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16917Re: [Arkitect India] Evidence in the NHRC report on Gujarat riots

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  • Pankaj Jain
    Jul 31, 2013
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      Imran Bhai,

      I am not dismissing NHRC report, but simply pointing out its nature. The report does not have any conclusion by NHRC, only the record of what was or not told to it by various set of people. It is, therefore, like an information report, not a report of judicial commission, where the veracity of information provided is checked.


      From: Mohammad Imran <dalibagh@...>
      To: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 9:25 PM
      Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Evidence in the NHRC report on Gujarat riots

      Dear Pankaj:

      A report from a recognized government institution like NHRC can not be dismissed as a fancy of the writers. When they issue reports they have to have material to stand by the report if it is challenged in the court. You can not compare it to an FIR. You can compare it with other reports prepared and issued by other government organizations/departments on the basis of which rules and regulations are formulated and economy is run.


      On Jul 31, 2013, at 2:59 AM, Pankaj Jain wrote:



      This report is based upon a visit which was limited to listening the presentation by various people, which could be factual or allegations or perceptions. This report is more like a FIR and not a report of any in depth inquiry conducted by NHRC. This report and much more has already been properly examined both by the courts, Supreme court appointed investigation teams, SIT, and the Inquiry Commission.

      FIR is not even a charge sheet, so what credence is to be given to it, other than a basis of starting an inquiry. Sure this type of NHRC report was a good enough basis of starting inquiries, but that IS NOT the conclusion of judicial inquiry.

      So, where is the certification or endorsement of any facts in this report?


      From: Avinash Kumar <avinash@...>
      To: arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 5:41 PM
      Subject: Re: [Arkitect India] Provocative thoughts on Narendra Modi.

      This is turning out to be really an ill informed debate by those who claim there is really little evidence to prove Modi's role or complicity in the mass killings.
      Forget about everything else, just click on this link http://nhrc.nic.in/guj_annex_1.htm,

      which was basically a report submitted by National Human Rights Commission, a Constitutionally mandated body to look into these issues.
      Late Justice Verma headed this fact finding report.

      Avinash Kumar

      From:        Bhasha Singh <bhasha.k@...>
      To:        arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com,
      Date:        07/30/2013 05:35 PM
      Subject:        Re: [Arkitect India] Provocative thoughts on Narendra Modi.
      Sent by:        arkitectindia@yahoogroups.com

      Its not riots...it was genocide...state sponsered...pl...stop playing for blood
      On Jul 24, 2013 7:30 PM, "Pankaj Jain" <pjain2002@...> wrote:

      There is really little evidence, different from allegations, which make Mr. Modi's actions (or non-actions) worse than those of Pandit Nehru (1947), or Rajeev Gandhi (1986?), or Naik (CM-Maharashtra in 1992), Saikia (2012), Mulayam Uadav (UP-Maliana, ?) etc.  in controlling communal riots. In fact, his success in putting a stop to the trend of almost bi-annual communal riots in Gujarat over 1975-2002, in controlling the aftermath of attack on Akshar Dham, and in de-fanging the VHP in Gujarat is the stuff of which any secularist should be proud of. 

      True, there are many areas where development is lagging behind expectations in Gujarat, but isn't it inevitable. As with the riots, the outcomes are not always controllable by the Govt.. What Govt. should be held accountable is the errors of commission and omission. It will be better if the critics point out specific errors of omission or commissions that his Govt. did with regards to poverty-inequality, education, sex-ratios, health etc. compared to other State Govts. that are admired.


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      Tuesday, July 23, 2013 4:32 PM
      [Arkitect India] Second palli sabha in Niyamgiri deals double blow to Odisha govt

      Date: 22 July 2013 

      Published on Down To Earth (http://www.downtoearth.org.in)

      Second palli sabha in Niyamgiri deals double blow to Odisha government
      Sayantan Bera [1]
      Issue Date: 
      Kesarpadi residents cancel government’s settlement of community forest rights; unanimously reject Vedanta bauxite mining proposal
      District judge Sarat Chandra Misra walks up the forest path to Kesarpadi, his “orderly” holding the umbrella, under a tight security cordon (Photos: Sayantan Bera)
      Two days of pouring rain did little to dampen the spirit of the forest people of Niyamgiri. The second palli sabha or village council meeting at Kesarpadi in Rayagada district took a critical decision today: it cancelled Odisha state government’s proposed settlement of community and religious claims to the forests. The tribal hamlet also unanimously rejected the proposed bauxite mining inside the forest hills.
      This double blow to the state government and Vedanta Aluminium Limited follows close on the heels of the first palli sabha at Serkapadi where residents rejected the mining proposal on July 18 last week[2]. Following up on the Supreme Court order of April 18[3], the Odisha state government selected 12 villages—seven from Rayagada and five from Kalahandi district—to take a call on the proposed bauxite mining inside Niyamgiri hill range and whether it will infringe on their religious and cultural rights.
      A joint venture of the Orissa Mining Corporation Limited (OMCL) and Sterlite Industries, the Indian arm of the London Stock Exchange-listed Vedanta, wants to mine the forests for bauxite, to feed Vedanta’s alumina refinery on the foothills of Niyamgiri hills at Lanjigarh. At stake is 72 million tonnes of estimated bauxite deposits and an investment of Rs 40,000 crore by Vedanta in the state of Odisha.
      The palli sabha at Kesarpadi started almost forty minutes late because of rains. District judge of Rayagada, Sarat Chandra Misra, appointed observer by the Supreme Court, had to brave the rains and walk on the narrow forest path to reach Kesarpadi. Of the 36 voters in the Dongria Kondh tribal hamlet, 33 were in attendance—23 women outnumbering the 10 men. 
      Right at the beginning, Dondu Kutruka a young Dongria Kondh demanded the joint verification report by the state government, that proposed to settle the villagers’ community and religious claims to the forests, be rejected. “You people wrote everything in the office and never came to the village to verify. Now write whatever we say correctly and read it out. You cannot make a fool of us every time,” he warned the chair.
      On July 6, a team from the state government visited Kesarpadi to prepare a joint verification report to settle the villagers’ community and religious claims to the forests. The settlement report arbitrarily allotted community claims, for instance between 0.5 to 1.9 acres (one acre equals 0.4 hectare) for the five perennial streams in the village. The entire religious rights were settled with a mere 0.11 acres for local deities[4] (PDF of verification report [5]).
      Kesarpadi residents gave thumb impressions only after their rights over the entire Niyamgiri hills were recorded in the resolution
      “The entire Niyamgiri spread over Rayagada and Kalahandi is ours. You can take our life but we will not give it for mining,” thundered Kutruka. “Your temples are made of brick and cement. Ours are made of earth, leaves and the forests,” said the bejuni, village priestess of Kesarpadi.
      All the 33 residents of the village took the mike to reject proposed bauxite mining. “We get our Kosla and mandiya (minor millets) from the dongar (shift and burn cultivation plots on hill slope). These jungles are as much ours as it for the leopards and bears. We will not give it for mining,” said the village forest rights committee president Suku Kutruka.
      Before signing the minutes of the meeting, Kesarpadi residents ensured that their religious and community claims to the entire Niyamgiri is recorded in the resolution. They also claimed the proposed bauxite mining site of Dhangrabhata or Niyamdongar—the mythical birthplace of their ancestral kin and principal deity Niyamraja—as part of their religious and cultural rights.
      In an act of solidarity, Dongria Kondh women came from faraway villages and stood outside the Palli Sabha venue
      “We don’t want land titles in portions of the forests. Why should we, when everything belongs to us?” asked Lado Sikaka, leader of the Dongria Kondh who walked over three hours to reach Kesarpadi in time for the palli sabha. As happened in the previous palli sabha at Serkapadi, this one also saw several other tribals arriving at the venue and sitting outside in solidarity.
      “People today rejected the faulty government report that tried to limit their community and religious claims. The mood is upbeat and we are expecting similar resolutions from all the other palli sabhas,” said a jubilant Bhala Chandra Sadangi, CPI (ML) leader and advisor to the Niyamgiri Suraksha Samiti, the local resistance group.
      Tomorrow, Tadijhola, a non-tribal village in Kalahandi district will take a call on the mining proposal. The village can only be reached on foot, an hour’s walk through forest hills from the nearest docking point for cars and bikes. Hope the rains won’t play too much of a spoilsport.

      Source URL: http://www.downtoearth.org.in/content/second-palli-sabha-niyamgiri-deals-double-blow-odisha-government

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