Re: Rép. : [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Full Circle II
- Danny wrote:
> :O:))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) and you have
> You Dottie . . . have done a *Great Research*! :)
been a great collaborator:)
I am going to resend my post on Magdalene because I forgot to spell
check my speed typing:)))) Thank goodness I am not a secretary, whew.
Here is the Lilith: but also look for a new post on Lucifer that I
believe will speak to this Lilith/Lucifer ascension.
Paths of the Christian Mysteries: Virginia Sease and Manfred-Schmidt
Brabant: The Asuras is lecture one and is written by Mr. Brabant:
page 13 - 15
"The Queen of Sheba has not only been honoured; from the earliest of
times the Queen of Sheba has been subject to terrible slander. This
begins already in Judaism and radiates out even into the present.
These slanders are based on the mistaken notion that she is a demon,
a spectral being that strangles children, ensnares men - a terrible
sexual demon; that she is the notorious Lilith, 'Adam's first wife'.
But knowledge of Lilith has existed from as early as the year 3000
BC, two thousand year before the Queen of Sheba.
In the second epoc, in the Hyperborian epoch, the human being was an
adrogymous, bisexual being. Legend says that Adam and Lilith had
grown together, so to speak, bafck to back. This does not suit
Lilith. One day she tears herself loose, grows wings, flies into the
wilderness, and becomes a demon. It is said that every day she has
hundreds of chidlren with Lucifer, but that she immediately strangles
them all. What remains of Adam sits there and laments. God takes pity
on him and creates Eve for him from his rib. Now Lilith becomes
jealous; leaving Adam is one thing, but his having a new wife is
another thing entirely! Thus she unites herself with Lucifer, and
together the two of t hem slip into Paradise in the shape of a snake.
They temp Eve and, through her, Adam as well. This is the legend as
D: Holy cow. I had not read this part yet. It is confirmed that
Lucifer and Lilith were the snake as one. Oh boy my life does not get
any sweeter than this. Sorry I will move on.
" Extraordinarily complex and significant facts are concealed behind
this legend. When the human form came over from the Old Moon, one
might say it had already developed the physical body, the ether body,
and the astral bod at an earlier stage. As the Earth now begins, the
activity of particular spirits-the archai, the spirits of personality-
enters into the picture. They take a portion of the astral body,
separate it off, and create the foundations of the soul so that the
current members of our soul-the sentient soul, the intellectual soul,
the consciousness soul. They create these foundations of the soul so
that from teh Lemurian epoch onwards the human being becomes capable
of incorporating an ego into this soul foundation. However, at the
time of the Earth's beginning there were archai that had been left
behind, that had not ascended during the normal developement-the so
called asuras. These asuras also create human astrality, also create
a soul structure, but this soul structure cannot incorporate a human
ego. It can live in human bodies, but is is incapable of
incorporating a human ego. These egoless soul forms, these soul forms
that cannot be used by an ego, have a particular affinity to
sexuality. Rudolf Steiner says this quite emphatically. The highest
spirit of the asuras is Lilith. Lilith is the all inclusive name, the
consciousness name, for these asuras."
D: Yeah I kind of don't like this in a way. It seems to me that if
we hold that Lucifer sacraficed himself by holding back wouldn't be a
part of that combo as well? Didn't she sacrafice for the rest of us
who were told to move on? And wouldn't that mean we could not leave
her under any circumstances to her own? Well hopefully my next post
on Lucifer will address her as well.
" Now it is simply not the case that we are continuing to postulate a
confusion between the Queen of Sheba and Liilth merely as an
intellectual exercize as is done even in modern literature. Something
is actually taking place in the spiritual world. The fact is that the
Lilith-Asura figure continually tries to put herself in the place of
the Queen of Sheba which is to say in the place of the being for whom
the Queen of Sheba was the bearer. How is this possible?
The Queen of Sheba is a lofty being, one of the kyriotetes, a spirit
of wisdom; Lilith is only an archai, which is a much lower level
within the hierarchies. And here we speak of the secret that will
permeate us right into the present time, permeate us into our soul-
physical and spiritual existance.
Lilith can place herself at the same level as, and in opposition to,
the Queen of Sheba because she (Lilith) is permeated by the most
powerful force of evil present in our universe-Sorat, the sun demon.
He is a being that comes from outside our time and space, a being
from beyond our universe. Sorat is a spiritual power that denies the
entire meaning of our evolution from Saturn to Vulcan, and wants to
negate this evolution. The meaning of our evolution rests in the
possibility of beings aquiring the ability to say, 'Not I, but the
Christ in me.' However, in order to accomplish this an ego must have
become so strong that it can make of itself a vessel, that it can
withdraw itself so that it surrenders its egoism, and yet remains an
ego that carries the Christ. Sorat wants to destroy all egohood.
Lucifer wants to possess the ego for his own purposes; Ahriman wants
to win the human ego for himself; the Sorat being wants to demolish
egohood. The Sorat being works principally through what the demon of
love is -the opposing demon, sexuality htat has turned demonic. When
Rudolf Steiner once spoke on this, he said, 'And in much of what ...
is sensuality, we can already see the grotesque flickering of hell.'
Imagine what he might say today! We are so influenced by a Sorat-
infected shaping of public opinion that we hardly notice any more
what is actually taking place. From this we see that the egoless
mistress of the soul, Lilith, wants to take the place of the true,
ego-endowed soul of mankind".
D: So there it is. I think there is something amiss. :) don't really
wnat to get started again so I am just gonna take it easy. But, ...
well I am not going there today.
All good things,