Thank you Jeff, I do enjoy being shown different ways of seeing
rather than the original thought I first got from that verse.
There is a lot of scripture supporting your view, God gave us a
mind, and we know our mind works best not locked up in a box.
Someday, I will be able to complete a protype of the antigravity
devise I know of; then though, a lot of changes in occupations will
have to be trained for, for example, the trucking industry will
dramaticly change, that's just one example of thousands.
But I know we humans are very resorceful, and we dont have to be
afraid of change.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org
, "Jeff Foss"
> "It is appointed to every man Once to die and after this the
judgment" pertains to death to sin--not physical death.
> A great diamond and ruling head with the Lord is made over 7,000
years, polished and buffed, tried and retried. Grace is a free gift
but our application of righteousness is made over time so we are fit
as the Nobility and Cocreatorship which is not attained during our
meager 80 +- years. It would be narcissistic to think we rate as The
Nobility in such a short amount of time. Further, Christendom was
not made to suit this world. We are not chosen so we can be better
stewards of sin, greed and lovelessness or just here to learn how to
cope with it better. But we are coming to the time when all that
will be done away with for forever, thank you God!, which will be at
the "second death." The saints also take part in this with Him and
rule on many things--a pretty weighty task to put on an upstart.
Interesting thoughts otherwise.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ginny <marycozzens@w...>
> To: email@example.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 11:10 AM
> Subject: [AntigravityUFO type Propulsion] Re: Deja-vu
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, ufolight
> .> wrote:
> > This is very significant subject.
> > Example: I was sitting this evening, watching a sci/fi
> > PAX; at the beginning of the movie, I had recall of, well I'll
> > describe it, in a moment.
> > At the end of the movie the human looking ailen from the
> > PAX was explaining: The universe is expanding and contracting
> > and over endlessly (this is a revelation that I received during
> > time of info flooding me, that the big bang is but a meer glimpse
> > what is has been and wiil be going on. That the big picture shows
> > universe as a breathing lung, in-out-in-out etc. etc.)
> > He explained that upon the repeat expansion, we go through
> > same things we have gone through each time it expands. The
> > being, we can take the chance to right wrongs done the last time
> > through. We get the opportunity to bring heaven on earth , in
> > WELL ! I said I would describe in a moment what I was
> > the beginning of the movie.
> > I recalled a very strange and real event in Oct 82. I was on
> > singles retreat near camp David in upstate Maryland. I the
> > after the gals went to their sleeping quarters, and the gents
> > likewise to ours; I had this awesome flash of vision/memory, of
> > having stolen a watch and feeling remorse, was hiding in the
> > the dark. When I saw this vision, I went out to the den to read
> > bible, trying to escape sleep, so to avoid doing what I saw in
> > vision/recall.
> > Eventually I went to sleep. I awake in the morning to hear a
> > announce "where is my watch" I was so frightened, not knowing
> > might have done, I lay the faking sleep, untill I heard someone
> > they found it.
> > This event was more real than I think I can or have described
> > you. I know the bible says it is appointed to every man Once to
> > and after this the judgement; And so I tend to shrug off the
> > of reincarnation, but I think something different is in play here.
> Yes Maurice, but what did that 'death' passage mean? This is a deep
> , and it is good to keep an open mind abot it. I have a few
criptures you mi=
> ght ponder in this regard;
> Matthew 16:13-20
> 13 And Jesus came into the quarters of Cesarea Philippi: and he
asked his d=
> isciples, saying: Whom do men say that the Son of man is? 14 But
they said: =
> Some John the Baptist, and other some Elias, and others Jeremias,
or one of =
> the prophets. 15 Jesus saith to them: But whom do you say that I
am? 16 Simo=
> n Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living
God. 17 An=
> d Jesus answering said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona:
> sh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in
> 8 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will
> church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And
I will g=
> ive to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou
> d upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou
> ose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven. 20 Then he
commanded his di=
> sciples, that they should tell no one that he was Jesus the Christ.
> The Douay-Rheims Bible
> in the above passage, Jesus did not tell them that belief in
> is wrong, but he focused on the fact that Peter reconized him as
the Son of =
> Matthew 17:1-13
> 1 And after six days Jesus taketh unto him Peter and James, and
John his br=
> other, and bringeth them up into a high mountain apart: 2 And he
> gured before them. And his face did shine as the sun: and his
> e white as snow. 3 And behold there appeared to them Moses and
> with him. 4 And Peter answering, said to Jesus: Lord, it is good
for us to =
> be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles, one for
> one for Moses, and one for Elias. 5 And as he was yet speaking,
behold a br=
> ight cloud overshadowed them. And lo a voice out of the cloud,
saying: This =
> is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased: hear ye him. 6 And
> es hearing fell upon their face, and were very much afraid. 7 And
> and touched them: and said to them: Arise, and fear not. 8 And they
> up their eyes, saw no one, but only Jesus. 9 And as they came down
> mountain, Jesus charged them, saying: Tell the vision to no man,
till the S=
> on of man be risen from the dead. 10 And his disciples asked him,
> y then do the scribes say that Elias must come first? 11 But he
> aid to them: Elias indeed shall come, and restore all things. 12
But I say t=
> o you, that Elias is already come, and they knew him not, But have
> him whatsoever they had a mind. So also the Son of man shall suffer
> em. 13 Then the disciples understood, that he had spoken to them of
> The Douay-Rheims Bible
> in that passage, we see that 2 people who have died in the flesh,
> ries prior to this event, are walking and talking with Jesus, AND
they are r=
> ecognized by the disciples. When we die, just our physical body
dies, we con=
> Again, the FOCUS is placed on the Son of God. Little is said of
those who v=
> isited from the afterlife.
> these 4 verses tell of a "Second Death"
> Re 2:11 -
> He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the
> that shall overcome shall not be hurt by the second death.
> Re 20:6 -
> Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection. In
> he second death hath no power. But they shall be priests of God and
> t: and shall reign with him a thousand years.
> Re 20:14 -
> And hell and death were cast into the pool of fire. This is the
> Re 21:8 -
> But the fearful and unbelieving and the abominable and murderers
> ongers and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, they shall have
> ion in the pool burning with fire and brimstone, which is the
second death. =
> The Douay-Rheims Bible
> Clearly, there is more to death than ceasing to exist, and we are
> to focus on Christ. Reincarnation is a real possibility, and the
> s did believe in it, as long as our focus on the important matter
of Christ =
> is not disturbed, pondering other possibilities is alright.
> you continued....
> > I need to grasp onto sound minded doctrine while remaining
> > open minded, while not neglecting God's word; that's not a simple
> > thing.
> I agree, not at all simple!
> then you said...
> > Finally; the alien from K-PAX said he traveled by light, in a
> > way we can not know yet, we would kill ourselves with it; There
> > have it, The core central point of the antigravity propulsion I
> > shown is LIGHT !
> > A serious point we we need to grasp IS about the FTL factor.
> > Going faster than light, is , going faster than the speed we
> > measured it at, we measure based upon our observible methods,
> > is not bound by our puny human abilities to see. Actually there
> > limit to light's speed.
> another thing we might consider...
> bi-location. We can be in 2 or more places at once.
> that's enough to keep us scratching our heads for a while eh????
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