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• Sydney, Thank you for your interesting post, several points, but I haven t had time to read through them all as it s about time to go home! Firstly Leonard
Message 1 of 4 , Nov 19, 2005
Sydney,
Thank you for your interesting post, several points, but I haven't

Firstly Leonard Cramp, I expect you've already read all his three volumes
available from www.adventuresunlimitedpress.com the first one is of course a
near reprint from 'Space Physics and Flying Saucers' (think that's the right
title) Of coures as UFO's are driven by a gravity focus above the 'device'
and so underneath the gravity will be affected as the moon influences the
tides, of course also it has rotational vectors, hence the 'Hump' and as
salt water conducts, there will be quite high currents circulating as well!
UFO's stand on legs specifically so they don't have to try and take the
ground with them. although if they take off at full power, there are
recorded instances of a monstrous hole underneath and lots of dirt / water
falling away as the craft moves off.

Leonard makes a very good explanation of this.

If a detailed film of the water rotational patterns were vailable, it would
indeed go a long way towards successful reproduction.......!

Back to the 'Great Tungusta explosion' of 1908, you may well be in error
here, I did some quite simple calculations of an Icy Chrondite about 100
yards across entering the Earth's atmosphere at upwards of 75,000 miles per
hour and stopping due to atmospheric drag in about one second, quite simple
F = MA and someone kindly allowed me a conversion from KW to Megatons. I
could only get from mass (quite enormous) to decelleration, ft Lbs / second
to horsepower 550 ft lbs second. which is 746 watts / second.

Consider even that the object only had the weight of water, cubic yard
approx. 1 ton.

The answer is indeed well into The Hiroshima Megatons range. It is
'supposed' that this amount of energy would spontaneously vaporise at about
25, 000 feet and produce that amount of superheated steam and powdered
molten rock, at the nuclear temperatures foretold.

If you read 'Nexus mag' it is told there that there is a 'device' in the
Tundra which was left by a previous 'Intelligence'(?) that powers up and
anhiilates any 'incoming' before it can strike the ground. I think 'Meteor
Crater' in Arizona, about a mile wide and several hundred feet deep was made
by an Iron Meteor which travelled at a similar speed and weighed only 100
tons on impact (someone may correct my size and speed suppositions here)

Also bear in mind that had it actually struck ground, we would have had some
very cold winters following, and it only takes an object 10 miles across to
virtually destroy our civilisation (KT boundary, Yucatan Peninsula)

I think the fragments of 'Shoemaker Levi which struck Jupiter were only a
few 10's of miles in diameter, yet the first made a 30,000 mile fireball,
that's greater than the diameter of the Earth!

I certainly believe in UFO's and maybe this link will fascinate some of you,
remember the pics are from NASA, and it's very eerie that this is virtually
foretold by Arthur C Clarke in 2001 A Space Oddysey, you will find numerous
quotations amongst the pics! http://www.enterprisemission.com/moon1.htm

Ever Onward.

Mike.

Mike. J. Furness.

-----Original Message-----
From: antigravityufotypepropulsion@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:antigravityufotypepropulsion@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
sydneystout
Sent: 19 November 2005 18:35
To: antigravityufotypepropulsion@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AntigravityUFO type Propulsion] let's not change the subject!

Hello,
the mother of all UFO crashes with energy yield of about 10MT occured
on 7/30/1908 in eastern Siberia- THIS FACT ALONE TELLS US SOMETHING OF
THE MEANS OF Propulsion. Below are some links:
Physical Influences of a UFO on Water
http://www.waterufo.net/PIufoW.php
http://www.waterufo.net/dedicationPIufoWater.php
http://www.ufoarea.com/puerto_aliens_good.html
http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1147.htm
http://www.waterufo.net/PIufoW.php
http://www.waterufo.net/dedicationPIufoWater.php
http://www.niburu.nl/index.php?showarticle.php?articleID=7652&lang=ENG
http://english.pravda.ru/society/2003/02/27/43790.html
http://www.space-2001.net/html/russia.html
http://www.bakutoday.net/view.php?d=4749

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• From Moderator: Thanks Mike for promptly bringing ever-staff s post to my attention. As soon as I saw your allert, I banned that person and removed that
Message 2 of 4 , Nov 20, 2005
From Moderator: Thanks Mike for promptly bringing "ever-staff's" post
to my attention.
As soon as I saw your allert, I banned that person and removed that
post.
I am not always as prompt as some may wish, because I am an elder of
ministry in a church, and am given to full time study, aside from my
full time occupation and being a dad and husband. I dont get here as
often as I like.

I would like to add for any skeptics; I live my life as pure and holy
as I think posible; Is that the kind of person who would perpetrate
any hoax? What benifit could there be in that, when even so much of
the christian world wants us to think aliens or ufo's are all evil
demons?

Actually most who say that are not very well informed or
narrowminded; but, as those of you who know me, I know ufos to be
real as a fact. I am not troubled by it because I am settled in the
faith. I suggest to everyone, look into the faith that comes by the
new covenant words and Spirit; This will help anyone who experiences
ufo things.

Signs and wonders were fortold to happen from the skies.

All my info is accesible through
http://www.geocities.com/ufolight

--- In antigravityufotypepropulsion@yahoogroups.com, "Mike"
<mikefurness2002@y...> wrote:
>
> Sydney,
> Thank you for your interesting post, several points, but
I haven't
>
> Firstly Leonard Cramp, I expect you've already read all his three
volumes
> available from www.adventuresunlimitedpress.com the first one is of
course a
> near reprint from 'Space Physics and Flying Saucers' (think that's
the right
> title) Of coures as UFO's are driven by a gravity focus above
the 'device'
> and so underneath the gravity will be affected as the moon
influences the
> tides, of course also it has rotational vectors, hence the 'Hump'
and as
> salt water conducts, there will be quite high currents circulating
as well!
> UFO's stand on legs specifically so they don't have to try and take
the
> ground with them. although if they take off at full power, there are
> recorded instances of a monstrous hole underneath and lots of
dirt / water
> falling away as the craft moves off.
>
> Leonard makes a very good explanation of this.
>
> If a detailed film of the water rotational patterns were vailable,
it would
> indeed go a long way towards successful reproduction.......!
>
> Back to the 'Great Tungusta explosion' of 1908, you may well be in
error
> here, I did some quite simple calculations of an Icy Chrondite
> yards across entering the Earth's atmosphere at upwards of 75,000
miles per
> hour and stopping due to atmospheric drag in about one second,
quite simple
> F = MA and someone kindly allowed me a conversion from KW to
Megatons. I
> could only get from mass (quite enormous) to decelleration, ft
Lbs / second
> to horsepower 550 ft lbs second. which is 746 watts / second.
>
> Consider even that the object only had the weight of water, cubic
yard
> approx. 1 ton.
>
> The answer is indeed well into The Hiroshima Megatons range. It is
> 'supposed' that this amount of energy would spontaneously vaporise
> 25, 000 feet and produce that amount of superheated steam and
powdered
> molten rock, at the nuclear temperatures foretold.
>
> If you read 'Nexus mag' it is told there that there is a 'device'
in the
> Tundra which was left by a previous 'Intelligence'(?) that powers
up and
> anhiilates any 'incoming' before it can strike the ground. I
think 'Meteor
> Crater' in Arizona, about a mile wide and several hundred feet deep
> by an Iron Meteor which travelled at a similar speed and weighed
only 100
> tons on impact (someone may correct my size and speed suppositions
here)
>
> Also bear in mind that had it actually struck ground, we would have
> very cold winters following, and it only takes an object 10 miles
across to
> virtually destroy our civilisation (KT boundary, Yucatan Peninsula)
>
> I think the fragments of 'Shoemaker Levi which struck Jupiter were
only a
> few 10's of miles in diameter, yet the first made a 30,000 mile
fireball,
> that's greater than the diameter of the Earth!
>
> I certainly believe in UFO's and maybe this link will fascinate
some of you,
> remember the pics are from NASA, and it's very eerie that this is
virtually
> foretold by Arthur C Clarke in 2001 A Space Oddysey, you will find
numerous
> quotations amongst the pics!
http://www.enterprisemission.com/moon1.htm
>
> Ever Onward.
>
> Mike.
>
> Mike. J. Furness.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: antigravityufotypepropulsion@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:antigravityufotypepropulsion@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
> sydneystout
> Sent: 19 November 2005 18:35
> To: antigravityufotypepropulsion@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AntigravityUFO type Propulsion] let's not change the
subject!
>
>
> Hello,
> the mother of all UFO crashes with energy yield of about 10MT
occured
> on 7/30/1908 in eastern Siberia- THIS FACT ALONE TELLS US
SOMETHING OF
> THE MEANS OF Propulsion. Below are some links:
> Physical Influences of a UFO on Water
> http://www.waterufo.net/PIufoW.php
> http://www.waterufo.net/dedicationPIufoWater.php
> http://www.ufoarea.com/puerto_aliens_good.html
> http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1147.htm
> http://www.waterufo.net/PIufoW.php
> http://www.waterufo.net/dedicationPIufoWater.php
> http://www.niburu.nl/index.php?showarticle.php?
articleID=7652&lang=ENG
> http://english.pravda.ru/society/2003/02/27/43790.html
> http://www.space-2001.net/html/russia.html
> http://www.bakutoday.net/view.php?d=4749
>
>
>
>
>
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• ARE ETs SAVING THE EARTH FROM SPACE ROCKS? WETHER OR NOT IT ALREADY HAPPENED IN 1908, IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED AT ANOTHER TIME AND IT MAY HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE;
Message 3 of 4 , Nov 22, 2005
ARE ETs SAVING THE EARTH FROM SPACE ROCKS? WETHER OR NOT IT ALREADY
HAPPENED IN 1908, IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED AT ANOTHER TIME AND IT MAY
HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE; EVEN IF NO ASTEROID/COMET WAS DEFLECTED &
DESTOYED BY ALIENS ABOVE TUNGUSKA, THE EVIDENCE STILL POINTS TO
THEIR CARFT'S CRASH, PROBABLY A HUGE "MOTHER SHIP", GIVEN THE AMOUNT
OF FORCE RELEASED-"I can make an official announcement that we were
saved by some forces of a superior civilization," he
proclaimed. "They exploded this enormous meteorite headed toward us
with tremendous speed. Now this great object that caused the
meteorite to explode is found at last."
http://www.time.com/time/columnist/jaroff/article/0,9565,688585,00.ht
ml
http://www.rense.com/general56/tungg.htm
http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/378/13705_tunguska.html
http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/Tunguska.htm
http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1719.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s1183018.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska_Event
OPPOSING VIEW:
http://www.jamesoberg.com/ufo/tungus.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5686713/
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/msg80780.html
--- In antigravityufotypepropulsion@yahoogroups.com, ufolight
>
> From Moderator: Thanks Mike for promptly bringing "ever-staff's"
post
> to my attention.
> As soon as I saw your allert, I banned that person and removed
that
> post.
> I am not always as prompt as some may wish, because I am an elder
of
> ministry in a church, and am given to full time study, aside from
my
> full time occupation and being a dad and husband. I dont get here
as
> often as I like.
>
> I would like to add for any skeptics; I live my life as pure and
holy
> as I think posible; Is that the kind of person who would
perpetrate
> any hoax? What benifit could there be in that, when even so much
of
> the christian world wants us to think aliens or ufo's are all evil
> demons?
>
> Actually most who say that are not very well informed or
> narrowminded; but, as those of you who know me, I know ufos to be
> real as a fact. I am not troubled by it because I am settled in
the
> faith. I suggest to everyone, look into the faith that comes by
the
> new covenant words and Spirit; This will help anyone who
experiences
> ufo things.
>
> Signs and wonders were fortold to happen from the skies.
>
> All my info is accesible through
> http://www.geocities.com/ufolight
>
>
> --- In antigravityufotypepropulsion@yahoogroups.com, "Mike"
> <mikefurness2002@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Sydney,
> > Thank you for your interesting post, several points,
but
> I haven't
> >
> > Firstly Leonard Cramp, I expect you've already read all his
three
> volumes
> > available from www.adventuresunlimitedpress.com the first one is
of
> course a
> > near reprint from 'Space Physics and Flying Saucers' (think
that's
> the right
> > title) Of coures as UFO's are driven by a gravity focus above
> the 'device'
> > and so underneath the gravity will be affected as the moon
> influences the
> > tides, of course also it has rotational vectors, hence
the 'Hump'
> and as
> > salt water conducts, there will be quite high currents
circulating
> as well!
> > UFO's stand on legs specifically so they don't have to try and
take
> the
> > ground with them. although if they take off at full power, there
are
> > recorded instances of a monstrous hole underneath and lots of
> dirt / water
> > falling away as the craft moves off.
> >
> > Leonard makes a very good explanation of this.
> >
> > If a detailed film of the water rotational patterns were
vailable,
> it would
> > indeed go a long way towards successful reproduction.......!
> >
> > Back to the 'Great Tungusta explosion' of 1908, you may well be
in
> error
> > here, I did some quite simple calculations of an Icy Chrondite
> > yards across entering the Earth's atmosphere at upwards of
75,000
> miles per
> > hour and stopping due to atmospheric drag in about one second,
> quite simple
> > F = MA and someone kindly allowed me a conversion from KW to
> Megatons. I
> > could only get from mass (quite enormous) to decelleration, ft
> Lbs / second
> > to horsepower 550 ft lbs second. which is 746 watts / second.
> >
> > Consider even that the object only had the weight of water,
cubic
> yard
> > approx. 1 ton.
> >
> > The answer is indeed well into The Hiroshima Megatons range. It
is
> > 'supposed' that this amount of energy would spontaneously
vaporise
> > 25, 000 feet and produce that amount of superheated steam and
> powdered
> > molten rock, at the nuclear temperatures foretold.
> >
> > If you read 'Nexus mag' it is told there that there is
a 'device'
> in the
> > Tundra which was left by a previous 'Intelligence'(?) that
powers
> up and
> > anhiilates any 'incoming' before it can strike the ground. I
> think 'Meteor
> > Crater' in Arizona, about a mile wide and several hundred feet
deep
> > by an Iron Meteor which travelled at a similar speed and weighed
> only 100
> > tons on impact (someone may correct my size and speed
suppositions
> here)
> >
> > Also bear in mind that had it actually struck ground, we would
have
> > very cold winters following, and it only takes an object 10
miles
> across to
> > virtually destroy our civilisation (KT boundary, Yucatan
Peninsula)
> >
> > I think the fragments of 'Shoemaker Levi which struck Jupiter
were
> only a
> > few 10's of miles in diameter, yet the first made a 30,000 mile
> fireball,
> > that's greater than the diameter of the Earth!
> >
> > I certainly believe in UFO's and maybe this link will fascinate
> some of you,
> > remember the pics are from NASA, and it's very eerie that this
is
> virtually
> > foretold by Arthur C Clarke in 2001 A Space Oddysey, you will
find
> numerous
> > quotations amongst the pics!
> http://www.enterprisemission.com/moon1.htm
> >
> > Ever Onward.
> >
> > Mike.
> >
> > Mike. J. Furness.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: antigravityufotypepropulsion@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:antigravityufotypepropulsion@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
> > sydneystout
> > Sent: 19 November 2005 18:35
> > To: antigravityufotypepropulsion@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [AntigravityUFO type Propulsion] let's not change the
> subject!
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> > the mother of all UFO crashes with energy yield of about 10MT
> occured
> > on 7/30/1908 in eastern Siberia- THIS FACT ALONE TELLS US
> SOMETHING OF
> > THE MEANS OF Propulsion. Below are some links:
> > Physical Influences of a UFO on Water
> > http://www.waterufo.net/PIufoW.php
> > http://www.waterufo.net/dedicationPIufoWater.php
> > http://www.ufoarea.com/puerto_aliens_good.html
> > http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1147.htm
> > http://www.waterufo.net/PIufoW.php
> > http://www.waterufo.net/dedicationPIufoWater.php
> > http://www.niburu.nl/index.php?showarticle.php?
> articleID=7652&lang=ENG
> > http://english.pravda.ru/society/2003/02/27/43790.html
> > http://www.space-2001.net/html/russia.html
> > http://www.bakutoday.net/view.php?d=4749
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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