populist policies of AAP, to provide subsidized water or electricity, and expansion of corrupt PDS are sure harbinger of corruption in public life. 

                  We should all hope for a better political order, but these hopes better be grounded in the 'record of actions/ performance', and not on 'yet empty promises/ words'.  

                  In spite of my reservation and caution, AAP  has a right to join politics and you have a right to support them, but please spare us your arrogant self-righteousness, that you alone know the true path. This view is more fundamentalist than the call to arms of Jihadi warriors, who claim to be following the word of their God. 

                  Pankaj  



                  On Monday, December 30, 2013 10:42 AM, Ujjwal K Chowdhury <ujjwalk.chowdhury@...> wrote:
                   
                  Mr Pankaj, if the integrity of AAP members can be checked ONLY after they assume power etc as you say, then ALLOW them to do that. One can surely continue social change movements outside the purview of active politics. It is necessary, nothing wrong, rather very good for democracy. The nation is grateful to people like Anna Hazare, Aruna Roy, Medha Patkar.

                  But the same democracy also calls for a slightly different view, that the nation can be changed only from within, through honest politics and efficient decision making. That is what AAP is doing. You may disagree. BUT IT DOES NOT become IMMORAL.

                  Congress was the force of independence struggle. Individual Congress leaders could have made party/parties in different names. That was Gandhiji's thought when he said what he said. AAP is NOT Anna Movement. It is the political expression of the thoughts that led to the movement.

                  Rather than trying to vilify an honest attempt in politics, you may kindly put your good energies in fighting corrupt and communal politics and social change. Welcome probity, integrity in politics if some bold courageous people are trying to that.

                  Sorry to have butted in with my views, though I am now out of India. At the moment. We from all over the world is looking at AAP with great HOPE. Why don't you join us too?


                  On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Pankaj Jain <pjain2002@...> wrote:
                   
                  Gandhiji had advised Congress to not convert itself into a political party as pre-independence movement had wider participation of people with diverse political preferences. Use of the goodwill of independence movement by the then leadership to win election and political power was, to say the least, immoral use of independence struggle.

                  Likewise, the use of anti-corruption movement by a small group of political hopefuls is immoral. After all, the anti-corruption movement was supported and led by many people who are political opponents of AAP.

                  As far as the claims of integrity of AAP is concerned, it can be tested only after they have been in power for a long period. In the beginning of any political journey, all political parties start as clean-honest. the test of integrity comes when you enjoy power of patronage for long and still remain unsullied. Many political leaders have passed that test, certainly not the AAP leadership.

                  When would we go by action, and not just talk?

                  Pankaj
                    



                  On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 12:08 PM, Surendra Srivastava <surendra.srivastava@...> wrote:
                   
                  Media Release
                  (Hyderabad, 23/12/2013)
                   
                  AP voters should emulate their
                  Delhi counterparts: Lok Satta Partry
                   
                  Lok Satta Party national President Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan today whole-heartedly congratulated Mr. Arvind Kejriwal of the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) on accepting the Lt. Governor’s invitation to form the Government of the Union Territory of Delhi.
                   
                  “AAP led by Mr. Arvind Kejriwal and a large band of young, committed volunteers has written a new chapter in the evolution of Indian democracy,” said Dr. JP in a media statement.
                   
                  Underlining that creation of new ethical and rational politics for the next generation is the need of the hour Dr. JP recalled that the Lok Satta Party had been founded with that objective.
                   
                  “AAP’s spectacular debut in electoral politics is a significant step forward for transforming the politics of the country.”
                   
                  Saying that Delhi voters deserve all congratulations and gratitude for supporting new politics, Dr. JP said, “Now it is for voters elsewhere, particularly in troubled Andhra Pradesh, to rise as one and reject politics of money power and sectarianism and utilize the voting power to transform politics.”
                   
                  Dr. JP wished all the success to the AAP Government in fulfilling people’s aspirations.
                   
                   
                   
                  For Lok Satta Party



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                  Volunteer - Lok Satta Aandolan
                  Tel: +91 22 2377 2279 Email: surendra@... , 
                  URL: www.surendrasrivastava.com
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                  President, Advisory Board, Whistling Woods School of Communication, Mumbai 
                  Former Director, Symbiosis Institute of Media & Communication & Dean, SIU, Pune.
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                • Mohammad Imran
                  Dear Mr. Jain, Please quote the source and other references for your comment that corruption is an economic argument , otherwise it is your personal opinion.
                  Message 9 of 13 , Jan 2, 2014
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                    Dear Mr. Jain,

                    Please quote the source and other references for your comment that "corruption is an economic argument", otherwise it is your personal opinion. 

                    " leading to chances of corruption" does not have an economic foundation. 
                    Chance is not an economic activity? 
                    Corruption is not an economic activity?

                    Economic activities are related to production, distribution, exchange and consumption of goods. Primary aim of economic activtiy is production of good and services with a view to make them available to consumer.


                    On Jan 2, 2014, at 8:40 PM, Pankaj Jain wrote:

                    Sir,

                    Subsidies, except direct transfers to beneficiaries, that provide different prices to different consumers lead to chances of corruption is an economic argument, and is applicable to every party, be it AAP, or Left or BJP.

                    Pankaj


                    On Thursday, January 2, 2014 7:48 PM, Mohammad Imran <dalibagh@...> wrote:
                    In fact, the populist policies of AAP, to provide subsidized water or electricity, and expansion of corrupt PDS are sure harbinger of corruption in public life. 

                    Dear Mr. Jain,

                    It is strange to read that subsidized water and electricity are harbingers of corruption in the future as well as expansion of Public Distribution System. Do you have proof of what will happen tomorrow what to say of six months later. You have written an angry and hostile letter accusing people (AAP) of dishonesty without any proof. You have my sympathies because your party, the BJP, is having fits, and you are feeling its pain.


                    On Dec 30, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Pankaj Jain wrote:

                     

                    Dear Mr. Ujjawal K Chowdhury, 

                    You say " Why don't you join us too?".

                    Isn't it a representation of arrogance and self-righteousness of truly high order to believe that to meet the goal of supporting honest politics, one should join you or AAP. 

                    Don't you think that a call by, say, Mr. Chouhan, CM of MP, Or Dr. Harsh Vardhan of Delhi, who seemingly have a proven record of integrity and honesty even after being in power and politics, for decades, to join BJP will be more justified. The record of many other political leaders, including of Mr. Mody and many left leaders, likewise, shows proven, not just self-declared, integrity even after being in politics and power for decades. Wouldn't a call by these be more credible invitation to join politics of integrity?  

                    As most of us know, and Mr. Kejriwal admitted only yesterday, most Government officers are honest, though some are not. Likewise, a large number of politicians are, in fact, honest, though cynics might say otherwise.  

                    You may also like to reflect on the fact that much derided political class in India has served the nation much better in doing its core tasks, of (i) providing representations to ALL sections of our population, and (ii) providing a reasonably good-sound legal framework, which is second to none in the world. In contrast, the bureaucracy, judiciary, media, or academia have far worse attainments in their respective domains of delivering efficient public services, timely justice, unbiased information, and new knowledge development-dissemination, nowhere world-class. 

                    Further, I hope you would agree that honesty is only one part of being effective political leader. Having sensible policy is as important. Ater all, nobody has accused Mao, Lenin, or our own Jyoti Basu to be corrupt, but each of them led their nation-people to ruinous results. Do you really think that the declared policy package, left of left,  of AAP can be a source of nation's growth? Even on corruption, and Lokpal bill, people of great proven integrity and honesty have differences of opinion from Mr. Kejriwal/ AAP, so taking him as the exemplar promoter of integrity is  dangerous for the fight to eliminate corruption. In fact, the populist policies of AAP, to provide subsidized water or electricity, and expansion of corrupt PDS are sure harbinger of corruption in public life. 

                    We should all hope for a better political order, but these hopes better be grounded in the 'record of actions/ performance', and not on 'yet empty promises/ words'.  

                    In spite of my reservation and caution, AAP  has a right to join politics and you have a right to support them, but please spare us your arrogant self-righteousness, that you alone know the true path. This view is more fundamentalist than the call to arms of Jihadi warriors, who claim to be following the word of their God. 

                    Pankaj  



                    On Monday, December 30, 2013 10:42 AM, Ujjwal K Chowdhury <ujjwalk.chowdhury@...> wrote:
                     
                    Mr Pankaj, if the integrity of AAP members can be checked ONLY after they assume power etc as you say, then ALLOW them to do that. One can surely continue social change movements outside the purview of active politics. It is necessary, nothing wrong, rather very good for democracy. The nation is grateful to people like Anna Hazare, Aruna Roy, Medha Patkar.

                    But the same democracy also calls for a slightly different view, that the nation can be changed only from within, through honest politics and efficient decision making. That is what AAP is doing. You may disagree. BUT IT DOES NOT become IMMORAL.

                    Congress was the force of independence struggle. Individual Congress leaders could have made party/parties in different names. That was Gandhiji's thought when he said what he said. AAP is NOT Anna Movement. It is the political expression of the thoughts that led to the movement.

                    Rather than trying to vilify an honest attempt in politics, you may kindly put your good energies in fighting corrupt and communal politics and social change. Welcome probity, integrity in politics if some bold courageous people are trying to that.

                    Sorry to have butted in with my views, though I am now out of India. At the moment. We from all over the world is looking at AAP with great HOPE. Why don't you join us too?


                    On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Pankaj Jain <pjain2002@...> wrote:
                     
                    Gandhiji had advised Congress to not convert itself into a political party as pre-independence movement had wider participation of people with diverse political preferences. Use of the goodwill of independence movement by the then leadership to win election and political power was, to say the least, immoral use of independence struggle.

                    Likewise, the use of anti-corruption movement by a small group of political hopefuls is immoral. After all, the anti-corruption movement was supported and led by many people who are political opponents of AAP.

                    As far as the claims of integrity of AAP is concerned, it can be tested only after they have been in power for a long period. In the beginning of any political journey, all political parties start as clean-honest. the test of integrity comes when you enjoy power of patronage for long and still remain unsullied. Many political leaders have passed that test, certainly not the AAP leadership.

                    When would we go by action, and not just talk?

                    Pankaj
                      



                    On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 12:08 PM, Surendra Srivastava <surendra.srivastava@...> wrote:
                     
                    Media Release
                    (Hyderabad, 23/12/2013)
                     
                    AP voters should emulate their
                    Delhi counterparts: Lok Satta Partry
                     
                    Lok Satta Party national President Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan today whole-heartedly congratulated Mr. Arvind Kejriwal of the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) on accepting the Lt. Governor’s invitation to form the Government of the Union Territory of Delhi.
                     
                    “AAP led by Mr. Arvind Kejriwal and a large band of young, committed volunteers has written a new chapter in the evolution of Indian democracy,” said Dr. JP in a media statement.
                     
                    Underlining that creation of new ethical and rational politics for the next generation is the need of the hour Dr. JP recalled that the Lok Satta Party had been founded with that objective.
                     
                    “AAP’s spectacular debut in electoral politics is a significant step forward for transforming the politics of the country.”
                     
                    Saying that Delhi voters deserve all congratulations and gratitude for supporting new politics, Dr. JP said, “Now it is for voters elsewhere, particularly in troubled Andhra Pradesh, to rise as one and reject politics of money power and sectarianism and utilize the voting power to transform politics.”
                     
                    Dr. JP wished all the success to the AAP Government in fulfilling people’s aspirations.
                     
                     
                     
                    For Lok Satta Party



                    --

                    Regards,

                    Surendra Srivastava
                    Volunteer - Lok Satta Aandolan
                    Tel: +91 22 2377 2279 Email: surendra@... , 
                    URL: www.surendrasrivastava.com
                    The Answer to "Bad Politics" is "Good Politics"  Not "No Politics"  - Dr. JP, Lok Satta Aandolan
                    [Wikipedia] [Facebook] [Twitter] [Why Loksatta?][www.killcorruption.org][Video]
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                    President, Advisory Board, Whistling Woods School of Communication, Mumbai 
                    Former Director, Symbiosis Institute of Media & Communication & Dean, SIU, Pune.
                    Former Media Adviser, Textiles Ministry, GOI; The Nippon Foundation; and WHO, India.







                  • Pankaj Jain
                    Dear Danial Bhai, We all should, and most do, welcome new and promising entrants to public life and to this extent, AAP s entry is welcome. The important thing
                    Message 10 of 13 , Jan 2, 2014
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                      Dear Danial Bhai,

                      We all should, and most do, welcome new and promising entrants to public life and to this extent, AAP's entry is welcome.

                      The important thing is that we use the same yard stick to judge alternate political parties, and do not pre-judge.

                      Lok Satta started with very similar profile, headed by an upright IAS officer, who resigned at the prime of his career at an early age to promote the politics of integrity. Unfortunately, Lok Satta  could not make much head-way in terms of electoral success.

                      In 1970s, Left front Govt. came to power in WB with even better credential than AAP, but they contributed to the decline of India's premier industrial and developed State to a sorry state. Kolkata was India's premier city, with Metro operating there in 70s. No body would like Delhi to be degraded to the stratus of Kolkata of today.  Laluji too came as a part of JP movement, no less revolutionary than Anna'a anti-corruption plank, but look what he did to Bihar. DMK started as revolutionary social movement but has been reduced to a family firm. The same is the story of Congress too, incidentally.

                      Integrity is important, but almost all new political entrants start with a clean slate and promises, so we should wait for the actions to replace words, and use the same criterion to judge various alternatives.

                      Wishing good luck to AAP as the beneficiary of their success, if that happens, will be all of us.

                      Pankaj



                      On Thursday, January 2, 2014 10:28 PM, Mohammad Imran <dalibagh@...> wrote:
                      Dear Mr. Jain,

                      Please quote the source and other references for your comment that "corruption is an economic argument", otherwise it is your personal opinion. 

                      " leading to chances of corruption" does not have an economic foundation. 
                      Chance is not an economic activity? 
                      Corruption is not an economic activity?

                      Economic activities are related to production, distribution, exchange and consumption of goods. Primary aim of economic activtiy is production of good and services with a view to make them available to consumer.


                      On Jan 2, 2014, at 8:40 PM, Pankaj Jain wrote:

                      Sir,

                      Subsidies, except direct transfers to beneficiaries, that provide different prices to different consumers lead to chances of corruption is an economic argument, and is applicable to every party, be it AAP, or Left or BJP.

                      Pankaj


                      On Thursday, January 2, 2014 7:48 PM, Mohammad Imran <dalibagh@...> wrote:
                      In fact, the populist policies of AAP, to provide subsidized water or electricity, and expansion of corrupt PDS are sure harbinger of corruption in public life. 

                      Dear Mr. Jain,

                      It is strange to read that subsidized water and electricity are harbingers of corruption in the future as well as expansion of Public Distribution System. Do you have proof of what will happen tomorrow what to say of six months later. You have written an angry and hostile letter accusing people (AAP) of dishonesty without any proof. You have my sympathies because your party, the BJP, is having fits, and you are feeling its pain.


                      On Dec 30, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Pankaj Jain wrote:

                       

                      Dear Mr. Ujjawal K Chowdhury, 

                      You say " Why don't you join us too?".

                      Isn't it a representation of arrogance and self-righteousness of truly high order to believe that to meet the goal of supporting honest politics, one should join you or AAP. 

                      Don't you think that a call by, say, Mr. Chouhan, CM of MP, Or Dr. Harsh Vardhan of Delhi, who seemingly have a proven record of integrity and honesty even after being in power and politics, for decades, to join BJP will be more justified. The record of many other political leaders, including of Mr. Mody and many left leaders, likewise, shows proven, not just self-declared, integrity even after being in politics and power for decades. Wouldn't a call by these be more credible invitation to join politics of integrity?  

                      As most of us know, and Mr. Kejriwal admitted only yesterday, most Government officers are honest, though some are not. Likewise, a large number of politicians are, in fact, honest, though cynics might say otherwise.  

                      You may also like to reflect on the fact that much derided political class in India has served the nation much better in doing its core tasks, of (i) providing representations to ALL sections of our population, and (ii) providing a reasonably good-sound legal framework, which is second to none in the world. In contrast, the bureaucracy, judiciary, media, or academia have far worse attainments in their respective domains of delivering efficient public services, timely justice, unbiased information, and new knowledge development-dissemination, nowhere world-class. 

                      Further, I hope you would agree that honesty is only one part of being effective political leader. Having sensible policy is as important. Ater all, nobody has accused Mao, Lenin, or our own Jyoti Basu to be corrupt, but each of them led their nation-people to ruinous results. Do you really think that the declared policy package, left of left,  of AAP can be a source of nation's growth? Even on corruption, and Lokpal bill, people of great proven integrity and honesty have differences of opinion from Mr. Kejriwal/ AAP, so taking him as the exemplar promoter of integrity is  dangerous for the fight to eliminate corruption. In fact, the populist policies of AAP, to provide subsidized water or electricity, and expansion of corrupt PDS are sure harbinger of corruption in public life. 

                      We should all hope for a better political order, but these hopes better be grounded in the 'record of actions/ performance', and not on 'yet empty promises/ words'.  

                      In spite of my reservation and caution, AAP  has a right to join politics and you have a right to support them, but please spare us your arrogant self-righteousness, that you alone know the true path. This view is more fundamentalist than the call to arms of Jihadi warriors, who claim to be following the word of their God. 

                      Pankaj  



                      On Monday, December 30, 2013 10:42 AM, Ujjwal K Chowdhury <ujjwalk.chowdhury@...> wrote:
                       
                      Mr Pankaj, if the integrity of AAP members can be checked ONLY after they assume power etc as you say, then ALLOW them to do that. One can surely continue social change movements outside the purview of active politics. It is necessary, nothing wrong, rather very good for democracy. The nation is grateful to people like Anna Hazare, Aruna Roy, Medha Patkar.

                      But the same democracy also calls for a slightly different view, that the nation can be changed only from within, through honest politics and efficient decision making. That is what AAP is doing. You may disagree. BUT IT DOES NOT become IMMORAL.

                      Congress was the force of independence struggle. Individual Congress leaders could have made party/parties in different names. That was Gandhiji's thought when he said what he said. AAP is NOT Anna Movement. It is the political expression of the thoughts that led to the movement.

                      Rather than trying to vilify an honest attempt in politics, you may kindly put your good energies in fighting corrupt and communal politics and social change. Welcome probity, integrity in politics if some bold courageous people are trying to that.

                      Sorry to have butted in with my views, though I am now out of India. At the moment. We from all over the world is looking at AAP with great HOPE. Why don't you join us too?


                      On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Pankaj Jain <pjain2002@...> wrote:
                       
                      Gandhiji had advised Congress to not convert itself into a political party as pre-independence movement had wider participation of people with diverse political preferences. Use of the goodwill of independence movement by the then leadership to win election and political power was, to say the least, immoral use of independence struggle.

                      Likewise, the use of anti-corruption movement by a small group of political hopefuls is immoral. After all, the anti-corruption movement was supported and led by many people who are political opponents of AAP.

                      As far as the claims of integrity of AAP is concerned, it can be tested only after they have been in power for a long period. In the beginning of any political journey, all political parties start as clean-honest. the test of integrity comes when you enjoy power of patronage for long and still remain unsullied. Many political leaders have passed that test, certainly not the AAP leadership.

                      When would we go by action, and not just talk?

                      Pankaj
                        



                      On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 12:08 PM, Surendra Srivastava <surendra.srivastava@...> wrote:
                       
                      Media Release
                      (Hyderabad, 23/12/2013)
                       
                      AP voters should emulate their
                      Delhi counterparts: Lok Satta Partry
                       
                      Lok Satta Party national President Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan today whole-heartedly congratulated Mr. Arvind Kejriwal of the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) on accepting the Lt. Governor’s invitation to form the Government of the Union Territory of Delhi.
                       
                      “AAP led by Mr. Arvind Kejriwal and a large band of young, committed volunteers has written a new chapter in the evolution of Indian democracy,” said Dr. JP in a media statement.
                       
                      Underlining that creation of new ethical and rational politics for the next generation is the need of the hour Dr. JP recalled that the Lok Satta Party had been founded with that objective.
                       
                      “AAP’s spectacular debut in electoral politics is a significant step forward for transforming the politics of the country.”
                       
                      Saying that Delhi voters deserve all congratulations and gratitude for supporting new politics, Dr. JP said, “Now it is for voters elsewhere, particularly in troubled Andhra Pradesh, to rise as one and reject politics of money power and sectarianism and utilize the voting power to transform politics.”
                       
                      Dr. JP wished all the success to the AAP Government in fulfilling people’s aspirations.
                       
                       
                       
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                    • Pankaj Jain
                      Dear Imran bhai, We might have our different respective political sympathies, but that should not come in the way of rational/ logical discussion, because only
                      Message 11 of 13 , Jan 6, 2014
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                        Dear Imran bhai,

                        We might have our different respective political sympathies, but that should not come in the way of rational/ logical discussion, because only on the basis of such a discussion, it is possible for us to examine our position.

                        I have not so far blamed anybody, including AAP, for corruption or ineptitude, but has only commented upon the likely outcome of policies, on the basis of facts or historical-economic analysis. Regarding subsidies opening up avenues of corruption, it is a well documented and argued position, with which most analysts agree. It has little to do with the party in governance. Only a few Govts., particularly Chattisgarh and TN have made success of PDS, but in most other places, it is a failure. The case of corruption in PDS is widely documented. There is no reason that the logic of the effect of subsidy on water ought to be different from subsidy on grains. 

                        Best wishes.

                        Pankaj




                        On Thursday, January 2, 2014 7:48 PM, Mohammad Imran <dalibagh@...> wrote:
                         
                        In fact, the populist policies of AAP, to provide subsidized water or electricity, and expansion of corrupt PDS are sure harbinger of corruption in public life. 

                        Dear Mr. Jain,

                        It is strange to read that subsidized water and electricity are harbingers of corruption in the future as well as expansion of Public Distribution System. Do you have proof of what will happen tomorrow what to say of six months later. You have written an angry and hostile letter accusing people (AAP) of dishonesty without any proof. You have my sympathies because your party, the BJP, is having fits, and you are feeling its pain.


                        On Dec 30, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Pankaj Jain wrote:

                         

                        Dear Mr. Ujjawal K Chowdhury, 

                        You say " Why don't you join us too?".

                        Isn't it a representation of arrogance and self-righteousness of truly high order to believe that to meet the goal of supporting honest politics, one should join you or AAP. 

                        Don't you think that a call by, say, Mr. Chouhan, CM of MP, Or Dr. Harsh Vardhan of Delhi, who seemingly have a proven record of integrity and honesty even after being in power and politics, for decades, to join BJP will be more justified. The record of many other political leaders, including of Mr. Mody and many left leaders, likewise, shows proven, not just self-declared, integrity even after being in politics and power for decades. Wouldn't a call by these be more credible invitation to join politics of integrity?  

                        As most of us know, and Mr. Kejriwal admitted only yesterday, most Government officers are honest, though some are not. Likewise, a large number of politicians are, in fact, honest, though cynics might say otherwise.  

                        You may also like to reflect on the fact that much derided political class in India has served the nation much better in doing its core tasks, of (i) providing representations to ALL sections of our population, and (ii) providing a reasonably good-sound legal framework, which is second to none in the world. In contrast, the bureaucracy, judiciary, media, or academia have far worse attainments in their respective domains of delivering efficient public services, timely justice, unbiased information, and new knowledge development-dissemination, nowhere world-class. 

                        Further, I hope you would agree that honesty is only one part of being effective political leader. Having sensible policy is as important. Ater all, nobody has accused Mao, Lenin, or our own Jyoti Basu to be corrupt, but each of them led their nation-people to ruinous results. Do you really think that the declared policy package, left of left,  of AAP can be a source of nation's growth? Even on corruption, and Lokpal bill, people of great proven integrity and honesty have differences of opinion from Mr. Kejriwal/ AAP, so taking him as the exemplar promoter of integrity is  dangerous for the fight to eliminate corruption. In fact, the populist policies of AAP, to provide subsidized water or electricity, and expansion of corrupt PDS are sure harbinger of corruption in public life. 

                        We should all hope for a better political order, but these hopes better be grounded in the 'record of actions/ performance', and not on 'yet empty promises/ words'.  

                        In spite of my reservation and caution, AAP  has a right to join politics and you have a right to support them, but please spare us your arrogant self-righteousness, that you alone know the true path. This view is more fundamentalist than the call to arms of Jihadi warriors, who claim to be following the word of their God. 

                        Pankaj  



                        On Monday, December 30, 2013 10:42 AM, Ujjwal K Chowdhury <ujjwalk.chowdhury@...> wrote:
                         
                        Mr Pankaj, if the integrity of AAP members can be checked ONLY after they assume power etc as you say, then ALLOW them to do that. One can surely continue social change movements outside the purview of active politics. It is necessary, nothing wrong, rather very good for democracy. The nation is grateful to people like Anna Hazare, Aruna Roy, Medha Patkar.

                        But the same democracy also calls for a slightly different view, that the nation can be changed only from within, through honest politics and efficient decision making. That is what AAP is doing. You may disagree. BUT IT DOES NOT become IMMORAL.

                        Congress was the force of independence struggle. Individual Congress leaders could have made party/parties in different names. That was Gandhiji's thought when he said what he said. AAP is NOT Anna Movement. It is the political expression of the thoughts that led to the movement.

                        Rather than trying to vilify an honest attempt in politics, you may kindly put your good energies in fighting corrupt and communal politics and social change. Welcome probity, integrity in politics if some bold courageous people are trying to that.

                        Sorry to have butted in with my views, though I am now out of India. At the moment. We from all over the world is looking at AAP with great HOPE. Why don't you join us too?


                        On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Pankaj Jain <pjain2002@...> wrote:
                         
                        Gandhiji had advised Congress to not convert itself into a political party as pre-independence movement had wider participation of people with diverse political preferences. Use of the goodwill of independence movement by the then leadership to win election and political power was, to say the least, immoral use of independence struggle.

                        Likewise, the use of anti-corruption movement by a small group of political hopefuls is immoral. After all, the anti-corruption movement was supported and led by many people who are political opponents of AAP.

                        As far as the claims of integrity of AAP is concerned, it can be tested only after they have been in power for a long period. In the beginning of any political journey, all political parties start as clean-honest. the test of integrity comes when you enjoy power of patronage for long and still remain unsullied. Many political leaders have passed that test, certainly not the AAP leadership.

                        When would we go by action, and not just talk?

                        Pankaj
                          



                        On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 12:08 PM, Surendra Srivastava <surendra.srivastava@...> wrote:
                         
                        Media Release
                        (Hyderabad, 23/12/2013)
                         
                        AP voters should emulate their
                        Delhi counterparts: Lok Satta Partry
                         
                        Lok Satta Party national President Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan today whole-heartedly congratulated Mr. Arvind Kejriwal of the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) on accepting the Lt. Governor’s invitation to form the Government of the Union Territory of Delhi.
                         
                        “AAP led by Mr. Arvind Kejriwal and a large band of young, committed volunteers has written a new chapter in the evolution of Indian democracy,” said Dr. JP in a media statement.
                         
                        Underlining that creation of new ethical and rational politics for the next generation is the need of the hour Dr. JP recalled that the Lok Satta Party had been founded with that objective.
                         
                        “AAP’s spectacular debut in electoral politics is a significant step forward for transforming the politics of the country.”
                         
                        Saying that Delhi voters deserve all congratulations and gratitude for supporting new politics, Dr. JP said, “Now it is for voters elsewhere, particularly in troubled Andhra Pradesh, to rise as one and reject politics of money power and sectarianism and utilize the voting power to transform politics.”
                         
                        Dr. JP wished all the success to the AAP Government in fulfilling people’s aspirations.
                         
                         
                         
                        For Lok Satta Party



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                        Tel: +91 22 2377 2279 Email: surendra@... , 
                        URL: www.surendrasrivastava.com
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                      • Mohammad Imran
                        Dear Pankaj, You have made generalizations of what you consider prior facts. In your opinion all PDS systems are corrupt. That may be right from your point of
                        Message 12 of 13 , Jan 15, 2014
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                          Dear Pankaj,

                          You have made generalizations of what you consider prior facts. In your opinion all PDS systems are corrupt. That may be right from your point of view. However PDSs are multilevel organizations. There is collection of food, storage, supply and then distribution. Your generalization has lumped all activities into one. Do you mean that grain sellers are widely cheated at the collection point, or food is stolen from warehouses, or it is stolen in supply mode or it is stolen at the distribution point. A good government can reduce wastage and corruption at all of these stages. The reason distributors can steal ration from the poor is because they know complaints from the card holders will not be taken seriously by the police or the government. If the government has accurate information about grain purchase and supply and distribution on its computers it can verify which distributor received what amount of grain and how many ration card holders were supplied their ration card grain. It can then take action against the distributors against who complaints are registered.

                          It is the inefficiency of the police and the government which is causing corruption to flourish, just as we know that India has laws for all sorts of crimes on our books but they are not implemented.

                          It is possible you may be right. Time will tell. All human beings are prone to commit mistakes.

                          There was a recent news that Kejriwal's education minister has installed telephone lines to help parents facing difficulties in admitting their children in nursery schools and a web site to help them with nursery school system. These simple steps could be taken by Sheila Dikshit 12 years ago. I leave it for you to answer why these simple ideas were not implemented  by her. 


                          Imran


                          On Jan 7, 2014, at 9:49 AM, Pankaj Jain wrote:

                           

                          Dear Imran bhai,

                          We might have our different respective political sympathies, but that should not come in the way of rational/ logical discussion, because only on the basis of such a discussion, it is possible for us to examine our position.

                          I have not so far blamed anybody, including AAP, for corruption or ineptitude, but has only commented upon the likely outcome of policies, on the basis of facts or historical-economic analysis. Regarding subsidies opening up avenues of corruption, it is a well documented and argued position, with which most analysts agree. It has little to do with the party in governance. Only a few Govts., particularly Chattisgarh and TN have made success of PDS, but in most other places, it is a failure. The case of corruption in PDS is widely documented. There is no reason that the logic of the effect of subsidy on water ought to be different from subsidy on grains. 

                          Best wishes.

                          Pankaj




                          On Thursday, January 2, 2014 7:48 PM, Mohammad Imran <dalibagh@...> wrote:
                           
                          In fact, the populist policies of AAP, to provide subsidized water or electricity, and expansion of corrupt PDS are sure harbinger of corruption in public life. 

                          Dear Mr. Jain,

                          It is strange to read that subsidized water and electricity are harbingers of corruption in the future as well as expansion of Public Distribution System. Do you have proof of what will happen tomorrow what to say of six months later. You have written an angry and hostile letter accusing people (AAP) of dishonesty without any proof. You have my sympathies because your party, the BJP, is having fits, and you are feeling its pain.


                          On Dec 30, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Pankaj Jain wrote:

                           

                          Dear Mr. Ujjawal K Chowdhury, 

                          You say " Why don't you join us too?".

                          Isn't it a representation of arrogance and self-righteousness of truly high order to believe that to meet the goal of supporting honest politics, one should join you or AAP. 

                          Don't you think that a call by, say, Mr. Chouhan, CM of MP, Or Dr. Harsh Vardhan of Delhi, who seemingly have a proven record of integrity and honesty even after being in power and politics, for decades, to join BJP will be more justified. The record of many other political leaders, including of Mr. Mody and many left leaders, likewise, shows proven, not just self-declared, integrity even after being in politics and power for decades. Wouldn't a call by these be more credible invitation to join politics of integrity?  

                          As most of us know, and Mr. Kejriwal admitted only yesterday, most Government officers are honest, though some are not. Likewise, a large number of politicians are, in fact, honest, though cynics might say otherwise.  

                          You may also like to reflect on the fact that much derided political class in India has served the nation much better in doing its core tasks, of (i) providing representations to ALL sections of our population, and (ii) providing a reasonably good-sound legal framework, which is second to none in the world. In contrast, the bureaucracy, judiciary, media, or academia have far worse attainments in their respective domains of delivering efficient public services, timely justice, unbiased information, and new knowledge development-dissemination, nowhere world-class. 

                          Further, I hope you would agree that honesty is only one part of being effective political leader. Having sensible policy is as important. Ater all, nobody has accused Mao, Lenin, or our own Jyoti Basu to be corrupt, but each of them led their nation-people to ruinous results. Do you really think that the declared policy package, left of left,  of AAP can be a source of nation's growth? Even on corruption, and Lokpal bill, people of great proven integrity and honesty have differences of opinion from Mr. Kejriwal/ AAP, so taking him as the exemplar promoter of integrity is  dangerous for the fight to eliminate corruption. In fact, the populist policies of AAP, to provide subsidized water or electricity, and expansion of corrupt PDS are sure harbinger of corruption in public life. 

                          We should all hope for a better political order, but these hopes better be grounded in the 'record of actions/ performance', and not on 'yet empty promises/ words'.  

                          In spite of my reservation and caution, AAP  has a right to join politics and you have a right to support them, but please spare us your arrogant self-righteousness, that you alone know the true path. This view is more fundamentalist than the call to arms of Jihadi warriors, who claim to be following the word of their God. 

                          Pankaj  



                          On Monday, December 30, 2013 10:42 AM, Ujjwal K Chowdhury <ujjwalk.chowdhury@...> wrote:
                           
                          Mr Pankaj, if the integrity of AAP members can be checked ONLY after they assume power etc as you say, then ALLOW them to do that. One can surely continue social change movements outside the purview of active politics. It is necessary, nothing wrong, rather very good for democracy. The nation is grateful to people like Anna Hazare, Aruna Roy, Medha Patkar.

                          But the same democracy also calls for a slightly different view, that the nation can be changed only from within, through honest politics and efficient decision making. That is what AAP is doing. You may disagree. BUT IT DOES NOT become IMMORAL.

                          Congress was the force of independence struggle. Individual Congress leaders could have made party/parties in different names. That was Gandhiji's thought when he said what he said. AAP is NOT Anna Movement. It is the political expression of the thoughts that led to the movement.

                          Rather than trying to vilify an honest attempt in politics, you may kindly put your good energies in fighting corrupt and communal politics and social change. Welcome probity, integrity in politics if some bold courageous people are trying to that.

                          Sorry to have butted in with my views, though I am now out of India. At the moment. We from all over the world is looking at AAP with great HOPE. Why don't you join us too?


                          On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Pankaj Jain <pjain2002@...> wrote:
                           
                          Gandhiji had advised Congress to not convert itself into a political party as pre-independence movement had wider participation of people with diverse political preferences. Use of the goodwill of independence movement by the then leadership to win election and political power was, to say the least, immoral use of independence struggle.

                          Likewise, the use of anti-corruption movement by a small group of political hopefuls is immoral. After all, the anti-corruption movement was supported and led by many people who are political opponents of AAP.

                          As far as the claims of integrity of AAP is concerned, it can be tested only after they have been in power for a long period. In the beginning of any political journey, all political parties start as clean-honest. the test of integrity comes when you enjoy power of patronage for long and still remain unsullied. Many political leaders have passed that test, certainly not the AAP leadership.

                          When would we go by action, and not just talk?

                          Pankaj
                            



                          On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 12:08 PM, Surendra Srivastava <surendra.srivastava@...> wrote:
                           
                          Media Release
                          (Hyderabad, 23/12/2013)
                           
                          AP voters should emulate their
                          Delhi counterparts: Lok Satta Partry
                           
                          Lok Satta Party national President Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan today whole-heartedly congratulated Mr. Arvind Kejriwal of the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) on accepting the Lt. Governor’s invitation to form the Government of the Union Territory of Delhi.
                           
                          “AAP led by Mr. Arvind Kejriwal and a large band of young, committed volunteers has written a new chapter in the evolution of Indian democracy,” said Dr. JP in a media statement.
                           
                          Underlining that creation of new ethical and rational politics for the next generation is the need of the hour Dr. JP recalled that the Lok Satta Party had been founded with that objective.
                           
                          “AAP’s spectacular debut in electoral politics is a significant step forward for transforming the politics of the country.”
                           
                          Saying that Delhi voters deserve all congratulations and gratitude for supporting new politics, Dr. JP said, “Now it is for voters elsewhere, particularly in troubled Andhra Pradesh, to rise as one and reject politics of money power and sectarianism and utilize the voting power to transform politics.”
                           
                          Dr. JP wished all the success to the AAP Government in fulfilling people’s aspirations.
                           
                           
                           
                          For Lok Satta Party



                          --

                          Regards,

                          Surendra Srivastava
                          Volunteer - Lok Satta Aandolan
                          Tel: +91 22 2377 2279 Email: surendra@... , 
                          URL: www.surendrasrivastava.com
                          The Answer to "Bad Politics" is "Good Politics"  Not "No Politics"  - Dr. JP, Lok Satta Aandolan
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                          President, Advisory Board, Whistling Woods School of Communication, Mumbai 
                          Former Director, Symbiosis Institute of Media & Communication & Dean, SIU, Pune.
                          Former Media Adviser, Textiles Ministry, GOI; The Nippon Foundation; and WHO, India.








                        • Sukla Sen
                          The simple point is that if Chhattisgarh and Tamil Nadu can make the PDS virtually leakage free, there is no reason why other state governments cannot do it
                          Message 13 of 13 , Jan 21, 2014
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                            The simple point is that if Chhattisgarh and Tamil Nadu can make the PDS virtually "leakage" free, there is no reason why other state governments cannot do it if there is political will on their parts.

                            Sukla


                            Bill will push PDS reform
                            Sep 15, 2013 | From the print edition

                            Development economist JEAN DREZE, known for his work on issues such as hunger, famine, social and human development in India, child health and education is not particularly happy with the way the National Food Security Bill has turned out. Although the proposed law has changed dramatically from the time Dreze pushed it during his days at the National Advisory Council, he is campaigning actively for its passage. Currently, visiting professor at Allahabad University, Dreze tells Down To Earth why it is important. Excerpts:

                            On the whole, are you happy with the Bill?
                            The bill is a fraction of what is required to eliminate hunger and undernutrition in India. You can denounce it as such, or applaud it as a step forward. My concern is not to denounce or applaud the bill, but to make the best of this opportunity.

                            How does it compare with the Chhattisgarh’s Food Security Act?
                            The Chhattisgarh Act goes much further, both in terms of coverage and in terms of entitlements. However, it is financed to a substantial extent by the Central government since it makes use of subsidised foodgrain provided by the Centre. It is not very difficult to add something to what the Central government provides and claim that you are going further. Having said this, there is much to learn from what Chhattisgarh has done to reform and expand the public distribution system (PDS).

                            How do you rate its PDS?
                            It is important to remember that Chhattisgarh’s food security programmes may not be working well at all in the southern region, where the ‘warfare state’ has displaced the welfare state. Nevertheless, Chhattisgarh’s achievements are impressive in so far as they happened in a state that used to be part of the BIMARU region (acronym for the backward belt of Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan and Uttar Pradesh) and where PDS was severely dysfunctional just a few years ago.

                            According to the targeted PDS list sent to states on July 26 by the Planning Commission, many states get less than the national average of 67 per cent with the urban and rural coverage varying widely. Are you all right with this?
                            I am in favour of a principle of fairness whereby the coverage of the PDS is higher in the poorer states. But, of course, I would not want any state to lose from the bill. As I understand it, the Central government proposes to continue existing allocations for any state that stands to lose otherwise. This provision, however, should be an explicit part of the bill, not just an informal understanding.

                            The list does not tally with the recent poverty estimates released by the Planning Commission.
                            It is a good thing that foodgrain allocations under the bill are delinked from official poverty estimates based on the Tendulkar poverty line. The Planning Commission’s figures for state-wise PDS coverage under the bill are effectively based, roughly speaking, on doubling the poverty line. If you see it that way, there is no inconsistency between poverty estimates and foodgrain allocations. Whether the two need to match at all is a different matter.

                            Is it fair that states like Tamil Nadu should foot the bill for additional coverage? It claims it needs to mobilise an additional Rs.3,000 crore to maintain its current PDS.
                            If the existing allocations are maintained for states like Tamil Nadu, as the Central government seems to be proposing, then the state will save huge amounts of money after the bill comes into effect. This is because it will pay much lower prices for foodgrain to the Centre. This money, along with resources that Tamil Nadu is already putting into food subsidies, can be used to ensure the continuation of the state’s exemplary PDS. It would be easier, of course, to exempt Tamil Nadu from the bill, as some Members of Parliament have proposed. I would not be opposed to that since Tamil Nadu is doing quite well on its own. Also, as I said, the proposed continuation of existing allocations for states that would lose otherwise should be an explicit part of the bill.

                            Why and how do you expect PDS to improve in other states because of the bill? All the recent experiences show that wide coverage, low issue prices and clear entitlements are of great help in ensuring the effectiveness of PDS. The main reason is that these features create a strong public demand for a wellfunctioning PDS. Along with that, of course, other PDS reforms are also required, such as de-privatisation of ration shops, doorstep delivery and computerisation of records. Many states are already working on that, and the bill is likely to consolidate this momentum. The biggest challenge is to confront vested interests, particularly in states like Bihar and Uttar Pradesh where PDS is under the control of corrupt middlemen and their political masters.



                            On 15 January 2014 16:31, Mohammad Imran <dalibagh@...> wrote:
                             

                            Dear Pankaj,


                            You have made generalizations of what you consider prior facts. In your opinion all PDS systems are corrupt. That may be right from your point of view. However PDSs are multilevel organizations. There is collection of food, storage, supply and then distribution. Your generalization has lumped all activities into one. Do you mean that grain sellers are widely cheated at the collection point, or food is stolen from warehouses, or it is stolen in supply mode or it is stolen at the distribution point. A good government can reduce wastage and corruption at all of these stages. The reason distributors can steal ration from the poor is because they know complaints from the card holders will not be taken seriously by the police or the government. If the government has accurate information about grain purchase and supply and distribution on its computers it can verify which distributor received what amount of grain and how many ration card holders were supplied their ration card grain. It can then take action against the distributors against who complaints are registered.

                            It is the inefficiency of the police and the government which is causing corruption to flourish, just as we know that India has laws for all sorts of crimes on our books but they are not implemented.

                            It is possible you may be right. Time will tell. All human beings are prone to commit mistakes.

                            There was a recent news that Kejriwal's education minister has installed telephone lines to help parents facing difficulties in admitting their children in nursery schools and a web site to help them with nursery school system. These simple steps could be taken by Sheila Dikshit 12 years ago. I leave it for you to answer why these simple ideas were not implemented  by her. 


                            Imran


                            On Jan 7, 2014, at 9:49 AM, Pankaj Jain wrote:

                             

                            Dear Imran bhai,

                            We might have our different respective political sympathies, but that should not come in the way of rational/ logical discussion, because only on the basis of such a discussion, it is possible for us to examine our position.

                            I have not so far blamed anybody, including AAP, for corruption or ineptitude, but has only commented upon the likely outcome of policies, on the basis of facts or historical-economic analysis. Regarding subsidies opening up avenues of corruption, it is a well documented and argued position, with which most analysts agree. It has little to do with the party in governance. Only a few Govts., particularly Chattisgarh and TN have made success of PDS, but in most other places, it is a failure. The case of corruption in PDS is widely documented. There is no reason that the logic of the effect of subsidy on water ought to be different from subsidy on grains. 

                            Best wishes.

                            Pankaj




                            On Thursday, January 2, 2014 7:48 PM, Mohammad Imran <dalibagh@...> wrote:
                             
                            In fact, the populist policies of AAP, to provide subsidized water or electricity, and expansion of corrupt PDS are sure harbinger of corruption in public life. 

                            Dear Mr. Jain,

                            It is strange to read that subsidized water and electricity are harbingers of corruption in the future as well as expansion of Public Distribution System. Do you have proof of what will happen tomorrow what to say of six months later. You have written an angry and hostile letter accusing people (AAP) of dishonesty without any proof. You have my sympathies because your party, the BJP, is having fits, and you are feeling its pain.


                            On Dec 30, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Pankaj Jain wrote:

                             

                            Dear Mr. Ujjawal K Chowdhury, 

                            You say " Why don't you join us too?".

                            Isn't it a representation of arrogance and self-righteousness of truly high order to believe that to meet the goal of supporting honest politics, one should join you or AAP. 

                            Don't you think that a call by, say, Mr. Chouhan, CM of MP, Or Dr. Harsh Vardhan of Delhi, who seemingly have a proven record of integrity and honesty even after being in power and politics, for decades, to join BJP will be more justified. The record of many other political leaders, including of Mr. Mody and many left leaders, likewise, shows proven, not just self-declared, integrity even after being in politics and power for decades. Wouldn't a call by these be more credible invitation to join politics of integrity?  

                            As most of us know, and Mr. Kejriwal admitted only yesterday, most Government officers are honest, though some are not. Likewise, a large number of politicians are, in fact, honest, though cynics might say otherwise.  

                            You may also like to reflect on the fact that much derided political class in India has served the nation much better in doing its core tasks, of (i) providing representations to ALL sections of our population, and (ii) providing a reasonably good-sound legal framework, which is second to none in the world. In contrast, the bureaucracy, judiciary, media, or academia have far worse attainments in their respective domains of delivering efficient public services, timely justice, unbiased information, and new knowledge development-dissemination, nowhere world-class. 

                            Further, I hope you would agree that honesty is only one part of being effective political leader. Having sensible policy is as important. Ater all, nobody has accused Mao, Lenin, or our own Jyoti Basu to be corrupt, but each of them led their nation-people to ruinous results. Do you really think that the declared policy package, left of left,  of AAP can be a source of nation's growth? Even on corruption, and Lokpal bill, people of great proven integrity and honesty have differences of opinion from Mr. Kejriwal/ AAP, so taking him as the exemplar promoter of integrity is  dangerous for the fight to eliminate corruption. In fact, the populist policies of AAP, to provide subsidized water or electricity, and expansion of corrupt PDS are sure harbinger of corruption in public life. 

                            We should all hope for a better political order, but these hopes better be grounded in the 'record of actions/ performance', and not on 'yet empty promises/ words'.  

                            In spite of my reservation and caution, AAP  has a right to join politics and you have a right to support them, but please spare us your arrogant self-righteousness, that you alone know the true path. This view is more fundamentalist than the call to arms of Jihadi warriors, who claim to be following the word of their God. 

                            Pankaj  



                            On Monday, December 30, 2013 10:42 AM, Ujjwal K Chowdhury <ujjwalk.chowdhury@...> wrote:
                             
                            Mr Pankaj, if the integrity of AAP members can be checked ONLY after they assume power etc as you say, then ALLOW them to do that. One can surely continue social change movements outside the purview of active politics. It is necessary, nothing wrong, rather very good for democracy. The nation is grateful to people like Anna Hazare, Aruna Roy, Medha Patkar.

                            But the same democracy also calls for a slightly different view, that the nation can be changed only from within, through honest politics and efficient decision making. That is what AAP is doing. You may disagree. BUT IT DOES NOT become IMMORAL.

                            Congress was the force of independence struggle. Individual Congress leaders could have made party/parties in different names. That was Gandhiji's thought when he said what he said. AAP is NOT Anna Movement. It is the political expression of the thoughts that led to the movement.

                            Rather than trying to vilify an honest attempt in politics, you may kindly put your good energies in fighting corrupt and communal politics and social change. Welcome probity, integrity in politics if some bold courageous people are trying to that.

                            Sorry to have butted in with my views, though I am now out of India. At the moment. We from all over the world is looking at AAP with great HOPE. Why don't you join us too?


                            On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Pankaj Jain <pjain2002@...> wrote:
                             
                            Gandhiji had advised Congress to not convert itself into a political party as pre-independence movement had wider participation of people with diverse political preferences. Use of the goodwill of independence movement by the then leadership to win election and political power was, to say the least, immoral use of independence struggle.

                            Likewise, the use of anti-corruption movement by a small group of political hopefuls is immoral. After all, the anti-corruption movement was supported and led by many people who are political opponents of AAP.

                            As far as the claims of integrity of AAP is concerned, it can be tested only after they have been in power for a long period. In the beginning of any political journey, all political parties start as clean-honest. the test of integrity comes when you enjoy power of patronage for long and still remain unsullied. Many political leaders have passed that test, certainly not the AAP leadership.

                            When would we go by action, and not just talk?

                            Pankaj
                              



                            On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 12:08 PM, Surendra Srivastava <surendra.srivastava@...> wrote:
                             
                            Media Release
                            (Hyderabad, 23/12/2013)
                             
                            AP voters should emulate their
                            Delhi counterparts: Lok Satta Partry
                             
                            Lok Satta Party national President Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan today whole-heartedly congratulated Mr. Arvind Kejriwal of the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) on accepting the Lt. Governor’s invitation to form the Government of the Union Territory of Delhi.
                             
                            “AAP led by Mr. Arvind Kejriwal and a large band of young, committed volunteers has written a new chapter in the evolution of Indian democracy,” said Dr. JP in a media statement.
                             
                            Underlining that creation of new ethical and rational politics for the next generation is the need of the hour Dr. JP recalled that the Lok Satta Party had been founded with that objective.
                             
                            “AAP’s spectacular debut in electoral politics is a significant step forward for transforming the politics of the country.”
                             
                            Saying that Delhi voters deserve all congratulations and gratitude for supporting new politics, Dr. JP said, “Now it is for voters elsewhere, particularly in troubled Andhra Pradesh, to rise as one and reject politics of money power and sectarianism and utilize the voting power to transform politics.”
                             
                            Dr. JP wished all the success to the AAP Government in fulfilling people’s aspirations.
                             
                             
                             
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