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  • Randall Hunt
    Message 1 of 2 , Jan 3, 2002
      This recently appeared on the carfree_cities list...good news for arcology:

      > Date: Wed, 2 Jan 02 09:59:49 -0600
      > From: "michelle@..." <michelle@...>
      >Subject: Policing Underground Streets
      >Howard mentioned:
      >>Um-- a huge police force to patrol the tunnels, skywalks, and the shady
      >>beneath the skywalks?
      >Interesting question! I decided to do some research on Toronto's
      >underground street system to find out if Toronto requires more policing,
      >or has a higher crime rate than cities without this underground street
      >Here's what I found:
      >Toronto has 10 km (6 miles) of underground streets, connecting 1100
      >stores and restaurants, 40 office towers, and 6 major hotels. The streets
      >are always flanked by stores (at least all of them that I walked on!).
      >Here is the website for the underground street system, called PATH:
      >>From the city's website,
      >>Toronto ranked as the safest large metropolitan area in North America by
      >>Rated Almanac
      >>From The Relocation Crime Lab & HomeFair City Reports:
      >Toronto's Crime Lab Index: 165 (higher number means higher amount of
      >Toronto's City Population: 653,000
      >Compare to:
      >San Francisco's Crime Lab Index: 165
      >SF's city pop.: 776,000
      >Portland, OR, Crime Lab index: 192
      >Portland's city pop: 529,000
      >I also checked to see if Toronto has a larger police force than SF, but
      >it is almost exactly the same "uniform strength" per population:
      >Toronto's uniform strength per population: 1/498
      >SF's ": 1/500
      >(figures from these cities' police websites)
      >So it looks like as long as there are shops flanking the underground
      >streets, they will be just as safe as above-ground streets - and a lot
      >warmer! :-)
      >Michelle Giansante
      >P.S. From this research I found an interesting website:
      >"Retail Dynamics in Toronto's Underground System"
      >which contains this interesting quote on how the Toronto's underground
      >"At the same time, the underground provided a means of separating 'people
      >and traffic' in the core -- a central tenant [sic] of 1960s planning
      >policy. Municipal planning projections viewed the underground path system
      >as a solution to the problem of 'surface pedestrian congestion' that was
      >forecast to occur when pedestrian volumes exceeded sidewalk capacity in
      >the 1980s."
    • rhkratzse@aol.com
      In a message dated 1/4/02 5:18:26 PM, randhunt@wildapache.net writes:
      Message 2 of 2 , Jan 5, 2002
        In a message dated 1/4/02 5:18:26 PM, randhunt@... writes:

        << Toronto ranked as the safest large metropolitan area in North America by
        >Places >>

        Of COURSE -- it's in *Canada* !!!

        Would that we (US) could do as well.
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