My name is Christian, and yes, I am a follower of Christ. christianity has been stolen by the elite, true Christianity is very very socially (but not fiscally) liberal. jeasus would support legal drugs, gay marriage etc. as for the Constitution, yes, it was a bit vague and subject to interpretation like the bible but the overall thrust of it is without a drought very liberal. the the bible is also very freeing and libertarian: living under the law of love and not the written law (see the sermon on the mount). do you know that Jesus baptized with hemp oil? best wishes, chistian
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Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:46 PM
Subject: [arizonaporcupines] Re: Constitution's limits
--- In email@example.com, "christian peper"
> for fun I decided to respond: while it is fun to examine small
items >of the constitution the constitution must be vied as a whole.
viewed >as whole it is clear that the current welfare police state is
an >abomination (both to the founders and god).
Hi Christian (meaning Christ follower, correct?)
Here is Section 8 in its entirety:
"Section 8 - Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties,
Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common
Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties,
Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several
States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on
the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and
fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and
current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for
limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their
respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high
Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules
concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that
Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the
Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and
for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of
the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the
Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the
Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such
District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of
particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of
the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority
over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the
State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts,
Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying
into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by
this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any
Department or Officer thereof."
The so-called "public" has a lot of duties according to this
document. Very (un)clearly for example, it states that the federal
government can regulate commerce between the states. I can point out
a number of abominable Uniformity Acts and numerous commerce laws
which naturally DID occur with reference to the Constitution.
What about the two ideas of providing for general welfare and common
defense? These are not insignificant statements and are not at all
out of context.
Why does the Constitution give the so-called "the people" imagined
authority over a "POST OFFICE AND POST ROADS"? Why do you support
this tax-dollar enhanced monopoly?
To promote the progress of sciences and arts...takes money. Where do
you suppose "the people" are going to get the money? What do you
suppose it takes in order for "the people" to feel justified in
confiscating your money? It takes 51%; they add in big guns for
The Constitution is poorly written. The Constitution is prepared and
ready for interpretation. Once an interpretation is agreed on by 51%
of voters, VIOLA! you have a new law forced on 100% of voters and
100% of nonvoters. A new law funded by 100% of voters and nonvoters.
Attempting to RE-interpret the founding documents is going to get us
nowhere again and again. Maybe a fun game to play for some,
frustratingly retarded to me.
Please offer arguments (using the Constitution or other "legal" docs)
supporting use of such documents for developing a place in which
you'd like to live.
>there will come a time when support of the system will be a clear
>sin. till that time I >will grudgely pay taxes. christian peper
Define system. Every system?
What will make it clear for you?
Until this time of clarity, I assume paying taxes would not be
negative to you.
Everyone of these words typed above was accomplished while in a
smiley, joyous disposition. Want you to know that I have nothing but
warm regard for you. Therefore, this writing is intended to
encourage a pleasureable investigation into our minds.
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