Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Moltke "initiated" WWI ?
- At 00:57 02.06.2004, Bradford wrote to Eric:
>Therefore Eric; Presenting your latest intellectual soul research isA valid point which points to the difference between religious beliefs and
>wonderful and I am proud of you. But don't come around here and start
>mouthing off on how you can push aside Ahrimanic forces as some petty
>rubbish connected to tarot cards and star gazing.
trance mediums on the one hand, and initiation science on the other. In
initiation science, Spiritual Science, ahrimanic and luciferic forces are
to be regarded in a vein similar to that of positive and negative
electricity. There was a time when electricity was science fiction and wild
fantasy to ordinary people, and talk about negative and positive charges
could be construed as an attempt to spread false religion, heresy. So when
anthroposophists talk about ahrimanic and luciferic forces, it may
justifiably be called heresy, but what needs to be kept in mind is that in
our day and age, heresy is not only legal, but a civil right, a human
right. Those who refuse to respect and honor this right are not primarily
offending the heretics, who are accustomed to scorn; they are selling
themselves short by refusing to learn about new ideas and new directions
with significant importance for the future.
About the case at hand: I am not going to comment on a book I have not
read, which is written by a professor who is perhaps a specialist on 20th
century political and military history. I will only point out that history
professors don't always agree; their interpretations and conclusions
differ. And if what Eric has posted to this list is a true reflection of
David Fromkin's opinion, I would check a second and a third opinion before
venturing my own. You don't have to be a physician to ask for a second
opinion if the first expert does not convince you.
I cannot find the article about Moltke and Steiner I was looking for, so
I've sent the word out, hoping someone may enlighten us about the matter.
What I do seem to recall from reading about this, is that Moltke did have
the information about how the Great War started, about all those
misunderstandings and blunders that led to the catastrophe. And someone had
the idea of publishing Moltke's information in order to clear Germany of
the charge of having started the war.
There are mayn psople in the West who have been saying that Germany started
two world wars. That is a very strong accusation against one nation. They
did start the second world war by obeying and following Hitler, but I'm
inclined to believe that the catastrophe of the Nazi explosion and Hitler,
the curse of Germany, was a madness that resulted directly from the awful
injustice imposed upon Germany after the first war, based upon the false
accusation that Germany was responsible for that war. Fals accusations and
gross injustice can make people very irrational when pushed to the limit.
Just look at the Palestinians, whose suffering under the heel of a brutal
occupant for half a century has given birth to suicide missions in crowded
shopping malls. That's insanity that's becoming a cultural tradition. It is
our responsibility, therefore, to recognize injustice and oppression
wherever it is taking place. And if the curse that hit Germany in the
1930's from within was a direct result of oppression and injustice from the
international community after the first war based upon false accusations,
it is our sacred duty to recognize the true relationship between cause and
effect in history. This is something that cannot be taken lightly, and
history cannot be revised through the publication of one book alone,
regardless of how accredited the author may be.
Tarjei Straume wrote:
Another clown is back with his one-track-mind about RS being ignorant about
who was responsible for the outbreak of WW I and about Andrea and myself
lying about his own posts.
I an AT message dated Tuesday, 05 Oct 2004, Eric told the following story
about the Goethanum and Anthroposophy Tomorrow:
"No wonder when I called the Goetheanum office ten minutes ago and after
being handed around twice, someone told me this list is considered by
Anthroposophists to be one for "crackpots" ! "
Thank you for letting us know what attracts you to this group. It takes one
to know one, obviously. But are you sure they didn't call *you* a crackpot
after handing you around twice as you say, and that you imagined they were
talking about someone else?
Gisele, didn't you visit the Goethanum right after that post was made and
expose the ramblings of this space cadet?
~~~~Yeah, I felt almost embarrassed by the looks they gave me like:"What is she on about?" - they had no idea of what Eric was talking about, never heard of this list either...
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