Within the Box of Materialistic
- Griselda wrote:
> That bullshit about call for love...c'mon!!!!Even if it is afucking call for love, nothing, I MEAN NOTHING!!!can reasonably
explain making this call by using a child. Maybe you're trying to
find a way to understand child abusers but, look, the best way is
this one, by some Tibetan dude: "No one in his right mind would
knowingly harm another human being." So, there it is, they are FUCKED
UP IN THE HEAD. Period. And they have to pay for their fucked up ways
Yes, I agree. It's fucked up. People suffer incredibly. The person
who does the act should face what he's done, should make right what
he'd made wrong. And that's not possible to take back the error, to
undo the pain. He's in an impossible situation. I'm just not sure how
best to deal with him, after the fact. Old Testament said eye for an
eye, or stoning or burning at the stake or whatever. Jesus said he
came to fulfill the law: Love God and love your brother as yourself.
So how can the victims and the loved ones and society that surrounds
them respond to this hideous offense in a way that loves their
brother as themselves? Do we strike back at those who are out of
their right minds? Does that help?
When I was little, I accidentally released the break on my dad's
spiffy little sports car and it rolled down into another car and got
a dent at the tip of the front of its carefully restored body. I
blamed it on my cousin who was younger and couldn't even defend
herself. My parents believed me. I carried this guilt to maturity,
when a number of years later, I felt so horrible about not only the
accident I caused by about lying that I suddenly confessed one day to
my mother. She didn't punish me as she could see I'd punished myself
enough. My question here is what will heal the best for everyone?
Attacking back? That sounds like more negative force, and we know we
don't like negative forces coming our way. Do we want to justify
serving them up to others?
>I were you, I would throw that book or whatever where you got thisretarded idea of only two kinds of acts, "give love and call for
love" in the fucking trash. And take a dump on top of it.
This feels like attacking me back for my being out of my right mind.
And being attacked doesn't feel like a solution. It feels bad to my
heart. I feel betrayed, when I wanted to do something good and it
turned bad, and now I feel I'm being slammed. I hear that you are
asking for me to be sensitive to you and I haven't been, so you are
now being insensitive to me as recompense. Doesn't feel healing.
Maybe it's tough love healing. Maybe that's what I needed to hear.
> doesn't make sense!!! I mean, even in the simplest level!!Like, forinstance, mailing a bill, what is this? Give or call for love? Taking
a piss? Putting my socks on? And don't go on trying to make it all
relative "oh well if the bill is to pay for a gift for somebody blah
blah blah". No, some acts are NOT a call for love or a love gift.
Period. Again, too much goody goody silly stuff has the same
potential of fucking up your head as too much of the opposite, you
I'm sorry if what I've said has offended you. I didn't mean to do
that. These kinds of thoughts have been interesting to me and have
felt right in a simple and profound way to me. But it doesn't speak
to you, so I've missed the mark. The mark I was after was a place
where we could meet beyond suffering and blame and rage and
counterattack. A place of healing where we can embrace in some kind
of remembered relief. A place where we really can see our brothers
and sisters as ourselves and can share the responsibility for being
in this world together where the worst kinds of things happen as well
as the most wonderful kinds of things happen and where can create
more of the latter.
I failed. I keep open for not failing.
- Steve wrote> wrote:
Look, I don't want to let this long e-mail you wrote
me pass unoticed so I'm writing you now but the fact
is, and I hope you get it this time, I already wrote
about all the points you brought up here again in my
previous e-mails on the subject. I mean, my opinion is
there if you're interested, just read them again. It
seems you want to go on about this stuff and I hope
you find others interested in doing so, but I am not.
I have never been abused or raped and I feel all I had
to say on this subject for the moment is already out
there. So, please just drop it (with me, I mean). And
no need to write me again apologizing or anything.
Really, no need. I'll see you around, probably in
some lighter threads, ok?
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