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RE: [Zeitu n-eg.net/S tMina-Mona stery.org] [copts-un ited] .ال بابا "ثيئو ذورس" بابا الروم الأ رثوذكس يهد ي البابا ت واضروس تاج ا ذهبيا

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    We should look to this issue with an analytical mind: On the surface of these crowns are pictures of different Saints. Now, if all these Saints are one that
    Message 1 of 11 , Nov 19, 2012
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      We should look to this issue with an analytical mind:


      On the surface of these crowns are pictures of different Saints.


      Now, if all these Saints are one that both churches acknowledge i.e. before Chalcedon Council, then there is no problem whatsoever.


      On the other hand we should be very pleased that the Pat. of Constantinople is ready to crown the Coptic Pope with such an elegant crown. This should be taken in contest of both what was said (delivered) during the ceremony on Sunday (yesterday) and also considering recent history.


      On Sunday the Greek Bishop did deliver a short salutation to our Pope on behalf of the Pat. of Constantinople where the Bishop expressed the hope to continuo with the negotiations for the unity of the two churches. This aim is more to accept each others' faith and allow respective members to receive communion in the other churches. This should be a cause for celebration and not attack.


      Recent history: there were such talks and an agreement was about to be signed in Geneva haven't been for some mishaps. What the Constantinople Church want is clearly to resume such talks under the new Coptic Pope. Thus this crown should be seen as sign that Constantinople accept the concept of unity but each church keeps it's autonomy with its own hierarchy.


      Re the stand of Pope Shenouda from other denominations: this has changed as the years passed by and he was very much for unities and an agreement would have been signed between His Church and Constantinople during his reign.



      To: arbible@yahoogroups.com
      From: eghobrial@...
      Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:05:58 +0000
      Subject: RE: [Zeitun-eg.net/StMina-Monastery.org] [copts-united] .البابا "ثيئوذورس" بابا الروم الأرثوذكس يهدي البابا تواضروس تاجا ذهبيا

       
      Dear Friends,
      Please ,Please stop this nonsense and concentrate on the BIBLE and the teaching of the Holy sprit
      Thanks ,
      Dr. Emeel Ghobrial
       

      To: arbible@yahoogroups.com
      From: NELDEIRY@...
      Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:05:38 -0500
      Subject: Re: [Zeitun-eg.net/StMina-Monastery.org] [copts-united] .البابا "ثيئوذورس" بابا الروم الأرثوذكس يهدي البابا تواضروس تاجا ذهبيا

       
      
      plain nonsense
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Peter
      Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 3:25 PM
      Subject: Re: [Zeitun-eg.net/StMina-Monastery.org] [copts-united] .المطران"ثيئوذورس" مطران الروم الأرثوذكس يهدي البابا تواضروس تاجا ذهبيا

       


      ومن قال أن كل ما قاله أو عمله البطريرك شنودة ينبغي أن يؤخذ كميزان الحق وقاعدته ؟!!!


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      On 2012-11-18, at 10:17 PM, Basem Mikhael <basem_mekhael@...> wrote:

       


      هل تقصد أنه كان من المفروض أن يرفض هديته ؟؟ هل وضع البابا التاج علي رأسه ؟ 
      من المحبة أن يقبل الهدية و من الحكمة أن لا يضعه علي رأسه و هذا ما حدث


      From: Zaki Geddaa <zg10000@...>
      To: "arbible@yahoogroups.com" <arbible@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 6:01 PM
      Subject: Re: [Zeitun-eg.net/StMina-Monastery.org] [copts-united] .المطران"ثيئوذورس" مطران الروم الأرثوذكس يهدي البابا تواضروس تاجا ذهبيا

       
      حينما أهدى البابا كيرلس السادس عصا رعاية لرئيس أساقفة فنلندا ، كتب الأنيا شنودة أسقف التعليم ( البابا شنودة الثالث ) فى مجلة الكرازة عام 1966 العدد الثامن صفحة 61 ما يلى
      لا نريد أن نقع فى خطأ مجلس الكنائس العالمى الذى يهدف إلى تذويب الفروق الإيمانية ، وتوحيد الكنائس شكلياً مع تناسى العقيدة واللاهوت
      ............................
      وحدة ... لكن فى الإيمان
      هذا ما قاله الأنبا شنودة حين أهدى البابا كيرلس عصا رعاية لرئيس أساقفة للروم الأرثوذكس ، فكيف يكون الأمر حين يتوج بابانا بتاج مهدى من الروم الأرثوذكس
      أرجوكم لا تتكلموا عن حسن المقصد ، وأهه هدية وخلاص
      فى الأمور الدينية والعقيدية لا يوجد إلا أبيض وأسود ، صح وغلط
       
              
          
      Best Regards , 
                        Zaki
          
          



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