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  • Ashok Chowdhury
    What is the motivation for writting such malicious note against trade union in general, without any context. Whose interest the writer or the publisher is
    Message 1 of 9 , Jul 8, 2013
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      What is the motivation for writting such malicious note against trade union in general, without any context. Whose interest the writer or the publisher is serving? This is to be clarified before starting any debate.
      Ashok Choudhary
      All India Union of Forest Working People

      On Jul 8, 2013 5:14 AM, "loksamukhya" <loksamukhya@...> wrote:
      >
      >  
      >
      > The trade unions have played a big role in spoiling the public schools, colleges, hospitals and even factories. The leaders have demanded protection of people who do not work. They have never asked the teachers to teach well or asked the safai workers to clean well.
      >
      > The leaders have enjoyed their position to sit with ministers and boast of their status.
      >
      > They are no dreamers or visionaries.
      >
      > They have played a role in spoiling the communist/socialist parties.
      >
      >
      > Ashok
      >
      > I'm o

    • Sankara Narayanan
      I wrote about George Fernandes. What was the action of the TU leaders when Indira Gandhi declared Emergency? Except for the protected miniscule organised
      Message 2 of 9 , Jul 8, 2013
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        I wrote about George Fernandes.
         
        What was the action of the TU leaders when Indira Gandhi declared Emergency?
         
        Except for the protected miniscule organised section of labour, what is the contribution of the Trade Unions fo the workers at large?
         
        What is their contribution to mass movements in Kudankulam, Niyamgiri, Dhinkia, Lower Suktel, Dantewada etc?
         
        What were they doing when Nandigram & Singur were burning?
         
        SN


        On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Ashok Chowdhury <ashok.chowdhury@...> wrote:
         

        What is the motivation for writting such malicious note against trade union in general, without any context. Whose interest the writer or the publisher is serving? This is to be clarified before starting any debate.
        Ashok Choudhary
        All India Union of Forest Working People


        On Jul 8, 2013 5:14 AM, "loksamukhya" <loksamukhya@...> wrote:
        >
        >  
        >
        > The trade unions have played a big role in spoiling the public schools, colleges, hospitals and even factories. The leaders have demanded protection of people who do not work. They have never asked the teachers to teach well or asked the safai workers to clean well.
        >
        > The leaders have enjoyed their position to sit with ministers and boast of their status.
        >
        > They are no dreamers or visionaries.
        >
        > They have played a role in spoiling the communist/socialist parties.
        >
        >
        > Ashok
        >
        > I'm o


      • Sankara Narayanan
        Apart from their daily/monthly/annual rituals like pay rise, bonus & LTC, what is the relevance of these TUs visa vis the vast majority of the poor. I never
        Message 3 of 9 , Jul 8, 2013
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          Apart from their daily/monthly/annual rituals like pay rise, bonus & LTC,  what is the relevance of these TUs visa vis the vast majority of the poor.
           
          I never heard/saw any reaction leave alone direct action from these heartless TUs on the horrendous farm suicides. They are the perfect company to India Inc in such issues.
           
          Last but not least:
           
          Soni Sori & Kodopi are not existing in this land as for as these great revolutionary TUs.
           
          Shame on you, the so called Comrades.
           
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          RAIPUR, July 9, 2013

          Soni Sori, Lingaram Kodopi denied bail by Chhattisgarh High Court

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          Tribal schoolteacher Soni Sori and her relative Lingaram Kodopi have been denied bail by Chhattisgarh High Court in the Essar Steel case on Monday. Rejecting the bail petition, Justice Prashant Kumar Mishra of Chhattisgarh High Court said that “on basis of the seriousness of the evidence,” the bail petition had been rejected. Activists, associated with campaigns to free Ms. Sori, were perhaps expecting a positive order, especially after her acquittal in all other major cases in recent months.

          “This is extremely disappointing,” said one the campaigners.

          Ms. Sori’s lawyer in High Court, Shishir Dixit, told The Hindu that the judge listened to the argument for about an hour and then rejected the petition. “He said that the crime is of a heinous nature and on basis of the seriousness of the evidence, bail has been rejected,” said Mr. Dixit. Mr. Kodopi is a professionally trained tribal journalist from Dantewada and is also linked with Ms. Sori in the Essar Steel case.

          Other than one minor case of allegedly torching vehicles, where Ms. Sori got bail last May, both of them have been acquitted in all other cases. Ms. Sori has been acquitted in six other cases in the last one and half year, while Mr. Kodopi has been acquitted in the only other case of planning an attack on local Congress leader Avdesh Gautam.

          The remaining case is the one of Essar Steel, where both of them have been accused of arranging “protection money” on behalf of the company to Maoists. The main accused, D.V.C.S Verma, general manager at an Essar steel plant, and B.K. Lala, an Essar contractor, were arrested for allegedly disbursing the money. Both Mr. Verma and Mr. Lala got bail within first few months of their arrests.

          One of Mr. Kodopi’s lawyers, Amarnath Pandey, said that while the court’s order should be “observed with utter reverence,” the developments in Chhattisgarh are “deeply disturbing.”

          “The co-accused of Soni Sori and Lingaram Kodopi are managers or contractors of Essar Steel. The manager D.V.C.S. Verma got bail on grounds of ill-health and the police did not file a charge sheet against the contractor B.K. Lala within 90 days, and thus facilitated his bail. Are we to conclude that if one is with Essar, he can get bail, and rot in jail if she or he is not an employee [of Essar]?” Mr. Pande told The Hindu.

          He also said that while police allegedly seized Rs. 15 lakh from Mr. Lala, his “client [Mr. Kodopi] was not carrying any money … Yet Lingaram is in jail and Lala is out on bail.”

          Refusing to comment on the order on granting bail in an allegedly discriminatory manner, an Essar spokesperson told The Hindu that “the granting of bail is purely the jurisdiction of the court and based on merits and records before the court.”

          The bail plea of Ms. Sori and Mr. Kodopi was moved to High Court in Bilaspur last month amid speculation that the government had disapproved bail to almost all the tribal people who were arrested on charges related to Naxalite activities. “The very low rate of bail to tribal people arrested for allegedly supporting the Naxalites fuels the speculation,” said a lawyer. Moreover, the fact that Ms. Sori has always been acquitted in previous cases, yet never granted bail has also kept her lawyers in two minds. This prompted all her lawyers to move the bail petition.




          On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 6:23 AM, Sankara Narayanan <psn.1946@...> wrote:
          I wrote about George Fernandes.
           
          What was the action of the TU leaders when Indira Gandhi declared Emergency?
           
          Except for the protected miniscule organised section of labour, what is the contribution of the Trade Unions fo the workers at large?
           
          What is their contribution to mass movements in Kudankulam, Niyamgiri, Dhinkia, Lower Suktel, Dantewada etc?
           
          What were they doing when Nandigram & Singur were burning?
           
          SN


          On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Ashok Chowdhury <ashok.chowdhury@...> wrote:
           

          What is the motivation for writting such malicious note against trade union in general, without any context. Whose interest the writer or the publisher is serving? This is to be clarified before starting any debate.
          Ashok Choudhary
          All India Union of Forest Working People


          On Jul 8, 2013 5:14 AM, "loksamukhya" <loksamukhya@...> wrote:
          >
          >  
          >
          > The trade unions have played a big role in spoiling the public schools, colleges, hospitals and even factories. The leaders have demanded protection of people who do not work. They have never asked the teachers to teach well or asked the safai workers to clean well.
          >
          > The leaders have enjoyed their position to sit with ministers and boast of their status.
          >
          > They are no dreamers or visionaries.
          >
          > They have played a role in spoiling the communist/socialist parties.
          >
          >
          > Ashok
          >
          > I'm o



        • Pradipta Nayak
          Posting of this type of mail without any detail address or contact no. is cowardice. As to me Trade Union s are doing their activities within the ambit of rule
          Message 4 of 9 , Jul 8, 2013
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            Posting of this type of mail without any detail address or contact no. is cowardice. As to me Trade Union's are doing their activities within the ambit of rule of Law in this Country. They are fighting to protect the rights of the laborers. But some places a few TU leaders are compromising with the interests of the laborers. I know many central TU s are believe in work culture.

            Thanks
            Pradipta Nayak
            Human Rights Activist
            9437053329        


            From: Ashok Chowdhury <ashok.chowdhury@...>
            To: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Monday, 8 July 2013 1:15 PM
            Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] TU leaders

             
            What is the motivation for writting such malicious note against trade union in general, without any context. Whose interest the writer or the publisher is serving? This is to be clarified before starting any debate.
            Ashok Choudhary
            All India Union of Forest Working People
            On Jul 8, 2013 5:14 AM, "loksamukhya" <loksamukhya@...> wrote:
            >
            >  
            >
            > The trade unions have played a big role in spoiling the public schools, colleges, hospitals and even factories. The leaders have demanded protection of people who do not work. They have never asked the teachers to teach well or asked the safai workers to clean well.
            >
            > The leaders have enjoyed their position to sit with ministers and boast of their status.
            >
            > They are no dreamers or visionaries.
            >
            > They have played a role in spoiling the communist/socialist parties.
            >
            >
            > Ashok
            >
            > I'm o


          • Sankara Narayanan
            What is cowardice, gentleman! My mail ID is very much there for anyone react. Mr Ashok Nanda initiated the discussion. I responded. Nothing out of context. I
            Message 5 of 9 , Jul 9, 2013
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              What is cowardice, gentleman!
              My mail ID is very much there for anyone react.
               
              Mr Ashok Nanda initiated the discussion. I responded. Nothing out of context.
               
              I have listed specific deficiencies. I stand by that. Pl respond to the points initiated by Sh Nanda and my subsequent postings.
               
              Why do you need my CV, horoscope etc to respond?
               
              Sankara Narayanan


              On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Pradipta Nayak <pradiptahre@...> wrote:
               

              Posting of this type of mail without any detail address or contact no. is cowardice. As to me Trade Union's are doing their activities within the ambit of rule of Law in this Country. They are fighting to protect the rights of the laborers. But some places a few TU leaders are compromising with the interests of the laborers. I know many central TU s are believe in work culture.

              Thanks
              Pradipta Nayak
              Human Rights Activist
              9437053329        


              From: Ashok Chowdhury <ashok.chowdhury@...>
              To: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Monday, 8 July 2013 1:15 PM
              Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] TU leaders

               
              What is the motivation for writting such malicious note against trade union in general, without any context. Whose interest the writer or the publisher is serving? This is to be clarified before starting any debate.
              Ashok Choudhary
              All India Union of Forest Working People
              On Jul 8, 2013 5:14 AM, "loksamukhya" <loksamukhya@...> wrote:
              >
              >  
              >
              > The trade unions have played a big role in spoiling the public schools, colleges, hospitals and even factories. The leaders have demanded protection of people who do not work. They have never asked the teachers to teach well or asked the safai workers to clean well.
              >
              > The leaders have enjoyed their position to sit with ministers and boast of their status.
              >
              > They are no dreamers or visionaries.
              >
              > They have played a role in spoiling the communist/socialist parties.
              >
              >
              > Ashok
              >
              > I'm o



            • loksamukhya
              This posting was done by me. I write my name as Ashok . The issue here is if the TU leaders in India in general have worked for the cause of public services-
              Message 6 of 9 , Jul 10, 2013
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                This posting was done by me.
                I write my name as Ashok .
                The issue  here is if the TU leaders in India in general have worked for the cause of public services- improving work culture, teaching well or cleaning well etc.
                The leaders have bargained well for the Govt. and public sector employees.That is visible.

                In the past the TU leaders have organized the teachers.They got them many benefits. But they never did anything significant to improve their work culture. Rather most TU leaders were examples of poor work culture. They harrased good teachers.

                Similarly the TU leaders of safai workers. They were not working at all. The municipalities and hospitals were dirty and stinking. A bad tradition was set.Now these unorganized laborer are working.
                 Why should I blame the TU leaders for creating a conducive situation for privatisation.

                Ashok Nanda


                On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Pradipta Nayak <pradiptahre@...> wrote:
                 

                Posting of this type of mail without any detail address or contact no. is cowardice. As to me Trade Union's are doing their activities within the ambit of rule of Law in this Country. They are fighting to protect the rights of the laborers. But some places a few TU leaders are compromising with the interests of the laborers. I know many central TU s are believe in work culture.

                Thanks
                Pradipta Nayak
                Human Rights Activist
                9437053329        


                From: Ashok Chowdhury <ashok.chowdhury@...>
                To: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Monday, 8 July 2013 1:15 PM
                Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] TU leaders

                 
                What is the motivation for writting such malicious note against trade union in general, without any context. Whose interest the writer or the publisher is serving? This is to be clarified before starting any debate.
                Ashok Choudhary
                All India Union of Forest Working People
                On Jul 8, 2013 5:14 AM, "loksamukhya" <loksamukhya@...> wrote:
                >
                >  
                >
                > The trade unions have played a big role in spoiling the public schools, colleges, hospitals and even factories. The leaders have demanded protection of people who do not work. They have never asked the teachers to teach well or asked the safai workers to clean well.
                >
                > The leaders have enjoyed their position to sit with ministers and boast of their status.
                >
                > They are no dreamers or visionaries.
                >
                > They have played a role in spoiling the communist/socialist parties.
                >
                >
                > Ashok
                >
                > I'm o





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              • Pradipta Nayak
                Ashok Vai, There are many Ashok are posting the mail in this forum. How could I know that only name Ashok is meant for Ashok Nanda? In fact you are a senior
                Message 7 of 9 , Jul 10, 2013
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                  Ashok Vai,

                  There are many Ashok are posting the mail in this forum. How could I know that only name Ashok is meant for Ashok Nanda? In fact you are a senior person with progresive thought. How you are criticising the TU practice ? This is unfair and undemocratic. I am not supporting any currupt practice being a human rights activist. Rather we should uphold the demands of TUs in protection of worker's rights. If any thing relating to better work culture, what you mean to say and about a particular Union or Association, can discuss personaly with the leaders and members of that Union, if you are inerested. Do not blame generaly the working class as representative of Capitalist.

                  Thanks
                  Pradipta Nayak
                  Bhubaneswar
                  --------------------------------------------
                  On Wed, 10/7/13, loksamukhya <loksamukhya@...> wrote:

                  Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] TU leaders
                  To: "arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com" <arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com>
                  Date: Wednesday, 10 July, 2013, 7:00 AM
















                   









                  This posting
                  was done by me.
                  I write my name as Ashok .
                  The issue  here is if the TU leaders in India in
                  general have worked for the cause of public services-
                  improving work culture, teaching well or cleaning well etc.

                  The leaders have bargained well for the Govt. and
                  public sector employees.That is visible.

                  In the past the TU leaders have organized the
                  teachers.They got them many benefits. But they never did
                  anything significant to improve their work culture. Rather
                  most TU leaders were examples of poor work culture. They
                  harrased good teachers.


                  Similarly the TU leaders of safai workers. They were
                  not working at all. The municipalities and hospitals were
                  dirty and stinking. A bad tradition was set.Now these
                  unorganized laborer are working.
                   Why should I blame the TU leaders for creating a
                  conducive situation for privatisation.


                  Ashok Nanda
                  www.ashok.name


                  On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at
                  10:50 AM, Pradipta Nayak <pradiptahre@...>
                  wrote:
















                   









                  Posting of
                  this type of mail without any detail address or contact no.
                  is cowardice. As to me Trade Union's are doing their
                  activities within the ambit of rule of Law in this Country.
                  They are fighting to protect the rights of the laborers. But
                  some places a few TU leaders are compromising with the
                  interests of the laborers. I know many central TU s are
                  believe in work culture.


                  ThanksPradipta
                  NayakHuman Rights
                  Activist
                  9437053329  
                       


                  From: Ashok Chowdhury
                  <ashok.chowdhury@...>

                  To:
                  arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com

                  Sent: Monday,
                  8 July 2013 1:15 PM
                  Subject: Re:
                  [Arkitect India] TU leaders

















                   






                  What is the motivation for writting such
                  malicious note against trade union in general, without any
                  context. Whose interest the writer or the publisher is
                  serving? This is to be clarified before starting any
                  debate.



                  Ashok Choudhary

                  All India Union of Forest Working People

                  On Jul 8, 2013 5:14 AM, "loksamukhya" <loksamukhya@...>
                  wrote:

                  >

                  >  

                  >

                  > The trade unions have played a big role in spoiling the
                  public schools, colleges, hospitals and even factories. The
                  leaders have demanded protection of people who do not work.
                  They have never asked the teachers to teach well or asked
                  the safai workers to clean well.



                  >

                  > The leaders have enjoyed their position to sit with
                  ministers and boast of their status.

                  >

                  > They are no dreamers or visionaries.

                  >

                  > They have played a role in spoiling the
                  communist/socialist parties.

                  >

                  >

                  > Ashok

                  >

                  > I'm o





































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                • loksamukhya
                  Many people appreciate role of Aparajita Sadangi in ensuring teacher attendance in schools. I wish if our TU leaders who were very powerful in the past had
                  Message 8 of 9 , Jul 11, 2013
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                    Many people appreciate role of Aparajita Sadangi in ensuring teacher attendance in schools.
                    I wish if our TU leaders who were very powerful in the past had worked like good political leaders and had introduced a system of self monitoring to ensure quality teaching in Govt.and Aided schools and colleges. They could have easily done it if they had the will and commitment for the society.

                    I do not expect much from a petty TU leaders who are interested in protecting their constituency. But I expect social commitment and long term vision from leaders who claim themselves to be socialists or communists.

                    I wish Pradipta to continue the debate .I am always open to review my views.

                    Ashok
                    ashok.name


                    On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Pradipta Nayak <pradiptahre@...> wrote:
                     

                    Ashok Vai,

                    There are many Ashok are posting the mail in this forum. How could I know that only name Ashok is meant for Ashok Nanda? In fact you are a senior person with progresive thought. How you are criticising the TU practice ? This is unfair and undemocratic. I am not supporting any currupt practice being a human rights activist. Rather we should uphold the demands of TUs in protection of worker's rights. If any thing relating to better work culture, what you mean to say and about a particular Union or Association, can discuss personaly with the leaders and members of that Union, if you are inerested. Do not blame generaly the working class as representative of Capitalist.

                    Thanks
                    Pradipta Nayak
                    Bhubaneswar
                    --------------------------------------------


                    On Wed, 10/7/13, loksamukhya <loksamukhya@...> wrote:

                    Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] TU leaders
                    To: "arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com" <arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com>
                    Date: Wednesday, 10 July, 2013, 7:00 AM

















                     









                    This posting
                    was done by me.
                    I write my name as Ashok .
                    The issue  here is if the TU leaders in India in
                    general have worked for the cause of public services-
                    improving work culture, teaching well or cleaning well etc.

                    The leaders have bargained well for the Govt. and
                    public sector employees.That is visible.

                    In the past the TU leaders have organized the
                    teachers.They got them many benefits. But they never did
                    anything significant to improve their work culture. Rather
                    most TU leaders were examples of poor work culture. They
                    harrased good teachers.


                    Similarly the TU leaders of safai workers. They were
                    not working at all. The municipalities and hospitals were
                    dirty and stinking. A bad tradition was set.Now these
                    unorganized laborer are working.
                     Why should I blame the TU leaders for creating a
                    conducive situation for privatisation.


                    Ashok Nanda
                    www.ashok.name


                    On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at
                    10:50 AM, Pradipta Nayak <pradiptahre@...>
                    wrote:
















                     









                    Posting of
                    this type of mail without any detail address or contact no.
                    is cowardice. As to me Trade Union's are doing their
                    activities within the ambit of rule of Law in this Country.
                    They are fighting to protect the rights of the laborers. But
                    some places a few TU leaders are compromising with the
                    interests of the laborers. I know many central TU s are
                    believe in work culture.


                    ThanksPradipta
                    NayakHuman Rights
                    Activist
                    9437053329  
                         


                    From: Ashok Chowdhury
                    <ashok.chowdhury@...>

                    To:
                    arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com

                    Sent: Monday,
                    8 July 2013 1:15 PM
                    Subject: Re:
                    [Arkitect India] TU leaders

















                     






                    What is the motivation for writting such
                    malicious note against trade union in general, without any
                    context. Whose interest the writer or the publisher is
                    serving? This is to be clarified before starting any
                    debate.



                    Ashok Choudhary

                    All India Union of Forest Working People

                    On Jul 8, 2013 5:14 AM, "loksamukhya" <loksamukhya@...>
                    wrote:

                    >

                    >  

                    >

                    > The trade unions have played a big role in spoiling the
                    public schools, colleges, hospitals and even factories. The
                    leaders have demanded protection of people who do not work.
                    They have never asked the teachers to teach well or asked
                    the safai workers to clean well.



                    >

                    > The leaders have enjoyed their position to sit with
                    ministers and boast of their status.

                    >

                    > They are no dreamers or visionaries.

                    >

                    > They have played a role in spoiling the
                    communist/socialist parties.

                    >

                    >

                    > Ashok

                    >

                    > I'm o





































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