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  • arbible
    Aug 2, 2006
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      Thanks for your reply, but let me respectfully disagree with you.
      Knowing who the authors are, esp. their affiliations and credentials,
      is very important when deciding about the quality of what we read on
      the Web (is it written by an authoritative source with appropriate
      credentials?).
      Check out this PPT of mine:
      http://healthcybermap.org/MNKB_Quality.PDF
      God Bless.
      --- In arbible@yahoogroups.com, Coptic Truth <coptic_truth01@...>
      wrote:
      >
      > ÔßÑÇ áß Úáì ÇÞÊÑÇÍß æáßä ãä ÇáãÄßÏ Ãä áäÇ ÃÓÈÇÈ ÞæíÉ ÇáÊí ÊãäÚäÇ ãä
      ÇáÇÓÊÌÇÈÉ æãäåÇ:
      >
      > ÃæáÇ: Åä ÍãÇíÉ åÄáÇÁ ÇááÇåæÊííä ÇáÐíä íßÊÈæä Ýí ãæÞÚäÇ ãä ÇáÅÑåÇÈ
      ÇáßäÓí Çáíæã áÃãÑ ÖÑæÑí ÌÏÇ ÍÊì Ãä ßá ãä íÓÊØíÚ Ãä íÚáãäÇ ãä ÍÞå Ãä
      äÚØíå ÇáÃãÇä áíÊßáã Ïæä Ãä íÊÚÑÖ áÃÚãÇá ÇáÞãÚ æÇáÍÑã æÚÏã ÇáÕáÇÉ Úáì
      ãæÊÇåã Ãæ ÊÞÏíã ÇáÎÏãÇÊ ÇáßäÓíÉ áåã áÐáß ÝãæÞÚäÇ åæ ãäÈÑ ÍÑ áßá ãä
      íÑíÏ Ãä íÞæá ÇáÍÞ Ïæä ÎæÝ. ÃÞæá áß Ãä ßÊøóÇÈäÇ ãä Èíäåã ßåäÉ ÃÝÇÖá áÇ
      äÑíÏ Ãä äÚÑÖåã ááãåÇáß. äÍä äÔÌÚ ÇáÌãíÚ Úáì ÇáßÊÇÈÉ æäÖãä ÚÏã ÊÓÑÈ Ãí
      ÃÓãÇÁ.
      >
      > ËÇäíÇ: Åä ãä áÇ íÓÊØíÚ Ãä íãíÒ Èíä ÇáÊÚáíã ÇááÇåæÊí ÇáÕÍíÍ ãä
      ÇáÊÚáíã ÇáÛÇÔ ÅáÇ ÈãÚÑÝÉ ÇÓã ÇáßÇÊÈ íáÒãå ãÑÇÌÚÉ ÅíãÇäå æãÏì ÇÓÊÞÇãÊå
      Úáì ÇáÍÞ ÇáÅäÌíáí æÇáÊÓáíã ÇáÑÓæáí æÊÚÇáíã ÇáÃÈÇÁ. Åä ÞÑÇÁÉ ÇáäÕæÕ
      ÇáãßÊæÈÉ áÃí ÅäÓÇä ÚäÏå ÃÞá ÏÑÇíÉ ÈÇáãÓíÍíÉ ÃÙä Ãäå ãä ÇáÓåá Úáíå Ãä
      íãíÒ æíÚÑÝ ÇáÞÇãÉ ÇáÑæÍíÉ æÇááÇåæÊíÉ ÇáãÑÊÝÚÉ áßÊÇÈÊÇ.
      >
      > ËÇáËÇ: Åä ÃåãíÉ æÎØæÑÉ ÇáßÊÇÈÇÊ ÇáÊí äÔÑäÇåÇ Úáì ãæÞÚäÇ ÞÏ ÃËÇÑÊ
      ßá ãä ÇáÃäÈÇ íæÓÝ ÃÓÞÝ ÌäæÈ ÃãÑíßÇ æÇáÃäÈÇ ÓÑÇÈíæä ÃÓÞÝ áæÓ ÃäÌáæÓ
      æÇáÃäÈÇ ÈíÔæí ãØÑÇä ÏãíÇØ ÝÞÇã ßá æÇÍÏ ãäåã ÈÇáÑÏ ÚáíäÇ æãåÇÌãÉ
      ßÊÇÈÇÊäÇ¡ æÞÏ ÞãäÇ ÈÇáÑÏ Úáíåã ÌãíÚÇ æíÓÊØíÚ ÇáÞÇÑÆ ÇáãËÞÝ ãä ÎáÇá åÐÇ
      ÇáÍæÇÑ ÇááÇåæÊí ÇáæÇÖÍ Ãä íÊÚÑÝ Úáì ÇáÃÑËæÐßÓíÉ ÇáÍÞíÞíÉ .
      >
      > ÑÇÈÚÇ: ÈÚÏ ßá Ðáß ÞÇã ÇáÃäÈÇ ÔäæÏÉ ÈÇáÑÏ ÚáíäÇ Ýí ãÌáÉ ÇáßÑÇÒÉ
      ÇáÓäÉ 32 ÇáÚÏÏÇä 31- 32 ÈÊÇÑíÎ 22 ÃßÊæÈÑ 2004. æÞÏ ÞãäÇ ÈÇáÑÏ Úáíå.
      >
      > ÎÇãÓÇ: Åä ßÊÇÈÇÊäÇ åí ÇáÊí ÃÓßÊÊ æÃÛáÞÊ ÈÇÈÇ ÇááÇåæÊ ÇáãÞÇÑä Ýí
      ãÌáÉ ÇáßÑÇÒÉ ÇáÐí Ùá íäÔÑ ÊÚÇáíã áÇåæÊíÉ ÎØíÑÉ æÝÇÓÏÉ. æÑÛã ßá ãÍÇæáÇÊ
      ÇáÚÞáÇÁ áã íÓÊØÚ ÃÍÏ Ãä íÓßÊ åÐÇ ÇáÕæÊ ÇáåÑØæÞí áÓäíä ØæíáÉ ÌÏÇ.
      æáÞÏ äÌÍÊ ßÊÇÈÇÊäÇ Ýí ÅÓßÇÊ åÐÇ ÇáÕæÊ! áãÇÐÇ¿
      >
      > ÓÇÏÓÇ: Åä ßÊÇÈäÇ íÞæãæä ÈÅÚÏÇÏ ÑÏÇ áÇåæÊíÇ ßÇãáÇ Úáì ÇáËãÇäíÉ
      ßÊíÈÇÊ Úä ÇááÇåæÊ ÇáãÞÇÑä ÇáÊí ÃÕÏÑåÇ ÇáÈÇÈÇ. æÇáÊí ÊÏÑÓ Ýí
      ÇáÅßáíÑíßíÉ Úáì ÃäåÇ ÇáÃÑËæÐßÓíÉ.
      >
      > ÓÇÈÚÇ: ÅääÇ áÇ íåãäÇ Ãä íÚÑÝäÇ ÇáäÇÓ ÈÞÏÑ ãÇ åæ ãåã Ãä íÚÑÝæÇ ÇáÍÞ
      ÇáÃÑËæÐßÓí ÝíÚÑÝæÇ ÇáãÓíÍ ßãÇ åæ ÍÊì íÓÊÞíã ÅíãÇäåã æÊÕÍ ÚÈÇÏÊåã. ÅääÇ
      äØáÈ ÎáÇÕ ßá ÇáäÝæÓ æÃæáÇ ÎáÇÕ äÝÓ ÇáÃäÈÇ ÔäæÏÉ ÇáÐí äÕáí ãä ÃÌáå æäÏÚæ
      ÇáÌãíÚ ááÕáÇÉ ãä ÃÌáå ÍÊì íÑÝÚ Úäå åÐå ÇáÚËÑÉ ÇáÔäíÚÉ .
      >
      > ËÇãäÇ: Åä ßá ãä ÞÏã áäÇ ÇÓÊÝÓÇÑÇ ÝíãÇ äßÊÈ ÞãäÇ ÈÇáÑÏ Úáíå Èßá
      ÊÝÕíá ææÖæÍ æÝí ÈÚÖ ÇáãæÇÞÝ ÞãäÇ ÈÊÈÇÏá ÚÏÉ ÑÓÇÆá ãÚ ÔÎÕ æÇÍÏ. æáÞÏ
      ÊÌÇåáäÇ ÈÚÖ ÇáÑÓÇÆá ÛíÑ ÇáãæÖæÚíÉ ÇáÊí ÊÏá ÚÏã ÏÑÇíÉ ßÇãáÉ ÈÇáãæÖæÚ¡
      ßãÇ ÊÚÑÖäÇ ááßËíÑ ãä ÇáÑÓÇÆá ÇáãÓÊÝÒÉ ÞãäÇ ÈÇáÑÏ Úáì ÇáÞáíá ãäåÇ
      ÚäÏãÇ æÌÏäÇ åäÇß ÖÑæÑÉ áÐáß.
      >
      > ÔÚÇÑäÇ: áÞÏ ÊÓáøóã åÐÇ ÇáÌíá ÅíãÇä ÇáßäíÓÉ ÇáæÇÍÏÉ ÓáíãÇ ãÛãæÓÇ ÈÏã
      ÇáÔåÏÇÁ¡ æÚáíå Ãä íÓáã äÝÓ ÇáÅíãÇä ÇáãÓÊÞíã áÌíá ÌÏíÏ ãÍÝæÙÇð ãä ßá ÚÈË
      ÈÃí Ëãä.
      >
      > "Ãä íÏ ÇáÑÈ áä ÊÞÕÑ Úä Ãä ÊÎáÕ" .
      >
      > áÌäÉ ÇáÏÝÇÚ Úä ÇáÃÑËæÐßÓíÉ Ýí ÇáßäíÓÉ ÇáÞÈØíÉ
      >
      >
      >
      > arbible <mnkamel@...> wrote: > ÞÇã ÈÇáÑÏ æÇáãäÇÞÔÉ æÇáÍæÇÑ
      ãÌãæÚÉ ãä ÇááÇåæÊííä ÇáÃÑËæÐßÓ
      > Could you please name those people (and their affiliation(s)) for
      the
      > sake of accountability and transparency? The currently missing
      > authorship information on your site is severely undermining the
      > objectivity and credibility of your opinions. (Please don't tell us
      > that 'names are not important'!)
      > God Bless.
      > --- In arbible@yahoogroups.com, Coptic Truth <coptic_truth01@>
      > wrote:
      > >
      > > áÌäÉ ÇáÏÝÇÚ Úä ÇáÃÑËæÐßÓíÉ Ýí ÇáßäíÓÉ ÇáÞÈØíÉ
      > > Coptic Truth
      > > ÊÞæã ÈÇáÑÏ Úáì ÇáÇÊåÇãÇÊ ÇáãÒíÝÉ ÇáãæÌåÉ ÖÏ ÇáãÊäíÍ ÇáÃÈ ãÊíøó
      > ÇáãÓßíä æÛíÑå ãä ÇááÇåæÊííä Úáì ãæÞÚäÇ ÇáÂÊí
      > >
      > > http://au.geocities.com/coptic_truth01/
      > >
      > > ÞÇã ÈÇáÑÏ æÇáãäÇÞÔÉ æÇáÍæÇÑ ãÌãæÚÉ ãä ÇááÇåæÊííä ÇáÃÑËæÐßÓ æÞÏ
      > ÞÇãÊ ÈãÍÇæÑÉ ßá ãä
      > > äíÇÝÉ ÇáÃäÈÇ íæÓÝ
      > > äíÇÝÉ ÇáÃäÈÇ ÓÑÇÈíæä
      > > äíÇÝÉ ÇáÃäÈÇ ÈíÔæí
      > > ÞÏÇÓÉ ÇáÈÇÈÇ ÇáÃäÈÇ ÔäæÏÉ ÇáËÇáË
      > > ÇáÍæÇÑ Ôãá ÍÊì ÇáÂä ãæÖæÚíä ÝÞØ åãÇ ÇáåÑØÞÇÊ Íæá ÓÑ ÇáÅÝÎÇÑÓÊíÇ
      > æÇáÊÃáå
      > > ÇáãæÞÚ ÊÍÊ ÇáÊÃÓíÓ æãÇ ÒÇá áÏíäÇ ãÞÇáÇÊ ßËíÑ É ÌÇÑí ÅÚÏÇÏåÇ ááäÔÑ
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > moheb saleb <mohebsaleb@> wrote: ÓÄÇáí Ýí ÇáÞÇäæä
      > ÇáßäíÓí ÇáÐí ÇÚÑÝ Ýíå ÇáÞáíá
      > > åá íÍá áÇÓÞÝ Çí ßÇä ãÑÊÈÊå Çä íÏíä ßÊÇÈÇÊ ÇÍÏ Çæ ÇÝßÇÑ ÇÍÏ Çæ
      > ÊÚÇáíã ÇÍÏ ÈÏæä ãÍÇßãå ÇáÇÝßÇÑ Úáí ãÓÊæí ÇáßäíÓå ßãÌãÚ
      > > ÇáÇãÑ ÎØíÑ ÝÇä íßæä Úáã ÇááÇåæÊ åæ äÊÇÌ ÔÎÕ Ôí ÎØíÑ Çä íßæä
      > ÔÎÕ æÇÍÏ åæ ÇáãÑÌÚ Ôí ÎØíÑ
      > > ÇáßäíÓå ÇáßÇËæáßíå ÇáÈÇÈÇ íÞæá ÇááÚÙå ãßÊæÈå áå ãä áÇåæÊí
      > ÇáßäíÓå Çí äÍä ãä Ðáß
      > > ãÇåæ ÇáÝÑÞ Èíä ÇáÇÏÇäå ßÎØíå íÍÇÓÈ ÚáíåÇ ÇáãÓíÍ áÇäå ÊßÓíÑ Ýí
      > ÇáßäíÓå ÌÓÏå æÈíä ÕÏ ÇáåÑÇØÞå ÇáíÓ åæ ãÌãÚ ÇáßäíÓå
      > > Ëã áãÇÐÇ ÕäÚ ÇáãÌãÚ ÇáãÞÏÓ ÇáíÓ áåÐå ÇáÇãæÑ Çã
      > > ááØáÈ ãä ÇáßÇåä Çä íáÈÓ ÔÑÇÈ ÈÔßá ÏÇÆã
      > > ãÍÈ æÏíÚ
      > >
      > >
      > > ---------------------------------
      > > From: "Medhat Maurice" <pub_reltns1_m@>
      > > Reply-To: arbible@yahoogroups.com
      > > To: <arbible@yahoogroups.com>
      > > Subject: RE: [Zeitun-eg.org] H.E. Metropolitan Bishoy answer to
      > questions about Fr. Matta El-Meskeen
      > > Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:10:36 +0300
      > >
      > > æáÚáäì ÇÖíÝ Çäå ãä ÃÚÙã ÇááÇåæÊííä Ýì ÇáãÓíÍíÉ ãä ÑÈØ ÇáÊÚáíã
      > æÇááÇåæÊ ÈÇáÍíÇÉ ÇáãÚÇÔÉ æÇáÊØÈíÞ ÇáÑæÍí æÇáÚãáí
      > > ÈÏáÇ ãä ääÞÖ ÇáÑÌá ÇáÚÙíã ÇáÐí áå ãä ËãÇÑ ÇáÎÏãÉ æÇáæÒäÇä ÇáÑÇÆÚÉ
      > ãÇ áÇ íÍÕì æáÇ íÚÏ ÊÚÇáæÇ äÊãËá ÈÓíÑÊåã æÅíãÇäåã æËãÇÑåã
      > > íÇ áå ãä ÔÞÇÁ æÊÚÇÓÉ æÊÚÈ Çäå ÏÇÆãÇ äÑßÒ Úáì ÇáÌÒÁ ÇáÝÇÑÛ ãä ÇáßÃÓ
      >
      > > ÃÖã ÕæÊí Åáì ßá ãä äÕÍå áíÞÑÁÇ ÇáßÊÈ ÇáÊí ÃäÊÌåÇ ÃÈæäÇ ãÊì áíÊÚáã
      > ßíÝ íÑÖì Çááå ßíÝ Çäå ßÇä íÈÔÑ ÈãÇ íÄãä Èå
      > > áÊÏÚæäÇ ááÔÞÇÞ ÝÃäÊ ÇÕÛÑ ãä Ðáß ÈßËíÑ æáÇ ÊáÚÈ ÈÇáäÇÑ ÝÃäåÇ Ãæá ãÇ
      > ÊáÓÚ ÞÏ ÊÍÑÞß ÃäÊ ÔÎÕíÇ
      > > íÇ ÕÏíÞí Çääì ÃÎÇÝ Úáíß ãä íÏíäæäå åÐÇ ÇáÃÈ ÇáæÑÚ æÇáãÚáã ÇáÝÐ
      > æÃÑÌæ Çä ÊÕáì Åä íÛÝÑ ÇáÑÈ áß æíÓÇãÍß æíÚØíß ãä ÔÈÚå æÏÓã ÈíÊå
      > > æÇáÑÈ ãÚßã
      > > ãÏÍÊ ãæÑíÓ
      > >
      > >
      > > From: arbible@yahoogroups.com [mailto:arbible@yahoogroups.com] On
      > Behalf Of Coptic By_Nature
      > > Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 7:58 AM
      > > To: arbible@yahoogroups.com
      > > Subject: Re: [Zeitun-eg.org] H.E. Metropolitan Bishoy answer to
      > questions about Fr. Matta El-Meskeen
      > >
      > >
      > > ÊÚÊÈÑ ßÊÇÈÇ Ê ÃÈæäÇ ãÊì ÇáãÓßíä åí ÃÚÙã ßÊÇÈÇÊ ÑæÍíÉ áÇåæÊíÉ
      > ÃÑËæÐßÓíÉ ÕÏÑÊ ÈÇááÛÉ ÇáÚÑÈíÉ Úáì ÇáÅØáÇÞ. æÐáß ÈÔåÇÏÉ ÃÚÙã ÚáãÇÁ
      > ÇááÇåæÊ ÇáÃÑËæÐßÓ Ýí ÇáÚÇáã. ÞÈá ÃÈæäÇ ãÊì ßÇäÊ ÇáßÊÇÈÇÊ ÇááÇåæÊíÉ
      > ÇáÚÑÈíÉ Ýí ÇáßäíÓÉ ÇáÞÈØíÉ ÚÈÇÑÉ Úä ßÊÇÈÇÊ ÖÍáÉ æÊÎÈØ Èíä ÇáÝßÑ
      > ÇáÈÑæÊæÓÊäÊí æÇáßÇËæáíßí æßáÇåãÇ ÝßÑ ÛÑÈí ÈÚíÏ ÊãÇãÇ Úä ÑæÍ ÇáÂÈÇÁ
      > æÇáÊÞáíÏ ÇáßäÓí ÇáÃÑËæÐßÓí.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > ßá ãä íÊÔßß ÃÏÚæå áÞÑÇÁÉ ßÊÈ ÃÈæäÇ ãÊì ÇáÚãáÇÞÉ æÝÍÕåÇ áãÚÑÝÉ
      > ãÏì ÚÙãÉ åÐå ÇáßÊÈ æãÏì ÇáÚØÇÁ æÇáÛäì ÇáÐí ÃÕÈÛå ÇáÑæÍ ÇáÞÏÓ Úáì åÐÇ

      > ÇáÌíá ãä ÃÌá ÇÍÊíÇÌå.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Dalia Hanna <dalia_hanna7@> wrote:
      > > ÑÌÇÁ ÅÚáÇãäÇ ÈÃÓãÇÁ ÇáßÊÈ Ãæ ÇáãÞÇáÇÊ ÇáÊì ÃÊÓãÊ ÈÇáåÑØÞÉ æ
      > ÇáãÛÇáØÇÊ ÇáãäÓæÈÉ Åáíå Ýì åÐÇ ÇáÍÏíË
      > >
      > > æ ÔßÑÇ
      > >
      > >
      > > arbible <arbible@> wrote:
      > > Q:
      > > You said that Sadat caused division in Egypt, and started
      > fundamentalism. And it was
      > >
      > > a difficult time but now it has changed. But there is one problem
      > with which did not
      > > change and I think it started recently. I got to know that there
      > is as I heard it a personal
      > > conflict between one of the monks of the Makarios monastery and
      > Papa Shenouda.
      > > Metropolitan Bishoi:
      > > Yes, Father Matta El-Miskeen is a very famous monk in Egypt and
      > > during a certain period he was the father of confession of Pope
      > Shenouda. But Pope
      > > Shenouda was revising his books because Pope Shenouda was highly
      > qualified in the
      > > seminary while this monk was not. He was in monastic life before
      > Pope Shenouda but
      > > Pope Shenouda was more qualified theologically than him. His
      > first book was about the
      > > life of prayer and was revised by Pope Shenouda when he was still
      > a layman and a
      > > teacher in the seminary. Now this monk who was not educated in a
      > theological school,
      > > read many books and began writing strange doctrines from whatever
      > he read, which he
      > > published. He writes things against our teaching so he's causing
      > much trouble for our
      > > educated people who are reading his books and magazines. So the
      > problem with this
      > > monk is his teaching which has many mistakes and is contrary to
      > the teaching of our
      > > church. You cannot say that he a liberal theologian but you can
      > say that he is a type of
      > > heretical person. You know what happened in the fifth century
      > between St. Peter of
      > > Alexandria and Nestorius of Constantinopel. So Nestorius was not
      > a liberal theologian
      > > but he was a heretical teacher. So heretical teaching is not
      > always liberal theology but
      > > sometimes he is also liberal. But it is not his only problem.
      > I'll give you one example
      > > about his teaching. He says that on Pentecost fifty days after
      > the resurrection of our Lord,
      > > the Holy Spirit came on the church. He says the divine nature of
      > God was united to the
      > > human nature at that day exactly as it happened in the
      > incarnation of the Son of God
      > > when He was born of the virgin Mary. Divinity of humanity was
      > united together. So
      > > Jesus Christ is God who became man, but how can I say that St.
      > Peter or St. Paul or St.
      > > John, became the same as Jesus Christ on Pentecost? Divine nature
      > united to human
      > > nature. So the incarnation for him magnified that which started
      > in Him in Bethlehem and
      > > was reaching its peak on Pentecost. So this is heretical teaching
      > because he is saying that
      > > any Christian is equal to Jesus Christ the Son of God and we
      > don't accept that. You
      > > cannot see this in the Catholic church, in the Protestant church,
      > nobody can accept this I
      > > think. So we are having a problem with this person because of his
      > erroneous teaching.
      > > At the time of Sadat he tried to take advantage of the opposition
      > between Sadat and the
      > > church because of terrorism in Egypt, the fundamentalist movement
      > and attacks on the
      > > churches and the Copts and he tried also to apply Islamic sharia
      > in Egypt which we didn't
      > > accept at that time like what happened in the Sudan. So he took
      > the chance and made an
      > > alliance with Sadat against the church and it was very shameful
      > for him. He lost most of
      > > his popularity among our people.
      > > Q:
      > > So what can you do in a case like this? You say he does not
      > belong to the Coptic
      > > church from what he is saying. Is there anything you can do in
      > this situation?
      > > Metropolitan Bishoi:
      > > We responded to his teaching. What he has done with Sadat was
      > > over because Sadat was killed one month after what he had done.
      > He couldn't continue
      > > his plans so everything ended but his teaching is still wrong.
      > What we are doing is to
      > > respond to his teaching and to spread the correct teaching
      > everywhere by His Holiness
      > > Pope Shenouda and also our bishops and theologians and priests.
      > We speak openly to the
      > > people. Another thing is that some of his disciples are repeating
      > his erroneous teaching or
      > > going into other areas to publish it in magazines. He published
      > his teachings in books, but
      > > they publish in magazines but more detailed. So there can be a
      > trial for his disciples in the
      > > church. But since he [Father Matta] is an elder, we find it
      > difficult to do more than what
      > > we are doing now, we find it is enough to officially renounce
      > this. Sometimes we inform
      > > the Holy Synod about his erroneous teaching but we don't want to
      > have a confrontation
      > > with him personally but perhaps some of his disciples may be
      > judged by the church.
      > > Q:
      > > Is this also why his books are not available in churches?
      > > Metropolitan Bishoi:
      > > Of course, because they have erroneous teaching. It goes against
      > > the common Christian belief. No wise Christian person would
      > accept that he is equal to
      > > Jesus Christ. Why are we worshipping Jesus Christ when we are
      > equal to him? It is a mad
      > > idea! So this is a complete distruction of Christianity. Because
      > how can we be equal to
      > > the Son of God, one of the Holy Trinity, Father, Son and the Holy
      > Spirit. That is what I
      > > think. What is the view of Christianity in front of non-
      > Christians when we say that we are
      > > Gods like Jesus Christ. They are accusing us that we are heretics
      > because we are speaking
      > > about a God who became Man. But now what will they say about man
      > who became god?
      > > If you are heretical because you believe that Jesus Christ is
      > God, who is the eternal Son
      > > of God, what can they say if I say that you are God also?
      > > Q:
      > > So this was all the discussed by the Holy Synod?
      > > Metropolitan Bishoi:
      > > It is not yet discussed in the Holy Synod but it is discussed in
      > the
      > > seminary and in everywhere in our churches and nobody accepts
      > this, especially bishops.
      > > Q:
      > > You just said that some of his disciples may face a trial, and
      > that also there are no
      > > bishops appointed from the monastery of Makarios?
      > > Metropolitan Bishoi:
      > > Yes, of course there are some bishops who were in St. Makarios
      > > Monastery who came here [in the Monastery of Bishoi]. They
      > transferred and after some
      > > years they became bishops. We have about four of that type, no so
      > many.
      > > Q:
      > > You took them back also? You welcomed them?
      > > Metropolitan Bishoi:
      > > Yes.
      > >
      > > Source:
      > > Interview with Metropolitan Bishoi, Secretary of the Holy Synod
      > of the Coptic
      > > Orthodox Church, November 14, 2002
      > > Author (transcribed and edited by): Rick Anderson
      > > [Interview conducted by Heike Schmidt, ZDF, German TV].
      > > http://www.cawu.org/cawu_docs/Coptic%20Orthodox%20Christianity%
      > 20in%20Egypt.pdf
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