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    Steiner, agiin. In a lecture given to the workers he was asked about the same question that has giiven fire to Ivan s mindgame .he simply answered that if
    Message 1 of 2 , Nov 2 12:09 AM
      Steiner, agiin.
       In a lecture given to the workers he was asked about the same question that has giiven fire to Ivan's mindgame .he simply answered that if x-people are  on earth at a due moment in time is enough that  y (who was not in the earth at this moment) and z (the same) will be back in anew life all together to create a change in earth'spopulation level.
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      /lecture before. But this is far more explicit than the one I found.
      I can only add that times have since developed (or deteriorated) - from the time this statement was made, some 4 billions of people (?) have been born, e.g. in Steiner's time he mentions 1 billion people that inhabit the earth..
      Also, the cast-down demon clans have had enough time to do some "research work" too. They had time to implant themselves deeper into the "humans", possess them, take over control as much as they could, help them building up a world-view of a demonic kind etc.
      So, they are not only among us, but inside many of "us".
      We better start seeing with our spirit - who is belonging to us, and who is not.
      And regarding half-truths we better take them away from "bad sources" and we better take the half of the truth from HItler and see there are classes of humans in broader sense of meaning - and not the races - that make them come into 3 categories: Those that build culture, those that maintain it, and those that destroy.
      Humans build culture, the innocent can only maintain it and the astral-fixed are destroying it constantly.
      One may proclaim "all humans are born equal" as stated in the declarations of UN and US. That is the same kind of half truth that Onkel Adolf has proclaimed: The other half of the racial theory.
      Both are lethal weapons of ethical mass destruction when taken - exclusively - without the other part.
      Moreover, the paranoid insistence on pure doctrinal lines of thought is producing a spiritual China-Wall. We may then say that "our way is the best and the only" as the modern american (read US) false prophets all insist, from AMWAY (sic!) to scientology.
      Someone pursuing her/his own genuine spiritual path should safeguard from such unscientific non-senses. Free thinking exactly means breaking out of boundaries, prejudices and confines of a system.
      It is sad when you inside a group that claims to be spiritual find hostile emotions towards other ways of thinking as systems or towards other religions. It is even sadder when you see that critic comes from a human who has no bad intentions at all but follows the group-mind trend of taking other creeds for lower then - Christianity.
      In this last case I am talking about the exrpessed loathing in one of recent mailings towards Shaivism, Shiva and Shivalinga. If the author had had a chance to gather any serious knowledge of the themes he is speaking about he hadn't talk like that. It is pretty funny once you know the Personalities behind the divine game - to say bad words about the One of the Highest Trinity while pretending to follow His Servant, namely Vishvakarman or popularily, Christ.
      But these are the direct consequences of doctrinal exclusivism and the play with glass pearls, e.g. exhange of thoughts that come not into action and remain futile and infertile inside the castle walls.
      That is also one of the reasons those that have knowledge need go out among the wolves, rather than to play social games inside a closed group. One learns not only from Angels, but from demons as well. What is vita contemplativa without vita activa?
      My respect,
      P.S.Besides, it is of the interest of the astral-fixed or egoless members of one group to keep negativity towards other groups or negativity of any sort. It is even greater fun for them, to "simply have fun" and entertain exchanges of thoughs that lead to no action and have no meaning. Because, while engaging in thought-plays the dangerous anthroposofhists are dissenged from fulfilling their mission.
      Jan <starbirdgarden@...> wrote:
      Speaking of population growth in lecture 13 of The Book of Revelation and
      the work of the Priest Steiner says

      "Well first of all the facts are not quite what they seem because the
      statistics are based on errors; statistical comparisons never refer to the
      earth as a whole but only to parts, and one forgets that at other times
      different parts of the earth were more densely populated than they are
      today.  So the details are not always quite correct, but taken as a whole it
      is correct to say that in our time certain supernumerary people are
      appearing who have no 'I' and are therefore not human beings in the full
      sense of the word.  This is a terrible truth.  They go about but are not
      incarnated 'I's; they take their place in physical heredity, receive an
      ether body and an astral body and in a sense become equipped inwardly with
      an ahrimanic consciousness.  They appear to be human if you do not look  too
      closely yet they are not human beings in the full sense of the word.  This
      is a terrible truth but it is a fact.  The apocalyptist is pointing directly
      at human beings themselves when he speaks about the age of the fifth
      trumpet.  Once again we can recognize the apocalyptist by the manner of his
      vision.  In their astral body such people appear just as the apocalyptist
      describes them: like etheric locusts with human faces.  It is definitely
      necessary for us to think in this way about such supersensible matters and
      for priests to know these things.  A priest is a shepherd of souls.  He must
      be able to find words for everything that goes on in such a soul.  These are
      not necessarily always evil souls; they may merely be souls that develop  as
      far as the soul realm but lack an 'I'.  One is sure to notice if one comes
      across such a person, and the priest must know about it for it will have a
      bearing on the quality of communion in his congregation.  Above all, people
      who have healthy souls suffer as a consequence of those who go about as
      human locusts.  So the question can arise, and indeed must arise, as to how
      one should behave towards such people." end quote

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