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  • annie2ka
    IS-Server @localhost:4000 -1
    Message 1 of 10 , Jan 2, 2012
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      <!--RFPort[2]-->
      <RFPort Name="localhost">
      <Protocol>IS-Server</Protocol>
      <Device>@localhost:4000</Device>
      <RfBaud>-1</RfBaud>
      <!--OpenCmd-->
      <!--CloseCmd-->
      <QuietTime>0</QuietTime>
      <Enabled>1</Enabled>
      <XmitEnabled>1</XmitEnabled>
      <ProvidesNMEA>0</ProvidesNMEA>
      <RFtoISEnabled>1</RFtoISEnabled>
      <IStoRFEnabled>1</IStoRFEnabled>
      <MyCallNot3rd>0</MyCallNot3rd>
      <BeaconingEnabled>1</BeaconingEnabled>
      <BeaconPath></BeaconPath>
      <BulletinObjectEnabled>1</BulletinObjectEnabled>
      <MessagesEnabled>1</MessagesEnabled>
      <MessagePath></MessagePath>
      <TelemetryEnabled>0</TelemetryEnabled>
      <TelemetryPath></TelemetryPath>
      <!--DigiXform-->
      </RFPort>
      <!--RFPort[2]-->

      <DigiXform>WIDE1-1=WIDE1*</DigiXform>

      Above is XML file Below is DigiNot Trace Log
      WinMain:2012-01-02T20:03:49.453 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (VE7AV-4>APND14,GATE,WIDE2-1:!R3;KL/Ix]& sT)
      WinMain:2012-01-02T20:03:49.484 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (VE7AV-4>APND14,GATE,WIDE2-1:!R3;KL/Ix]& sT)
      WinMain:2012-01-02T20:18:50.000 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (VE7AV-4>APND14,GATE,WIDE2-1:!R3;KL/Ix]& sT)
      WinMain:2012-01-02T20:18:50.000 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (VE7AV-4>APND14,GATE,WIDE2-1:!R3;KL/Ix]& sT)
      WinMain:2012-01-02T20:19:16.578 Empty Path (2 Hops) in (KB7DZR-15>APWW08:>30M IGate, http://www.kb7dzr.com)
      WinMain:2012-01-02T20:19:16.593 Empty Path (2 Hops) in (KB7DZR-15>APWW08:>30M IGate, http://www.kb7dzr.com)
      WinMain:2012-01-02T20:32:06.000 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:>Tracy in Milpitas CA - w6oth@...)
      WinMain:2012-01-02T20:37:19.468 Empty Path (2 Hops) in (KB7DZR-15>APWW08:=/7S,:0oZz& sT30M IGate - Joseph, OR. USA)
      WinMain:2012-01-02T20:37:19.468 Empty Path (2 Hops) in (KB7DZR-15>APWW08:=/7S,:0oZz& sT30M IGate - Joseph, OR. USA)
      WinMain:2012-01-02T20:45:06.390 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:>Tracy in Milpitas CA - w6oth@...)
      WinMain:2012-01-02T20:48:49.968 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (VE7AV-4>APND14,GATE,WIDE2-1:!R3;KL/Ix]& sT)
      WinMain:2012-01-02T20:48:49.968 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (VE7AV-4>APND14,GATE,WIDE2-1:!R3;KL/Ix]& sT)

      What am I missing to get it to Digi??
      Thanks Ken/w7kj
    • Colin M0XSD
      It would appear you have only set up a WIDE1-1 Digi. If you want to Digi other Paths you need to add coresponding DigiXform lines in the XML, for instance:
      Message 2 of 10 , Jan 2, 2012
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        It would appear you have only set up a WIDE1-1 Digi.
        If you want to Digi other Paths you need to add coresponding DigiXform lines in the XML, for instance:

        <DigiXform>WIDE2-1=WIDE2*</DigiXform>

        if you want to Digi WIDE2-1 (and use up that remaining hop)
        &

        <DigiXform>WIDE2-2=WIDE2-1</DigiXform>

        if you want to Digi WIDE2-2 (& leave a hop remaining)

        I hope that makes sense, if not let us know & someone will try to explain it better.


        73,
        Colin.

        On 02/01/2012 20:58, annie2ka wrote:
         

        <!--RFPort[2]-->
        <RFPort Name="localhost">
        <Protocol>IS-Server</Protocol>
        <Device>@localhost:4000</Device>
        <RfBaud>-1</RfBaud>
        <!--OpenCmd-->
        <!--CloseCmd-->
        <QuietTime>0</QuietTime>
        <Enabled>1</Enabled>
        <XmitEnabled>1</XmitEnabled>
        <ProvidesNMEA>0</ProvidesNMEA>
        <RFtoISEnabled>1</RFtoISEnabled>
        <IStoRFEnabled>1</IStoRFEnabled>
        <MyCallNot3rd>0</MyCallNot3rd>
        <BeaconingEnabled>1</BeaconingEnabled>
        <BeaconPath></BeaconPath>
        <BulletinObjectEnabled>1</BulletinObjectEnabled>
        <MessagesEnabled>1</MessagesEnabled>
        <MessagePath></MessagePath>
        <TelemetryEnabled>0</TelemetryEnabled>
        <TelemetryPath></TelemetryPath>
        <!--DigiXform-->
        </RFPort>
        <!--RFPort[2]-->

        <DigiXform>WIDE1-1=WIDE1*</DigiXform>

        Above is XML file Below is DigiNot Trace Log
        WinMain:2012-01-02T20:03:49.453 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (VE7AV-4>APND14,GATE,WIDE2-1:!R3;KL/Ix]& sT)
        WinMain:2012-01-02T20:03:49.484 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (VE7AV-4>APND14,GATE,WIDE2-1:!R3;KL/Ix]& sT)
        WinMain:2012-01-02T20:18:50.000 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (VE7AV-4>APND14,GATE,WIDE2-1:!R3;KL/Ix]& sT)
        WinMain:2012-01-02T20:18:50.000 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (VE7AV-4>APND14,GATE,WIDE2-1:!R3;KL/Ix]& sT)
        WinMain:2012-01-02T20:19:16.578 Empty Path (2 Hops) in (KB7DZR-15>APWW08:>30M IGate, http://www.kb7dzr.com)
        WinMain:2012-01-02T20:19:16.593 Empty Path (2 Hops) in (KB7DZR-15>APWW08:>30M IGate, http://www.kb7dzr.com)
        WinMain:2012-01-02T20:32:06.000 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:>Tracy in Milpitas CA - w6oth@...)
        WinMain:2012-01-02T20:37:19.468 Empty Path (2 Hops) in (KB7DZR-15>APWW08:=/7S,:0oZz& sT30M IGate - Joseph, OR. USA)
        WinMain:2012-01-02T20:37:19.468 Empty Path (2 Hops) in (KB7DZR-15>APWW08:=/7S,:0oZz& sT30M IGate - Joseph, OR. USA)
        WinMain:2012-01-02T20:45:06.390 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:>Tracy in Milpitas CA - w6oth@...)
        WinMain:2012-01-02T20:48:49.968 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (VE7AV-4>APND14,GATE,WIDE2-1:!R3;KL/Ix]& sT)
        WinMain:2012-01-02T20:48:49.968 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (VE7AV-4>APND14,GATE,WIDE2-1:!R3;KL/Ix]& sT)

        What am I missing to get it to Digi??
        Thanks Ken/w7kj


      • Steve Daniels
        For some of those you need to entrer some more digix lines i.e. WIDE2-1=WIDE2* WIDE2-2=WIDE2-1 If it says no
        Message 3 of 10 , Jan 2, 2012
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          For some of those you need to entrer some more digix lines i.e.

          <DigiXform>WIDE2-1=WIDE2*</DigiXform>
          <DigiXform>WIDE2-2=WIDE2-1</DigiXform>

           

          If it says no digixform it means there is no matching digxform entry for the path.

          http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/doc:digipeating

           

           

          Steve Daniels

          G6UIM

          Torbay Freecycle Moderator


          From: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of annie2ka
          Sent: 02 January 2012 20:58
          To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [aprsisce] DIGI NOT

           

           

          <!--RFPort[2]-->
          <RFPort Name="localhost">
          <Protocol>IS-Server</Protocol>
          <Device>@localhost:4000</Device>
          <RfBaud>-1</RfBaud>
          <!--OpenCmd-->
          <!--CloseCmd-->
          <QuietTime>0</QuietTime>
          <Enabled>1</Enabled>
          <XmitEnabled>1</XmitEnabled>
          <ProvidesNMEA>0</ProvidesNMEA>
          <RFtoISEnabled>1</RFtoISEnabled>
          <IStoRFEnabled>1</IStoRFEnabled>
          <MyCallNot3rd>0</MyCallNot3rd>
          <BeaconingEnabled>1</BeaconingEnabled>
          <BeaconPath></BeaconPath>
          <BulletinObjectEnabled>1</BulletinObjectEnabled>
          <MessagesEnabled>1</MessagesEnabled>
          <MessagePath></MessagePath>
          <TelemetryEnabled>0</TelemetryEnabled>
          <TelemetryPath></TelemetryPath>
          <!--DigiXform-->
          </RFPort>
          <!--RFPort[2]-->

          <DigiXform>WIDE1-1=WIDE1*</DigiXform>

          Above is XML file Below is DigiNot Trace Log
          WinMain:2012-01-02T20:03:49.453 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (VE7AV-4>APND14,GATE,WIDE2-1:!R3;KL/Ix]& sT)
          WinMain:2012-01-02T20:03:49.484 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (VE7AV-4>APND14,GATE,WIDE2-1:!R3;KL/Ix]& sT)
          WinMain:2012-01-02T20:18:50.000 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (VE7AV-4>APND14,GATE,WIDE2-1:!R3;KL/Ix]& sT)
          WinMain:2012-01-02T20:18:50.000 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (VE7AV-4>APND14,GATE,WIDE2-1:!R3;KL/Ix]& sT)
          WinMain:2012-01-02T20:19:16.578 Empty Path (2 Hops) in (KB7DZR-15>APWW08:>30M IGate, http://www.kb7dzr.com)
          WinMain:2012-01-02T20:19:16.593 Empty Path (2 Hops) in (KB7DZR-15>APWW08:>30M IGate, http://www.kb7dzr.com)
          WinMain:2012-01-02T20:32:06.000 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:> Tracy in Milpitas CA - w6oth@...)
          WinMain:2012-01-02T20:37:19.468 Empty Path (2 Hops) in (KB7DZR-15>APWW08:=/7S,:0oZz& sT30M IGate - Joseph , OR . USA )
          WinMain:2012-01-02T20:37:19.468 Empty Path (2 Hops) in (KB7DZR-15>APWW08:=/7S,:0oZz& sT30M IGate - Joseph , OR . USA )
          WinMain:2012-01-02T20:45:06.390 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:> Tracy in Milpitas CA - w6oth@...)
          WinMain:2012-01-02T20:48:49.968 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (VE7AV-4>APND14,GATE,WIDE2-1:!R3;KL/Ix]& sT)
          WinMain:2012-01-02T20:48:49.968 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (VE7AV-4>APND14,GATE,WIDE2-1:!R3;KL/Ix]& sT)

          What am I missing to get it to Digi??
          Thanks Ken/w7kj

        • Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)
          ... That configuration will work for any RF-received packet whose first unused path component is WIDE1-1. ... The first unused path component in each of those
          Message 4 of 10 , Jan 2, 2012
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            On 1/2/2012 3:58 PM, annie2ka wrote:
            >
            > <DigiXform>WIDE1-1=WIDE1*</DigiXform>

            That configuration will work for any RF-received packet whose first
            unused path component is WIDE1-1.

            > Above is XML file Below is DigiNot Trace Log
            > WinMain:2012-01-02T20:03:49.453 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (VE7AV-4>APND14,GATE,WIDE2-1:!R3;KL/Ix]& sT)
            > WinMain:2012-01-02T20:03:49.484 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (VE7AV-4>APND14,GATE,WIDE2-1:!R3;KL/Ix]& sT)
            > WinMain:2012-01-02T20:18:50.000 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (VE7AV-4>APND14,GATE,WIDE2-1:!R3;KL/Ix]& sT)
            > WinMain:2012-01-02T20:18:50.000 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (VE7AV-4>APND14,GATE,WIDE2-1:!R3;KL/Ix]& sT)

            The first unused path component in each of those packets is "GATE" which
            a) is not a standard digipeater alias and b) does not have a <DigiXform>
            rule in your configuration. NOT digipeated.

            > WinMain:2012-01-02T20:19:16.578 Empty Path (2 Hops) in (KB7DZR-15>APWW08:>30M IGate, http://www.kb7dzr.com)
            > WinMain:2012-01-02T20:19:16.593 Empty Path (2 Hops) in (KB7DZR-15>APWW08:>30M IGate, http://www.kb7dzr.com)

            Those two packets have empty paths therefore there is NO unused path
            component and NO digipeater will act on them.

            > WinMain:2012-01-02T20:32:06.000 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:>Tracy in Milpitas CA - w6oth@...)

            ECHO is the first unused path component which is a standard alias for HF
            digipeating and is not recommended for general use unless you're
            tracking mobile on HF and may need the digipeat assistance. You have no
            rule configured for responding to the ECHO alias.

            > WinMain:2012-01-02T20:37:19.468 Empty Path (2 Hops) in (KB7DZR-15>APWW08:=/7S,:0oZz& sT30M IGate - Joseph, OR. USA)
            > WinMain:2012-01-02T20:37:19.468 Empty Path (2 Hops) in (KB7DZR-15>APWW08:=/7S,:0oZz& sT30M IGate - Joseph, OR. USA)
            > WinMain:2012-01-02T20:45:06.390 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:>Tracy in Milpitas CA - w6oth@...)
            > WinMain:2012-01-02T20:48:49.968 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (VE7AV-4>APND14,GATE,WIDE2-1:!R3;KL/Ix]& sT)
            > WinMain:2012-01-02T20:48:49.968 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (VE7AV-4>APND14,GATE,WIDE2-1:!R3;KL/Ix]& sT)

            Ditto everything above.

            > What am I missing to get it to Digi??

            You said that those lines came from the Digi(NOT) trace log. Is there
            anything in your enabled Digi trace log? That's where you'll see the
            ones that fired your <DigiXform> rule. You'd also see digipeated
            packets in your Transmit event log being the packets you transmit whose
            source call is not your own.

            Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32
          • annie2ka
            Trace Digi Trace Digi WinMain:2012-01-03T00:40:17.140 Digipeating W4TTU-1 (WIDE2-2) via(WIDE2-2=WIDE2-1) WinMain:2012-01-03T00:40:17.140
            Message 5 of 10 , Jan 2, 2012
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              Trace Digi
              Trace Digi
              WinMain:2012-01-03T00:40:17.140 Digipeating W4TTU-1 (WIDE2-2) via(WIDE2-2=WIDE2-1)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T00:40:17.140 Original(W4TTU-1>BEACON,WIDE2-2:!3902.63N/07722.48W&/ 30M/2M Sugarland Run VA iGate)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T00:40:17.140 Transmit(W4TTU-1>BEACON,W7KJ-15*,WIDE2-1:!3902.63N/07722.48W&/ 30M/2M Sugarland Run VA iGate)
              DIGINOT

              WinMain:2012-01-03T00:18:51.593 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (VE7AV-4>APND14,GATE,WIDE2-1:!R3;KL/Ix]& sT)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T00:18:51.593 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (VE7AV-4>APND14,GATE,WIDE2-1:!R3;KL/Ix]& sT)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T00:25:22.515 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:=3727.43N/12153.73W-PHG3360 KAM, FT840. de Tracy overlooking silicon Valley - 30m HF)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T00:25:22.515 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:=3727.43N/12153.73W-PHG3360 KAM, FT840. de Tracy overlooking silicon Valley - 30m HF)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T00:26:21.578 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:>Tracy in Milpitas CA - w6oth@...)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T00:26:21.578 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:>Tracy in Milpitas CA - w6oth@...)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T00:27:13.781 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (K4AG>APU25N,ECHO,GATE:=2539.11N/08021.53W&So Fla Gateway)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T00:29:26.906 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (KB2ETO>APW284,GATE,WIDE:=4230.70N/07619.40WNPHG2140/New York, Tompkins, Dryden, WinAPRS 2.8.4 -284-<630>)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T00:29:26.921 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (KB2ETO>APW284,GATE,WIDE:=4230.70N/07619.40WNPHG2140/New York, Tompkins, Dryden, WinAPRS 2.8.4 -284-<630>)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T00:32:47.609 Unused Hop(WIDE3-3) Has No DigiXform in (K1CKK-1>APWW08,WIDE3-3:>030032zAPRSIS32)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T00:33:11.750 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (KB2ETO>APW284,ECHO,GATE,WIDE:=4230.70N/07619.40WNPHG2140/New York, Tompkins, Dryden, WinAPRS 2.8.4 -284-<630>)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T00:37:28.375 Unused Hop(WIDE3-3) Has No DigiXform in (K1CKK-1>APWW08,WIDE3-3:=4145.06N/07003.92W-VHF APRS Brewster,Ma)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T00:40:17.140 Already Digied (W4TTU-1>BEACON,WIDE2-2:!3902.63N/07722.48W&/ 30M/2M Sugarland Run VA iGate)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T00:52:23.531 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:>Tracy in Milpitas CA - w6oth@...)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T00:52:23.531 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:>Tracy in Milpitas CA - w6oth@...)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T00:56:32.406 Empty Path (2 Hops) in (N2TIF>APU16N::K1CKK :?APRST)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T00:56:32.421 Empty Path (2 Hops) in (N2TIF>APU16N::K1CKK :?APRST)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T00:57:00.390 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (K4AG>ID,ECHO,GATE:K4AG/R ECHO/D GATE/G K4AG-1/B)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T00:57:00.406 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (K4AG>ID,ECHO,GATE:K4AG/R ECHO/D GATE/G K4AG-1/B)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T00:57:30.718 Unused Hop(WIDE3-3) Has No DigiXform in (K1CKK-1>APWW08,WIDE3-3:=4145.06N/07003.92W-VHF APRS Brewster,Ma)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T01:05:24.500 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:>Tracy in Milpitas CA - w6oth@...)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T01:05:24.500 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:>Tracy in Milpitas CA - w6oth@...)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T01:18:24.718 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:>Tracy in Milpitas CA - w6oth@...)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T01:18:24.718 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:>Tracy in Milpitas CA - w6oth@...)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T01:22:26.656 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:=3727.43N/12153.73W-PHG3360 KAM, FT840. de Tracy overlooking silicon Valley - 30m HF)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T01:27:36.687 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (K4AG>APU25N,ECHO,GATE:>030026zSo Fla Gateway)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T01:29:49.421 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (K4AG>ID,ECHO,GATE:K4AG/R ECHO/D GATE/G K4AG-1/B)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T01:29:49.453 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (K4AG>ID,ECHO,GATE:K4AG/R ECHO/D GATE/G K4AG-1/B)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T01:31:25.421 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:>Tracy in Milpitas CA - w6oth@...)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T01:31:25.421 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:>Tracy in Milpitas CA - w6oth@...)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T01:32:49.156 All Hops Used (3/3) in (K1CKK-1>APWW08,K4AG*:>030132zAPRSIS32)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T01:34:19.593 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (KB2ETO>APW284,GATE,WIDE:=4230.70N/07619.40WNPHG2140/New York, Tompkins, Dryden, WinAPRS 2.8.4 -284-<630>)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T01:34:19.593 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (KB2ETO>APW284,GATE,WIDE:=4230.70N/07619.40WNPHG2140/New York, Tompkins, Dryden, WinAPRS 2.8.4 -284-<630>)
              WinMain:2012-01-03T01:41:00.046 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (K5RAV>ID,GATE,WIDE:K5RAV/R ECHO/D GATE/G K5RAV-1/B)

              TRANSMIT
              12:21.109 Transmit(IS) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1:<IGATE,MSG_CNT=0,LOC_CNT=0,DIR_CNT=0,RF_CNT=0
              2012-01-03T00:12:23.109 Transmit(IS+RF) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1:=4713.43N/12236.82W&FOX ISLAND, WA.
              2012-01-03T00:12:23.109 Transmit(INT) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1:=4713.43N/12236.82W&FOX ISLAND, WA.
              2012-01-03T00:12:41.500 Transmit(INT) SEWFFA>APRS,qAO,WE7U-WX:;SEWFFAa00*051200z4721.22N\12312.34WwNWS_WATCH,FLASH_FLOOD,WAC45 !w-N!{4C002
              2012-01-03T00:14:21.109 Transmit(INT) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1:T#465,100,048,078,500,000,10100000
              2012-01-03T00:19:21.125 Transmit(IS) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1:<IGATE,MSG_CNT=0,LOC_CNT=1,DIR_CNT=1,RF_CNT=1,DX=1*VE7AV-4(456mi@358°)
              2012-01-03T00:29:21.140 Transmit(INT) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1::W7KJ-15 :PARM.Battery,Charging/AC,GPS+Sat,A4,A5,A/C,Charging,GPS,B4,B5,B6,B7,B8
              2012-01-03T00:29:21.140 Transmit(INT) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1::W7KJ-15 :UNIT.Percent,Charge/On/Off,Sats/On/Off,N/A,N/A,On,Yes,On,N/A,N/A,N/A,N/A,N/A
              2012-01-03T00:29:21.140 Transmit(INT) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1::W7KJ-15 :EQNS.0,1,0,0,1,0,0,1,0,0,1,0,0,1,0
              2012-01-03T00:29:21.140 Transmit(INT) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1::W7KJ-15 :BITS.11111111,Battery State Tracking
              2012-01-03T00:29:21.140 Transmit(INT) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1:T#466,100,048,083,500,000,10100000
              2012-01-03T00:40:17.140 Transmit(RF) W4TTU-1>BEACON,W7KJ-15*,WIDE2-1:!3902.63N/07722.48W&/ 30M/2M Sugarland Run VA iGate
              2012-01-03T00:44:21.187 Transmit(INT) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1:T#467,100,048,088,500,000,10100000
              2012-01-03T00:59:21.250 Transmit(INT) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1:T#468,100,048,073,500,000,10100000
              2012-01-03T01:12:23.484 Transmit(IS+RF) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1:=4713.42N/12236.82W&FOX ISLAND, WA.
              2012-01-03T01:12:23.484 Transmit(INT) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1:=4713.42N/12236.82W&FOX ISLAND, WA.
              2012-01-03T01:14:21.281 Transmit(INT) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1:T#469,100,048,083,500,000,10100000
              2012-01-03T01:19:21.296 Transmit(IS) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1:<IGATE,MSG_CNT=0,LOC_CNT=3,DIR_CNT=3,RF_CNT=3
              2012-01-03T01:29:21.328 Transmit(INT) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1:T#470,100,048,078,500,000,10100000
              2012-01-03T01:44:21.362 Transmit(INT) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1:T#471,100,048,088,500,000,10100000

              Looks to Digi when any hops left except for GATE and ECHO, how do
              you configure for those two?
              Thanks for help,explanations.
              Ken/w7kj

              --- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)" <kj4erj@...> wrote:
              >
              > > You said that those lines came from the Digi(NOT) trace log. Is there
              > anything in your enabled Digi trace log? That's where you'll see the
              > ones that fired your <DigiXform> rule. You'd also see digipeated
              > packets in your Transmit event log being the packets you transmit whose
              > source call is not your own.
              >
              > Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32
              >
            • Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)
              ... First, you need to ask yourself if you SHOULD be digipeating on WIDE2-1 or WIDE2-2 and/or GATE and/or ECHO. In particular, I d think that GATE is not a
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                > Looks to Digi when any hops left except for GATE and ECHO, how do
                > you configure for those two?

                First, you need to ask yourself if you SHOULD be digipeating on WIDE2-1
                or WIDE2-2 and/or GATE and/or ECHO. In particular, I'd think that GATE
                is not a request for a digipeat, but something else.

                But, if you insist on doing so, the general form of a <DigiXform> is:

                <DigiXform>unused=retransmit</DigiXform>

                So, for GATE and ECHO it would be:

                <DigiXform>GATE=GATE*</DigiXform>
                <DigiXform>ECHO=ECHO*</DigiXform>

                VE7AV-4>APND14,GATE,WIDE2-1:!R3;KL/Ix]& sT

                will retransmit as

                VE7AV-4>APND14,GATE*,WIDE2-1:!R3;KL/Ix]& sT

                and

                W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:=3727.43N/12153.73W-....

                will become

                W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO*,GATE,WIDE2-2:=3727.43N/12153.73W-....


                Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

                On 1/2/2012 9:00 PM, annie2ka wrote:
                > Trace Digi
                > Trace Digi
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T00:40:17.140 Digipeating W4TTU-1 (WIDE2-2) via(WIDE2-2=WIDE2-1)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T00:40:17.140 Original(W4TTU-1>BEACON,WIDE2-2:!3902.63N/07722.48W&/ 30M/2M Sugarland Run VA iGate)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T00:40:17.140 Transmit(W4TTU-1>BEACON,W7KJ-15*,WIDE2-1:!3902.63N/07722.48W&/ 30M/2M Sugarland Run VA iGate)
                > DIGINOT
                >
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T00:18:51.593 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (VE7AV-4>APND14,GATE,WIDE2-1:!R3;KL/Ix]& sT)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T00:18:51.593 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (VE7AV-4>APND14,GATE,WIDE2-1:!R3;KL/Ix]& sT)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T00:25:22.515 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:=3727.43N/12153.73W-PHG3360 KAM, FT840. de Tracy overlooking silicon Valley - 30m HF)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T00:25:22.515 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:=3727.43N/12153.73W-PHG3360 KAM, FT840. de Tracy overlooking silicon Valley - 30m HF)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T00:26:21.578 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:>Tracy in Milpitas CA - w6oth@...)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T00:26:21.578 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:>Tracy in Milpitas CA - w6oth@...)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T00:27:13.781 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (K4AG>APU25N,ECHO,GATE:=2539.11N/08021.53W&So Fla Gateway)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T00:29:26.906 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (KB2ETO>APW284,GATE,WIDE:=4230.70N/07619.40WNPHG2140/New York, Tompkins, Dryden, WinAPRS 2.8.4 -284-<630>)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T00:29:26.921 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (KB2ETO>APW284,GATE,WIDE:=4230.70N/07619.40WNPHG2140/New York, Tompkins, Dryden, WinAPRS 2.8.4 -284-<630>)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T00:32:47.609 Unused Hop(WIDE3-3) Has No DigiXform in (K1CKK-1>APWW08,WIDE3-3:>030032zAPRSIS32)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T00:33:11.750 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (KB2ETO>APW284,ECHO,GATE,WIDE:=4230.70N/07619.40WNPHG2140/New York, Tompkins, Dryden, WinAPRS 2.8.4 -284-<630>)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T00:37:28.375 Unused Hop(WIDE3-3) Has No DigiXform in (K1CKK-1>APWW08,WIDE3-3:=4145.06N/07003.92W-VHF APRS Brewster,Ma)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T00:40:17.140 Already Digied (W4TTU-1>BEACON,WIDE2-2:!3902.63N/07722.48W&/ 30M/2M Sugarland Run VA iGate)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T00:52:23.531 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:>Tracy in Milpitas CA - w6oth@...)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T00:52:23.531 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:>Tracy in Milpitas CA - w6oth@...)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T00:56:32.406 Empty Path (2 Hops) in (N2TIF>APU16N::K1CKK :?APRST)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T00:56:32.421 Empty Path (2 Hops) in (N2TIF>APU16N::K1CKK :?APRST)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T00:57:00.390 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (K4AG>ID,ECHO,GATE:K4AG/R ECHO/D GATE/G K4AG-1/B)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T00:57:00.406 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (K4AG>ID,ECHO,GATE:K4AG/R ECHO/D GATE/G K4AG-1/B)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T00:57:30.718 Unused Hop(WIDE3-3) Has No DigiXform in (K1CKK-1>APWW08,WIDE3-3:=4145.06N/07003.92W-VHF APRS Brewster,Ma)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T01:05:24.500 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:>Tracy in Milpitas CA - w6oth@...)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T01:05:24.500 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:>Tracy in Milpitas CA - w6oth@...)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T01:18:24.718 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:>Tracy in Milpitas CA - w6oth@...)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T01:18:24.718 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:>Tracy in Milpitas CA - w6oth@...)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T01:22:26.656 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:=3727.43N/12153.73W-PHG3360 KAM, FT840. de Tracy overlooking silicon Valley - 30m HF)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T01:27:36.687 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (K4AG>APU25N,ECHO,GATE:>030026zSo Fla Gateway)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T01:29:49.421 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (K4AG>ID,ECHO,GATE:K4AG/R ECHO/D GATE/G K4AG-1/B)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T01:29:49.453 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (K4AG>ID,ECHO,GATE:K4AG/R ECHO/D GATE/G K4AG-1/B)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T01:31:25.421 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:>Tracy in Milpitas CA - w6oth@...)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T01:31:25.421 Unused Hop(ECHO) Has No DigiXform in (W6OTH>APZ114,ECHO,GATE,WIDE2-2:>Tracy in Milpitas CA - w6oth@...)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T01:32:49.156 All Hops Used (3/3) in (K1CKK-1>APWW08,K4AG*:>030132zAPRSIS32)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T01:34:19.593 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (KB2ETO>APW284,GATE,WIDE:=4230.70N/07619.40WNPHG2140/New York, Tompkins, Dryden, WinAPRS 2.8.4 -284-<630>)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T01:34:19.593 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (KB2ETO>APW284,GATE,WIDE:=4230.70N/07619.40WNPHG2140/New York, Tompkins, Dryden, WinAPRS 2.8.4 -284-<630>)
                > WinMain:2012-01-03T01:41:00.046 Unused Hop(GATE) Has No DigiXform in (K5RAV>ID,GATE,WIDE:K5RAV/R ECHO/D GATE/G K5RAV-1/B)
                >
                > TRANSMIT
                > 12:21.109 Transmit(IS) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1:<IGATE,MSG_CNT=0,LOC_CNT=0,DIR_CNT=0,RF_CNT=0
                > 2012-01-03T00:12:23.109 Transmit(IS+RF) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1:=4713.43N/12236.82W&FOX ISLAND, WA.
                > 2012-01-03T00:12:23.109 Transmit(INT) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1:=4713.43N/12236.82W&FOX ISLAND, WA.
                > 2012-01-03T00:12:41.500 Transmit(INT) SEWFFA>APRS,qAO,WE7U-WX:;SEWFFAa00*051200z4721.22N\12312.34WwNWS_WATCH,FLASH_FLOOD,WAC45 !w-N!{4C002
                > 2012-01-03T00:14:21.109 Transmit(INT) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1:T#465,100,048,078,500,000,10100000
                > 2012-01-03T00:19:21.125 Transmit(IS) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1:<IGATE,MSG_CNT=0,LOC_CNT=1,DIR_CNT=1,RF_CNT=1,DX=1*VE7AV-4(456mi@358°)
                > 2012-01-03T00:29:21.140 Transmit(INT) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1::W7KJ-15 :PARM.Battery,Charging/AC,GPS+Sat,A4,A5,A/C,Charging,GPS,B4,B5,B6,B7,B8
                > 2012-01-03T00:29:21.140 Transmit(INT) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1::W7KJ-15 :UNIT.Percent,Charge/On/Off,Sats/On/Off,N/A,N/A,On,Yes,On,N/A,N/A,N/A,N/A,N/A
                > 2012-01-03T00:29:21.140 Transmit(INT) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1::W7KJ-15 :EQNS.0,1,0,0,1,0,0,1,0,0,1,0,0,1,0
                > 2012-01-03T00:29:21.140 Transmit(INT) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1::W7KJ-15 :BITS.11111111,Battery State Tracking
                > 2012-01-03T00:29:21.140 Transmit(INT) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1:T#466,100,048,083,500,000,10100000
                > 2012-01-03T00:40:17.140 Transmit(RF) W4TTU-1>BEACON,W7KJ-15*,WIDE2-1:!3902.63N/07722.48W&/ 30M/2M Sugarland Run VA iGate
                > 2012-01-03T00:44:21.187 Transmit(INT) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1:T#467,100,048,088,500,000,10100000
                > 2012-01-03T00:59:21.250 Transmit(INT) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1:T#468,100,048,073,500,000,10100000
                > 2012-01-03T01:12:23.484 Transmit(IS+RF) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1:=4713.42N/12236.82W&FOX ISLAND, WA.
                > 2012-01-03T01:12:23.484 Transmit(INT) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1:=4713.42N/12236.82W&FOX ISLAND, WA.
                > 2012-01-03T01:14:21.281 Transmit(INT) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1:T#469,100,048,083,500,000,10100000
                > 2012-01-03T01:19:21.296 Transmit(IS) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1:<IGATE,MSG_CNT=0,LOC_CNT=3,DIR_CNT=3,RF_CNT=3
                > 2012-01-03T01:29:21.328 Transmit(INT) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1:T#470,100,048,078,500,000,10100000
                > 2012-01-03T01:44:21.362 Transmit(INT) W7KJ-15>APWW08,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1:T#471,100,048,088,500,000,10100000
                >
                > Looks to Digi when any hops left except for GATE and ECHO, how do
                > you configure for those two?
                > Thanks for help,explanations.
                > Ken/w7kj
                >
                > --- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)"<kj4erj@...> wrote:
                >>> You said that those lines came from the Digi(NOT) trace log. Is there
                >> anything in your enabled Digi trace log? That's where you'll see the
                >> ones that fired your<DigiXform> rule. You'd also see digipeated
                >> packets in your Transmit event log being the packets you transmit whose
                >> source call is not your own.
                >>
                >> Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32
                >>
                >
                >
                >
                >
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                >
                >
                >
              • annie2ka
                Probably not, at least I have abetter grasp of now. Thanks for all the help I have been enjoying your program. Ken/w7kj
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                  Probably not, at least I have abetter grasp of <DigiXform> now.
                  Thanks for all the help I have been enjoying your program.
                  Ken/w7kj

                  --- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)" <kj4erj@...> wrote:
                  >
                  >>
                  > First, you need to ask yourself if you SHOULD be digipeating on WIDE2-1
                  > or WIDE2-2 and/or GATE and/or ECHO. In particular, I'd think that GATE
                  > is not a request for a digipeat, but something else.
                  >
                  > >
                  >
                • Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)
                  Glad to do it. I guess according to Bob s recommendations, I really should be defaulting to the following set.
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                    Glad to do it. I guess according to Bob's recommendations, I really
                    should be defaulting to the following <DigiXform> set.

                    <DigiXform>TEMP1-1=TEMP1*</DigiXform>
                    <DigiXform>TEMP2-2=TEMP2-1</DigiXform>
                    <DigiXform>TEMP2-1=TEMP2*</DigiXform>
                    <DigiXform>TEMP3-3=TEMP3-2</DigiXform>
                    <DigiXform>TEMP3-2=TEMP3-1</DigiXform>
                    <DigiXform>TEMP3-1=TEMP3*</DigiXform>
                    (and so forth....)

                    I'm also considering adding support for n-N in some sort of shorthand
                    form when I get into the RF port work after the upcoming general release.

                    Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


                    On 1/2/2012 9:49 PM, annie2ka wrote:
                    > Probably not, at least I have abetter grasp of<DigiXform> now.
                    > Thanks for all the help I have been enjoying your program.
                    > Ken/w7kj
                    >
                    > --- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)"<kj4erj@...> wrote:
                    >> First, you need to ask yourself if you SHOULD be digipeating on WIDE2-1
                    >> or WIDE2-2 and/or GATE and/or ECHO. In particular, I'd think that GATE
                    >> is not a request for a digipeat, but something else.
                    >>
                    >
                    >
                    >
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                    >
                    > Yahoo! Groups Links
                    >
                    >
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                  • Bob Bruninga
                    ... The original idea was to have TEMPn-N digipeating in all mobiles so that they could be called on under special circumstances to fill-in digipeat by just
                    Message 9 of 10 , Jan 3, 2012
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                      > I guess according to Bob's recommendations, I really
                      > should be defaulting to the following <DigiXform> set.
                      > [to support TEMPn-N digipeating]

                      The original idea was to have TEMPn-N digipeating in all mobiles so that
                      they could be called on under special circumstances to fill-in digipeat by
                      just getting the driver to the area and he would not have to do any
                      configuration in the field. It would just work...

                      In that sense, having home stations also available in this shadow TEMPn-N
                      network is probably a good idea. I think it is a good idea but I am open
                      for discussion. The only down side I can see is that if some not-so-well
                      informed users start using it routinely, then it will be a nightmare. And
                      be difficult to shut off.

                      It's kinda like having 911. It is a really great capability... as long as
                      people only use it when needed. But a disaster when people call 911 to
                      find out the time.

                      So far, I have not heard of any abuse, nor that much use for that matter...

                      Bob, Wb4APR
                    • Andre
                      ... I think in most places a wide1-1 mobile is enough to get in the network and SSn-N to get out further when needed, especialy when you add a known mobile as
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                        Op 3-1-2012 17:04, Bob Bruninga schreef:
                         

                        > I guess according to Bob's recommendations, I really
                        > should be defaulting to the following <DigiXform> set.
                        > [to support TEMPn-N digipeating]

                        The original idea was to have TEMPn-N digipeating in all mobiles so that
                        they could be called on under special circumstances to fill-in digipeat by
                        just getting the driver to the area and he would not have to do any
                        configuration in the field. It would just work...

                        In that sense, having home stations also available in this shadow TEMPn-N
                        network is probably a good idea. I think it is a good idea but I am open
                        for discussion. The only down side I can see is that if some not-so-well
                        informed users start using it routinely, then it will be a nightmare. And
                        be difficult to shut off.

                        It's kinda like having 911. It is a really great capability... as long as
                        people only use it when needed. But a disaster when people call 911 to
                        find out the time.

                        So far, I have not heard of any abuse, nor that much use for that matter...

                        Bob, Wb4APR

                        I think in most places a wide1-1 mobile is enough to get in the network and SSn-N to get out further when needed, especialy when you add a known mobile as first digi to pick up handies so a mobile out in the woods uses a path of wide1-1,wide2-2 or wide1-1,SS5-5 and gets picked by all other mobiles involved in the event to get out, thd7, thd72 etc. use the call of the suport mobile as first call in the path like pe1rdw-9,wide1-1,wide2-2.

                        there might still be events where tempN-n is needed but you would be very far in the wilderness if that is needed.

                        73 Andre PE1RDW
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