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  • ke6gyd
    Really appreciate your help. Still not going into KISS mode: Port(KPC3):2013-08-30T05:15:29.953 KISS:Missing 0, found C0[94]: @` l
    Message 1 of 29 , Aug 29, 2013
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      Really appreciate your help. Still not going into KISS mode:

      Port(KPC3):2013-08-30T05:15:29.953 KISS:Missing 0, found C0[94]:<C0 8E A0 A6 98 96>@`<AE>l<86 A6 A0>@b<9C>l<8A B0>@@<E3 03 F0>$GPGGA,051524,3350.5768,N,11755.8527,W,1,08,1.2,37.2,M,-31.9,M,,*4A<0D 0A C0>

      Copied and pasted exactly your settings into the .xml file.

      If any other advice, let me know. We'll keep trying.
      Thanks
      Bob
      KE6GYD

      --- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@...> wrote:
      >
      > From the log, it is not going into KISS mode.
      > The only issue I see is an "EXTRA <ONE>   on your first <OpenCmd>
      >   and it looks like I had a bad "cmd:" after the reset.
      >
      >
      > Here is an EXACT copy of my port for my KPC-3:
      > <!--RFPort[0]-->
      >
      > <RFPort Name="KPC3">
      > <Protocol>KISS</Protocol>
      > <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device>
      > <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud>
      > <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd>
      > <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
      > <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
      > <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!0</OpenCmd>
      > <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
      > <OpenCmd>INT KISS!!0</OpenCmd>
      > <OpenCmd>RESET!!3</OpenCmd>
      > <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
      > <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd>
      > <QuietTime>0</QuietTime>
      > <Enabled>1</Enabled>
      > <XmitEnabled>1</XmitEnabled>
      > <ProvidesNMEA>0</ProvidesNMEA>
      > <RFtoISEnabled>1</RFtoISEnabled>
      > <IStoRFEnabled>1</IStoRFEnabled>
      > <MyCallNot3rd>0</MyCallNot3rd>
      > <BeaconingEnabled>1</BeaconingEnabled>
      > <BeaconPath>WIDE2-1</BeaconPath>
      > <BulletinObjectEnabled>1</BulletinObjectEnabled>
      > <DXEnabled>1</DXEnabled>
      > <DXPath>RFONLY</DXPath>
      > <MessagesEnabled>1</MessagesEnabled>
      > <MessagePath></MessagePath>
      > <TelemetryEnabled>0</TelemetryEnabled>
      > <TelemetryPath></TelemetryPath>
      > <!--DigiXform-->
      > </RFPort>
      > <!--RFPort[0]-->
      >
      >
      > If power is lost while connected, it may stay in KISS mode, If you OPEN and CLOSE the port (or exit and restart APRSIS32 again, it will close and reopen the port properly.
      > If you have an issue the first time, try
      >    >Enables >View Logs >Ports(KPC-3)
      >    >Enables > Port >KPC-3            to close the port
      > then again
      >    >Enables > Port >KPC-3            to re-open the port
      >
      > Then check the log - post if needed
      > Robert Giuliano
      > KB8RCO
      >
      >
      > ---------------------------------------------
      >
      > From: ke6gyd <ke6gyd@...>
      > To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:01 PM
      > Subject: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
      >
      >  
      > Below are the settings I've done as per your last suggestion. Still can't get KPC3 (NO PLUS) to work except for one time after editing the xml file to your suggestions. Don't know if I changed anything that one time. Maybe I'm missing something?
      >
      > <!--RFPort[0]-->
      > <RFPort Name="KPC-3">
      > <Protocol>KISS</Protocol>
      > <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device>
      > <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud>
      > <OpenCmd>^M~1!!0</OpenCmd>
      > <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
      > <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
      > <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
      > <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
      > <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
      > <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd>
      > <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
      > <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!!0</CloseCmd>
      > <CloseCmd>TC 1!TS
      > 1</CloseCmd>
      > <CloseCmd>TN 2,0!TN 2,0</CloseCmd>
      > <QuietTime>0</QuietTime>
      > <Enabled>0</Enabled>
      >
      > Log shows:
      > Port(KPC-3):2013-08-29T23:59:52.125 KISS:Missing 0, found C0[101]:<C0 82 A0 9E A8>db<E0 96 94>l<88 B0 A4 E2 9C>l<8A B0>@@<E9 03 F0>/235948h3344.52N/11800.58W>261/000!W85!/A=000007 12.5V 38C HDOP00.9 SATS08 <C0>
      >
      > Looks like it somehow is not in KISS mode?
      >
      > Any suggestions would be appreciated.
      > Thanks
      > Bob
      > KE6GYD
      >
      > --- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@> wrote:
      > >
      > > APRSIS32 has commands in the XML file that provide "INSTRUCTIONS" to the TNC when the port is OPENED or CLOSED.
      > > These commands can be used to tell the KPC-3 to enter KISS MODE when the port is opened,
      > and to
      > tell the KPC-3 to return to its standard mode when the port is closed.
      > >    KEY-> the port is opened when APRSISce/32 requests use of it
      > >              Application start-up if configured as OPEN on last close
      > >             Also through the menu system:
      > >               >Enables >Ports {your KPC3 port name}
      > >
      > >  You have to edit the XML file in the directory where you APRSIS32.EXE file is (or linked to if you have a complex setup)
      > > Mine is setup with:
      > > <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd>
      > > <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
      > > <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
      > > <OpenCmd>XFLOW
      > ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
      > > <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
      > > <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
      > > <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd>
      > >
      > > <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
      > > <CloseCmd>^C^C^C!~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd>
      > >
      > > The open commands seem like a lot of "extras", but I had soime issues with FLOW and Duplex, so I explicitly set them in the setup.
      > >
      > > Give these a try and let us know
      > >
      > > Robert Giuliano
      > > KB8RCO
      > >
      > >
      > > ---------------------------------------------
      > >
      > >
      > > ________________________________
      > > From: ke6gyd <ke6gyd@>
      > > To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
      > > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:35 AM
      > > Subject:
      > [aprsisce]
      > Re: KPC3 configuration
      > >
      > >  
      > >
      > > I'm leaning toward on demand and would like the TNC to return to normal mode since I use the TNC mostly for EComm use of Packet.
      > >
      > > What I don't understand in the text below is how to set that up with my KPC-3 and 3+. I'm not familiar with the terminology stated.
      > >
      > > Can APRSIS32 put the TNC in KISS Mode by configuring certain settings or is that set in the TNC? Where can I find the menu's to accomplish this?
      > >
      > > BTW, I also have a TinyTrak4 that I've got working just fine in KISS mode with APRSIS32, but I'd like the ability to use the KPC'3 if I don't have the TT4 available.
      > >
      > > Thanks
      > > Bob
      > > KE6GYD
      > >
      > > --- In mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > I TOTALLY disagree!
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > I agree that the best mode is KISS, but
      > whether you CHOOSE to have it continuously in KISS mode (over resets) or CHOOSE to have APRSISce/32 put it in KISS mode on start and set it back to normal (converse) mode after shut down, is COMPLELY up to you.
      > > >
      > > > Which you choose will determine what type of port
      > > >    Continuous Mode - Simple KISS
      > > >    KISS on demand - set OPENCMD and CLOSECMD commands to ensure the TNC (KPC-3) is in the correct mode.
      > > >
      > > > I use the KPC-3, all the time (KB8RCO).  Not the Plus . . .
      > > >  
      > > >
      > > > Robert Giuliano
      > > > KB8RCO
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > ---------------------------------------------
      > > >
      > > > From: Adam Mahnke <kc2ant@>
      > > > To: "mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com>
      > > > Sent: Tuesday,
      > August 27, 2013 10:16 PM
      > > > Subject: RE: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration
      > > >
      > > >  
      > > > As I recall, the KPC3 will only work in KISS mode, the trick is locking it into KISS mode across a power reset.
      > > >
      > > > http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/tnc-kpc-3
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Adam
      > > > KC2ANT
      > > > To: aprsisce@: ke6gyd@: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 00:10:31 +0000Subject: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration 
      > > > I've just installed APRSISCE and it's working on the laptop (Vista 32)and receiving Local APRS sations via the internet. I need to use a KPC 3 AND 3+ so I can see stations received via RF. Does the KPC3 have to be in KISS mode? I also use the KPC3 with Outpost Packet Message Manager using Terminal Mode, so connections are already made to radio, TNC and computer using
      > a
      > USB to RS232-adapter. I'm a neophyte at APRS as well as packet but wanting to learn more.ThanksBobKE6GYD
      > > >
      > >
      >
    • Bob Harris
      Are you editing the .xml file /while/ aprsis32 is running? If so, your changes are being overwritten when you close and restart the program. Be sure to close
      Message 2 of 29 , Aug 30, 2013
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        Are you editing the .xml file while aprsis32 is running? If so, your changes are being overwritten when you close and restart the program. Be sure to close the program before saving any changes to the .xml file made with an external editor.

        Also, if you made a typo, the program will complain when you start it the next time (don't remember the exact wording, but something about using the safe copy of the .xml file) and will start up with the last known good copy of the .xml file. (Been there, done that).

        On 8/30/2013 1:19 AM, ke6gyd wrote:
         

        Really appreciate your help. Still not going into KISS mode:

        Port(KPC3):2013-08-30T05:15:29.953 KISS:Missing 0, found C0[94]:<C0 8E A0 A6 98 96>@`<AE>l<86 A6 A0>@b<9C>l<8A B0>@@<E3 03 F0>$GPGGA,051524,3350.5768,N,11755.8527,W,1,08,1.2,37.2,M,-31.9,M,,*4A<0D 0A C0>

        Copied and pasted exactly your settings into the .xml file.

        If any other advice, let me know. We'll keep trying.
        Thanks
        Bob
        KE6GYD

        --- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@...> wrote:
        >
        > From the log, it is not going into KISS mode.
        > The only issue I see is an "EXTRA <ONE>   on your first <OpenCmd>
        >   and it looks like I had a bad "cmd:" after the reset.
        >
        >
        > Here is an EXACT copy of my port for my KPC-3:
        > <!--RFPort[0]-->
        >
        > <RFPort Name="KPC3">
        > <Protocol>KISS</Protocol>
        > <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device>
        > <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud>
        > <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd>
        > <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
        > <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
        > <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!0</OpenCmd>
        > <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
        > <OpenCmd>INT KISS!!0</OpenCmd>
        > <OpenCmd>RESET!!3</OpenCmd>
        > <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
        > <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd>
        > <QuietTime>0</QuietTime>
        > <Enabled>1</Enabled>
        > <XmitEnabled>1</XmitEnabled>
        > <ProvidesNMEA>0</ProvidesNMEA>
        > <RFtoISEnabled>1</RFtoISEnabled>
        > <IStoRFEnabled>1</IStoRFEnabled>
        > <MyCallNot3rd>0</MyCallNot3rd>
        > <BeaconingEnabled>1</BeaconingEnabled>
        > <BeaconPath>WIDE2-1</BeaconPath>
        > <BulletinObjectEnabled>1</BulletinObjectEnabled>
        > <DXEnabled>1</DXEnabled>
        > <DXPath>RFONLY</DXPath>
        > <MessagesEnabled>1</MessagesEnabled>
        > <MessagePath></MessagePath>
        > <TelemetryEnabled>0</TelemetryEnabled>
        > <TelemetryPath></TelemetryPath>
        > <!--DigiXform-->
        > </RFPort>
        > <!--RFPort[0]-->
        >
        >
        > If power is lost while connected, it may stay in KISS mode, If you OPEN and CLOSE the port (or exit and restart APRSIS32 again, it will close and reopen the port properly.
        > If you have an issue the first time, try
        >    >Enables >View Logs >Ports(KPC-3)
        >    >Enables > Port >KPC-3            to close the port
        > then again
        >    >Enables > Port >KPC-3            to re-open the port
        >
        > Then check the log - post if needed
        > Robert Giuliano
        > KB8RCO
        >
        >
        > ---------------------------------------------
        >
        > From: ke6gyd <ke6gyd@...>
        > To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:01 PM
        > Subject: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
        >
        >  
        > Below are the settings I've done as per your last suggestion. Still can't get KPC3 (NO PLUS) to work except for one time after editing the xml file to your suggestions. Don't know if I changed anything that one time. Maybe I'm missing something?
        >
        > <!--RFPort[0]-->
        > <RFPort Name="KPC-3">
        > <Protocol>KISS</Protocol>
        > <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device>
        > <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud>
        > <OpenCmd>^M~1!!0</OpenCmd>
        > <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
        > <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
        > <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
        > <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
        > <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
        > <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd>
        > <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
        > <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!!0</CloseCmd>
        > <CloseCmd>TC 1!TS
        > 1</CloseCmd>
        > <CloseCmd>TN 2,0!TN 2,0</CloseCmd>
        > <QuietTime>0</QuietTime>
        > <Enabled>0</Enabled>
        >
        > Log shows:
        > Port(KPC-3):2013-08-29T23:59:52.125 KISS:Missing 0, found C0[101]:<C0 82 A0 9E A8>db<E0 96 94>l<88 B0 A4 E2 9C>l<8A B0>@@<E9 03 F0>/235948h3344.52N/11800.58W>261/000!W85!/A=000007 12.5V 38C HDOP00.9 SATS08 <C0>
        >
        > Looks like it somehow is not in KISS mode?
        >
        > Any suggestions would be appreciated.
        > Thanks
        > Bob
        > KE6GYD
        >
        > --- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@> wrote:
        > >
        > > APRSIS32 has commands in the XML file that provide "INSTRUCTIONS" to the TNC when the port is OPENED or CLOSED.
        > > These commands can be used to tell the KPC-3 to enter KISS MODE when the port is opened,
        > and to
        > tell the KPC-3 to return to its standard mode when the port is closed.
        > >    KEY-> the port is opened when APRSISce/32 requests use of it
        > >              Application start-up if configured as OPEN on last close
        > >             Also through the menu system:
        > >               >Enables >Ports {your KPC3 port name}
        > >
        > >  You have to edit the XML file in the directory where you APRSIS32.EXE file is (or linked to if you have a complex setup)
        > > Mine is setup with:
        > > <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd>
        > > <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
        > > <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
        > > <OpenCmd>XFLOW
        > ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
        > > <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
        > > <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
        > > <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd>
        > >
        > > <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
        > > <CloseCmd>^C^C^C!~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd>
        > >
        > > The open commands seem like a lot of "extras", but I had soime issues with FLOW and Duplex, so I explicitly set them in the setup.
        > >
        > > Give these a try and let us know
        > >
        > > Robert Giuliano
        > > KB8RCO
        > >
        > >
        > > ---------------------------------------------
        > >
        > >
        > > ________________________________
        > > From: ke6gyd <ke6gyd@>
        > > To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
        > > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:35 AM
        > > Subject:
        > [aprsisce]
        > Re: KPC3 configuration
        > >
        > >  
        > >
        > > I'm leaning toward on demand and would like the TNC to return to normal mode since I use the TNC mostly for EComm use of Packet.
        > >
        > > What I don't understand in the text below is how to set that up with my KPC-3 and 3+. I'm not familiar with the terminology stated.
        > >
        > > Can APRSIS32 put the TNC in KISS Mode by configuring certain settings or is that set in the TNC? Where can I find the menu's to accomplish this?
        > >
        > > BTW, I also have a TinyTrak4 that I've got working just fine in KISS mode with APRSIS32, but I'd like the ability to use the KPC'3 if I don't have the TT4 available.
        > >
        > > Thanks
        > > Bob
        > > KE6GYD
        > >
        > > --- In mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@> wrote:
        > > >
        > > > I TOTALLY disagree!
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > I agree that the best mode is KISS, but
        > whether you CHOOSE to have it continuously in KISS mode (over resets) or CHOOSE to have APRSISce/32 put it in KISS mode on start and set it back to normal (converse) mode after shut down, is COMPLELY up to you.
        > > >
        > > > Which you choose will determine what type of port
        > > >    Continuous Mode - Simple KISS
        > > >    KISS on demand - set OPENCMD and CLOSECMD commands to ensure the TNC (KPC-3) is in the correct mode.
        > > >
        > > > I use the KPC-3, all the time (KB8RCO).  Not the Plus . . .
        > > >  
        > > >
        > > > Robert Giuliano
        > > > KB8RCO
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > ---------------------------------------------
        > > >
        > > > From: Adam Mahnke <kc2ant@>
        > > > To: "mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com>
        > > > Sent: Tuesday,
        > August 27, 2013 10:16 PM
        > > > Subject: RE: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration
        > > >
        > > >  
        > > > As I recall, the KPC3 will only work in KISS mode, the trick is locking it into KISS mode across a power reset.
        > > >
        > > > http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/tnc-kpc-3
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Adam
        > > > KC2ANT
        > > > To: aprsisce@: ke6gyd@: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 00:10:31 +0000Subject: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration 
        > > > I've just installed APRSISCE and it's working on the laptop (Vista 32)and receiving Local APRS sations via the internet. I need to use a KPC 3 AND 3+ so I can see stations received via RF. Does the KPC3 have to be in KISS mode? I also use the KPC3 with Outpost Packet Message Manager using Terminal Mode, so connections are already made to radio, TNC and computer using
        > a
        > USB to RS232-adapter. I'm a neophyte at APRS as well as packet but wanting to learn more.ThanksBobKE6GYD
        > > >
        > >
        >


        --

        BobHarris (K9UDX)
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      • Fred Hillhouse
        Is there something missing on this page? http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/doc:openclosecmd In the samples at the bottom, the one for KISS ON appears incomplete
        Message 3 of 29 , Aug 30, 2013
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          Is there something missing on this page?
           
          In the samples at the bottom, the one for "KISS ON" appears incomplete when compared with the open commands below. Or is "cmd:" always expected so it really doesn't need to be included?
           
          Best regards,
          Fred N7FMH



          From: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Giuliano
          Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 21:31
          To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration

           

          From the log, it is not going into KISS mode.
          The only issue I see is an "EXTRA <ONE>   on your first <OpenCmd>
            and it looks like I had a bad "cmd:" after the reset.

          Here is an EXACT copy of my port for my KPC-3:
          <!--RFPort[0]-->
          <RFPort Name="KPC3">
          <Protocol>KISS</Protocol>
          <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device>
          <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud>
          <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd>
          <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
          <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
          <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!0</OpenCmd>
          <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
          <OpenCmd>INT KISS!!0</OpenCmd>
          <OpenCmd>RESET!!3</OpenCmd>
          <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
          <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd>
          <QuietTime>0</QuietTime>
          <Enabled>1</Enabled>
          <XmitEnabled>1</XmitEnabled>
          <ProvidesNMEA>0</ProvidesNMEA>
          <RFtoISEnabled>1</RFtoISEnabled>
          <IStoRFEnabled>1</IStoRFEnabled>
          <MyCallNot3rd>0</MyCallNot3rd>
          <BeaconingEnabled>1</BeaconingEnabled>
          <BeaconPath>WIDE2-1</BeaconPath>
          <BulletinObjectEnabled>1</BulletinObjectEnabled>
          <DXEnabled>1</DXEnabled>
          <DXPath>RFONLY</DXPath>
          <MessagesEnabled>1</MessagesEnabled>
          <MessagePath></MessagePath>
          <TelemetryEnabled>0</TelemetryEnabled>
          <TelemetryPath></TelemetryPath>
          <!--DigiXform-->
          </RFPort><!--RFPort[0]-->


          If power is lost while connected, it may stay in KISS mode, If you OPEN and CLOSE the port (or exit and restart APRSIS32 again, it will close and reopen the port properly.
          If you have an issue the first time, try
             >Enables >View Logs >Ports(KPC-3)
             >Enables > Port >KPC-3            to close the port
          then again
             >Enables > Port >KPC-3            to re-open the port

          Then check the log - post if needed
          Robert Giuliano
          KB8RCO


          ---------------------------------------------

          From: ke6gyd <ke6gyd@...>
          To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:01 PM
          Subject: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
           
          Below are the settings I've done as per your last suggestion. Still can't get KPC3 (NO PLUS) to work except for one time after editing the xml file to your suggestions. Don't know if I changed anything that one time. Maybe I'm missing something?

          <!--RFPort[0]-->
          <RFPort Name="KPC-3">
          <Protocol>KISS</Protocol>
          <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device>
          <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud>
          <OpenCmd>^M~1!!0</OpenCmd>
          <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
          <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
          <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
          <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
          <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
          <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd>
          <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
          <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!!0</CloseCmd>
          <CloseCmd>TC 1!TS 1</CloseCmd>
          <CloseCmd>TN 2,0!TN 2,0</CloseCmd>
          <QuietTime>0</QuietTime>
          <Enabled>0</Enabled>

          Log shows:
          Port(KPC-3):2013-08-29T23:59:52.125 KISS:Missing 0, found C0[101]:<C0 82 A0 9E A8>db<E0 96 94>l<88 B0 A4 E2 9C>l<8A B0>@@<E9 03 F0>/235948h3344.52N/11800.58W>261/000!W85!/A=000007 12.5V 38C HDOP00.9 SATS08 <C0>

          Looks like it somehow is not in KISS mode?

          Any suggestions would be appreciated.
          Thanks
          Bob
          KE6GYD

          --- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@...> wrote:
          >
          > APRSIS32 has commands in the XML file that provide "INSTRUCTIONS" to the TNC when the port is OPENED or CLOSED.
          > These commands can be used to tell the KPC-3 to enter KISS MODE when the port is opened, and to tell the KPC-3 to return to its standard mode when the port is closed.
          >    KEY-> the port is opened when APRSISce/32 requests use of it
          >              Application start-up if configured as OPEN on last close
          >             Also through the menu system:
          >               >Enables >Ports {your KPC3 port name}
          >
          >  You have to edit the XML file in the directory where you APRSIS32.EXE file is (or linked to if you have a complex setup)
          > Mine is setup with:
          > <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd>
          > <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
          > <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
          > <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
          > <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
          > <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
          > <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd>
          >
          > <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
          > <CloseCmd>^C^C^C!~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd>
          >
          > The open commands seem like a lot of "extras", but I had soime issues with FLOW and Duplex, so I explicitly set them in the setup.
          >
          > Give these a try and let us know
          >
          > Robert Giuliano
          > KB8RCO
          >
          >
          > ---------------------------------------------
          >
          >
          > ________________________________
          > From: ke6gyd <ke6gyd@...>
          > To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:35 AM
          > Subject: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
          >
          >  
          >
          > I'm leaning toward on demand and would like the TNC to return to normal mode since I use the TNC mostly for EComm use of Packet.
          >
          > What I don't understand in the text below is how to set that up with my KPC-3 and 3+. I'm not familiar with the terminology stated.
          >
          > Can APRSIS32 put the TNC in KISS Mode by configuring certain settings or is that set in the TNC? Where can I find the menu's to accomplish this?
          >
          > BTW, I also have a TinyTrak4 that I've got working just fine in KISS mode with APRSIS32, but I'd like the ability to use the KPC'3 if I don't have the TT4 available.
          >
          > Thanks
          > Bob
          > KE6GYD
          >
          > --- In mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@> wrote:
          > >
          > > I TOTALLY disagree!
          > >
          > >
          > > I agree that the best mode is KISS, but whether you CHOOSE to have it continuously in KISS mode (over resets) or CHOOSE to have APRSISce/32 put it in KISS mode on start and set it back to normal (converse) mode after shut down, is COMPLELY up to you.
          > >
          > > Which you choose will determine what type of port
          > >    Continuous Mode - Simple KISS
          > >    KISS on demand - set OPENCMD and CLOSECMD commands to ensure the TNC (KPC-3) is in the correct mode.
          > >
          > > I use the KPC-3, all the time (KB8RCO).  Not the Plus . . .
          > >  
          > >
          > > Robert Giuliano
          > > KB8RCO
          > >
          > >
          > > ---------------------------------------------
          > >
          > > From: Adam Mahnke <kc2ant@>
          > > To: "mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com>
          > > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 10:16 PM
          > > Subject: RE: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration
          > >
          > >  
          > > As I recall, the KPC3 will only work in KISS mode, the trick is locking it into KISS mode across a power reset.
          > >
          > > http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/tnc-kpc-3
          > >
          > >
          > > Adam
          > > KC2ANT
          > > To: aprsisce@: ke6gyd@: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 00:10:31 +0000Subject: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration 
          > > I've just installed APRSISCE and it's working on the laptop (Vista 32)and receiving Local APRS sations via the internet. I need to use a KPC 3 AND 3+ so I can see stations received via RF. Does the KPC3 have to be in KISS mode? I also use the KPC3 with Outpost Packet Message Manager using Terminal Mode, so connections are already made to radio, TNC and computer using a USB to RS232-adapter. I'm a neophyte at APRS as well as packet but wanting to learn more.ThanksBobKE6GYD
          > >
          >

        • Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)
          Actually, it IS going into KISS mode or you wouldn t be seeing the stuff. That s the KISS packet wrapper. The issue is that APRSISCE/32 is expecting a
          Message 4 of 29 , Aug 30, 2013
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            Actually, it IS going into KISS mode or you wouldn't be seeing the <C0>
            stuff. That's the KISS packet wrapper. The issue is that APRSISCE/32 is
            expecting a command 0 (low nibble) in the first byte of the KISS packet,
            but your packet has 8E or command 14. I need to look that up, but here's
            the interpretation of the packet from your log (I assume you get one of
            these for every packet received?).

            <C0 - Packet framing character
            8E - Type indicator - but this seems to be missing in your packet!
            8E A0 A6 98 96>@` - Destination callsign (GPSLK )
            <AE>l<86 A6 A0>@b - Source callsign (W6CSP -1)
            <9C>l<8A B0>@@<E3 - Path component (N6EX -1) used (high bit) & last component (low bit)
            03 F0> - AX.25 protocol and flags (IIRC)
            $GPGGA,051524,3350.5768,N,11755.8527,W,1,08,1.2,37.2,M,-31.9,M,,*4A - Packet payload!
            <0D 0A - Don't know why he's including the <cr><lf>, but it's in the packet! - See below...
            C0> - Packet framing character


            The byte immediately following the opening <C0> is SUPPOSED to be a
            command byte whose upper bit (8x) indicates a SMACK packet, the next 3
            bits are the port number, and the lower nibble (4 bits) is the command
            which APRSISCE/32 expects to be 0 and is causing the packet to be
            rejected. However, your packet seems to be missing this byte because the
            <8E> that was there appears to be the first character (G) of the
            destination callsign. For the KISS spec, please see
            http://www.ax25.net/kiss.aspx which states at the end of section 4:

            > The following types are defined in frames to the host:
            >
            > Type Function Comments
            >
            > 0 Data frame Rest of frame is data from
            > the HDLC channel.

            The destination, source, and path callsigns are bit-shifted ASCII and
            the -SSIDs are encoded in 4 bits of binary along with some flags (hence
            the 0-15 limit on AX.25 compatible -SSIDs). This is the AX.25 packet
            header being carried in the KISS data frame.

            The packet payload is a raw $GPGGA string that correlates to what
            aprs.fi shows for W6CSP-1
            (http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=W6CSP-1&limit=5&view=hex). Interestingly
            though, the <CR><LF> aren't in those raw packets, but then they weren't
            digipeated by N6EX-1 either, but received directly by the BOXSPG IGate
            with the original WIDE2-2 path intact. N6EX-1 seems to have replaced the
            path with his own used callsign and apparently appended a <CR><LF> to
            the packet unless that was done by your TNC.

            Question: if you receive other packets in this trace log, do they all
            end with <0D 0A C0>? This may be another bust (IMHO) in your TNC's KISS
            implementation.

            Bottom line: while this appears to be a KISS packet, it's not a proper
            KISS packet, at least not for what I've read in the KISS specs.

            Does anyone else out there have one of these TNCs connected to
            APRSISCE/32 in KISS mode and what are you seeing in your port's trace
            log if you enable it?

            And Bob, if you Enable this trace log, do you see any packets coming
            through cleanly or are they all complaining about the "Missing 0"?

            Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

            On 8/30/2013 1:19 AM, ke6gyd wrote:
            > Really appreciate your help. Still not going into KISS mode:
            >
            > Port(KPC3):2013-08-30T05:15:29.953 KISS:Missing 0, found C0[94]:<C0 8E A0 A6 98 96>@`<AE>l<86 A6 A0>@b<9C>l<8A B0>@@<E3 03 F0>$GPGGA,051524,3350.5768,N,11755.8527,W,1,08,1.2,37.2,M,-31.9,M,,*4A<0D 0A C0>
            >
            > Copied and pasted exactly your settings into the .xml file.
            >
            > If any other advice, let me know. We'll keep trying.
            > Thanks
            > Bob
            > KE6GYD
            >
            > --- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@...> wrote:
            >> From the log, it is not going into KISS mode.
            >> The only issue I see is an "EXTRA <ONE> Â on your first <OpenCmd>
            >> Â and it looks like I had a bad "cmd:" after the reset.
            >>
            >>
            >> Here is an EXACT copy of my port for my KPC-3:
            >> <!--RFPort[0]-->
            >>
            >> <RFPort Name="KPC3">
            >> <Protocol>KISS</Protocol>
            >> <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device>
            >> <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud>
            >> <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd>
            >> <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
            >> <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
            >> <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!0</OpenCmd>
            >> <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
            >> <OpenCmd>INT KISS!!0</OpenCmd>
            >> <OpenCmd>RESET!!3</OpenCmd>
            >> <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
            >> <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd>
            >> <QuietTime>0</QuietTime>
            >> <Enabled>1</Enabled>
            >> <XmitEnabled>1</XmitEnabled>
            >> <ProvidesNMEA>0</ProvidesNMEA>
            >> <RFtoISEnabled>1</RFtoISEnabled>
            >> <IStoRFEnabled>1</IStoRFEnabled>
            >> <MyCallNot3rd>0</MyCallNot3rd>
            >> <BeaconingEnabled>1</BeaconingEnabled>
            >> <BeaconPath>WIDE2-1</BeaconPath>
            >> <BulletinObjectEnabled>1</BulletinObjectEnabled>
            >> <DXEnabled>1</DXEnabled>
            >> <DXPath>RFONLY</DXPath>
            >> <MessagesEnabled>1</MessagesEnabled>
            >> <MessagePath></MessagePath>
            >> <TelemetryEnabled>0</TelemetryEnabled>
            >> <TelemetryPath></TelemetryPath>
            >> <!--DigiXform-->
            >> </RFPort>
            >> <!--RFPort[0]-->
            >>
            >>
            >> If power is lost while connected, it may stay in KISS mode, If you OPEN and CLOSE the port (or exit and restart APRSIS32 again, it will close and reopen the port properly.
            >> If you have an issue the first time, try
            >> Â Â >Enables >View Logs >Ports(KPC-3)
            >> Â Â >Enables > Port >KPC-3Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â to close the port
            >> then again
            >> Â Â >Enables > Port >KPC-3Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â to re-open the port
            >>
            >> Then check the log - post if needed
            >> Robert Giuliano
            >> KB8RCO
            >>
            >>
            >> ---------------------------------------------
            >>
            >> From: ke6gyd <ke6gyd@...>
            >> To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
            >> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:01 PM
            >> Subject: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
            >>
            >> Â
            >> Below are the settings I've done as per your last suggestion. Still can't get KPC3 (NO PLUS) to work except for one time after editing the xml file to your suggestions. Don't know if I changed anything that one time. Maybe I'm missing something?
            >>
            >> <!--RFPort[0]-->
            >> <RFPort Name="KPC-3">
            >> <Protocol>KISS</Protocol>
            >> <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device>
            >> <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud>
            >> <OpenCmd>^M~1!!0</OpenCmd>
            >> <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
            >> <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
            >> <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
            >> <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
            >> <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
            >> <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd>
            >> <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
            >> <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!!0</CloseCmd>
            >> <CloseCmd>TC 1!TS
            >> 1</CloseCmd>
            >> <CloseCmd>TN 2,0!TN 2,0</CloseCmd>
            >> <QuietTime>0</QuietTime>
            >> <Enabled>0</Enabled>
            >>
            >> Log shows:
            >> Port(KPC-3):2013-08-29T23:59:52.125 KISS:Missing 0, found C0[101]:<C0 82 A0 9E A8>db<E0 96 94>l<88 B0 A4 E2 9C>l<8A B0>@@<E9 03 F0>/235948h3344.52N/11800.58W>261/000!W85!/A=000007 12.5V 38C HDOP00.9 SATS08 <C0>
            >>
            >> Looks like it somehow is not in KISS mode?
            >>
            >> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
            >> Thanks
            >> Bob
            >> KE6GYD
            >>
            >> --- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@> wrote:
            >>> APRSIS32 has commands in the XML file that provide "INSTRUCTIONS" to the TNC when the port is OPENED or CLOSED.
            >>> These commands can be used to tell the KPC-3 to enter KISS MODE when the port is opened,
            >> and to
            >> tell the KPC-3 to return to its standard mode when the port is closed.
            >>>   KEY-> the port is opened when APRSISce/32 requests use of it
            >>>             Application start-up if configured as OPEN on last close
            >>>            Also through the menu system:
            >>>              >Enables >Ports {your KPC3 port name}
            >>>
            >>>  You have to edit the XML file in the directory where you APRSIS32.EXE file is (or linked to if you have a complex setup)
            >>> Mine is setup with:
            >>> <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd>
            >>> <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
            >>> <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
            >>> <OpenCmd>XFLOW
            >> ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
            >>> <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
            >>> <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
            >>> <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd>
            >>>
            >>> <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
            >>> <CloseCmd>^C^C^C!~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd>
            >>>
            >>> The open commands seem like a lot of "extras", but I had soime issues with FLOW and Duplex, so I explicitly set them in the setup.
            >>>
            >>> Give these a try and let us know
            >>>
            >>> Robert Giuliano
            >>> KB8RCO
            >>>
            >>>
            >>> ---------------------------------------------
            >>>
            >>>
            >>> ________________________________
            >>> From: ke6gyd <ke6gyd@>
            >>> To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
            >>> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:35 AM
            >>> Subject:
            >> [aprsisce]
            >> Re: KPC3 configuration
            >>> ÂÂ
            >>>
            >>> I'm leaning toward on demand and would like the TNC to return to normal mode since I use the TNC mostly for EComm use of Packet.
            >>>
            >>> What I don't understand in the text below is how to set that up with my KPC-3 and 3+. I'm not familiar with the terminology stated.
            >>>
            >>> Can APRSIS32 put the TNC in KISS Mode by configuring certain settings or is that set in the TNC? Where can I find the menu's to accomplish this?
            >>>
            >>> BTW, I also have a TinyTrak4 that I've got working just fine in KISS mode with APRSIS32, but I'd like the ability to use the KPC'3 if I don't have the TT4 available.
            >>>
            >>> Thanks
            >>> Bob
            >>> KE6GYD
            >>>
            >>> --- In mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@> wrote:
            >>>> I TOTALLY disagree!
            >>>>
            >>>>
            >>>> I agree that the best mode is KISS, but
            >> whether you CHOOSE to have it continuously in KISS mode (over resets) or CHOOSE to have APRSISce/32 put it in KISS mode on start and set it back to normal (converse) mode after shut down, is COMPLELY up to you.
            >>>> Which you choose will determine what type of port
            >>>>   Continuous Mode - Simple KISS
            >>>>   KISS on demand - set OPENCMD and CLOSECMD commands to ensure the TNC (KPC-3) is in the correct mode.
            >>>>
            >>>> I use the KPC-3, all the time (KB8RCO). Not the Plus . . .
            >>>> ÂÂÂ
            >>>>
            >>>> Robert Giuliano
            >>>> KB8RCO
            >>>>
            >>>>
            >>>> ---------------------------------------------
            >>>>
            >>>> From: Adam Mahnke <kc2ant@>
            >>>> To: "mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com>
            >>>> Sent: Tuesday,
            >> August 27, 2013 10:16 PM
            >>>> Subject: RE: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration
            >>>>
            >>>> ÂÂÂ
            >>>> As I recall, the KPC3 will only work in KISS mode, the trick is locking it into KISS mode across a power reset.
            >>>>
            >>>> http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/tnc-kpc-3
            >>>>
            >>>>
            >>>> Adam
            >>>> KC2ANT
            >>>> To: aprsisce@: ke6gyd@: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 00:10:31 +0000Subject: [aprsisce] KPC3 configurationÂÂÂ
            >>>> I've just installed APRSISCE and it's working on the laptop (Vista 32)and receiving Local APRS sations via the internet. I need to use a KPC 3 AND 3+ so I can see stations received via RF. Does the KPC3 have to be in KISS mode? I also use the KPC3 with Outpost Packet Message Manager using Terminal Mode, so connections are already made to radio, TNC and computer using
            >> a
            >> USB to RS232-adapter. I'm a neophyte at APRS as well as packet but wanting to learn more.ThanksBobKE6GYD
            >
            >
            >
            > ------------------------------------
            >
            > Yahoo! Groups Links
            >
            >
            >
            >
          • Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)
            Read it carefully and completely. It says (just above the example ... Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32 ... Read it
            Message 5 of 29 , Aug 30, 2013
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              Read it carefully and completely.  It says (just above the example you're referencing):

              If you don't specify a Response (no !), "cmd:" is expected

              Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


              On 8/30/2013 9:35 AM, Fred Hillhouse wrote:
              Is there something missing on this page?
               
              In the samples at the bottom, the one for "KISS ON" appears incomplete when compared with the open commands below. Or is "cmd:" always expected so it really doesn't need to be included?
               
              Best regards,
              Fred N7FMH



              From: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Giuliano
              Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 21:31
              To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration

               

              From the log, it is not going into KISS mode.
              The only issue I see is an "EXTRA <ONE>   on your first <OpenCmd>
                and it looks like I had a bad "cmd:" after the reset.

              Here is an EXACT copy of my port for my KPC-3:
              <!--RFPort[0]-->
              <RFPort Name="KPC3">
              <Protocol>KISS</Protocol>
              <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device>
              <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud>
              <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd>
              <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
              <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
              <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!0</OpenCmd>
              <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
              <OpenCmd>INT KISS!!0</OpenCmd>
              <OpenCmd>RESET!!3</OpenCmd>
              <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
              <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd>
              <QuietTime>0</QuietTime>
              <Enabled>1</Enabled>
              <XmitEnabled>1</XmitEnabled>
              <ProvidesNMEA>0</ProvidesNMEA>
              <RFtoISEnabled>1</RFtoISEnabled>
              <IStoRFEnabled>1</IStoRFEnabled>
              <MyCallNot3rd>0</MyCallNot3rd>
              <BeaconingEnabled>1</BeaconingEnabled>
              <BeaconPath>WIDE2-1</BeaconPath>
              <BulletinObjectEnabled>1</BulletinObjectEnabled>
              <DXEnabled>1</DXEnabled>
              <DXPath>RFONLY</DXPath>
              <MessagesEnabled>1</MessagesEnabled>
              <MessagePath></MessagePath>
              <TelemetryEnabled>0</TelemetryEnabled>
              <TelemetryPath></TelemetryPath>
              <!--DigiXform-->
              </RFPort><!--RFPort[0]-->


              If power is lost while connected, it may stay in KISS mode, If you OPEN and CLOSE the port (or exit and restart APRSIS32 again, it will close and reopen the port properly.
              If you have an issue the first time, try
                 >Enables >View Logs >Ports(KPC-3)
                 >Enables > Port >KPC-3            to close the port
              then again
                 >Enables > Port >KPC-3            to re-open the port

              Then check the log - post if needed
              Robert Giuliano
              KB8RCO


              ---------------------------------------------

              From: ke6gyd <ke6gyd@...>
              To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:01 PM
              Subject: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
               
              Below are the settings I've done as per your last suggestion. Still can't get KPC3 (NO PLUS) to work except for one time after editing the xml file to your suggestions. Don't know if I changed anything that one time. Maybe I'm missing something?

              <!--RFPort[0]-->
              <RFPort Name="KPC-3">
              <Protocol>KISS</Protocol>
              <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device>
              <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud>
              <OpenCmd>^M~1!!0</OpenCmd>
              <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
              <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
              <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
              <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
              <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
              <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd>
              <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
              <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!!0</CloseCmd>
              <CloseCmd>TC 1!TS 1</CloseCmd>
              <CloseCmd>TN 2,0!TN 2,0</CloseCmd>
              <QuietTime>0</QuietTime>
              <Enabled>0</Enabled>

              Log shows:
              Port(KPC-3):2013-08-29T23:59:52.125 KISS:Missing 0, found C0[101]:<C0 82 A0 9E A8>db<E0 96 94>l<88 B0 A4 E2 9C>l<8A B0>@@<E9 03 F0>/235948h3344.52N/11800.58W>261/000!W85!/A=000007 12.5V 38C HDOP00.9 SATS08 <C0>

              Looks like it somehow is not in KISS mode?

              Any suggestions would be appreciated.
              Thanks
              Bob
              KE6GYD

              --- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@...> wrote:
              >
              > APRSIS32 has commands in the XML file that provide "INSTRUCTIONS" to the TNC when the port is OPENED or CLOSED.
              > These commands can be used to tell the KPC-3 to enter KISS MODE when the port is opened, and to tell the KPC-3 to return to its standard mode when the port is closed.
              >    KEY-> the port is opened when APRSISce/32 requests use of it
              >              Application start-up if configured as OPEN on last close
              >             Also through the menu system:
              >               >Enables >Ports {your KPC3 port name}
              >
              >  You have to edit the XML file in the directory where you APRSIS32.EXE file is (or linked to if you have a complex setup)
              > Mine is setup with:
              > <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd>
              > <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
              > <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
              > <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
              > <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
              > <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
              > <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd>
              >
              > <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
              > <CloseCmd>^C^C^C!~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd>
              >
              > The open commands seem like a lot of "extras", but I had soime issues with FLOW and Duplex, so I explicitly set them in the setup.
              >
              > Give these a try and let us know
              >
              > Robert Giuliano
              > KB8RCO
              >
              >
              > ---------------------------------------------
              >
              >
              > ________________________________
              > From: ke6gyd <ke6gyd@...>
              > To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:35 AM
              > Subject: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
              >
              >  
              >
              > I'm leaning toward on demand and would like the TNC to return to normal mode since I use the TNC mostly for EComm use of Packet.
              >
              > What I don't understand in the text below is how to set that up with my KPC-3 and 3+. I'm not familiar with the terminology stated.
              >
              > Can APRSIS32 put the TNC in KISS Mode by configuring certain settings or is that set in the TNC? Where can I find the menu's to accomplish this?
              >
              > BTW, I also have a TinyTrak4 that I've got working just fine in KISS mode with APRSIS32, but I'd like the ability to use the KPC'3 if I don't have the TT4 available.
              >
              > Thanks
              > Bob
              > KE6GYD
              >
              > --- In mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@> wrote:
              > >
              > > I TOTALLY disagree!
              > >
              > >
              > > I agree that the best mode is KISS, but whether you CHOOSE to have it continuously in KISS mode (over resets) or CHOOSE to have APRSISce/32 put it in KISS mode on start and set it back to normal (converse) mode after shut down, is COMPLELY up to you.
              > >
              > > Which you choose will determine what type of port
              > >    Continuous Mode - Simple KISS
              > >    KISS on demand - set OPENCMD and CLOSECMD commands to ensure the TNC (KPC-3) is in the correct mode.
              > >
              > > I use the KPC-3, all the time (KB8RCO).  Not the Plus . . .
              > >  
              > >
              > > Robert Giuliano
              > > KB8RCO
              > >
              > >
              > > ---------------------------------------------
              > >
              > > From: Adam Mahnke <kc2ant@>
              > > To: "mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 10:16 PM
              > > Subject: RE: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration
              > >
              > >  
              > > As I recall, the KPC3 will only work in KISS mode, the trick is locking it into KISS mode across a power reset.
              > >
              > > http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/tnc-kpc-3
              > >
              > >
              > > Adam
              > > KC2ANT
              > > To: aprsisce@: ke6gyd@: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 00:10:31 +0000Subject: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration 
              > > I've just installed APRSISCE and it's working on the laptop (Vista 32)and receiving Local APRS sations via the internet. I need to use a KPC 3 AND 3+ so I can see stations received via RF. Does the KPC3 have to be in KISS mode? I also use the KPC3 with Outpost Packet Message Manager using Terminal Mode, so connections are already made to radio, TNC and computer using a USB to RS232-adapter. I'm a neophyte at APRS as well as packet but wanting to learn more.ThanksBobKE6GYD
              > >
              >


            • Pat Ryan KC6VVT
              The apparent issue is the sole use of KISS mode for Kantronics model TNC within APRSIS32, and the difficulty it causes switching back to Terminal mode for use
              Message 6 of 29 , Aug 30, 2013
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                The apparent issue is the sole use of KISS mode for Kantronics model TNC within APRSIS32, and the difficulty it causes switching back to Terminal mode for use by (shudder) other programs.

                While using APRSIS32, I have pretty much abandoned use of Kantronics TNC in favor of the built in TNC for Kenwood products, such as the TH-7/TH-72; TM-D700/710; and the TS-2000. These respond to a terminal mode setup with addressable parameters at the program setup, not any KISS mode.

                It seems to be that the terminal mode of APRSIS32 used with these built in Kenwood products could be extended to the Kantronics series TNC with adding a choice for selection of this terminal mode at the program start, and adapting switchable parameters in the HTML edit file in plain text settings sent to the TNC at startup.

                This would allow users to address terminal mode Kantronics TNC parameters in a set up file run at start up to account for the few differences in parameters under the AX25 protocol.

                The problem with Kantronics in using bulk parameter files with TNC commands, is that some TNC commands will reset the TNC! This will cause missed command lines during the TNC SOFT RESET!

                Therefore a scheme for Terminal Mode and a TNC Command Line editor may be also necessary to address the TNC Parameters directly, as may be done within a sub-routine of the APRS DOS program. This TNC fine tuning should be available to the knowledgeable users, with a separate sub-routine in an as yet unavailable Terminal Mde for APRSIS32!

                Refer to my recent comments about dual port TNC, and it becomes apparent that the solution may be available with just an adaptaion of the Kenwood TNC series of built in TNC terminal mode extended to the Kantronics TNC (in addition to KISS mode).

                For Lynn and other programmers, suggest that it might be a good idea in APRSIS32 setup, to RENAME Kenwood Setup as Terminal Mode, then add sub selection for RADIO BUILT IN TNC, includee choices between manufactures such as Yaesu and Kenwood and its related TNC files (e.g. VX-8(?), FTM-350 and KW TH-7,TH72, TM-D700, TM-D710, TS-2000 )

                Add another choice under Terminal modefor STANDALONE TNC (adding MFJ and Kantronics TNC parameter setups (fir KPC-3, KPC3+,9612, 9612+, Kam, Kam+, other AX-25)

                Again, just some thoughts for Lynn's consideration, leaving KISS mode as a separate choice for current users!

                73 de Pat KC6VVT


                --- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "ke6gyd" <ke6gyd@...> wrote:
                >
                >
                > I'm leaning toward on demand and would like the TNC to return to normal mode since I use the TNC mostly for EComm use of Packet.
                >
                > What I don't understand in the text below is how to set that up with my KPC-3 and 3+. I'm not familiar with the terminology stated.
                >
                > Can APRSIS32 put the TNC in KISS Mode by configuring certain settings or is that set in the TNC? Where can I find the menu's to accomplish this?
                >
                > BTW, I also have a TinyTrak4 that I've got working just fine in KISS mode with APRSIS32, but I'd like the ability to use the KPC'3 if I don't have the TT4 available.
                >
                > Thanks
                > Bob
                > KE6GYD
                >
                > --- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@> wrote:
                > >
                > > I TOTALLY disagree!
                > >
                > >
                > > I agree that the best mode is KISS, but whether you CHOOSE to have it continuously in KISS mode (over resets) or CHOOSE to have APRSISce/32 put it in KISS mode on start and set it back to normal (converse) mode after shut down, is COMPLELY up to you.
                > >
                > > Which you choose will determine what type of port
                > >    Continuous Mode - Simple KISS
                > >    KISS on demand - set OPENCMD and CLOSECMD commands to ensure the TNC (KPC-3) is in the correct mode.
                > >
                > > I use the KPC-3, all the time (KB8RCO).  Not the Plus . . .
                > >  
                > >
                > > Robert Giuliano
                > > KB8RCO
                > >
                > >
                > > ---------------------------------------------
                > >
                > > From: Adam Mahnke <kc2ant@>
                > > To: "aprsisce@yahoogroups.com" <aprsisce@yahoogroups.com>
                > > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 10:16 PM
                > > Subject: RE: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration
                > >
                > >  
                > > As I recall, the KPC3 will only work in KISS mode, the trick is locking it into KISS mode across a power reset.
                > >
                > > http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/tnc-kpc-3
                > >
                > >
                > > Adam
                > > KC2ANT
                > > To: aprsisce@: ke6gyd@: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 00:10:31 +0000Subject: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration 
                > > I've just installed APRSISCE and it's working on the laptop (Vista 32)and receiving Local APRS sations via the internet. I need to use a KPC 3 AND 3+ so I can see stations received via RF. Does the KPC3 have to be in KISS mode? I also use the KPC3 with Outpost Packet Message Manager using Terminal Mode, so connections are already made to radio, TNC and computer using a USB to RS232-adapter. I'm a neophyte at APRS as well as packet but wanting to learn more.ThanksBobKE6GYD
                > >
                >
              • Pat Ryan KC6VVT
                I add that in Bob s KB8RCO desire to make the Kantronics KPC-3 series TNC ready for terminal use by other packet programs, that adding an interface command
                Message 7 of 29 , Aug 30, 2013
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                  I add that in Bob's KB8RCO desire to make the Kantronics KPC-3 series TNC ready for terminal use by other packet programs, that adding an interface command line might be better at APRSIS32 exit, at the end of the triple ctrl C reset group.

                  > > <CloseCmd>INT TERM

                  and add any other TNC setup parameters thereafter, as long as the commands do not cause the TNC to automatically reset - see the Kantronics manual for those annotated commands!

                  73 de Pat KC6VVT



                  --- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)" <kj4erj@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > You can also read about the KPC-3+ on the Wiki at:
                  >
                  > http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/tnc-kpc-3
                  >
                  > The commands may be different for the non-plus version, but the idea is
                  > the same.
                  >
                  > Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32
                  >
                  > On 8/29/2013 12:49 PM, Rob Giuliano wrote:
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > APRSIS32 has commands in the XML file that provide "INSTRUCTIONS" to
                  > > the TNC when the port is OPENED or CLOSED.
                  > > These commands can be used to tell the KPC-3 to enter KISS MODE when
                  > > the port is opened, and to tell the KPC-3 to return to its standard
                  > > mode when the port is closed.
                  > > KEY-> the port is opened when APRSISce/32 requests use of it
                  > > Application start-up if configured as OPEN on last close
                  > > Also through the menu system:
                  > > >Enables >Ports {your KPC3 port name}
                  > > You have to edit the XML file in the directory where you APRSIS32.EXE
                  > > file is (or linked to if you have a complex setup)
                  > > Mine is setup with:
                  > > <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd>
                  > > <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
                  > > <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                  > > <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                  > > <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                  > > <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                  > > <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd>
                  > > <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
                  > > <CloseCmd>^C^C^C!~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd>
                  > > The open commands seem like a lot of "extras", but I had soime issues
                  > > with FLOW and Duplex, so I explicitly set them in the setup.
                  > > Give these a try and let us know
                  > > Robert Giuliano
                  > > KB8RCO
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ---------------------------------------------
                  > >
                  > > *From:* ke6gyd <ke6gyd@...>
                  > > *To:* aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                  > > *Sent:* Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:35 AM
                  > > *Subject:* [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                  > >
                  > > I'm leaning toward on demand and would like the TNC to return to
                  > > normal mode since I use the TNC mostly for EComm use of Packet.
                  > >
                  > > What I don't understand in the text below is how to set that up with
                  > > my KPC-3 and 3+. I'm not familiar with the terminology stated.
                  > >
                  > > Can APRSIS32 put the TNC in KISS Mode by configuring certain settings
                  > > or is that set in the TNC? Where can I find the menu's to accomplish this?
                  > >
                  > > BTW, I also have a TinyTrak4 that I've got working just fine in KISS
                  > > mode with APRSIS32, but I'd like the ability to use the KPC'3 if I
                  > > don't have the TT4 available.
                  > >
                  > > Thanks
                  > > Bob
                  > > KE6GYD
                  > >
                  > > --- In mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@> wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > I TOTALLY disagree!
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > I agree that the best mode is KISS, but whether you CHOOSE to have
                  > > it continuously in KISS mode (over resets) or CHOOSE to have
                  > > APRSISce/32 put it in KISS mode on start and set it back to normal
                  > > (converse) mode after shut down, is COMPLELY up to you.
                  > > >
                  > > > Which you choose will determine what type of port
                  > > > Â Â Continuous Mode - Simple KISS
                  > > > Â Â KISS on demand - set OPENCMD and CLOSECMD commands to ensure
                  > > the TNC (KPC-3) is in the correct mode.
                  > > >
                  > > > I use the KPC-3, all the time (KB8RCO). Not the Plus . . .
                  > > > Â
                  > > >
                  > > > Robert Giuliano
                  > > > KB8RCO
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > ---------------------------------------------
                  > > >
                  > > > From: Adam Mahnke <kc2ant@>
                  > > > To: "mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com"
                  > > <mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 10:16 PM
                  > > > Subject: RE: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration
                  > > >
                  > > > Â
                  > > > As I recall, the KPC3 will only work in KISS mode, the trick is
                  > > locking it into KISS mode across a power reset.
                  > > >
                  > > > http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/tnc-kpc-3
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > Adam
                  > > > KC2ANT
                  > > > To: aprsisce@: ke6gyd@: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 00:10:31
                  > > +0000Subject: [aprsisce] KPC3 configurationÂ
                  > > > I've just installed APRSISCE and it's working on the laptop (Vista
                  > > 32)and receiving Local APRS sations via the internet. I need to use a
                  > > KPC 3 AND 3+ so I can see stations received via RF. Does the KPC3 have
                  > > to be in KISS mode? I also use the KPC3 with Outpost Packet Message
                  > > Manager using Terminal Mode, so connections are already made to radio,
                  > > TNC and computer using a USB to RS232-adapter. I'm a neophyte at APRS
                  > > as well as packet but wanting to learn more.ThanksBobKE6GYD
                  > > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  >
                • Fred Hillhouse
                  Since the KPC in question is going into KISS, apparently the XML is fine. NO changes should be made to any XML at this time!! This now becomes education for me
                  Message 8 of 29 , Aug 30, 2013
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                    Since the KPC in question is going into KISS, apparently the XML is fine. NO changes should be made to any XML at this time!!
                     
                    This now becomes education for me and anyone wishing to follow along.
                     
                    Okay Lynn, that is what I thought but then I saw the "OpenCmd" operations in the XML of interest below. I had never looked at this section in the WIKI since I don't have a TNC set up in this fashion.
                     
                    If I look at this line from below:
                    <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                     
                    I understand this to say:
                    Send command "CD SOFT", and don't look for "cmd:" but look for what is in the field, which just happens to be "cmd:" for up to one second.
                     
                    I think it can be rewritten and produce the same results as:
                    <OpenCmd>CD SOFT</OpenCmd>
                     
                    And one more from the XML:
                    <OpenCmd>RESET!!3</OpenCmd>
                    I understand this to say:
                    Send command "RESET", don't expect any return, wait for 3 seconds, then continue.
                     
                     
                    Best regards,
                     
                    Fred N7FMH
                     
                     

                    From: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)
                    Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 09:55
                    To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration

                     

                    Read it carefully and completely.  It says (just above the example you're referencing):

                    If you don't specify a Response (no !), "cmd:" is expected

                    Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


                    On 8/30/2013 9:35 AM, Fred Hillhouse wrote:
                    Is there something missing on this page?
                     
                    In the samples at the bottom, the one for "KISS ON" appears incomplete when compared with the open commands below. Or is "cmd:" always expected so it really doesn't need to be included?
                     
                    Best regards,
                    Fred N7FMH



                    From: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Giuliano
                    Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 21:31
                    To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration

                     

                    From the log, it is not going into KISS mode.
                    The only issue I see is an "EXTRA <ONE>   on your first <OpenCmd>
                      and it looks like I had a bad "cmd:" after the reset.

                    Here is an EXACT copy of my port for my KPC-3:
                    <!--RFPort[0]-->
                    <RFPort Name="KPC3">
                    <Protocol>KISS</Protocol>
                    <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device>
                    <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud>
                    <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd>
                    <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
                    <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                    <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!0</OpenCmd>
                    <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                    <OpenCmd>INT KISS!!0</OpenCmd>
                    <OpenCmd>RESET!!3</OpenCmd>
                    <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
                    <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd>
                    <QuietTime>0</QuietTime>
                    <Enabled>1</Enabled>
                    <XmitEnabled>1</XmitEnabled>
                    <ProvidesNMEA>0</ProvidesNMEA>
                    <RFtoISEnabled>1</RFtoISEnabled>
                    <IStoRFEnabled>1</IStoRFEnabled>
                    <MyCallNot3rd>0</MyCallNot3rd>
                    <BeaconingEnabled>1</BeaconingEnabled>
                    <BeaconPath>WIDE2-1</BeaconPath>
                    <BulletinObjectEnabled>1</BulletinObjectEnabled>
                    <DXEnabled>1</DXEnabled>
                    <DXPath>RFONLY</DXPath>
                    <MessagesEnabled>1</MessagesEnabled>
                    <MessagePath></MessagePath>
                    <TelemetryEnabled>0</TelemetryEnabled>
                    <TelemetryPath></TelemetryPath>
                    <!--DigiXform-->
                    </RFPort><!--RFPort[0]-->


                    If power is lost while connected, it may stay in KISS mode, If you OPEN and CLOSE the port (or exit and restart APRSIS32 again, it will close and reopen the port properly.
                    If you have an issue the first time, try
                       >Enables >View Logs >Ports(KPC-3)
                       >Enables > Port >KPC-3            to close the port
                    then again
                       >Enables > Port >KPC-3            to re-open the port

                    Then check the log - post if needed
                    Robert Giuliano
                    KB8RCO


                    ---------------------------------------------

                    From: ke6gyd <ke6gyd@...>
                    To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:01 PM
                    Subject: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                     
                    Below are the settings I've done as per your last suggestion. Still can't get KPC3 (NO PLUS) to work except for one time after editing the xml file to your suggestions. Don't know if I changed anything that one time. Maybe I'm missing something?

                    <!--RFPort[0]-->
                    <RFPort Name="KPC-3">
                    <Protocol>KISS</Protocol>
                    <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device>
                    <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud>
                    <OpenCmd>^M~1!!0</OpenCmd>
                    <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
                    <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                    <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                    <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                    <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                    <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd>
                    <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
                    <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!!0</CloseCmd>
                    <CloseCmd>TC 1!TS 1</CloseCmd>
                    <CloseCmd>TN 2,0!TN 2,0</CloseCmd>
                    <QuietTime>0</QuietTime>
                    <Enabled>0</Enabled>

                    Log shows:
                    Port(KPC-3):2013-08-29T23:59:52.125 KISS:Missing 0, found C0[101]:<C0 82 A0 9E A8>db<E0 96 94>l<88 B0 A4 E2 9C>l<8A B0>@@<E9 03 F0>/235948h3344.52N/11800.58W>261/000!W85!/A=000007 12.5V 38C HDOP00.9 SATS08 <C0>

                    Looks like it somehow is not in KISS mode?

                    Any suggestions would be appreciated.
                    Thanks
                    Bob
                    KE6GYD

                    --- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > APRSIS32 has commands in the XML file that provide "INSTRUCTIONS" to the TNC when the port is OPENED or CLOSED.
                    > These commands can be used to tell the KPC-3 to enter KISS MODE when the port is opened, and to tell the KPC-3 to return to its standard mode when the port is closed.
                    >    KEY-> the port is opened when APRSISce/32 requests use of it
                    >              Application start-up if configured as OPEN on last close
                    >             Also through the menu system:
                    >               >Enables >Ports {your KPC3 port name}
                    >
                    >  You have to edit the XML file in the directory where you APRSIS32.EXE file is (or linked to if you have a complex setup)
                    > Mine is setup with:
                    > <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd>
                    > <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
                    > <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                    > <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                    > <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                    > <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                    > <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd>
                    >
                    > <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
                    > <CloseCmd>^C^C^C!~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd>
                    >
                    > The open commands seem like a lot of "extras", but I had soime issues with FLOW and Duplex, so I explicitly set them in the setup.
                    >
                    > Give these a try and let us know
                    >
                    > Robert Giuliano
                    > KB8RCO
                    >
                    >
                    > ---------------------------------------------
                    >
                    >
                    > ________________________________
                    > From: ke6gyd <ke6gyd@...>
                    > To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                    > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:35 AM
                    > Subject: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                    >
                    >  
                    >
                    > I'm leaning toward on demand and would like the TNC to return to normal mode since I use the TNC mostly for EComm use of Packet.
                    >
                    > What I don't understand in the text below is how to set that up with my KPC-3 and 3+. I'm not familiar with the terminology stated.
                    >
                    > Can APRSIS32 put the TNC in KISS Mode by configuring certain settings or is that set in the TNC? Where can I find the menu's to accomplish this?
                    >
                    > BTW, I also have a TinyTrak4 that I've got working just fine in KISS mode with APRSIS32, but I'd like the ability to use the KPC'3 if I don't have the TT4 available.
                    >
                    > Thanks
                    > Bob
                    > KE6GYD
                    >
                    > --- In mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > I TOTALLY disagree!
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > I agree that the best mode is KISS, but whether you CHOOSE to have it continuously in KISS mode (over resets) or CHOOSE to have APRSISce/32 put it in KISS mode on start and set it back to normal (converse) mode after shut down, is COMPLELY up to you.
                    > >
                    > > Which you choose will determine what type of port
                    > >    Continuous Mode - Simple KISS
                    > >    KISS on demand - set OPENCMD and CLOSECMD commands to ensure the TNC (KPC-3) is in the correct mode.
                    > >
                    > > I use the KPC-3, all the time (KB8RCO).  Not the Plus . . .
                    > >  
                    > >
                    > > Robert Giuliano
                    > > KB8RCO
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > ---------------------------------------------
                    > >
                    > > From: Adam Mahnke <kc2ant@>
                    > > To: "mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 10:16 PM
                    > > Subject: RE: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration
                    > >
                    > >  
                    > > As I recall, the KPC3 will only work in KISS mode, the trick is locking it into KISS mode across a power reset.
                    > >
                    > > http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/tnc-kpc-3
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Adam
                    > > KC2ANT
                    > > To: aprsisce@: ke6gyd@: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 00:10:31 +0000Subject: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration 
                    > > I've just installed APRSISCE and it's working on the laptop (Vista 32)and receiving Local APRS sations via the internet. I need to use a KPC 3 AND 3+ so I can see stations received via RF. Does the KPC3 have to be in KISS mode? I also use the KPC3 with Outpost Packet Message Manager using Terminal Mode, so connections are already made to radio, TNC and computer using a USB to RS232-adapter. I'm a neophyte at APRS as well as packet but wanting to learn more.ThanksBobKE6GYD
                    > >
                    >


                  • Pat Ryan KC6VVT
                    Fred AGREED, my simple point is, with Kantronic tnc (KPC-3 and other models) the RESET command means it may go to a simple terminal mode with a limited TNC
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                      Fred

                      AGREED, my simple point is, with Kantronic tnc (KPC-3 and other models) the RESET command means it may go to a simple terminal mode with a limited TNC command set available WHICH MAY NOT BE ENOUGH for other packet programs.

                      If having trouble when exiting APRSIS32 when you attempt to use these other packet programs, consider the addition of the
                      INTF TERM
                      command to make ALL Kantronics TNC commands available to the other packet program!

                      73 de Pat KC6VVT


                      --- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Hillhouse" <fmhillhouse@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Since the KPC in question is going into KISS, apparently the XML is fine. NO
                      > changes should be made to any XML at this time!!
                      >
                      > This now becomes education for me and anyone wishing to follow along.
                      >
                      > Okay Lynn, that is what I thought but then I saw the "OpenCmd" operations in
                      > the XML of interest below. I had never looked at this section in the WIKI
                      > since I don't have a TNC set up in this fashion.
                      >
                      > If I look at this line from below:
                      > <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                      >
                      > I understand this to say:
                      > Send command "CD SOFT", and don't look for "cmd:" but look for what is in
                      > the field, which just happens to be "cmd:" for up to one second.
                      >
                      > I think it can be rewritten and produce the same results as:
                      > <OpenCmd>CD SOFT</OpenCmd>
                      >
                      > And one more from the XML:
                      > <OpenCmd>RESET!!3</OpenCmd>
                      >
                      > I understand this to say:
                      > Send command "RESET", don't expect any return, wait for 3 seconds, then
                      > continue.
                      >
                      >
                      > Best regards,
                      >
                      > Fred N7FMH
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > _____
                      >
                      > From: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                      > Of Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)
                      > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 09:55
                      > To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                      > Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Read it carefully and completely. It says (just above the example you're
                      > referencing):
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > If you don't specify a Response (no !), "cmd:" is expected
                      >
                      >
                      > Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32
                      >
                      >
                      > On 8/30/2013 9:35 AM, Fred Hillhouse wrote:
                      >
                      >
                      > Is there something missing on this page?
                      > http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/doc:openclosecmd
                      >
                      > In the samples at the bottom, the one for "KISS ON" appears incomplete when
                      > compared with the open commands below. Or is "cmd:" always expected so it
                      > really doesn't need to be included?
                      >
                      > Best regards,
                      > Fred N7FMH
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > _____
                      >
                      > From: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                      > Of Rob Giuliano
                      > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 21:31
                      > To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                      > Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > From the log, it is not going into KISS mode.
                      > The only issue I see is an "EXTRA <ONE> on your first <OpenCmd>
                      > and it looks like I had a bad "cmd:" after the reset.
                      >
                      >
                      > Here is an EXACT copy of my port for my KPC-3:
                      >
                      > <!--RFPort[0]-->
                      >
                      > <RFPort Name="KPC3">
                      > <Protocol>KISS</Protocol>
                      > <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device>
                      > <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud>
                      > <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd>
                      > <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
                      > <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                      > <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!0</OpenCmd>
                      > <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                      > <OpenCmd>INT KISS!!0</OpenCmd>
                      > <OpenCmd>RESET!!3</OpenCmd>
                      > <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
                      > <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd>
                      > <QuietTime>0</QuietTime>
                      > <Enabled>1</Enabled>
                      > <XmitEnabled>1</XmitEnabled>
                      > <ProvidesNMEA>0</ProvidesNMEA>
                      > <RFtoISEnabled>1</RFtoISEnabled>
                      > <IStoRFEnabled>1</IStoRFEnabled>
                      > <MyCallNot3rd>0</MyCallNot3rd>
                      > <BeaconingEnabled>1</BeaconingEnabled>
                      > <BeaconPath>WIDE2-1</BeaconPath>
                      > <BulletinObjectEnabled>1</BulletinObjectEnabled>
                      > <DXEnabled>1</DXEnabled>
                      > <DXPath>RFONLY</DXPath>
                      > <MessagesEnabled>1</MessagesEnabled>
                      > <MessagePath></MessagePath>
                      > <TelemetryEnabled>0</TelemetryEnabled>
                      > <TelemetryPath></TelemetryPath>
                      > <!--DigiXform-->
                      > </RFPort><!--RFPort[0]-->
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > If power is lost while connected, it may stay in KISS mode, If you OPEN and
                      > CLOSE the port (or exit and restart APRSIS32 again, it will close and reopen
                      > the port properly.
                      > If you have an issue the first time, try
                      > >Enables >View Logs >Ports(KPC-3)
                      > >Enables > Port >KPC-3 to close the port
                      > then again
                      > >Enables > Port >KPC-3 to re-open the port
                      >
                      > Then check the log - post if needed
                      > Robert Giuliano
                      > KB8RCO
                      >
                      >
                      > ---------------------------------------------
                      >
                      > From: ke6gyd <mailto:ke6gyd@...> <ke6gyd@...>
                      > To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                      > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:01 PM
                      > Subject: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                      >
                      >
                      > Below are the settings I've done as per your last suggestion. Still can't
                      > get KPC3 (NO PLUS) to work except for one time after editing the xml file to
                      > your suggestions. Don't know if I changed anything that one time. Maybe I'm
                      > missing something?
                      >
                      > <!--RFPort[0]-->
                      > <RFPort Name="KPC-3">
                      > <Protocol>KISS</Protocol>
                      > <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device>
                      > <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud>
                      > <OpenCmd>^M~1!!0</OpenCmd>
                      > <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
                      > <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                      > <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                      > <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                      > <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                      > <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd>
                      > <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
                      > <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!!0</CloseCmd>
                      > <CloseCmd>TC 1!TS 1</CloseCmd>
                      > <CloseCmd>TN 2,0!TN 2,0</CloseCmd>
                      > <QuietTime>0</QuietTime>
                      > <Enabled>0</Enabled>
                      >
                      > Log shows:
                      > Port(KPC-3):2013-08-29T23:59:52.125 KISS:Missing 0, found C0[101]:<C0 82 A0
                      > 9E A8>db<E0 96 94>l<88 B0 A4 E2 9C>l<8A B0>@@<E9 03
                      > F0>/235948h3344.52N/11800.58W>261/000!W85!/A=000007 12.5V 38C HDOP00.9
                      > SATS08 <C0>
                      >
                      > Looks like it somehow is not in KISS mode?
                      >
                      > Any suggestions would be appreciated.
                      > Thanks
                      > Bob
                      > KE6GYD
                      >
                      > --- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com> , Rob
                      > Giuliano <mailto:kb8rco@> <kb8rco@> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > APRSIS32 has commands in the XML file that provide "INSTRUCTIONS" to the
                      > TNC when the port is OPENED or CLOSED.
                      > > These commands can be used to tell the KPC-3 to enter KISS MODE when the
                      > port is opened, and to tell the KPC-3 to return to its standard mode when
                      > the port is closed.
                      > > Â Â KEY-> the port is opened when APRSISce/32 requests use of it
                      > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Application start-up if configured as OPEN on
                      > last close
                      > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Also through the menu system:
                      > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â >Enables >Ports {your KPC3 port name}
                      > >
                      > > Â You have to edit the XML file in the directory where you APRSIS32.EXE
                      > file is (or linked to if you have a complex setup)
                      > > Mine is setup with:
                      > > <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd>
                      > > <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
                      > > <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                      > > <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                      > > <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                      > > <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                      > > <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd>
                      > >
                      > > <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
                      > > <CloseCmd>^C^C^C!~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd>
                      > >
                      > > The open commands seem like a lot of "extras", but I had soime issues with
                      > FLOW and Duplex, so I explicitly set them in the setup.
                      > >
                      > > Give these a try and let us know
                      > >
                      > > Robert Giuliano
                      > > KB8RCO
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > ---------------------------------------------
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > ________________________________
                      > > From: ke6gyd <mailto:ke6gyd@> <ke6gyd@>
                      > > To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com <mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:35 AM
                      > > Subject: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                      > >
                      > > Â
                      > >
                      > > I'm leaning toward on demand and would like the TNC to return to normal
                      > mode since I use the TNC mostly for EComm use of Packet.
                      > >
                      > > What I don't understand in the text below is how to set that up with my
                      > KPC-3 and 3+. I'm not familiar with the terminology stated.
                      > >
                      > > Can APRSIS32 put the TNC in KISS Mode by configuring certain settings or
                      > is that set in the TNC? Where can I find the menu's to accomplish this?
                      > >
                      > > BTW, I also have a TinyTrak4 that I've got working just fine in KISS mode
                      > with APRSIS32, but I'd like the ability to use the KPC'3 if I don't have the
                      > TT4 available.
                      > >
                      > > Thanks
                      > > Bob
                      > > KE6GYD
                      > >
                      > > --- In mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@> wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > I TOTALLY disagree!
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > I agree that the best mode is KISS, but whether you CHOOSE to have it
                      > continuously in KISS mode (over resets) or CHOOSE to have APRSISce/32 put it
                      > in KISS mode on start and set it back to normal (converse) mode after shut
                      > down, is COMPLELY up to you.
                      > > >
                      > > > Which you choose will determine what type of port
                      > > >   Continuous Mode - Simple KISS
                      > > >   KISS on demand - set OPENCMD and CLOSECMD commands to ensure
                      > the TNC (KPC-3) is in the correct mode.
                      > > >
                      > > > I use the KPC-3, all the time (KB8RCO). Not the Plus . . .
                      > > > ÂÂ
                      > > >
                      > > > Robert Giuliano
                      > > > KB8RCO
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > ---------------------------------------------
                      > > >
                      > > > From: Adam Mahnke <kc2ant@>
                      > > > To: "mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com"
                      > <mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > <mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 10:16 PM
                      > > > Subject: RE: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration
                      > > >
                      > > > ÂÂ
                      > > > As I recall, the KPC3 will only work in KISS mode, the trick is locking
                      > it into KISS mode across a power reset.
                      > > >
                      > > > http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/tnc-kpc-3
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > Adam
                      > > > KC2ANT
                      > > > To: aprsisce@: ke6gyd@: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 00:10:31 +0000Subject:
                      > [aprsisce] KPC3 configurationÂÂ
                      > > > I've just installed APRSISCE and it's working on the laptop (Vista
                      > 32)and receiving Local APRS sations via the internet. I need to use a KPC 3
                      > AND 3+ so I can see stations received via RF. Does the KPC3 have to be in
                      > KISS mode? I also use the KPC3 with Outpost Packet Message Manager using
                      > Terminal Mode, so connections are already made to radio, TNC and computer
                      > using a USB to RS232-adapter. I'm a neophyte at APRS as well as packet but
                      > wanting to learn more.ThanksBobKE6GYD
                      > > >
                      > >
                      >
                    • Rob Giuliano
                      I can t say I really looked at the packet before. Is this a GPS pass-through?    If it is, this must be the KPC-3+ as my KPC-3 doesn t have the capability of
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                        I can't say I really looked at the packet before.
                        Is this a GPS pass-through?
                           If it is, this must be the KPC-3+ as my KPC-3 doesn't have the capability of 2 serial inputs (GPS and computer).
                         
                         
                        Robert Giuliano
                        KB8RCO


                        ---------------------------------------------

                        From: Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr) <kj4erj@...>
                        To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 9:51 AM
                        Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration

                        Actually, it IS going into KISS mode or you wouldn't be seeing the <C0>
                        stuff. That's the KISS packet wrapper. The issue is that APRSISCE/32 is
                        expecting a command 0 (low nibble) in the first byte of the KISS packet,
                        but your packet has 8E or command 14. I need to look that up, but here's
                        the interpretation of the packet from your log (I assume you get one of
                        these for every packet received?).

                        <C0    - Packet framing character
                        8E    - Type indicator - but this seems to be missing in your packet!
                        8E A0 A6 98 96>@`    - Destination callsign (GPSLK )
                        <AE>l<86 A6 A0>@b    - Source callsign (W6CSP -1)
                        <9C>l<8A B0>@@<E3    - Path component (N6EX  -1) used (high bit) & last component (low bit)
                        03 F0>            - AX.25 protocol and flags (IIRC)
                        $GPGGA,051524,3350.5768,N,11755.8527,W,1,08,1.2,37.2,M,-31.9,M,,*4A    - Packet payload!
                        <0D 0A    - Don't know why he's including the <cr><lf>, but it's in the packet! - See below...
                        C0>    - Packet framing character
                         

                        The byte immediately following the opening <C0> is SUPPOSED to be a
                        command byte whose upper bit (8x) indicates a SMACK packet, the next 3
                        bits are the port number, and the lower nibble (4 bits) is the command
                        which APRSISCE/32 expects to be 0 and is causing the packet to be
                        rejected. However, your packet seems to be missing this byte because the
                        <8E> that was there appears to be the first character (G) of the
                        destination callsign. For the KISS spec, please see
                        http://www.ax25.net/kiss.aspxwhich states at the end of section 4:

                        > The following types are defined in frames to the host:
                        >
                        > Type            Function        Comments
                        >     
                        >    0                Data frame      Rest of frame is data from
                        >                                      the HDLC channel.

                        The destination, source, and path callsigns are bit-shifted ASCII and
                        the -SSIDs are encoded in 4 bits of binary along with some flags (hence
                        the 0-15 limit on AX.25 compatible -SSIDs). This is the AX.25 packet
                        header being carried in the KISS data frame.

                        The packet payload is a raw $GPGGA string that correlates to what
                        aprs.fi shows for W6CSP-1
                        (http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=W6CSP-1&limit=5&view=hex). Interestingly
                        though, the <CR><LF> aren't in those raw packets, but then they weren't
                        digipeated by N6EX-1 either, but received directly by the BOXSPG IGate
                        with the original WIDE2-2 path intact. N6EX-1 seems to have replaced the
                        path with his own used callsign and apparently appended a <CR><LF> to
                        the packet unless that was done by your TNC.

                        Question: if you receive other packets in this trace log, do they all
                        end with <0D 0A C0>? This may be another bust (IMHO) in your TNC's KISS
                        implementation.

                        Bottom line: while this appears to be a KISS packet, it's not a proper
                        KISS packet, at least not for what I've read in the KISS specs.

                        Does anyone else out there have one of these TNCs connected to
                        APRSISCE/32 in KISS mode and what are you seeing in your port's trace
                        log if you enable it?

                        And Bob, if you Enable this trace log, do you see any packets coming
                        through cleanly or are they all complaining about the "Missing 0"?

                        Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

                        On 8/30/2013 1:19 AM, ke6gyd wrote:
                        > Really appreciate your help.  Still not going into KISS mode:
                        >
                        > Port(KPC3):2013-08-30T05:15:29.953 KISS:Missing 0, found C0[94]:<C0 8E A0 A6 98 96>@`<AE>l<86 A6 A0>@b<9C>l<8A B0>@@<E3 03 F0>$GPGGA,051524,3350.5768,N,11755.8527,W,1,08,1.2,37.2,M,-31.9,M,,*4A<0D 0A C0>
                        >
                        > Copied and pasted exactly your settings into the .xml file.
                        >
                        > If any other advice, let me know.  We'll keep trying.
                        > Thanks
                        > Bob
                        > KE6GYD
                        >
                        > --- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@...> wrote:
                        >>  From the log, it is not going into KISS mode.
                        >> The only issue I see is an "EXTRA <ONE>   on your first <OpenCmd>
                        >>   and it looks like I had a bad "cmd:" after the reset.
                        >>
                        >>
                        >> Here is an EXACT copy of my port for my KPC-3:
                        >> <!--RFPort[0]-->
                        >>
                        >> <RFPort Name="KPC3">
                        >> <Protocol>KISS</Protocol>
                        >> <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device>
                        >> <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud>
                        >> <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd>
                        >> <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
                        >> <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                        >> <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!0</OpenCmd>
                        >> <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                        >> <OpenCmd>INT KISS!!0</OpenCmd>
                        >> <OpenCmd>RESET!!3</OpenCmd>
                        >> <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
                        >> <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd>
                        >> <QuietTime>0</QuietTime>
                        >> <Enabled>1</Enabled>
                        >> <XmitEnabled>1</XmitEnabled>
                        >> <ProvidesNMEA>0</ProvidesNMEA>
                        >> <RFtoISEnabled>1</RFtoISEnabled>
                        >> <IStoRFEnabled>1</IStoRFEnabled>
                        >> <MyCallNot3rd>0</MyCallNot3rd>
                        >> <BeaconingEnabled>1</BeaconingEnabled>
                        >> <BeaconPath>WIDE2-1</BeaconPath>
                        >> <BulletinObjectEnabled>1</BulletinObjectEnabled>
                        >> <DXEnabled>1</DXEnabled>
                        >> <DXPath>RFONLY</DXPath>
                        >> <MessagesEnabled>1</MessagesEnabled>
                        >> <MessagePath></MessagePath>
                        >> <TelemetryEnabled>0</TelemetryEnabled>
                        >> <TelemetryPath></TelemetryPath>
                        >> <!--DigiXform-->
                        >> </RFPort>
                        >> <!--RFPort[0]-->
                        >>
                        >>
                        >> If power is lost while connected, it may stay in KISS mode, If you OPEN and CLOSE the port (or exit and restart APRSIS32 again, it will close and reopen the port properly.
                        >> If you have an issue the first time, try
                        >>    >Enables >View Logs >Ports(KPC-3)
                        >>    >Enables > Port >KPC-3            to close the port
                        >> then again
                        >>    >Enables > Port >KPC-3            to re-open the port
                        >>
                        >> Then check the log - post if needed
                        >> Robert Giuliano
                        >> KB8RCO
                        >>
                        >>
                        >> ---------------------------------------------
                        >>
                        >> From: ke6gyd <ke6gyd@...>
                        >> To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                        >> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:01 PM
                        >> Subject: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                        >>
                        >> Â
                        >> Below are the settings I've done as per your last suggestion. Still can't get KPC3 (NO PLUS) to work except for one time after editing the xml file to your suggestions. Don't know if I changed anything that one time. Maybe I'm missing something?
                        >>
                        >> <!--RFPort[0]-->
                        >> <RFPort Name="KPC-3">
                        >> <Protocol>KISS</Protocol>
                        >> <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device>
                        >> <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud>
                        >> <OpenCmd>^M~1!!0</OpenCmd>
                        >> <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
                        >> <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                        >> <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                        >> <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                        >> <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                        >> <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd>
                        >> <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
                        >> <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!!0</CloseCmd>
                        >> <CloseCmd>TC 1!TS
                        >>  1</CloseCmd>
                        >> <CloseCmd>TN 2,0!TN 2,0</CloseCmd>
                        >> <QuietTime>0</QuietTime>
                        >> <Enabled>0</Enabled>
                        >>
                        >> Log shows:
                        >> Port(KPC-3):2013-08-29T23:59:52.125 KISS:Missing 0, found C0[101]:<C0 82 A0 9E A8>db<E0 96 94>l<88 B0 A4 E2 9C>l<8A B0>@@<E9 03 F0>/235948h3344.52N/11800.58W>261/000!W85!/A=000007 12.5V 38C HDOP00.9 SATS08 <C0>
                        >>
                        >> Looks like it somehow is not in KISS mode?
                        >>
                        >> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
                        >> Thanks
                        >> Bob
                        >> KE6GYD
                        >>
                        >> --- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@> wrote:
                        >>> APRSIS32 has commands in the XML file that provide "INSTRUCTIONS" to the TNC when the port is OPENED or CLOSED.
                        >>> These commands can be used to tell the KPC-3 to enter KISS MODE when the port is opened,
                        >>  and to
                        >>  tell the KPC-3 to return to its standard mode when the port is closed.
                        >>>    KEY-> the port is opened when APRSISce/32 requests use of it
                        >>>              Application start-up if configured as OPEN on last close
                        >>>             Also through the menu system:
                        >>>               >Enables >Ports {your KPC3 port name}
                        >>>
                        >>>  You have to edit the XML file in the directory where you APRSIS32.EXE file is (or linked to if you have a complex setup)
                        >>> Mine is setup with:
                        >>> <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd>
                        >>> <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
                        >>> <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                        >>> <OpenCmd>XFLOW
                        >>  ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                        >>> <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                        >>> <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                        >>> <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd>
                        >>>
                        >>> <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
                        >>> <CloseCmd>^C^C^C!~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd>
                        >>>
                        >>> The open commands seem like a lot of "extras", but I had soime issues with FLOW and Duplex, so I explicitly set them in the setup.
                        >>>
                        >>> Give these a try and let us know
                        >>>
                        >>> Robert Giuliano
                        >>> KB8RCO
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> ---------------------------------------------
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> ________________________________
                        >>> From: ke6gyd <ke6gyd@>
                        >>> To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                        >>> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:35 AM
                        >>> Subject:
                        >>  [aprsisce]
                        >>  Re: KPC3 configuration
                        >>> ÂÂ
                        >>>
                        >>> I'm leaning toward on demand and would like the TNC to return to normal mode since I use the TNC mostly for EComm use of Packet.
                        >>>
                        >>> What I don't understand in the text below is how to set that up with my KPC-3 and 3+. I'm not familiar with the terminology stated.
                        >>>
                        >>> Can APRSIS32 put the TNC in KISS Mode by configuring certain settings or is that set in the TNC? Where can I find the menu's to accomplish this?
                        >>>
                        >>> BTW, I also have a TinyTrak4 that I've got working just fine in KISS mode with APRSIS32, but I'd like the ability to use the KPC'3 if I don't have the TT4 available.
                        >>>
                        >>> Thanks
                        >>> Bob
                        >>> KE6GYD
                        >>>
                        >>> --- In mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@> wrote:
                        >>>> I TOTALLY disagree!
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>> I agree that the best mode is KISS, but
                        >>  whether you CHOOSE to have it continuously in KISS mode (over resets) or CHOOSE to have APRSISce/32 put it in KISS mode on start and set it back to normal (converse) mode after shut down, is COMPLELY up to you.
                        >>>> Which you choose will determine what type of port
                        >>>>    Continuous Mode - Simple KISS
                        >>>>    KISS on demand - set OPENCMD and CLOSECMD commands to ensure the TNC (KPC-3) is in the correct mode.
                        >>>>
                        >>>> I use the KPC-3, all the time (KB8RCO).  Not the Plus . . .
                        >>>> ÂÂÂ
                        >>>>
                        >>>> Robert Giuliano
                        >>>> KB8RCO
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>> ---------------------------------------------
                        >>>>
                        >>>> From: Adam Mahnke <kc2ant@>
                        >>>> To: "mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com>
                        >>>> Sent: Tuesday,
                        >>  August 27, 2013 10:16 PM
                        >>>> Subject: RE: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration
                        >>>>
                        >>>> ÂÂÂ
                        >>>> As I recall, the KPC3 will only work in KISS mode, the trick is locking it into KISS mode across a power reset.
                        >>>>
                        >>>> http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/tnc-kpc-3
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>> Adam
                        >>>> KC2ANT
                        >>>> To: aprsisce@: ke6gyd@: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 00:10:31 +0000Subject: [aprsisce] KPC3 configurationÂÂÂ
                        >>>> I've just installed APRSISCE and it's working on the laptop (Vista 32)and receiving Local APRS sations via the internet. I need to use a KPC 3 AND 3+ so I can see stations received via RF. Does the KPC3 have to be in KISS mode? I also use the KPC3 with Outpost Packet Message Manager using Terminal Mode, so connections are already made to radio, TNC and computer using
                        >>  a
                        >>  USB to RS232-adapter. I'm a neophyte at APRS as well as packet but wanting to learn more.ThanksBobKE6GYD
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                      • Rob Giuliano
                        IMHO, the TNC setup for the other packet programs should take care of their own setup. The exit commands are a HARD RESET, and drop you into a cmd: prompt
                        Message 11 of 29 , Aug 30, 2013
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                          IMHO, the TNC setup for the "other packet programs" should take care of their own setup.
                          The exit commands are a HARD RESET, and drop you into a cmd: prompt just as if you turned on the TNC.
                           
                          With OpenCmd and/or CloseCmd, you can vary the time parameter at the end if the unit resets.
                          On my unit, it is typically less than 2 seconds, but sometimes more - I use 3.
                           
                               <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd>
                           
                              <CloseCmd>^C^C^C!~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd>
                           
                          Robert Giuliano
                          KB8RCO


                          ---------------------------------------------

                          From: Pat Ryan KC6VVT <kc6vvt@...>
                          To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 10:33 AM
                          Subject: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration at exit of APRSIS32 progam
                           
                          I add that in Bob's KB8RCO desire to make the Kantronics KPC-3 series TNC ready for terminal use by other packet programs, that adding an interface command line might be better at APRSIS32 exit, at the end of the triple ctrl C reset group.

                          > > <CloseCmd>INT TERM

                          and add any other TNC setup parameters thereafter, as long as the commands do not cause the TNC to automatically reset - see the Kantronics manual for those annotated commands!

                          73 de Pat KC6VVT

                          --- In mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)" <kj4erj@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > You can also read about the KPC-3+ on the Wiki at:
                          >
                          > http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/tnc-kpc-3
                          >
                          > The commands may be different for the non-plus version, but the idea is
                          > the same.
                          >
                          > Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32
                          >
                          > On 8/29/2013 12:49 PM, Rob Giuliano wrote:
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > APRSIS32 has commands in the XML file that provide "INSTRUCTIONS" to
                          > > the TNC when the port is OPENED or CLOSED.
                          > > These commands can be used to tell the KPC-3 to enter KISS MODE when
                          > > the port is opened, and to tell the KPC-3 to return to its standard
                          > > mode when the port is closed.
                          > > KEY-> the port is opened when APRSISce/32 requests use of it
                          > > Application start-up if configured as OPEN on last close
                          > > Also through the menu system:
                          > > >Enables >Ports {your KPC3 port name}
                          > > You have to edit the XML file in the directory where you APRSIS32.EXE
                          > > file is (or linked to if you have a complex setup)
                          > > Mine is setup with:
                          > > <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd>
                          > > <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
                          > > <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                          > > <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                          > > <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                          > > <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                          > > <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd>
                          > > <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
                          > > <CloseCmd>^C^C^C!~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd>
                          > > The open commands seem like a lot of "extras", but I had soime issues
                          > > with FLOW and Duplex, so I explicitly set them in the setup.
                          > > Give these a try and let us know
                          > > Robert Giuliano
                          > > KB8RCO
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > ---------------------------------------------
                          > >
                          > > *From:* ke6gyd <ke6gyd@...>
                          > > *To:* mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com
                          > > *Sent:* Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:35 AM
                          > > *Subject:* [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                          > >
                          > > I'm leaning toward on demand and would like the TNC to return to
                          > > normal mode since I use the TNC mostly for EComm use of Packet.
                          > >
                          > > What I don't understand in the text below is how to set that up with
                          > > my KPC-3 and 3+. I'm not familiar with the terminology stated.
                          > >
                          > > Can APRSIS32 put the TNC in KISS Mode by configuring certain settings
                          > > or is that set in the TNC? Where can I find the menu's to accomplish this?
                          > >
                          > > BTW, I also have a TinyTrak4 that I've got working just fine in KISS
                          > > mode with APRSIS32, but I'd like the ability to use the KPC'3 if I
                          > > don't have the TT4 available.
                          > >
                          > > Thanks
                          > > Bob
                          > > KE6GYD
                          > >
                          > > --- In mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@> wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > I TOTALLY disagree!
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > I agree that the best mode is KISS, but whether you CHOOSE to have
                          > > it continuously in KISS mode (over resets) or CHOOSE to have
                          > > APRSISce/32 put it in KISS mode on start and set it back to normal
                          > > (converse) mode after shut down, is COMPLELY up to you.
                          > > >
                          > > > Which you choose will determine what type of port
                          > > > Â Â Continuous Mode - Simple KISS
                          > > > Â Â KISS on demand - set OPENCMD and CLOSECMD commands to ensure
                          > > the TNC (KPC-3) is in the correct mode.
                          > > >
                          > > > I use the KPC-3, all the time (KB8RCO). Not the Plus . . .
                          > > > Â
                          > > >
                          > > > Robert Giuliano
                          > > > KB8RCO
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > ---------------------------------------------
                          > > >
                          > > > From: Adam Mahnke <kc2ant@>
                          > > > To: "mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com"
                          > > <mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 10:16 PM
                          > > > Subject: RE: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration
                          > > >
                          > > > Â
                          > > > As I recall, the KPC3 will only work in KISS mode, the trick is
                          > > locking it into KISS mode across a power reset.
                          > > >
                          > > > http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/tnc-kpc-3
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Adam
                          > > > KC2ANT
                          > > > To: aprsisce@: ke6gyd@: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 00:10:31
                          > > +0000Subject: [aprsisce] KPC3 configurationÂ
                          > > > I've just installed APRSISCE and it's working on the laptop (Vista
                          > > 32)and receiving Local APRS sations via the internet. I need to use a
                          > > KPC 3 AND 3+ so I can see stations received via RF. Does the KPC3 have
                          > > to be in KISS mode? I also use the KPC3 with Outpost Packet Message
                          > > Manager using Terminal Mode, so connections are already made to radio,
                          > > TNC and computer using a USB to RS232-adapter. I'm a neophyte at APRS
                          > > as well as packet but wanting to learn more.ThanksBobKE6GYD
                          > > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          >

                        • Rob Giuliano
                          I believe a command like CD SOFT!cmd:!1   means -    Send command CD SOFT    YES - Look for response from TNC of cmd: for 1 seond
                          Message 12 of 29 , Aug 30, 2013
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                            I believe a command like
                            <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                             
                            means ->
                               Send command "CD SOFT"
                               YES - Look for response from TNC of "cmd:" for 1 seond
                             
                            What "field" are you talking about?  "...but look for what is in the field ..."
                            The "FIELD" between two "!" is "cmd:" -> that's what to look for.
                             
                            The cmd: is what the KPC-3 sends when in "command mode".
                               If it arrives immediately, APRSIS32 will go to the next step.
                               If it doesn't arrive in "1" second, APRSIS32 will go to the next step.
                             
                            That is how I understand it, and it seems to be how APRSIS32 is interfacing with my KPC-3.
                             
                            I can't get at my KPC-3 right now, but will change it to:
                              
                               <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!Fred!10</OpenCmd>
                            to see if it waits 10 seconds before trying the enxt command. 
                               (You REALLY are FAMOUS if my KPC-3 actually responds to your name - hihi)
                             
                            Robert Giuliano
                            KB8RCO


                            ---------------------------------------------

                            From: Fred Hillhouse <fmhillhouse@...>
                            To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 10:35 AM
                            Subject: RE: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                             
                            Since the KPC in question is going into KISS, apparently the XML is fine. NO changes should be made to any XML at this time!!
                             
                            This now becomes education for me and anyone wishing to follow along.
                             
                            Okay Lynn, that is what I thought but then I saw the "OpenCmd" operations in the XML of interest below. I had never looked at this section in the WIKI since I don't have a TNC set up in this fashion.
                             
                            If I look at this line from below:
                            <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                             
                            I understand this to say:
                            Send command "CD SOFT", and don't look for "cmd:" but look for what is in the field, which just happens to be "cmd:" for up to one second.
                             
                            I think it can be rewritten and produce the same results as:
                            <OpenCmd>CD SOFT</OpenCmd>
                             
                            And one more from the XML:
                            <OpenCmd>RESET!!3</OpenCmd>
                            I understand this to say:
                            Send command "RESET", don't expect any return, wait for 3 seconds, then continue.
                             
                             
                            Best regards,
                             
                            Fred N7FMH
                             
                             
                            From: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)
                            Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 09:55
                            To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                             
                            Read it carefully and completely.  It says (just above the example you're referencing):
                            If you don't specify a Response (no !), "cmd:" is expected
                            Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32 On 8/30/2013 9:35 AM, Fred Hillhouse wrote:
                            Is there something missing on this page?
                             
                            In the samples at the bottom, the one for "KISS ON" appears incomplete when compared with the open commands below. Or is "cmd:" always expected so it really doesn't need to be included?
                             
                            Best regards,
                            Fred N7FMH


                            From: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Giuliano
                            Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 21:31
                            To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                             
                            From the log, it is not going into KISS mode.
                            The only issue I see is an "EXTRA <ONE>   on your first <OpenCmd>
                              and it looks like I had a bad "cmd:" after the reset.
                            Here is an EXACT copy of my port for my KPC-3:
                            <!--RFPort[0]-->
                            <RFPort Name="KPC3">
                            <Protocol>KISS</Protocol>
                            <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device>
                            <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud>
                            <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd>
                            <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
                            <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                            <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!0</OpenCmd>
                            <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                            <OpenCmd>INT KISS!!0</OpenCmd>
                            <OpenCmd>RESET!!3</OpenCmd>
                            <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
                            <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd>
                            <QuietTime>0</QuietTime>
                            <Enabled>1</Enabled>
                            <XmitEnabled>1</XmitEnabled>
                            <ProvidesNMEA>0</ProvidesNMEA>
                            <RFtoISEnabled>1</RFtoISEnabled>
                            <IStoRFEnabled>1</IStoRFEnabled>
                            <MyCallNot3rd>0</MyCallNot3rd>
                            <BeaconingEnabled>1</BeaconingEnabled>
                            <BeaconPath>WIDE2-1</BeaconPath>
                            <BulletinObjectEnabled>1</BulletinObjectEnabled>
                            <DXEnabled>1</DXEnabled>
                            <DXPath>RFONLY</DXPath>
                            <MessagesEnabled>1</MessagesEnabled>
                            <MessagePath></MessagePath>
                            <TelemetryEnabled>0</TelemetryEnabled>
                            <TelemetryPath></TelemetryPath>
                            <!--DigiXform-->
                            </RFPort><!--RFPort[0]-->

                            If power is lost while connected, it may stay in KISS mode, If you OPEN and CLOSE the port (or exit and restart APRSIS32 again, it will close and reopen the port properly. If you have an issue the first time, try    >Enables >View Logs >Ports(KPC-3)    >Enables > Port >KPC-3            to close the port then again    >Enables > Port >KPC-3            to re-open the port Then check the log - post if needed Robert Giuliano KB8RCO

                            ---------------------------------------------

                            From: ke6gyd mailto:ke6gyd@...
                            To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:01 PM
                            Subject: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                             
                            Below are the settings I've done as per your last suggestion. Still can't get KPC3 (NO PLUS) to work except for one time after editing the xml file to your suggestions. Don't know if I changed anything that one time. Maybe I'm missing something? <!--RFPort[0]--> <RFPort Name="KPC-3"> <Protocol>KISS</Protocol> <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device> <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud> <OpenCmd>^M~1!!0</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd> <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd> <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!!0</CloseCmd> <CloseCmd>TC 1!TS 1</CloseCmd> <CloseCmd>TN 2,0!TN 2,0</CloseCmd> <QuietTime>0</QuietTime> <Enabled>0</Enabled> Log shows: Port(KPC-3):2013-08-29T23:59:52.125 KISS:Missing 0, found C0[101]:<C0 82 A0 9E A8>db<E0 96 94>l<88 B0 A4 E2 9C>l<8A B0>@@<E9 03 F0>/235948h3344.52N/11800.58W>261/000!W85!/A=000007 12.5V 38C HDOP00.9 SATS08 <C0> Looks like it somehow is not in KISS mode? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks Bob KE6GYD --- In mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano mailto:kb8rco@... wrote: > > APRSIS32 has commands in the XML file that provide "INSTRUCTIONS" to the TNC when the port is OPENED or CLOSED. > These commands can be used to tell the KPC-3 to enter KISS MODE when the port is opened, and to tell the KPC-3 to return to its standard mode when the port is closed. >    KEY-> the port is opened when APRSISce/32 requests use of it >              Application start-up if configured as OPEN on last close >             Also through the menu system: >               >Enables >Ports {your KPC3 port name} > >  You have to edit the XML file in the directory where you APRSIS32.EXE file is (or linked to if you have a complex setup) > Mine is setup with: > <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd> > > <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd> > <CloseCmd>^C^C^C!~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd> > > The open commands seem like a lot of "extras", but I had soime issues with FLOW and Duplex, so I explicitly set them in the setup. > > Give these a try and let us know > > Robert Giuliano > KB8RCO > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > ________________________________ > From: ke6gyd mailto:ke6gyd@... > To: mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:35 AM > Subject: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration > >   > > I'm leaning toward on demand and would like the TNC to return to normal mode since I use the TNC mostly for EComm use of Packet. > > What I don't understand in the text below is how to set that up with my KPC-3 and 3+. I'm not familiar with the terminology stated. > > Can APRSIS32 put the TNC in KISS Mode by configuring certain settings or is that set in the TNC? Where can I find the menu's to accomplish this? > > BTW, I also have a TinyTrak4 that I've got working just fine in KISS mode with APRSIS32, but I'd like the ability to use the KPC'3 if I don't have the TT4 available. > > Thanks > Bob > KE6GYD > > --- In mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@> wrote: > > > > I TOTALLY disagree! > > > > > > I agree that the best mode is KISS, but whether you CHOOSE to have it continuously in KISS mode (over resets) or CHOOSE to have APRSISce/32 put it in KISS mode on start and set it back to normal (converse) mode after shut down, is COMPLELY up to you. > > > > Which you choose will determine what type of port > >    Continuous Mode - Simple KISS > >    KISS on demand - set OPENCMD and CLOSECMD commands to ensure the TNC (KPC-3) is in the correct mode. > > > > I use the KPC-3, all the time (KB8RCO).  Not the Plus . . . > >   > > > > Robert Giuliano > > KB8RCO > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > From: Adam Mahnke <kc2ant@> > > To: "mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 10:16 PM > > Subject: RE: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration > > > >   > > As I recall, the KPC3 will only work in KISS mode, the trick is locking it into KISS mode across a power reset. > > > > http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/tnc-kpc-3 > > > > > > Adam > > KC2ANT > > To: aprsisce@: ke6gyd@: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 00:10:31 +0000Subject: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration  > > I've just installed APRSISCE and it's working on the laptop (Vista 32)and receiving Local APRS sations via the internet. I need to use a KPC 3 AND 3+ so I can see stations received via RF. Does the KPC3 have to be in KISS mode? I also use the KPC3 with Outpost Packet Message Manager using Terminal Mode, so connections are already made to radio, TNC and computer using a USB to RS232-adapter. I'm a neophyte at APRS as well as packet but wanting to learn more.ThanksBobKE6GYD > > >
                          • Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)
                            You are correct in all of your statements. Fred, I believe, was referring to something like: CD SOFT which is the same as your example
                            Message 13 of 29 , Aug 30, 2013
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                              You are correct in all of your statements.  Fred, I believe, was referring to something like:

                              <OpenCmd>CD SOFT</OpenCmd>

                              which is the same as your example because the default string to wait for is "cmd:" and the default wait time is 1 second.

                              Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

                              On 8/30/2013 12:59 PM, Rob Giuliano wrote:
                              I believe a command like
                              <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                               
                              means ->
                                 Send command "CD SOFT"
                                 YES - Look for response from TNC of "cmd:" for 1 seond
                               
                              What "field" are you talking about?  "...but look for what is in the field ..."
                              The "FIELD" between two "!" is "cmd:" -> that's what to look for.
                               
                              The cmd: is what the KPC-3 sends when in "command mode".
                                 If it arrives immediately, APRSIS32 will go to the next step.
                                 If it doesn't arrive in "1" second, APRSIS32 will go to the next step.
                               
                              That is how I understand it, and it seems to be how APRSIS32 is interfacing with my KPC-3.
                               
                              I can't get at my KPC-3 right now, but will change it to:
                                
                                 <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!Fred!10</OpenCmd>
                              to see if it waits 10 seconds before trying the enxt command. 
                                 (You REALLY are FAMOUS if my KPC-3 actually responds to your name - hihi)
                               
                              Robert Giuliano
                              KB8RCO


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                              From: Fred Hillhouse <fmhillhouse@...>
                              To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 10:35 AM
                              Subject: RE: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                               
                              Since the KPC in question is going into KISS, apparently the XML is fine. NO changes should be made to any XML at this time!!
                               
                              This now becomes education for me and anyone wishing to follow along.
                               
                              Okay Lynn, that is what I thought but then I saw the "OpenCmd" operations in the XML of interest below. I had never looked at this section in the WIKI since I don't have a TNC set up in this fashion.
                               
                              If I look at this line from below:
                              <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                               
                              I understand this to say:
                              Send command "CD SOFT", and don't look for "cmd:" but look for what is in the field, which just happens to be "cmd:" for up to one second.
                               
                              I think it can be rewritten and produce the same results as:
                              <OpenCmd>CD SOFT</OpenCmd>
                               
                              And one more from the XML:
                              <OpenCmd>RESET!!3</OpenCmd>
                              I understand this to say:
                              Send command "RESET", don't expect any return, wait for 3 seconds, then continue.
                               
                               
                              Best regards,
                               
                              Fred N7FMH
                               
                               
                              From: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)
                              Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 09:55
                              To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                               
                              Read it carefully and completely.  It says (just above the example you're referencing):
                              If you don't specify a Response (no !), "cmd:" is expected
                              Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32 On 8/30/2013 9:35 AM, Fred Hillhouse wrote:
                              Is there something missing on this page?
                               
                              In the samples at the bottom, the one for "KISS ON" appears incomplete when compared with the open commands below. Or is "cmd:" always expected so it really doesn't need to be included?
                               
                              Best regards,
                              Fred N7FMH


                              From: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Giuliano
                              Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 21:31
                              To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                               
                              From the log, it is not going into KISS mode.
                              The only issue I see is an "EXTRA <ONE>   on your first <OpenCmd>
                                and it looks like I had a bad "cmd:" after the reset.
                              Here is an EXACT copy of my port for my KPC-3:
                              <!--RFPort[0]-->
                              <RFPort Name="KPC3">
                              <Protocol>KISS</Protocol>
                              <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device>
                              <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud>
                              <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd>
                              <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
                              <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                              <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!0</OpenCmd>
                              <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                              <OpenCmd>INT KISS!!0</OpenCmd>
                              <OpenCmd>RESET!!3</OpenCmd>
                              <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
                              <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd>
                              <QuietTime>0</QuietTime>
                              <Enabled>1</Enabled>
                              <XmitEnabled>1</XmitEnabled>
                              <ProvidesNMEA>0</ProvidesNMEA>
                              <RFtoISEnabled>1</RFtoISEnabled>
                              <IStoRFEnabled>1</IStoRFEnabled>
                              <MyCallNot3rd>0</MyCallNot3rd>
                              <BeaconingEnabled>1</BeaconingEnabled>
                              <BeaconPath>WIDE2-1</BeaconPath>
                              <BulletinObjectEnabled>1</BulletinObjectEnabled>
                              <DXEnabled>1</DXEnabled>
                              <DXPath>RFONLY</DXPath>
                              <MessagesEnabled>1</MessagesEnabled>
                              <MessagePath></MessagePath>
                              <TelemetryEnabled>0</TelemetryEnabled>
                              <TelemetryPath></TelemetryPath>
                              <!--DigiXform-->
                              </RFPort><!--RFPort[0]-->

                              If power is lost while connected, it may stay in KISS mode, If you OPEN and CLOSE the port (or exit and restart APRSIS32 again, it will close and reopen the port properly. If you have an issue the first time, try    >Enables >View Logs >Ports(KPC-3)    >Enables > Port >KPC-3            to close the port then again    >Enables > Port >KPC-3            to re-open the port Then check the log - post if needed Robert Giuliano KB8RCO

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                              From: ke6gyd mailto:ke6gyd@...
                              To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:01 PM
                              Subject: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                               
                              Below are the settings I've done as per your last suggestion. Still can't get KPC3 (NO PLUS) to work except for one time after editing the xml file to your suggestions. Don't know if I changed anything that one time. Maybe I'm missing something? <!--RFPort[0]--> <RFPort Name="KPC-3"> <Protocol>KISS</Protocol> <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device> <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud> <OpenCmd>^M~1!!0</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd> <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd> <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!!0</CloseCmd> <CloseCmd>TC 1!TS 1</CloseCmd> <CloseCmd>TN 2,0!TN 2,0</CloseCmd> <QuietTime>0</QuietTime> <Enabled>0</Enabled> Log shows: Port(KPC-3):2013-08-29T23:59:52.125 KISS:Missing 0, found C0[101]:<C0 82 A0 9E A8>db<E0 96 94>l<88 B0 A4 E2 9C>l<8A B0>@@<E9 03 F0>/235948h3344.52N/11800.58W>261/000!W85!/A=000007 12.5V 38C HDOP00.9 SATS08 <C0> Looks like it somehow is not in KISS mode? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks Bob KE6GYD --- In mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano mailto:kb8rco@... wrote: > > APRSIS32 has commands in the XML file that provide "INSTRUCTIONS" to the TNC when the port is OPENED or CLOSED. > These commands can be used to tell the KPC-3 to enter KISS MODE when the port is opened, and to tell the KPC-3 to return to its standard mode when the port is closed. >    KEY-> the port is opened when APRSISce/32 requests use of it >              Application start-up if configured as OPEN on last close >             Also through the menu system: >               >Enables >Ports {your KPC3 port name} > >  You have to edit the XML file in the directory where you APRSIS32.EXE file is (or linked to if you have a complex setup) > Mine is setup with: > <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd> > > <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd> > <CloseCmd>^C^C^C!~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd> > > The open commands seem like a lot of "extras", but I had soime issues with FLOW and Duplex, so I explicitly set them in the setup. > > Give these a try and let us know > > Robert Giuliano >KB8RCO > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > ________________________________ > From: ke6gyd mailto:ke6gyd@... > To: mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:35 AM > Subject: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration > >   > > I'm leaning toward on demand and would like the TNC to return to normal mode since I use the TNC mostly for EComm use of Packet. > > What I don't understand in the text below is how to set that up with my KPC-3 and 3+. I'm not familiar with the terminology stated. > > Can APRSIS32 put the TNC in KISS Mode by configuring certain settings or is that set in the TNC? Where can I find the menu's to accomplish this? > > BTW, I also have a TinyTrak4 that I've got working just fine in KISS mode with APRSIS32, but I'd like the ability to use the KPC'3 if I don't have the TT4 available. > > Thanks > Bob > KE6GYD > > --- In mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@> wrote: > > > > I TOTALLY disagree! > > > > > > I agree that the best mode is KISS, but whether you CHOOSE to have it continuously in KISS mode (over resets) or CHOOSE to have APRSISce/32 put it in KISS mode on start and set it back to normal (converse) mode after shut down, is COMPLELY up to you. > > > > Which you choose will determine what type of port > >    Continuous Mode - Simple KISS > >    KISS on demand - set OPENCMD and CLOSECMD commands to ensure the TNC (KPC-3) is in the correct mode. > > > > I use the KPC-3, all the time (KB8RCO).  Not the Plus . . . > >   > > > > Robert Giuliano > > KB8RCO > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > From: Adam Mahnke <kc2ant@> > > To: "mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 10:16 PM > > Subject: RE: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration > > > >   > > As I recall, the KPC3 will only work in KISS mode, the trick is locking it into KISS mode across a power reset. > > > > http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/tnc-kpc-3 > > > > > > Adam > > KC2ANT > > To: aprsisce@: ke6gyd@: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 00:10:31 +0000Subject: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration  > > I've just installed APRSISCE and it's working on the laptop (Vista 32)and receiving Local APRS sations via the internet. I need to use a KPC 3 AND 3+ so I can see stations received via RF. Does the KPC3 have to be in KISS mode? I also use the KPC3 with Outpost Packet Message Manager using Terminal Mode, so connections are already made to radio, TNC and computer using a USB to RS232-adapter. I'm a neophyte at APRS as well as packet but wanting to learn more.ThanksBobKE6GYD > > >

                            • Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)
                              This was NOT a GPS pass-through, it just happened to be a raw GPS sentence formatted as an APRS packet from W6CSP-1. Check his raw packets at
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                                This was NOT a GPS pass-through, it just happened to be a raw GPS sentence formatted as an APRS packet from W6CSP-1.  Check his raw packets at http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=W6CSP-1&limit=5&view=hex and you'll see that the NMEA is just the APRS payload, not from any GPS connected to the KPC.

                                It's just that the KISS wrapper of that received AX.25 packet is missing the first byte after the <C0> which says that it's a data packet from the TNC to the PC.  And APRSISCE/32 therefore rejects the packet because if the data type isn't there, then what is the remainder of the packet?

                                Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

                                On 8/30/2013 12:36 PM, Rob Giuliano wrote:
                                I can't say I really looked at the packet before.
                                Is this a GPS pass-through?
                                   If it is, this must be the KPC-3+ as my KPC-3 doesn't have the capability of 2 serial inputs (GPS and computer).
                                 
                                 
                                Robert Giuliano
                                KB8RCO


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                                From: Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr) <kj4erj@...>
                                To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 9:51 AM
                                Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration

                                Actually, it IS going into KISS mode or you wouldn't be seeing the <C0>
                                stuff. That's the KISS packet wrapper. The issue is that APRSISCE/32 is
                                expecting a command 0 (low nibble) in the first byte of the KISS packet,
                                but your packet has 8E or command 14. I need to look that up, but here's
                                the interpretation of the packet from your log (I assume you get one of
                                these for every packet received?).

                                <C0    - Packet framing character
                                8E    - Type indicator - but this seems to be missing in your packet!
                                8E A0 A6 98 96>@`    - Destination callsign (GPSLK )
                                <AE>l<86 A6 A0>@b    - Source callsign (W6CSP -1)
                                <9C>l<8A B0>@@<E3    - Path component (N6EX  -1) used (high bit) & last component (low bit)
                                03 F0>            - AX.25 protocol and flags (IIRC)
                                $GPGGA,051524,3350.5768,N,11755.8527,W,1,08,1.2,37.2,M,-31.9,M,,*4A    - Packet payload!
                                <0D 0A    - Don't know why he's including the <cr><lf>, but it's in the packet! - See below...
                                C0>    - Packet framing character
                                 

                                The byte immediately following the opening <C0> is SUPPOSED to be a
                                command byte whose upper bit (8x) indicates a SMACK packet, the next 3
                                bits are the port number, and the lower nibble (4 bits) is the command
                                which APRSISCE/32 expects to be 0 and is causing the packet to be
                                rejected. However, your packet seems to be missing this byte because the
                                <8E> that was there appears to be the first character (G) of the
                                destination callsign. For the KISS spec, please see
                                http://www.ax25.net/kiss.aspxwhich states at the end of section 4:

                                > The following types are defined in frames to the host:
                                >
                                > Type            Function        Comments
                                >     
                                >    0                Data frame      Rest of frame is data from
                                >                                      the HDLC channel.

                                The destination, source, and path callsigns are bit-shifted ASCII and
                                the -SSIDs are encoded in 4 bits of binary along with some flags (hence
                                the 0-15 limit on AX.25 compatible -SSIDs). This is the AX.25 packet
                                header being carried in the KISS data frame.

                                The packet payload is a raw $GPGGA string that correlates to what
                                aprs.fi shows for W6CSP-1
                                (http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=W6CSP-1&limit=5&view=hex). Interestingly
                                though, the <CR><LF> aren't in those raw packets, but then they weren't
                                digipeated by N6EX-1 either, but received directly by the BOXSPG IGate
                                with the original WIDE2-2 path intact. N6EX-1 seems to have replaced the
                                path with his own used callsign and apparently appended a <CR><LF> to
                                the packet unless that was done by your TNC.

                                Question: if you receive other packets in this trace log, do they all
                                end with <0D 0A C0>? This may be another bust (IMHO) in your TNC's KISS
                                implementation.

                                Bottom line: while this appears to be a KISS packet, it's not a proper
                                KISS packet, at least not for what I've read in the KISS specs.

                                Does anyone else out there have one of these TNCs connected to
                                APRSISCE/32 in KISS mode and what are you seeing in your port's trace
                                log if you enable it?

                                And Bob, if you Enable this trace log, do you see any packets coming
                                through cleanly or are they all complaining about the "Missing 0"?

                                Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

                                On 8/30/2013 1:19 AM, ke6gyd wrote:
                                > Really appreciate your help.  Still not going into KISS mode:
                                >
                                > Port(KPC3):2013-08-30T05:15:29.953 KISS:Missing 0, found C0[94]:<C0 8E A0 A6 98 96>@`<AE>l<86 A6 A0>@b<9C>l<8A B0>@@<E3 03 F0>$GPGGA,051524,3350.5768,N,11755.8527,W,1,08,1.2,37.2,M,-31.9,M,,*4A<0D 0A C0>
                                >
                                > Copied and pasted exactly your settings into the .xml file.
                                >
                                > If any other advice, let me know.  We'll keep trying.
                                > Thanks
                                > Bob
                                > KE6GYD
                                >
                                > --- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@...> wrote:
                                >>  From the log, it is not going into KISS mode.
                                >> The only issue I see is an "EXTRA <ONE>   on your first <OpenCmd>
                                >>   and it looks like I had a bad "cmd:" after the reset.
                                >>
                                >>
                                >> Here is an EXACT copy of my port for my KPC-3:
                                >> <!--RFPort[0]-->
                                >>
                                >> <RFPort Name="KPC3">
                                >> <Protocol>KISS</Protocol>
                                >> <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device>
                                >> <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud>
                                >> <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd>
                                >> <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
                                >> <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                >> <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!0</OpenCmd>
                                >> <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                >> <OpenCmd>INT KISS!!0</OpenCmd>
                                >> <OpenCmd>RESET!!3</OpenCmd>
                                >> <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
                                >> <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd>
                                >> <QuietTime>0</QuietTime>
                                >> <Enabled>1</Enabled>
                                >> <XmitEnabled>1</XmitEnabled>
                                >> <ProvidesNMEA>0</ProvidesNMEA>
                                >> <RFtoISEnabled>1</RFtoISEnabled>
                                >> <IStoRFEnabled>1</IStoRFEnabled>
                                >> <MyCallNot3rd>0</MyCallNot3rd>
                                >> <BeaconingEnabled>1</BeaconingEnabled>
                                >> <BeaconPath>WIDE2-1</BeaconPath>
                                >> <BulletinObjectEnabled>1</BulletinObjectEnabled>
                                >> <DXEnabled>1</DXEnabled>
                                >> <DXPath>RFONLY</DXPath>
                                >> <MessagesEnabled>1</MessagesEnabled>
                                >> <MessagePath></MessagePath>
                                >> <TelemetryEnabled>0</TelemetryEnabled>
                                >> <TelemetryPath></TelemetryPath>
                                >> <!--DigiXform-->
                                >> </RFPort>
                                >> <!--RFPort[0]-->
                                >>
                                >>
                                >> If power is lost while connected, it may stay in KISS mode, If you OPEN and CLOSE the port (or exit and restart APRSIS32 again, it will close and reopen the port properly.
                                >> If you have an issue the first time, try
                                >>    >Enables >View Logs >Ports(KPC-3)
                                >>    >Enables > Port >KPC-3            to close the port
                                >> then again
                                >>    >Enables > Port >KPC-3            to re-open the port
                                >>
                                >> Then check the log - post if needed
                                >> Robert Giuliano
                                >> KB8RCO
                                >>
                                >>
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                                >>
                                >> From: ke6gyd <ke6gyd@...>
                                >> To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                >> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:01 PM
                                >> Subject: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                >>
                                >> Â
                                >> Below are the settings I've done as per your last suggestion. Still can't get KPC3 (NO PLUS) to work except for one time after editing the xml file to your suggestions. Don't know if I changed anything that one time. Maybe I'm missing something?
                                >>
                                >> <!--RFPort[0]-->
                                >> <RFPort Name="KPC-3">
                                >> <Protocol>KISS</Protocol>
                                >> <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device>
                                >> <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud>
                                >> <OpenCmd>^M~1!!0</OpenCmd>
                                >> <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
                                >> <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                >> <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                >> <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                >> <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                >> <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd>
                                >> <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
                                >> <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!!0</CloseCmd>
                                >> <CloseCmd>TC 1!TS
                                >>  1</CloseCmd>
                                >> <CloseCmd>TN 2,0!TN 2,0</CloseCmd>
                                >> <QuietTime>0</QuietTime>
                                >> <Enabled>0</Enabled>
                                >>
                                >> Log shows:
                                >> Port(KPC-3):2013-08-29T23:59:52.125 KISS:Missing 0, found C0[101]:<C0 82 A0 9E A8>db<E0 96 94>l<88 B0 A4 E2 9C>l<8A B0>@@<E9 03 F0>/235948h3344.52N/11800.58W>261/000!W85!/A=000007 12.5V 38C HDOP00.9 SATS08 <C0>
                                >>
                                >> Looks like it somehow is not in KISS mode?
                                >>
                                >> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
                                >> Thanks
                                >> Bob
                                >> KE6GYD
                                >>
                                >> --- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@> wrote:
                                >>> APRSIS32 has commands in the XML file that provide "INSTRUCTIONS" to the TNC when the port is OPENED or CLOSED.
                                >>> These commands can be used to tell the KPC-3 to enter KISS MODE when the port is opened,
                                >>  and to
                                >>  tell the KPC-3 to return to its standard mode when the port is closed.
                                >>>    KEY-> the port is opened when APRSISce/32 requests use of it
                                >>>              Application start-up if configured as OPEN on last close
                                >>>             Also through the menu system:
                                >>>               >Enables >Ports {your KPC3 port name}
                                >>>
                                >>>  You have to edit the XML file in the directory where you APRSIS32.EXE file is (or linked to if you have a complex setup)
                                >>> Mine is setup with:
                                >>> <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd>
                                >>> <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
                                >>> <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                >>> <OpenCmd>XFLOW
                                >>  ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                >>> <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                >>> <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                >>> <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd>
                                >>>
                                >>> <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
                                >>> <CloseCmd>^C^C^C!~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd>
                                >>>
                                >>> The open commands seem like a lot of "extras", but I had soime issues with FLOW and Duplex, so I explicitly set them in the setup.
                                >>>
                                >>> Give these a try and let us know
                                >>>
                                >>> Robert Giuliano
                                >>> KB8RCO
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>> ---------------------------------------------
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>> ________________________________
                                >>> From: ke6gyd <ke6gyd@>
                                >>> To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                >>> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:35 AM
                                >>> Subject:
                                >>  [aprsisce]
                                >>  Re: KPC3 configuration
                                >>> ÂÂ
                                >>>
                                >>> I'm leaning toward on demand and would like the TNC to return to normal mode since I use the TNC mostly for EComm use of Packet.
                                >>>
                                >>> What I don't understand in the text below is how to set that up with my KPC-3 and 3+. I'm not familiar with the terminology stated.
                                >>>
                                >>> Can APRSIS32 put the TNC in KISS Mode by configuring certain settings or is that set in the TNC? Where can I find the menu's to accomplish this?
                                >>>
                                >>> BTW, I also have a TinyTrak4 that I've got working just fine in KISS mode with APRSIS32, but I'd like the ability to use the KPC'3 if I don't have the TT4 available.
                                >>>
                                >>> Thanks
                                >>> Bob
                                >>> KE6GYD
                                >>>
                                >>> --- In mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@> wrote:
                                >>>> I TOTALLY disagree!
                                >>>>
                                >>>>
                                >>>> I agree that the best mode is KISS, but
                                >>  whether you CHOOSE to have it continuously in KISS mode (over resets) or CHOOSE to have APRSISce/32 put it in KISS mode on start and set it back to normal (converse) mode after shut down, is COMPLELY up to you.
                                >>>> Which you choose will determine what type of port
                                >>>>    Continuous Mode - Simple KISS
                                >>>>    KISS on demand - set OPENCMD and CLOSECMD commands to ensure the TNC (KPC-3) is in the correct mode.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> I use the KPC-3, all the time (KB8RCO).  Not the Plus . . .
                                >>>> ÂÂÂ
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Robert Giuliano
                                >>>> KB8RCO
                                >>>>
                                >>>>
                                >>>> ---------------------------------------------
                                >>>>
                                >>>> From: Adam Mahnke <kc2ant@>
                                >>>> To: "mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com>
                                >>>> Sent: Tuesday,
                                >>  August 27, 2013 10:16 PM
                                >>>> Subject: RE: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration
                                >>>>
                                >>>> ÂÂÂ
                                >>>> As I recall, the KPC3 will only work in KISS mode, the trick is locking it into KISS mode across a power reset.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/tnc-kpc-3
                                >>>>
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Adam
                                >>>> KC2ANT
                                >>>> To: aprsisce@: ke6gyd@: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 00:10:31 +0000Subject: [aprsisce] KPC3 configurationÂÂÂ
                                >>>> I've just installed APRSISCE and it's working on the laptop (Vista 32)and receiving Local APRS sations via the internet. I need to use a KPC 3 AND 3+ so I can see stations received via RF. Does the KPC3 have to be in KISS mode? I also use the KPC3 with Outpost Packet Message Manager using Terminal Mode, so connections are already made to radio, TNC and computer using
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                              • Fred Hillhouse
                                I think you missed what I was saying. If cmd: is expected, and a 1 second delay is normal without adding anymore information to the string, then, adding more
                                Message 15 of 29 , Aug 30, 2013
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                                  I think you missed what I was saying. If "cmd:" is expected, and a 1 second delay is normal without adding anymore information to the string, then, adding more text to define the same thing it isn't needed.
                                   
                                  From the WIKI:
                                  If you don't specify a Response (no !), "cmd:" is expected.
                                  If you don't specify a Delay (only one !), 1 second is assumed.
                                   
                                  As I understand it, adding "!cmd:!1" is redundant but it does make it plain what is going on.
                                   
                                  If I was to re-write this example from the WIKI:
                                  <OpenCmd>KISS ON</OpenCmd> <!— Transmit "KISS ON<cr>", Wait for "cmd:", for 1 second max — >
                                   
                                  I could add between "ON" and "<", "!cmd:!1" and achieve the same thing. Again, this is my point.
                                  <OpenCmd>KISS ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> which equals <OpenCmd>KISS ON</OpenCmd>
                                   
                                  Looking back at the original TNC OpenCmd entry in the XML:
                                  <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> which is the same as <OpenCmd>CD SOFT</OpenCmd>
                                   
                                   
                                  When I mentioned field, it was in reference to the space that could be used for a "wait for string".
                                   
                                  If an open command (OpenCmd) is sent, then the default data for the 2 fields are "cmd:" and "1". Each field needs a "!" in front of it.
                                   
                                  There is a special case of a non-default delay and still expecting a default response. The response, even though it is default, must be re-stated.
                                   
                                  These are a few examples:
                                   
                                  Normal, waits for cmd: for up to 1 second (default):
                                  <OpenCmd>KISS ON</OpenCmd>
                                   
                                  Same as Normal, just entered more explicitly:
                                  <OpenCmd>KISS ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                   
                                  Expecting a non-default response and a default delay:
                                  <OpenCmd>KISS ON!Robert</OpenCmd>
                                   
                                  Expecting a non-default response and a non-default delay:
                                  <OpenCmd>KISS ON!Robert!2</OpenCmd>
                                   
                                  Expecting default response (re-stated) and with a non-default delay:
                                  <OpenCmd>KISS ON!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
                                   
                                  Not expecting a response and with a non-default delay:
                                  <OpenCmd>KISS ON!!2</OpenCmd>
                                   
                                  As I said previously, I am trying to get edumacated and this is how I currently understand it.
                                   
                                  And, yes I am famous but not REALLY famous. :)
                                   
                                   
                                  Best regards,
                                  Fred N7FMH
                                   


                                  From: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Giuliano
                                  Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 12:59
                                  To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration

                                   

                                  I believe a command like
                                  <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                   
                                  means ->
                                     Send command "CD SOFT"
                                     YES - Look for response from TNC of "cmd:" for 1 seond
                                   
                                  What "field" are you talking about?  "...but look for what is in the field ..."
                                  The "FIELD" between two "!" is "cmd:" -> that's what to look for.
                                   
                                  The cmd: is what the KPC-3 sends when in "command mode".
                                     If it arrives immediately, APRSIS32 will go to the next step.
                                     If it doesn't arrive in "1" second, APRSIS32 will go to the next step.
                                   
                                  That is how I understand it, and it seems to be how APRSIS32 is interfacing with my KPC-3.
                                   
                                  I can't get at my KPC-3 right now, but will change it to:
                                    
                                     <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!Fred!10</OpenCmd>
                                  to see if it waits 10 seconds before trying the enxt command. 
                                     (You REALLY are FAMOUS if my KPC-3 actually responds to your name - hihi)
                                   
                                  Robert Giuliano
                                  KB8RCO


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                                  From: Fred Hillhouse <fmhillhouse@...>
                                  To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 10:35 AM
                                  Subject: RE: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                   
                                  Since the KPC in question is going into KISS, apparently the XML is fine. NO changes should be made to any XML at this time!!
                                   
                                  This now becomes education for me and anyone wishing to follow along.
                                   
                                  Okay Lynn, that is what I thought but then I saw the "OpenCmd" operations in the XML of interest below. I had never looked at this section in the WIKI since I don't have a TNC set up in this fashion.
                                   
                                  If I look at this line from below:
                                  <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                   
                                  I understand this to say:
                                  Send command "CD SOFT", and don't look for "cmd:" but look for what is in the field, which just happens to be "cmd:" for up to one second.
                                   
                                  I think it can be rewritten and produce the same results as:
                                  <OpenCmd>CD SOFT</OpenCmd>
                                   
                                  And one more from the XML:
                                  <OpenCmd>RESET!!3</OpenCmd>
                                  I understand this to say:
                                  Send command "RESET", don't expect any return, wait for 3 seconds, then continue.
                                   
                                   
                                  Best regards,
                                   
                                  Fred N7FMH
                                   
                                   
                                  From: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)
                                  Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 09:55
                                  To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                   
                                  Read it carefully and completely.  It says (just above the example you're referencing):
                                  If you don't specify a Response (no !), "cmd:" is expected
                                  Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32 On 8/30/2013 9:35 AM, Fred Hillhouse wrote:
                                  Is there something missing on this page?
                                   
                                  In the samples at the bottom, the one for "KISS ON" appears incomplete when compared with the open commands below. Or is "cmd:" always expected so it really doesn't need to be included?
                                   
                                  Best regards,
                                  Fred N7FMH


                                  From: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Giuliano
                                  Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 21:31
                                  To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                   
                                  From the log, it is not going into KISS mode.
                                  The only issue I see is an "EXTRA <ONE>   on your first <OpenCmd>
                                    and it looks like I had a bad "cmd:" after the reset.
                                  Here is an EXACT copy of my port for my KPC-3:
                                  <!--RFPort[0]-->
                                  <RFPort Name="KPC3">
                                  <Protocol>KISS</Protocol>
                                  <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device>
                                  <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud>
                                  <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd>
                                  <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
                                  <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                  <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!0</OpenCmd>
                                  <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                  <OpenCmd>INT KISS!!0</OpenCmd>
                                  <OpenCmd>RESET!!3</OpenCmd>
                                  <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
                                  <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd>
                                  <QuietTime>0</QuietTime>
                                  <Enabled>1</Enabled>
                                  <XmitEnabled>1</XmitEnabled>
                                  <ProvidesNMEA>0</ProvidesNMEA>
                                  <RFtoISEnabled>1</RFtoISEnabled>
                                  <IStoRFEnabled>1</IStoRFEnabled>
                                  <MyCallNot3rd>0</MyCallNot3rd>
                                  <BeaconingEnabled>1</BeaconingEnabled>
                                  <BeaconPath>WIDE2-1</BeaconPath>
                                  <BulletinObjectEnabled>1</BulletinObjectEnabled>
                                  <DXEnabled>1</DXEnabled>
                                  <DXPath>RFONLY</DXPath>
                                  <MessagesEnabled>1</MessagesEnabled>
                                  <MessagePath></MessagePath>
                                  <TelemetryEnabled>0</TelemetryEnabled>
                                  <TelemetryPath></TelemetryPath>
                                  <!--DigiXform-->
                                  </RFPort><!--RFPort[0]-->

                                  If power is lost while connected, it may stay in KISS mode, If you OPEN and CLOSE the port (or exit and restart APRSIS32 again, it will close and reopen the port properly. If you have an issue the first time, try    >Enables >View Logs >Ports(KPC-3)    >Enables > Port >KPC-3            to close the port then again    >Enables > Port >KPC-3            to re-open the port Then check the log - post if needed Robert Giuliano KB8RCO

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                                  From: ke6gyd mailto:ke6gyd@...
                                  To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:01 PM
                                  Subject: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                   
                                  Below are the settings I've done as per your last suggestion. Still can't get KPC3 (NO PLUS) to work except for one time after editing the xml file to your suggestions. Don't know if I changed anything that one time. Maybe I'm missing something? <!--RFPort[0]--> <RFPort Name="KPC-3"> <Protocol>KISS</Protocol> <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device> <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud> <OpenCmd>^M~1!!0</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd> <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd> <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!!0</CloseCmd> <CloseCmd>TC 1!TS 1</CloseCmd> <CloseCmd>TN 2,0!TN 2,0</CloseCmd> <QuietTime>0</QuietTime> <Enabled>0</Enabled> Log shows: Port(KPC-3):2013-08-29T23:59:52.125 KISS:Missing 0, found C0[101]:<C0 82 A0 9E A8>db<E0 96 94>l<88 B0 A4 E2 9C>l<8A B0>@@<E9 03 F0>/235948h3344.52N/11800.58W>261/000!W85!/A=000007 12.5V 38C HDOP00.9 SATS08 <C0> Looks like it somehow is not in KISS mode? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks Bob KE6GYD --- In mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano mailto:kb8rco@... wrote: > > APRSIS32 has commands in the XML file that provide "INSTRUCTIONS" to the TNC when the port is OPENED or CLOSED. > These commands can be used to tell the KPC-3 to enter KISS MODE when the port is opened, and to tell the KPC-3 to return to its standard mode when the port is closed. >    KEY-> the port is opened when APRSISce/32 requests use of it >              Application start-up if configured as OPEN on last close >             Also through the menu system: >               >Enables >Ports {your KPC3 port name} > >  You have to edit the XML file in the directory where you APRSIS32.EXE file is (or linked to if you have a complex setup) > Mine is setup with: > <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd> > > <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd> > <CloseCmd>^C^C^C!~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd> > > The open commands seem like a lot of "extras", but I had soime issues with FLOW and Duplex, so I explicitly set them in the setup. > > Give these a try and let us know > > Robert Giuliano > KB8RCO > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > ________________________________ > From: ke6gyd mailto:ke6gyd@... > To: mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:35 AM > Subject: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration > >   > > I'm leaning toward on demand and would like the TNC to return to normal mode since I use the TNC mostly for EComm use of Packet. > > What I don't understand in the text below is how to set that up with my KPC-3 and 3+. I'm not familiar with the terminology stated. > > Can APRSIS32 put the TNC in KISS Mode by configuring certain settings or is that set in the TNC? Where can I find the menu's to accomplish this? > > BTW, I also have a TinyTrak4 that I've got working just fine in KISS mode with APRSIS32, but I'd like the ability to use the KPC'3 if I don't have the TT4 available. > > Thanks > Bob > KE6GYD > > --- In mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@> wrote: > > > > I TOTALLY disagree! > > > > > > I agree that the best mode is KISS, but whether you CHOOSE to have it continuously in KISS mode (over resets) or CHOOSE to have APRSISce/32 put it in KISS mode on start and set it back to normal (converse) mode after shut down, is COMPLELY up to you. > > > > Which you choose will determine what type of port > >    Continuous Mode - Simple KISS > >    KISS on demand - set OPENCMD and CLOSECMD commands to ensure the TNC (KPC-3) is in the correct mode. > > > > I use the KPC-3, all the time (KB8RCO).  Not the Plus . . . > >   > > > > Robert Giuliano > > KB8RCO > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > From: Adam Mahnke <kc2ant@> > > To: "mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 10:16 PM > > Subject: RE: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration > > > >   > > As I recall, the KPC3 will only work in KISS mode, the trick is locking it into KISS mode across a power reset. > > > > http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/tnc-kpc-3 > > > > > > Adam > > KC2ANT > > To: aprsisce@: ke6gyd@: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 00:10:31 +0000Subject: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration  > > I've just installed APRSISCE and it's working on the laptop (Vista 32)and receiving Local APRS sations via the internet. I need to use a KPC 3 AND 3+ so I can see stations received via RF. Does the KPC3 have to be in KISS mode? I also use the KPC3 with Outpost Packet Message Manager using Terminal Mode, so connections are already made to radio, TNC and computer using a USB to RS232-adapter. I'm a neophyte at APRS as well as packet but wanting to learn more.ThanksBobKE6GYD > > >

                                • Rob Giuliano
                                  Missed the Default = 1 second part. Boy reading along and participating sure helps learn new things! Robert Giuliano KB8RCO ...
                                  Message 16 of 29 , Aug 30, 2013
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                                    Missed the "Default = 1 second" part.
                                     
                                    Boy reading along and participating sure helps learn new things!
                                     
                                    Robert Giuliano
                                    KB8RCO


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                                    From: Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr) <kj4erj@...>
                                    To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 1:48 PM
                                    Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                     
                                    You are correct in all of your statements.  Fred, I believe, was referring to something like: <OpenCmd>CD SOFT</OpenCmd> which is the same as your example because the default string to wait for is "cmd:" and the default wait time is 1 second. Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32 On 8/30/2013 12:59 PM, Rob Giuliano wrote:
                                    I believe a command like
                                    <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                     
                                    means ->
                                       Send command "CD SOFT"
                                       YES - Look for response from TNC of "cmd:" for 1 seond
                                     
                                    What "field" are you talking about?  "...but look for what is in the field ..."
                                    The "FIELD" between two "!" is "cmd:" -> that's what to look for.
                                     
                                    The cmd: is what the KPC-3 sends when in "command mode".
                                       If it arrives immediately, APRSIS32 will go to the next step.
                                       If it doesn't arrive in "1" second, APRSIS32 will go to the next step.
                                     
                                    That is how I understand it, and it seems to be how APRSIS32 is interfacing with my KPC-3.
                                     
                                    I can't get at my KPC-3 right now, but will change it to:
                                      
                                       <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!Fred!10</OpenCmd>
                                    to see if it waits 10 seconds before trying the enxt command. 
                                       (You REALLY are FAMOUS if my KPC-3 actually responds to your name - hihi)
                                     
                                    Robert Giuliano
                                    KB8RCO

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                                    From: Fred Hillhouse mailto:fmhillhouse@...
                                    To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 10:35 AM
                                    Subject: RE: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                     
                                    Since the KPC in question is going into KISS, apparently the XML is fine. NO changes should be made to any XML at this time!!
                                     
                                    This now becomes education for me and anyone wishing to follow along.
                                     
                                    Okay Lynn, that is what I thought but then I saw the "OpenCmd" operations in the XML of interest below. I had never looked at this section in the WIKI since I don't have a TNC set up in this fashion.
                                     
                                    If I look at this line from below:
                                    <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                     
                                    I understand this to say:
                                    Send command "CD SOFT", and don't look for "cmd:" but look for what is in the field, which just happens to be "cmd:" for up to one second.
                                     
                                    I think it can be rewritten and produce the same results as:
                                    <OpenCmd>CD SOFT</OpenCmd>
                                     
                                    And one more from the XML:
                                    <OpenCmd>RESET!!3</OpenCmd>
                                    I understand this to say:
                                    Send command "RESET", don't expect any return, wait for 3 seconds, then continue.
                                     
                                     
                                    Best regards,
                                     
                                    Fred N7FMH
                                     
                                     
                                    From: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)
                                    Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 09:55
                                    To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                    Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                     
                                    Read it carefully and completely.  It says (just above the example you're referencing):
                                    If you don't specify a Response (no !), "cmd:" is expected
                                    Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32 On 8/30/2013 9:35 AM, Fred Hillhouse wrote:
                                    Is there something missing on this page?
                                     
                                    In the samples at the bottom, the one for "KISS ON" appears incomplete when compared with the open commands below. Or is "cmd:" always expected so it really doesn't need to be included?
                                     
                                    Best regards,
                                    Fred N7FMH


                                    From: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Giuliano
                                    Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 21:31
                                    To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                    Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                     
                                    From the log, it is not going into KISS mode.
                                    The only issue I see is an "EXTRA <ONE>   on your first <OpenCmd>
                                      and it looks like I had a bad "cmd:" after the reset.
                                    Here is an EXACT copy of my port for my KPC-3:
                                    <!--RFPort[0]-->
                                    <RFPort Name="KPC3">
                                    <Protocol>KISS</Protocol>
                                    <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device>
                                    <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud>
                                    <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd>
                                    <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
                                    <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                    <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!0</OpenCmd>
                                    <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                    <OpenCmd>INT KISS!!0</OpenCmd>
                                    <OpenCmd>RESET!!3</OpenCmd>
                                    <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
                                    <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd>
                                    <QuietTime>0</QuietTime>
                                    <Enabled>1</Enabled>
                                    <XmitEnabled>1</XmitEnabled>
                                    <ProvidesNMEA>0</ProvidesNMEA>
                                    <RFtoISEnabled>1</RFtoISEnabled>
                                    <IStoRFEnabled>1</IStoRFEnabled>
                                    <MyCallNot3rd>0</MyCallNot3rd>
                                    <BeaconingEnabled>1</BeaconingEnabled>
                                    <BeaconPath>WIDE2-1</BeaconPath>
                                    <BulletinObjectEnabled>1</BulletinObjectEnabled>
                                    <DXEnabled>1</DXEnabled>
                                    <DXPath>RFONLY</DXPath>
                                    <MessagesEnabled>1</MessagesEnabled>
                                    <MessagePath></MessagePath>
                                    <TelemetryEnabled>0</TelemetryEnabled>
                                    <TelemetryPath></TelemetryPath>
                                    <!--DigiXform-->
                                    </RFPort><!--RFPort[0]-->

                                    If power is lost while connected, it may stay in KISS mode, If you OPEN and CLOSE the port (or exit and restart APRSIS32 again, it will close and reopen the port properly. If you have an issue the first time, try    >Enables >View Logs >Ports(KPC-3)    >Enables > Port >KPC-3            to close the port then again    >Enables > Port >KPC-3            to re-open the port Then check the log - post if needed Robert Giuliano KB8RCO

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                                    From: ke6gyd mailto:ke6gyd@...
                                    To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:01 PM
                                    Subject: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                     
                                    Below are the settings I've done as per your last suggestion. Still can't get KPC3 (NO PLUS) to work except for one time after editing the xml file to your suggestions. Don't know if I changed anything that one time. Maybe I'm missing something? <!--RFPort[0]--> <RFPort Name="KPC-3"> <Protocol>KISS</Protocol> <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device> <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud> <OpenCmd>^M~1!!0</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd> <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd> <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!!0</CloseCmd> <CloseCmd>TC 1!TS 1</CloseCmd> <CloseCmd>TN 2,0!TN 2,0</CloseCmd> <QuietTime>0</QuietTime> <Enabled>0</Enabled> Log shows: Port(KPC-3):2013-08-29T23:59:52.125 KISS:Missing 0, found C0[101]:<C0 82 A0 9E A8>db<E0 96 94>l<88 B0 A4 E2 9C>l<8A B0>@@<E9 03 F0>/235948h3344.52N/11800.58W>261/000!W85!/A=000007 12.5V 38C HDOP00.9 SATS08 <C0> Looks like it somehow is not in KISS mode? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks Bob KE6GYD --- In mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano mailto:kb8rco@... wrote: > > APRSIS32 has commands in the XML file that provide "INSTRUCTIONS" to the TNC when the port is OPENED or CLOSED. > These commands can be used to tell the KPC-3 to enter KISS MODE when the port is opened, and to tell the KPC-3 to return to its standard mode when the port is closed. >    KEY-> the port is opened when APRSISce/32 requests use of it >              Application start-up if configured as OPEN on last close >             Also through the menu system: >               >Enables >Ports {your KPC3 port name} > >  You have to edit the XML file in the directory where you APRSIS32.EXE file is (or linked to if you have a complex setup) > Mine is setup with: > <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd> > > <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd> > <CloseCmd>^C^C^C!~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd> > > The open commands seem like a lot of "extras", but I had soime issues with FLOW and Duplex, so I explicitly set them in the setup. > > Give these a try and let us know > > Robert Giuliano > KB8RCO > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > ________________________________ > From: ke6gyd mailto:ke6gyd@... > To: mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:35 AM > Subject: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration > >   > > I'm leaning toward on demand and would like the TNC to return to normal mode since I use the TNC mostly for EComm use of Packet. > > What I don't understand in the text below is how to set that up with my KPC-3 and 3+. I'm not familiar with the terminology stated. > > Can APRSIS32 put the TNC in KISS Mode by configuring certain settings or is that set in the TNC? Where can I find the menu's to accomplish this? > > BTW, I also have a TinyTrak4 that I've got working just fine in KISS mode with APRSIS32, but I'd like the ability to use the KPC'3 if I don't have the TT4 available. > > Thanks > Bob > KE6GYD > > --- In mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@> wrote: > > > > I TOTALLY disagree! > > > > > > I agree that the best mode is KISS, but whether you CHOOSE to have it continuously in KISS mode (over resets) or CHOOSE to have APRSISce/32 put it in KISS mode on start and set it back to normal (converse) mode after shut down, is COMPLELY up to you. > > > > Which you choose will determine what type of port > >    Continuous Mode - Simple KISS > >    KISS on demand - set OPENCMD and CLOSECMD commands to ensure the TNC (KPC-3) is in the correct mode. > > > > I use the KPC-3, all the time (KB8RCO).  Not the Plus . . . > >   > > > > Robert Giuliano > > KB8RCO > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > From: Adam Mahnke <kc2ant@> > > To: "mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 10:16 PM > > Subject: RE: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration > > > >   > > As I recall, the KPC3 will only work in KISS mode, the trick is locking it into KISS mode across a power reset. > > > > http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/tnc-kpc-3 > > > > > > Adam > > KC2ANT > > To: aprsisce@: ke6gyd@: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 00:10:31 +0000Subject: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration  > > I've just installed APRSISCE and it's working on the laptop (Vista 32)and receiving Local APRS sations via the internet. I need to use a KPC 3 AND 3+ so I can see stations received via RF. Does the KPC3 have to be in KISS mode? I also use the KPC3 with Outpost Packet Message Manager using Terminal Mode, so connections are already made to radio, TNC and computer using a USB to RS232-adapter. I'm a neophyte at APRS as well as packet but wanting to learn more.ThanksBobKE6GYD > > >
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                                    Yep!   Lynn straightened me out as well! Robert Giuliano KB8RCO ... ________________________________ From: Fred Hillhouse To:
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                                      Yep!
                                        Lynn straightened me out as well!
                                       
                                      Robert Giuliano
                                      KB8RCO


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                                      From: Fred Hillhouse <fmhillhouse@...>
                                      To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 2:02 PM
                                      Subject: RE: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                       
                                      I think you missed what I was saying. If "cmd:" is expected, and a 1 second delay is normal without adding anymore information to the string, then, adding more text to define the same thing it isn't needed.
                                       
                                      From the WIKI:
                                      If you don't specify a Response (no !), "cmd:" is expected.
                                      If you don't specify a Delay (only one !), 1 second is assumed.
                                       
                                      As I understand it, adding "!cmd:!1" is redundant but it does make it plain what is going on.
                                       
                                      If I was to re-write this example from the WIKI:
                                      <OpenCmd>KISS ON</OpenCmd> <!— Transmit "KISS ON<cr>", Wait for "cmd:", for 1 second max — >
                                       
                                      I could add between "ON" and "<", "!cmd:!1" and achieve the same thing. Again, this is my point.
                                      <OpenCmd>KISS ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> which equals <OpenCmd>KISS ON</OpenCmd>
                                       
                                      Looking back at the original TNC OpenCmd entry in the XML:
                                      <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> which is the same as <OpenCmd>CD SOFT</OpenCmd>
                                       
                                       
                                      When I mentioned field, it was in reference to the space that could be used for a "wait for string".
                                       
                                      If an open command (OpenCmd) is sent, then the default data for the 2 fields are "cmd:" and "1". Each field needs a "!" in front of it.
                                       
                                      There is a special case of a non-default delay and still expecting a default response. The response, even though it is default, must be re-stated.
                                       
                                      These are a few examples:
                                       
                                      Normal, waits for cmd: for up to 1 second (default):
                                      <OpenCmd>KISS ON</OpenCmd>
                                       
                                      Same as Normal, just entered more explicitly:
                                      <OpenCmd>KISS ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                       
                                      Expecting a non-default response and a default delay:
                                      <OpenCmd>KISS ON!Robert</OpenCmd>
                                       
                                      Expecting a non-default response and a non-default delay:
                                      <OpenCmd>KISS ON!Robert!2</OpenCmd>
                                       
                                      Expecting default response (re-stated) and with a non-default delay:
                                      <OpenCmd>KISS ON!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
                                       
                                      Not expecting a response and with a non-default delay:
                                      <OpenCmd>KISS ON!!2</OpenCmd>
                                       
                                      As I said previously, I am trying to get edumacated and this is how I currently understand it.
                                       
                                      And, yes I am famous but not REALLY famous. :)
                                       
                                       
                                      Best regards,
                                      Fred N7FMH
                                       
                                      From: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Giuliano
                                      Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 12:59
                                      To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                      Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                       
                                      I believe a command like
                                      <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                       
                                      means ->
                                         Send command "CD SOFT"
                                         YES - Look for response from TNC of "cmd:" for 1 seond
                                       
                                      What "field" are you talking about?  "...but look for what is in the field ..."
                                      The "FIELD" between two "!" is "cmd:" -> that's what to look for.
                                       
                                      The cmd: is what the KPC-3 sends when in "command mode".
                                         If it arrives immediately, APRSIS32 will go to the next step.
                                         If it doesn't arrive in "1" second, APRSIS32 will go to the next step.
                                       
                                      That is how I understand it, and it seems to be how APRSIS32 is interfacing with my KPC-3.
                                       
                                      I can't get at my KPC-3 right now, but will change it to:
                                        
                                         <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!Fred!10</OpenCmd>
                                      to see if it waits 10 seconds before trying the enxt command. 
                                         (You REALLY are FAMOUS if my KPC-3 actually responds to your name - hihi)
                                       
                                      Robert Giuliano
                                      KB8RCO

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                                      From: Fred Hillhouse <fmhillhouse@...>
                                      To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 10:35 AM
                                      Subject: RE: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                       
                                      Since the KPC in question is going into KISS, apparently the XML is fine. NO changes should be made to any XML at this time!!
                                       
                                      This now becomes education for me and anyone wishing to follow along.
                                       
                                      Okay Lynn, that is what I thought but then I saw the "OpenCmd" operations in the XML of interest below. I had never looked at this section in the WIKI since I don't have a TNC set up in this fashion.
                                       
                                      If I look at this line from below:
                                      <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                       
                                      I understand this to say:
                                      Send command "CD SOFT", and don't look for "cmd:" but look for what is in the field, which just happens to be "cmd:" for up to one second.
                                       
                                      I think it can be rewritten and produce the same results as:
                                      <OpenCmd>CD SOFT</OpenCmd>
                                       
                                      And one more from the XML:
                                      <OpenCmd>RESET!!3</OpenCmd>
                                      I understand this to say:
                                      Send command "RESET", don't expect any return, wait for 3 seconds, then continue.
                                       
                                       
                                      Best regards,
                                       
                                      Fred N7FMH
                                       
                                       
                                      From: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)
                                      Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 09:55
                                      To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                      Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                       
                                      Read it carefully and completely.  It says (just above the example you're referencing):
                                      If you don't specify a Response (no !), "cmd:" is expected
                                      Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32 On 8/30/2013 9:35 AM, Fred Hillhouse wrote:
                                      Is there something missing on this page?
                                       
                                      In the samples at the bottom, the one for "KISS ON" appears incomplete when compared with the open commands below. Or is "cmd:" always expected so it really doesn't need to be included?
                                       
                                      Best regards,
                                      Fred N7FMH


                                      From: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Giuliano
                                      Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 21:31
                                      To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                      Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                       
                                      From the log, it is not going into KISS mode.
                                      The only issue I see is an "EXTRA <ONE>   on your first <OpenCmd>
                                        and it looks like I had a bad "cmd:" after the reset.
                                      Here is an EXACT copy of my port for my KPC-3:
                                      <!--RFPort[0]-->
                                      <RFPort Name="KPC3">
                                      <Protocol>KISS</Protocol>
                                      <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device>
                                      <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud>
                                      <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd>
                                      <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
                                      <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                      <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!0</OpenCmd>
                                      <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                      <OpenCmd>INT KISS!!0</OpenCmd>
                                      <OpenCmd>RESET!!3</OpenCmd>
                                      <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
                                      <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd>
                                      <QuietTime>0</QuietTime>
                                      <Enabled>1</Enabled>
                                      <XmitEnabled>1</XmitEnabled>
                                      <ProvidesNMEA>0</ProvidesNMEA>
                                      <RFtoISEnabled>1</RFtoISEnabled>
                                      <IStoRFEnabled>1</IStoRFEnabled>
                                      <MyCallNot3rd>0</MyCallNot3rd>
                                      <BeaconingEnabled>1</BeaconingEnabled>
                                      <BeaconPath>WIDE2-1</BeaconPath>
                                      <BulletinObjectEnabled>1</BulletinObjectEnabled>
                                      <DXEnabled>1</DXEnabled>
                                      <DXPath>RFONLY</DXPath>
                                      <MessagesEnabled>1</MessagesEnabled>
                                      <MessagePath></MessagePath>
                                      <TelemetryEnabled>0</TelemetryEnabled>
                                      <TelemetryPath></TelemetryPath>
                                      <!--DigiXform-->
                                      </RFPort><!--RFPort[0]-->

                                      If power is lost while connected, it may stay in KISS mode, If you OPEN and CLOSE the port (or exit and restart APRSIS32 again, it will close and reopen the port properly. If you have an issue the first time, try    >Enables >View Logs >Ports(KPC-3)    >Enables > Port >KPC-3            to close the port then again    >Enables > Port >KPC-3            to re-open the port Then check the log - post if needed Robert Giuliano KB8RCO

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                                      From: ke6gyd mailto:ke6gyd@...
                                      To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:01 PM
                                      Subject: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                       
                                      Below are the settings I've done as per your last suggestion. Still can't get KPC3 (NO PLUS) to work except for one time after editing the xml file to your suggestions. Don't know if I changed anything that one time. Maybe I'm missing something? <!--RFPort[0]--> <RFPort Name="KPC-3"> <Protocol>KISS</Protocol> <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device> <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud> <OpenCmd>^M~1!!0</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd> <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd> <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!!0</CloseCmd> <CloseCmd>TC 1!TS 1</CloseCmd> <CloseCmd>TN 2,0!TN 2,0</CloseCmd> <QuietTime>0</QuietTime> <Enabled>0</Enabled> Log shows: Port(KPC-3):2013-08-29T23:59:52.125 KISS:Missing 0, found C0[101]:<C0 82 A0 9E A8>db<E0 96 94>l<88 B0 A4 E2 9C>l<8A B0>@@<E9 03 F0>/235948h3344.52N/11800.58W>261/000!W85!/A=000007 12.5V 38C HDOP00.9 SATS08 <C0> Looks like it somehow is not in KISS mode? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks Bob KE6GYD --- In mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano mailto:kb8rco@... wrote: > > APRSIS32 has commands in the XML file that provide "INSTRUCTIONS" to the TNC when the port is OPENED or CLOSED. > These commands can be used to tell the KPC-3 to enter KISS MODE when the port is opened, and to tell the KPC-3 to return to its standard mode when the port is closed. >    KEY-> the port is opened when APRSISce/32 requests use of it >              Application start-up if configured as OPEN on last close >             Also through the menu system: >               >Enables >Ports {your KPC3 port name} > >  You have to edit the XML file in the directory where you APRSIS32.EXE file is (or linked to if you have a complex setup) > Mine is setup with: > <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd> > > <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd> > <CloseCmd>^C^C^C!~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd> > > The open commands seem like a lot of "extras", but I had soime issues with FLOW and Duplex, so I explicitly set them in the setup. > > Give these a try and let us know > > Robert Giuliano > KB8RCO > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > ________________________________ > From: ke6gyd mailto:ke6gyd@... > To: mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:35 AM > Subject: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration > >   > > I'm leaning toward on demand and would like the TNC to return to normal mode since I use the TNC mostly for EComm use of Packet. > > What I don't understand in the text below is how to set that up with my KPC-3 and 3+. I'm not familiar with the terminology stated. > > Can APRSIS32 put the TNC in KISS Mode by configuring certain settings or is that set in the TNC? Where can I find the menu's to accomplish this? > > BTW, I also have a TinyTrak4 that I've got working just fine in KISS mode with APRSIS32, but I'd like the ability to use the KPC'3 if I don't have the TT4 available. > > Thanks > Bob > KE6GYD > > --- In mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@> wrote: > > > > I TOTALLY disagree! > > > > > > I agree that the best mode is KISS, but whether you CHOOSE to have it continuously in KISS mode (over resets) or CHOOSE to have APRSISce/32 put it in KISS mode on start and set it back to normal (converse) mode after shut down, is COMPLELY up to you. > > > > Which you choose will determine what type of port > >    Continuous Mode - Simple KISS > >    KISS on demand - set OPENCMD and CLOSECMD commands to ensure the TNC (KPC-3) is in the correct mode. > > > > I use the KPC-3, all the time (KB8RCO).  Not the Plus . . . > >   > > > > Robert Giuliano > > KB8RCO > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > From: Adam Mahnke <kc2ant@> > > To: "mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 10:16 PM > > Subject: RE: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration > > > >   > > As I recall, the KPC3 will only work in KISS mode, the trick is locking it into KISS mode across a power reset. > > > > http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/tnc-kpc-3 > > > > > > Adam > > KC2ANT > > To: aprsisce@: ke6gyd@: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 00:10:31 +0000Subject: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration  > > I've just installed APRSISCE and it's working on the laptop (Vista 32)and receiving Local APRS sations via the internet. I need to use a KPC 3 AND 3+ so I can see stations received via RF. Does the KPC3 have to be in KISS mode? I also use the KPC3 with Outpost Packet Message Manager using Terminal Mode, so connections are already made to radio, TNC and computer using a USB to RS232-adapter. I'm a neophyte at APRS as well as packet but wanting to learn more.ThanksBobKE6GYD > > >
                                    • ke6gyd
                                      Gentlemen, The device I was using is a KPC3 (no plus) with one port. I do have a 3+, but not trying it at this time. Haven t played with it yesterday to
                                      Message 18 of 29 , Aug 31, 2013
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                                        Gentlemen,

                                        The device I was using is a KPC3 (no plus) with one port.  I do have a 3+, but not trying it at this time.

                                        Haven't played with it yesterday to further try troubleshooting, but I will say that I'm a neophyte with this terminology and use of the .xml file, so that may be part of the problem.

                                        I'll try to digest your comments and suggestions and give it a shot in the next few days and let you know what happens. 

                                        I did notice that there seems to be two ways to state an .xml file command such as
                                        <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>  (1 meaning seconds of time)
                                        vs.

                                        <OpenCmd>CD SOFT</OpenCmd>

                                        Is there a document that explains this code so I can understand it better.
                                        I believe that all the items between the >  < are packet terminal commands.

                                        Thanks Again
                                        Bob
                                        KE6GYD
                                         

                                         







                                        --- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, <kb8rco@...> wrote:

                                        Yep!
                                          Lynn straightened me out as well!
                                         
                                        Robert Giuliano
                                        KB8RCO


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                                        From: Fred Hillhouse <fmhillhouse@...>
                                        To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 2:02 PM
                                        Subject: RE: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                         
                                        I think you missed what I was saying. If "cmd:" is expected, and a 1 second delay is normal without adding anymore information to the string, then, adding more text to define the same thing it isn't needed.
                                         
                                        From the WIKI:
                                        If you don't specify a Response (no !), "cmd:" is expected.
                                        If you don't specify a Delay (only one !), 1 second is assumed.
                                         
                                        As I understand it, adding "!cmd:!1" is redundant but it does make it plain what is going on.
                                         
                                        If I was to re-write this example from the WIKI:
                                        <OpenCmd>KISS ON</OpenCmd> <!— Transmit "KISS ON<cr>", Wait for "cmd:", for 1 second max — >
                                         
                                        I could add between "ON" and "<", "!cmd:!1" and achieve the same thing. Again, this is my point.
                                        <OpenCmd>KISS ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> which equals <OpenCmd>KISS ON</OpenCmd>
                                         
                                        Looking back at the original TNC OpenCmd entry in the XML:
                                        <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> which is the same as <OpenCmd>CD SOFT</OpenCmd>
                                         
                                         
                                        When I mentioned field, it was in reference to the space that could be used for a "wait for string".
                                         
                                        If an open command (OpenCmd) is sent, then the default data for the 2 fields are "cmd:" and "1". Each field needs a "!" in front of it.
                                         
                                        There is a special case of a non-default delay and still expecting a default response. The response, even though it is default, must be re-stated.
                                         
                                        These are a few examples:
                                         
                                        Normal, waits for cmd: for up to 1 second (default):
                                        <OpenCmd>KISS ON</OpenCmd>
                                         
                                        Same as Normal, just entered more explicitly:
                                        <OpenCmd>KISS ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                         
                                        Expecting a non-default response and a default delay:
                                        <OpenCmd>KISS ON!Robert</OpenCmd>
                                         
                                        Expecting a non-default response and a non-default delay:
                                        <OpenCmd>KISS ON!Robert!2</OpenCmd>
                                         
                                        Expecting default response (re-stated) and with a non-default delay:
                                        <OpenCmd>KISS ON!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
                                         
                                        Not expecting a response and with a non-default delay:
                                        <OpenCmd>KISS ON!!2</OpenCmd>
                                         
                                        As I said previously, I am trying to get edumacated and this is how I currently understand it.
                                         
                                        And, yes I am famous but not REALLY famous. :)
                                         
                                         
                                        Best regards,
                                        Fred N7FMH
                                         
                                        From: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Giuliano
                                        Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 12:59
                                        To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                        Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                         
                                        I believe a command like
                                        <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                         
                                        means ->
                                           Send command "CD SOFT"
                                           YES - Look for response from TNC of "cmd:" for 1 seond
                                         
                                        What "field" are you talking about?  "...but look for what is in the field ..."
                                        The "FIELD" between two "!" is "cmd:" -> that's what to look for.
                                         
                                        The cmd: is what the KPC-3 sends when in "command mode".
                                           If it arrives immediately, APRSIS32 will go to the next step.
                                           If it doesn't arrive in "1" second, APRSIS32 will go to the next step.
                                         
                                        That is how I understand it, and it seems to be how APRSIS32 is interfacing with my KPC-3.
                                         
                                        I can't get at my KPC-3 right now, but will change it to:
                                          
                                           <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!Fred!10</OpenCmd>
                                        to see if it waits 10 seconds before trying the enxt command. 
                                           (You REALLY are FAMOUS if my KPC-3 actually responds to your name - hihi )
                                         
                                        Robert Giuliano
                                        KB8RCO

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                                        From: Fred Hillhouse <fmhillhouse@...>
                                        To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 10:35 AM
                                        Subject: RE: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                         
                                        Since the KPC in question is going into KISS, apparently the XML is fine. NO changes should be made to any XML at this time!!
                                         
                                        This now becomes education for me and anyone wishing to follow along.
                                         
                                        Okay Lynn, that is what I thought but then I saw the "OpenCmd" operations in the XML of interest below. I had never looked at this section in the WIKI since I don't have a TNC set up in this fashion.
                                         
                                        If I look at this line from below:
                                        <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                         
                                        I understand this to say:
                                        Send command "CD SOFT", and don't look for "cmd:" but look for what is in the field, which just happens to be "cmd:" for up to one second.
                                         
                                        I think it can be rewritten and produce the same results as:
                                        <OpenCmd>CD SOFT</OpenCmd>
                                         
                                        And one more from the XML:
                                        <OpenCmd>RESET!!3</OpenCmd>
                                        I understand this to say:
                                        Send command "RESET", don't expect any return, wait for 3 seconds, then continue.
                                         
                                         
                                        Best regards,
                                         
                                        Fred N7FMH
                                         
                                         
                                        From: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)
                                        Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 09:55
                                        To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                        Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                         
                                        Read it carefully and completely.  It says (just above the example you're referencing):
                                        If you don't specify a Response (no !), "cmd:" is expected
                                        Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32 On 8/30/2013 9:35 AM, Fred Hillhouse wrote:
                                        Is there something missing on this page?
                                         
                                        In the samples at the bottom, the one for "KISS ON" appears incomplete when compared with the open commands below. Or is "cmd:" always expected so it really doesn't need to be included?
                                         
                                        Best regards,
                                        Fred N7FMH


                                        From: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Giuliano
                                        Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 21:31
                                        To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                        Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                         
                                        From the log, it is not going into KISS mode.
                                        The only issue I see is an "EXTRA <ONE>   on your first <OpenCmd>
                                          and it looks like I had a bad "cmd:" after the reset.
                                        Here is an EXACT copy of my port for my KPC-3:
                                        <!--RFPort[0]-->
                                        <RFPort Name="KPC3">
                                        <Protocol>KISS</Protocol>
                                        <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device>
                                        <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud>
                                        <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd>
                                        <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
                                        <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                        <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!0</OpenCmd>
                                        <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                        <OpenCmd>INT KISS!!0</OpenCmd>
                                        <OpenCmd>RESET!!3</OpenCmd>
                                        <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
                                        <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd>
                                        <QuietTime>0</QuietTime>
                                        <Enabled>1</Enabled>
                                        <XmitEnabled>1</XmitEnabled>
                                        <ProvidesNMEA>0</ProvidesNMEA>
                                        <RFtoISEnabled>1</RFtoISEnabled>
                                        <IStoRFEnabled>1</IStoRFEnabled>
                                        <MyCallNot3rd>0</MyCallNot3rd>
                                        <BeaconingEnabled>1</BeaconingEnabled>
                                        <BeaconPath>WIDE2-1</BeaconPath>
                                        <BulletinObjectEnabled>1</BulletinObjectEnabled>
                                        <DXEnabled>1</DXEnabled>
                                        <DXPath>RFONLY</DXPath>
                                        <MessagesEnabled>1</MessagesEnabled>
                                        <MessagePath></MessagePath>
                                        <TelemetryEnabled>0</TelemetryEnabled>
                                        <TelemetryPath></TelemetryPath>
                                        <!--DigiXform-->
                                        </RFPort> ><!--RFPort[0]-->

                                        If power is lost while connected, it may stay in KISS mode, If you OPEN and CLOSE the port (or exit and restart APRSIS32 again, it will close and reopen the port properly. If you have an issue the first time, try    >Enables >View Logs >Ports(KPC-3)    >Enables > Port >KPC-3            to close the port then again    >Enables > Port >KPC-3            to re-open the port Then check the log - post if needed Robert Giuliano KB8RCO

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                                        From: ke6gyd mailto:ke6gyd@...
                                        To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:01 PM
                                        Subject: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                         
                                        Below are the settings I've done as per your last suggestion. Still can't get KPC3 (NO PLUS) to work except for one time after editing the xml file to your suggestions. Don't know if I changed anything that one time. Maybe I'm missing something? <!--RFPort[0]--> <RFPort Name="KPC-3"> <Protocol>KISS</Protocol> <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device> <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud> <OpenCmd>^M~1!!0</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd> <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd> <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!!0</CloseCmd> <CloseCmd>TC 1!TS 1</CloseCmd> <CloseCmd>TN 2,0!TN 2,0</CloseCmd> <QuietTime>0</QuietTime> <Enabled>0</Enabled> Log shows: Port(KPC-3):2013-08-29T23:59:52.125 KISS:Missing 0, found C0[101]:<C0 82 A0 9E A8>db<E0 96 94>l<88 B0 A4 E2 9C>l<8A B0>@@<E9 03 F0>/235948h3344.52N/11800.58W>261/000!W85!/A=000007 12.5V 38C HDOP00.9 SATS08 <C0> Looks like it somehow is not in KISS mode? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks Bob KE6GYD --- In mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano mailto:kb8rco@... wrote: > > APRSIS32 has commands in the XML file that provide "INSTRUCTIONS" to the TNC when the port is OPENED or CLOSED. > These commands can be used to tell the KPC-3 to enter KISS MODE when the port is opened, and to tell the KPC-3 to return to its standard mode when the port is closed. >    KEY-> the port is opened when APRSISce/32 requests use of it >              Application start-up if configured as OPEN on last close >             Also through the menu system: >               >Enables >Ports {your KPC3 port name} > >  You have to edit the XML file in the directory where you APRSIS32.EXE file is (or linked to if you have a complex setup) > Mine is setup with: > <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd> > > <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd> > <CloseCmd>^C^C^C!~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd> > > The open commands seem like a lot of "extras", but I had soime issues with FLOW and Duplex, so I explicitly set them in the setup. > > Give these a try and let us know > > Robert Giuliano > KB8RCO > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > ________________________________ > From: ke6gyd mailto:ke6gyd@... > To: mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:35 AM > Subject: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration > >   > > I'm leaning toward on demand and would like the TNC to return to normal mode since I use the TNC mostly for EComm use of Packet. > > What I don't understand in the text below is how to set that up with my KPC-3 and 3+. I'm not familiar with the terminology stated. > > Can APRSIS32 put the TNC in KISS Mode by configuring certain settings or is that set in the TNC? Where can I find the menu's to accomplish this? > > BTW, I also have a TinyTrak4 that I've got working just fine in KISS mode with APRSIS32, but I'd like the ability to use the KPC'3 if I don't have the TT4 available. > > Thanks > Bob > KE6GYD > > --- In mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@> wrote: > > > > I TOTALLY disagree! > > > > > > I agree that the best mode is KISS, but whether you CHOOSE to have it continuously in KISS mode (over resets) or CHOOSE to have APRSISce/32 put it in KISS mode on start and set it back to normal (converse) mode after shut down, is COMPLELY up to you. > > > > Which you choose will determine what type of port > >    Continuous Mode - Simple KISS > >    KISS on demand - set OPENCMD and CLOSECMD commands to ensure the TNC (KPC-3) is in the correct mode. > > > > I use the KPC-3, all the time (KB8RCO).  Not the Plus . . . > >   > > > > Robert Giuliano > > KB8RCO > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > From: Adam Mahnke <kc2ant@> > > To: "mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 10:16 PM > > Subject: RE: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration > > > >   > > As I recall, the KPC3 will only work in KISS mode, the trick is locking it into KISS mode across a power reset. > > > > http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/tnc-kpc-3 > > > > > > Adam > > KC2ANT > > To: aprsisce@: ke6gyd@: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 00:10:31 +0000Subject: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration  > > I've just installed APRSISCE and it's working on the laptop (Vista 32)and receiving Local APRS sations via the internet. I need to use a KPC 3 AND 3+ so I can see stations received via RF. Does the KPC3 have to be in KISS mode? I also use the KPC3 with Outpost Packet Message Manager using Terminal Mode, so connections are already made to radio, TNC and computer using a USB to RS232-adapter. I'm a neophyte at APRS as well as packet but wanting to learn more.ThanksBobKE6GYD > > >
                                      • ke6gyd
                                        We ll keep trying, I ll give it a rest for a while and try to digest all the suggestions. Thanks Bob KE6GYD --- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com,
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                                           We'll keep trying, I'll give it a rest for a while and try to digest all the suggestions.

                                          Thanks

                                          Bob

                                          KE6GYD



                                          --- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, <ke6gyd@...> wrote:

                                          Gentlemen,

                                          The device I was using is a KPC3 (no plus) with one port.  I do have a 3+, but not trying it at this time.

                                          Haven't played with it yesterday to further try troubleshooting, but I will say that I'm a neophyte with this terminology and use of the .xml file, so that may be part of the problem.

                                          I'll try to digest your comments and suggestions and give it a shot in the next few days and let you know what happens. 

                                          I did notice that there seems to be two ways to state an .xml file command such as
                                          <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>  (1 meaning seconds of time)
                                          vs.

                                          <OpenCmd>CD SOFT</OpenCmd>

                                          Is there a document that explains this code so I can understand it better.
                                          I believe that all the items between the >  < are packet terminal commands.

                                          Thanks Again
                                          Bob
                                          KE6GYD
                                           

                                           







                                          --- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, <kb8rco@...> wrote:

                                          Yep!
                                            Lynn straightened me out as well!
                                           
                                          Robert Giuliano
                                          KB8RCO


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                                          From: Fred Hillhouse <fmhillhouse@...>
                                          To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 2:02 PM
                                          Subject: RE: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                           
                                          I think you missed what I was saying. If "cmd:" is expected, and a 1 second delay is normal without adding anymore information to the string, then, adding more text to define the same thing it isn't needed.
                                           
                                          From the WIKI:
                                          If you don't specify a Response (no !), "cmd:" is expected.
                                          If you don't specify a Delay (only one !), 1 second is assumed.
                                           
                                          As I understand it, adding "!cmd:!1" is redundant but it does make it plain what is going on.
                                           
                                          If I was to re-write this example from the WIKI:
                                          <OpenCmd>KISS ON</OpenCmd> <!— Transmit "KISS ON<cr>", Wait for "cmd:", for 1 second max — >
                                           
                                          I could add between "ON" and "<", "!cmd:!1" and achieve the same thing. Again, this is my point.
                                          <OpenCmd>KISS ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> which equals <OpenCmd>KISS ON</OpenCmd>
                                           
                                          Looking back at the original TNC OpenCmd entry in the XML:
                                          <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> which is the same as <OpenCmd>CD SOFT</OpenCmd>
                                           
                                           
                                          When I mentioned field, it was in reference to the space that could be used for a "wait for string".
                                           
                                          If an open command (OpenCmd) is sent, then the default data for the 2 fields are "cmd:" and "1". Each field needs a "!" in front of it.
                                           
                                          There is a special case of a non-default delay and still expecting a default response. The response, even though it is default, must be re-stated.
                                           
                                          These are a few examples:
                                           
                                          Normal, waits for cmd: for up to 1 second (default):
                                          <OpenCmd>KISS ON</OpenCmd>
                                           
                                          Same as Normal, just entered more explicitly:
                                          <OpenCmd>KISS ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                           
                                          Expecting a non-default response and a default delay:
                                          <OpenCmd>KISS ON!Robert</OpenCmd>
                                           
                                          Expecting a non-default response and a non-default delay:
                                          <OpenCmd>KISS ON!Robert!2</OpenCmd>
                                           
                                          Expecting default response (re-stated) and with a non-default delay:
                                          <OpenCmd>KISS ON!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
                                           
                                          Not expecting a response and with a non-default delay:
                                          <OpenCmd>KISS ON!!2</OpenCmd>
                                           
                                          As I said previously, I am trying to get edumacated and this is how I currently understand it.
                                           
                                          And, yes I am famous but not REALLY famous. :)
                                           
                                           
                                          Best regards,
                                          Fred N7FMH
                                           
                                          From: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Giuliano
                                          Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 12:59
                                          To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                           
                                          I believe a command like
                                          <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                           
                                          means ->
                                             Send command "CD SOFT"
                                             YES - Look for response from TNC of "cmd:" for 1 seond
                                           
                                          What "field" are you talking about?  "...but look for what is in the field ..."
                                          The "FIELD" between two "!" is "cmd:" -> that's what to look for.
                                           
                                          The cmd: is what the KPC-3 sends when in "command mode".
                                             If it arrives immediately, APRSIS32 will go to the next step.
                                             If it doesn't arrive in "1" second, APRSIS32 will go to the next step.
                                           
                                          That is how I understand it, and it seems to be how APRSIS32 is interfacing with my KPC-3.
                                           
                                          I can't get at my KPC-3 right now, but will change it to:
                                            
                                             <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!Fred!10</OpenCmd>
                                          to see if it waits 10 seconds before trying the enxt command. 
                                             (You REALLY are FAMOUS if my KPC-3 actually responds to your name - hihi )
                                           
                                          Robert Giuliano
                                          KB8RCO

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                                          From: Fred Hillhouse <fmhillhouse@...>
                                          To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 10:35 AM
                                          Subject: RE: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                           
                                          Since the KPC in question is going into KISS, apparently the XML is fine. NO changes should be made to any XML at this time!!
                                           
                                          This now becomes education for me and anyone wishing to follow along.
                                           
                                          Okay Lynn, that is what I thought but then I saw the "OpenCmd" operations in the XML of interest below. I had never looked at this section in the WIKI since I don't have a TNC set up in this fashion.
                                           
                                          If I look at this line from below:
                                          <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                           
                                          I understand this to say:
                                          Send command "CD SOFT", and don't look for "cmd:" but look for what is in the field, which just happens to be "cmd:" for up to one second.
                                           
                                          I think it can be rewritten and produce the same results as:
                                          <OpenCmd>CD SOFT</OpenCmd>
                                           
                                          And one more from the XML:
                                          <OpenCmd>RESET!!3</OpenCmd>
                                          I understand this to say:
                                          Send command "RESET", don't expect any return, wait for 3 seconds, then continue.
                                           
                                           
                                          Best regards,
                                           
                                          Fred N7FMH
                                           
                                           
                                          From: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)
                                          Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 09:55
                                          To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                           
                                          Read it carefully and completely.  It says (just above the example you're referencing):
                                          If you don't specify a Response (no !), "cmd:" is expected
                                          Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32 On 8/30/2013 9:35 AM, Fred Hillhouse wrote:
                                          Is there something missing on this page?
                                           
                                          In the samples at the bottom, the one for "KISS ON" appears incomplete when compared with the open commands below. Or is "cmd:" always expected so it really doesn't need to be included?
                                           
                                          Best regards,
                                          Fred N7FMH


                                          From: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Giuliano
                                          Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 21:31
                                          To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                           
                                          From the log, it is not going into KISS mode.
                                          The only issue I see is an "EXTRA <ONE>   on your first <OpenCmd>
                                            and it looks like I had a bad "cmd:" after the reset.
                                          Here is an EXACT copy of my port for my KPC-3:
                                          <!--RFPort[0]-->
                                          <RFPort Name="KPC3">
                                          <Protocol>KISS</Protocol>
                                          <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device>
                                          <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud>
                                          <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd>
                                          <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
                                          <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                          <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!0</OpenCmd>
                                          <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                          <OpenCmd>INT KISS!!0</OpenCmd>
                                          <OpenCmd>RESET!!3</OpenCmd>
                                          <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
                                          <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd>
                                          <QuietTime>0</QuietTime>
                                          <Enabled>1</Enabled>
                                          <XmitEnabled>1</XmitEnabled>
                                          <ProvidesNMEA>0</ProvidesNMEA>
                                          <RFtoISEnabled>1</RFtoISEnabled>
                                          <IStoRFEnabled>1</IStoRFEnabled>
                                          <MyCallNot3rd>0</MyCallNot3rd>
                                          <BeaconingEnabled>1</BeaconingEnabled>
                                          <BeaconPath>WIDE2-1</BeaconPath>
                                          <BulletinObjectEnabled>1</BulletinObjectEnabled>
                                          <DXEnabled>1</DXEnabled>
                                          <DXPath>RFONLY</DXPath>
                                          <MessagesEnabled>1</MessagesEnabled>
                                          <MessagePath></MessagePath>
                                          <TelemetryEnabled>0</TelemetryEnabled>
                                          <TelemetryPath></TelemetryPath>
                                          <!--DigiXform-->
                                          </RFPort> ><!--RFPort[0]-->

                                          If power is lost while connected, it may stay in KISS mode, If you OPEN and CLOSE the port (or exit and restart APRSIS32 again, it will close and reopen the port properly. If you have an issue the first time, try    >Enables >View Logs >Ports(KPC-3)    >Enables > Port >KPC-3            to close the port then again    >Enables > Port >KPC-3            to re-open the port Then check the log - post if needed Robert Giuliano KB8RCO

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                                          From: ke6gyd mailto:ke6gyd@...
                                          To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:01 PM
                                          Subject: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                           
                                          Below are the settings I've done as per your last suggestion. Still can't get KPC3 (NO PLUS) to work except for one time after editing the xml file to your suggestions. Don't know if I changed anything that one time. Maybe I'm missing something? <!--RFPort[0]--> <RFPort Name="KPC-3"> <Protocol>KISS</Protocol> <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device> <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud> <OpenCmd>^M~1!!0</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd> <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd> <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!!0</CloseCmd> <CloseCmd>TC 1!TS 1</CloseCmd> <CloseCmd>TN 2,0!TN 2,0</CloseCmd> <QuietTime>0</QuietTime> <Enabled>0</Enabled> Log shows: Port(KPC-3):2013-08-29T23:59:52.125 KISS:Missing 0, found C0[101]:<C0 82 A0 9E A8>db<E0 96 94>l<88 B0 A4 E2 9C>l<8A B0>@@<E9 03 F0>/235948h3344.52N/11800.58W>261/000!W85!/A=000007 12.5V 38C HDOP00.9 SATS08 <C0> Looks like it somehow is not in KISS mode? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks Bob KE6GYD --- In mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano mailto:kb8rco@... wrote: > > APRSIS32 has commands in the XML file that provide "INSTRUCTIONS" to the TNC when the port is OPENED or CLOSED. > These commands can be used to tell the KPC-3 to enter KISS MODE when the port is opened, and to tell the KPC-3 to return to its standard mode when the port is closed. >    KEY-> the port is opened when APRSISce/32 requests use of it >              Application start-up if configured as OPEN on last close >             Also through the menu system: >               >Enables >Ports {your KPC3 port name} > >  You have to edit the XML file in the directory where you APRSIS32.EXE file is (or linked to if you have a complex setup) > Mine is setup with: > <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd> > > <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd> > <CloseCmd>^C^C^C!~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd> > > The open commands seem like a lot of "extras", but I had soime issues with FLOW and Duplex, so I explicitly set them in the setup. > > Give these a try and let us know > > Robert Giuliano > KB8RCO > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > ________________________________ > From: ke6gyd mailto:ke6gyd@... > To: mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:35 AM > Subject: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration > >   > > I'm leaning toward on demand and would like the TNC to return to normal mode since I use the TNC mostly for EComm use of Packet. > > What I don't understand in the text below is how to set that up with my KPC-3 and 3+. I'm not familiar with the terminology stated. > > Can APRSIS32 put the TNC in KISS Mode by configuring certain settings or is that set in the TNC? Where can I find the menu's to accomplish this? > > BTW, I also have a TinyTrak4 that I've got working just fine in KISS mode with APRSIS32, but I'd like the ability to use the KPC'3 if I don't have the TT4 available. > > Thanks > Bob > KE6GYD > > --- In mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@> wrote: > > > > I TOTALLY disagree! > > > > > > I agree that the best mode is KISS, but whether you CHOOSE to have it continuously in KISS mode (over resets) or CHOOSE to have APRSISce/32 put it in KISS mode on start and set it back to normal (converse) mode after shut down, is COMPLELY up to you. > > > > Which you choose will determine what type of port > >    Continuous Mode - Simple KISS > >    KISS on demand - set OPENCMD and CLOSECMD commands to ensure the TNC (KPC-3) is in the correct mode. > > > > I use the KPC-3, all the time (KB8RCO).  Not the Plus . . . > >   > > > > Robert Giuliano > > KB8RCO > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > From: Adam Mahnke <kc2ant@> > > To: "mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 10:16 PM > > Subject: RE: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration > > > >   > > As I recall, the KPC3 will only work in KISS mode, the trick is locking it into KISS mode across a power reset. > > > > http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/tnc-kpc-3 > > > > > > Adam > > KC2ANT > > To: aprsisce@: ke6gyd@: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 00:10:31 +0000Subject: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration  > > I've just installed APRSISCE and it's working on the laptop (Vista 32)and receiving Local APRS sations via the internet. I need to use a KPC 3 AND 3+ so I can see stations received via RF. Does the KPC3 have to be in KISS mode? I also use the KPC3 with Outpost Packet Message Manager using Terminal Mode, so connections are already made to radio, TNC and computer using a USB to RS232-adapter. I'm a neophyte at APRS as well as packet but wanting to learn more.ThanksBobKE6GYD > > >
                                        • Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)
                                          ... They are both the same, but the second one relies on the defaults which are explicitly specified in the first one. ...
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                                            On 8/31/2013 9:04 AM, ke6gyd@... wrote:

                                            I did notice that there seems to be two ways to state an .xml file command such as
                                            <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>  (1 meaning seconds of time)
                                            vs.

                                            <OpenCmd>CD SOFT</OpenCmd>

                                            They are both the same, but the second one relies on the defaults which are explicitly specified in the first one.


                                            Is there a document that explains this code so I can understand it better.

                                            http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/doc:openclosecmd

                                            I believe that all the items between the >  < are packet terminal commands.

                                            Almost.  The value of the XML element (between the > and <) is a term which can have one, two, or three parts delimited by !.  The first piece is the command to send out.  The second piece is the expected response with a default of cmd:.  The third piece is the timeout in seconds with a default of 1.

                                            Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

                                          • Rob Giuliano
                                            The APRSISce/32 WIKI:    http://aprsisce.wikidot.com I think patrs were posted before, but more specifics:    http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/doc:openclosecmd
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                                              The APRSISce/32 WIKI:
                                               
                                              I think patrs were posted before, but more specifics:
                                               
                                              Robert Giuliano
                                              KB8RCO


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                                              From: "ke6gyd@..." <ke6gyd@...>
                                              To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                              Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 9:10 AM
                                              Subject: RE: Re: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration at exit of APRSIS32 progam
                                               
                                               We'll keep trying, I'll give it a rest for a while and try to digest all the suggestions.
                                              Thanks
                                              Bob
                                              KE6GYD
                                              --- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, <ke6gyd@...> wrote:
                                              Gentlemen, The device I was using is a KPC3 (no plus) with one port.  I do have a 3+, but not trying it at this time. Haven't played with it yesterday to further try troubleshooting, but I will say that I'm a neophyte with this terminology and use of the .xml file, so that may be part of the problem. I'll try to digest your comments and suggestions and give it a shot in the next few days and let you know what happens.  I did notice that there seems to be two ways to state an .xml file command such as
                                              <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>  (1 meaning seconds of time)
                                              vs.
                                              <OpenCmd>CD SOFT</OpenCmd>

                                              Is there a document that explains this code so I can understand it better.
                                              I believe that all the items between the >  < are packet terminal commands.

                                              Thanks Again
                                              Bob
                                              KE6GYD
                                               
                                               


                                              --- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, <kb8rco@...> wrote:

                                              Yep!
                                                Lynn straightened me out as well!
                                               
                                              Robert Giuliano
                                              KB8RCO

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                                              From: Fred Hillhouse <fmhillhouse@...>
                                              To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                              Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 2:02 PM
                                              Subject: RE: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                               
                                              I think you missed what I was saying. If "cmd:" is expected, and a 1 second delay is normal without adding anymore information to the string, then, adding more text to define the same thing it isn't needed.
                                               
                                              From the WIKI:
                                              If you don't specify a Response (no !), "cmd:" is expected.
                                              If you don't specify a Delay (only one !), 1 second is assumed.
                                               
                                              As I understand it, adding "!cmd:!1" is redundant but it does make it plain what is going on.
                                               
                                              If I was to re-write this example from the WIKI:
                                              <OpenCmd>KISS ON</OpenCmd> <!— Transmit "KISS ON<cr>", Wait for "cmd:", for 1 second max — >
                                               
                                              I could add between "ON" and "<", "!cmd:!1" and achieve the same thing. Again, this is my point.
                                              <OpenCmd>KISS ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> which equals <OpenCmd>KISS ON</OpenCmd>
                                               
                                              Looking back at the original TNC OpenCmd entry in the XML:
                                              <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> which is the same as <OpenCmd>CD SOFT</OpenCmd>
                                               
                                               
                                              When I mentioned field, it was in reference to the space that could be used for a "wait for string".
                                               
                                              If an open command (OpenCmd) is sent, then the default data for the 2 fields are "cmd:" and "1". Each field needs a "!" in front of it.
                                               
                                              There is a special case of a non-default delay and still expecting a default response. The response, even though it is default, must be re-stated.
                                               
                                              These are a few examples:
                                               
                                              Normal, waits for cmd: for up to 1 second (default):
                                              <OpenCmd>KISS ON</OpenCmd>
                                               
                                              Same as Normal, just entered more explicitly:
                                              <OpenCmd>KISS ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                               
                                              Expecting a non-default response and a default delay:
                                              <OpenCmd>KISS ON!Robert</OpenCmd>
                                               
                                              Expecting a non-default response and a non-default delay:
                                              <OpenCmd>KISS ON!Robert!2</OpenCmd>
                                               
                                              Expecting default response (re-stated) and with a non-default delay:
                                              <OpenCmd>KISS ON!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
                                               
                                              Not expecting a response and with a non-default delay:
                                              <OpenCmd>KISS ON!!2</OpenCmd>
                                               
                                              As I said previously, I am trying to get edumacated and this is how I currently understand it.
                                               
                                              And, yes I am famous but not REALLY famous. :)
                                               
                                               
                                              Best regards,
                                              Fred N7FMH
                                               
                                              From: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Giuliano
                                              Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 12:59
                                              To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                              Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                               
                                              I believe a command like
                                              <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                               
                                              means ->
                                                 Send command "CD SOFT"
                                                 YES - Look for response from TNC of "cmd:" for 1 seond
                                               
                                              What "field" are you talking about?  "...but look for what is in the field ..."
                                              The "FIELD" between two "!" is "cmd:" -> that's what to look for.
                                               
                                              The cmd: is what the KPC-3 sends when in "command mode".
                                                 If it arrives immediately, APRSIS32 will go to the next step.
                                                 If it doesn't arrive in "1" second, APRSIS32 will go to the next step.
                                               
                                              That is how I understand it, and it seems to be how APRSIS32 is interfacing with my KPC-3.
                                               
                                              I can't get at my KPC-3 right now, but will change it to:
                                                
                                                 <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!Fred!10</OpenCmd>
                                              to see if it waits 10 seconds before trying the enxt command. 
                                                 (You REALLY are FAMOUS if my KPC-3 actually responds to your name - hihi )
                                               
                                              Robert Giuliano
                                              KB8RCO

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                                              From: Fred Hillhouse <fmhillhouse@...>
                                              To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                              Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 10:35 AM
                                              Subject: RE: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                               
                                              Since the KPC in question is going into KISS, apparently the XML is fine. NO changes should be made to any XML at this time!!
                                               
                                              This now becomes education for me and anyone wishing to follow along.
                                               
                                              Okay Lynn, that is what I thought but then I saw the "OpenCmd" operations in the XML of interest below. I had never looked at this section in the WIKI since I don't have a TNC set up in this fashion.
                                               
                                              If I look at this line from below:
                                              <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                               
                                              I understand this to say:
                                              Send command "CD SOFT", and don't look for "cmd:" but look for what is in the field, which just happens to be "cmd:" for up to one second.
                                               
                                              I think it can be rewritten and produce the same results as:
                                              <OpenCmd>CD SOFT</OpenCmd>
                                               
                                              And one more from the XML:
                                              <OpenCmd>RESET!!3</OpenCmd>
                                              I understand this to say:
                                              Send command "RESET", don't expect any return, wait for 3 seconds, then continue.
                                               
                                               
                                              Best regards,
                                               
                                              Fred N7FMH
                                               
                                               
                                              From: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)
                                              Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 09:55
                                              To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                              Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                               
                                              Read it carefully and completely.  It says (just above the example you're referencing):
                                              If you don't specify a Response (no !), "cmd:" is expected
                                              Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32 On 8/30/2013 9:35 AM, Fred Hillhouse wrote:
                                              Is there something missing on this page?
                                               
                                              In the samples at the bottom, the one for "KISS ON" appears incomplete when compared with the open commands below. Or is "cmd:" always expected so it really doesn't need to be included?
                                               
                                              Best regards,
                                              Fred N7FMH


                                              From: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Giuliano
                                              Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 21:31
                                              To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                              Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                               
                                              From the log, it is not going into KISS mode.
                                              The only issue I see is an "EXTRA <ONE>   on your first <OpenCmd>
                                                and it looks like I had a bad "cmd:" after the reset.
                                              Here is an EXACT copy of my port for my KPC-3:
                                              <!--RFPort[0]-->
                                              <RFPort Name="KPC3">
                                              <Protocol>KISS</Protocol>
                                              <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device>
                                              <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud>
                                              <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd>
                                              <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd>
                                              <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                              <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!0</OpenCmd>
                                              <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd>
                                              <OpenCmd>INT KISS!!0</OpenCmd>
                                              <OpenCmd>RESET!!3</OpenCmd>
                                              <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd>
                                              <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd>
                                              <QuietTime>0</QuietTime>
                                              <Enabled>1</Enabled>
                                              <XmitEnabled>1</XmitEnabled>
                                              <ProvidesNMEA>0</ProvidesNMEA>
                                              <RFtoISEnabled>1</RFtoISEnabled>
                                              <IStoRFEnabled>1</IStoRFEnabled>
                                              <MyCallNot3rd>0</MyCallNot3rd>
                                              <BeaconingEnabled>1</BeaconingEnabled>
                                              <BeaconPath>WIDE2-1</BeaconPath>
                                              <BulletinObjectEnabled>1</BulletinObjectEnabled>
                                              <DXEnabled>1</DXEnabled>
                                              <DXPath>RFONLY</DXPath>
                                              <MessagesEnabled>1</MessagesEnabled>
                                              <MessagePath></MessagePath>
                                              <TelemetryEnabled>0</TelemetryEnabled>
                                              <TelemetryPath></TelemetryPath>
                                              <!--DigiXform-->
                                              </RFPort> ><!--RFPort[0]-->

                                              If power is lost while connected, it may stay in KISS mode, If you OPEN and CLOSE the port (or exit and restart APRSIS32 again, it will close and reopen the port properly. If you have an issue the first time, try    >Enables >View Logs >Ports(KPC-3)    >Enables > Port >KPC-3            to close the port then again    >Enables > Port >KPC-3            to re-open the port Then check the log - post if needed Robert Giuliano KB8RCO

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                                              From: ke6gyd mailto:ke6gyd@...
                                              To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
                                              Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:01 PM
                                              Subject: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration
                                               
                                              Below are the settings I've done as per your last suggestion. Still can't get KPC3 (NO PLUS) to work except for one time after editing the xml file to your suggestions. Don't know if I changed anything that one time. Maybe I'm missing something? <!--RFPort[0]--> <RFPort Name="KPC-3"> <Protocol>KISS</Protocol> <Device>COM1:9600,N,8,1</Device> <RfBaud>1200</RfBaud> <OpenCmd>^M~1!!0</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd> <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd> <CloseCmd>^C^C^C~!!0</CloseCmd> <CloseCmd>TC 1!TS 1</CloseCmd> <CloseCmd>TN 2,0!TN 2,0</CloseCmd> <QuietTime>0</QuietTime> <Enabled>0</Enabled> Log shows: Port(KPC-3):2013-08-29T23:59:52.125 KISS:Missing 0, found C0[101]:<C0 82 A0 9E A8>db<E0 96 94>l<88 B0 A4 E2 9C>l<8A B0>@@<E9 03 F0>/235948h3344.52N/11800.58W>261/000!W85!/A=000007 12.5V 38C HDOP00.9 SATS08 <C0> Looks like it somehow is not in KISS mode? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks Bob KE6GYD --- In mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano mailto:kb8rco@... wrote: > > APRSIS32 has commands in the XML file that provide "INSTRUCTIONS" to the TNC when the port is OPENED or CLOSED. > These commands can be used to tell the KPC-3 to enter KISS MODE when the port is opened, and to tell the KPC-3 to return to its standard mode when the port is closed. >    KEY-> the port is opened when APRSISce/32 requests use of it >              Application start-up if configured as OPEN on last close >             Also through the menu system: >               >Enables >Ports {your KPC3 port name} > >  You have to edit the XML file in the directory where you APRSIS32.EXE file is (or linked to if you have a complex setup) > Mine is setup with: > <OpenCmd>^M~!!0</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>^C~!cmd:!2</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>CD SOFT!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>XFLOW ON!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>FULLDUP OFF!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>INT KISS!cmd:!1</OpenCmd> > <OpenCmd>RESET!cmd:!3</OpenCmd> > > <CloseCmd>^192^255^192~!!0</CloseCmd> > <CloseCmd>^C^C^C!~!cmd:!3</CloseCmd> > > The open commands seem like a lot of "extras", but I had soime issues with FLOW and Duplex, so I explicitly set them in the setup. > > Give these a try and let us know > > Robert Giuliano > KB8RCO > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > ________________________________ > From: ke6gyd mailto:ke6gyd@... > To: mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:35 AM > Subject: [aprsisce] Re: KPC3 configuration > >   > > I'm leaning toward on demand and would like the TNC to return to normal mode since I use the TNC mostly for EComm use of Packet. > > What I don't understand in the text below is how to set that up with my KPC-3 and 3+. I'm not familiar with the terminology stated. > > Can APRSIS32 put the TNC in KISS Mode by configuring certain settings or is that set in the TNC? Where can I find the menu's to accomplish this? > > BTW, I also have a TinyTrak4 that I've got working just fine in KISS mode with APRSIS32, but I'd like the ability to use the KPC'3 if I don't have the TT4 available. > > Thanks > Bob > KE6GYD > > --- In mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com, Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@> wrote: > > > > I TOTALLY disagree! > > > > > > I agree that the best mode is KISS, but whether you CHOOSE to have it continuously in KISS mode (over resets) or CHOOSE to have APRSISce/32 put it in KISS mode on start and set it back to normal (converse) mode after shut down, is COMPLELY up to you. > > > > Which you choose will determine what type of port > >    Continuous Mode - Simple KISS > >    KISS on demand - set OPENCMD and CLOSECMD commands to ensure the TNC (KPC-3) is in the correct mode. > > > > I use the KPC-3, all the time (KB8RCO).  Not the Plus . . . > >   > > > > Robert Giuliano > > KB8RCO > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > From: Adam Mahnke <kc2ant@> > > To: "mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:aprsisce%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 10:16 PM > > Subject: RE: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration > > > >   > > As I recall, the KPC3 will only work in KISS mode, the trick is locking it into KISS mode across a power reset. > > > > http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/tnc-kpc-3 > > > > > > Adam > > KC2ANT > > To: aprsisce@: ke6gyd@: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 00:10:31 +0000Subject: [aprsisce] KPC3 configuration  > > I've just installed APRSISCE and it's working on the laptop (Vista 32)and receiving Local APRS sations via the internet. I need to use a KPC 3 AND 3+ so I can see stations received via RF. Does the KPC3 have to be in KISS mode? I also use the KPC3 with Outpost Packet Message Manager using Terminal Mode, so connections are already made to radio, TNC and computer using a USB to RS232-adapter. I'm a neophyte at APRS as well as packet but wanting to learn more.ThanksBobKE6GYD > > >
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