R: R: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Moltke, who wrote he started "initiated" WWI
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: Re: R: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Moltke, who wrote he started "initiated"
So you deny the facts, and replace them by a religious/spiritual `
Well since you, after reading my comment, talk about "religious-spiritual
beliefs" and since you did not "show your credtentials" about Anthroposophy
as I was asking you (I'm ready to give mine) I have to argue that you
have no knowledge about Anthroposophy.
So AT is an anthro-list and to create some fruitful exchange it is
necessary that the mates got , at least, a basic knowledge of Anthroposophic
And what are we talkin about, if we have no common ground at all?
We can only post about our disagreement about everething!
I see no use in it.
In my opinion , you can freely choose another place for your historical
mumbles and I can stop here to answering your post.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "VALENTINA BRUNETTI"
> Andrea comments,
> if we try to grasp the spiritual background of the outer events we
> by Steiner to pay attention to the inner "state of consciousness"
> political bosses of the age.
> Inside such a inner world we can grasp the work of the
> Those powers since 1840s onwards were trying to take under their
> "occult revolution" that was taking place by the means of streams
> Neo-Hermeticism (Golden Dawn and HBL)- somehow linked with
> Freemasonry ceremonialism - and Blavatskian Theosophy. In the
> there were a powerful increase of Spiritic "seances" , one of the
> by which the Hindrance's Powers try to enter our world. In such a
> spiritual atmosphere and in spite of the stunning efforts of
> Steiner to heal it is not difficult to understand that the
> of the age, most of all somehow involved in the Occult mainstream,
> a conscious joining of the Esoteric societies, were ready to begin
> Ahriman's puppets.
> And if we study the Historical facts from such a standpoint we can
> around evidences of the above.
> We can also grasp how Steiner was able to deeply look into such a
> background and how and why he tried to rebuild the whole social
> the age
> Most of all he was also able to grasp what will be happen if the
> not stopped with no winner at all : the end of Central Europe and
> Advent of the Beast in 1933.
> This is what really matters as the core of 1914-1918 events.
> This is what all the one-sided. materialistic brainwashed of
every colour ,
> political ,cultural and esoteric stream fail to understand.
> ----- Original Message ----- Franz Ferdinand and his wife were
> on 28 June 1914 in
> Sarajevo by members of a Serbian secret society. The assassination
> was the outward event which triggered the war.
> Page 134 `And the German Empire?' The `second' German Empire was
> founded on 18 January 1871 through the efforts of its chancellor,
> Otto von Bismarck. On that date, King Wilhelm I of Prussia was
> proclaimed Emperor of Germany in the Hall of Mirrors at Versailles.
> Page 135 `social reforms' - During the period 1883 to 1889 Bismarck
> had enacted various such reforms, which went far beyond anything
> known at that time in other countries. They included compulsory
> insurance for old-age sickness, accidents and incapacity and they
> were operated by the state, but financed by employees and
> Such reforms had the effect of dampening the workers' enthusiasm
> extreme socialism but, at the same time, increased their faith in
> the state as protector.
> Page 135 `the decisive events in Berlin'. The memoirs of General
> Helmuth von Moltke, Chief of the German General Staff at the
> outbreak of the war, were ready for publication in May 1919. Von
> Moltke describes the German Government's attitude at that time,
> especially on 31 July and 1 August 1914: `The atmosphere grew
> steadily more tense and I was completely alone.' Then he was told
> the Kaiser, `So now you can do whatever you want.' Rudolf Steiner
> wrote in a commentary: `So there it was: the Chief of the General
> Staff stood completely alone. Due to the fact that German policy
> reached the zero-point, Europe's destiny on 31 July and 1 August
> rested in the hands of a man who was obliged to do his military
> duty.' (Vorbemerkungen zu Die Schuld am Krieg, Betrachtungen und
> Erinnerungen des Generalstabschefs H. von Moltke.) Aufsätze über
> Dreigliederung des Sozialen Organismus. This `military duty'
> involved implementing the German army's predetermined war-plan,
> prepared by von Moltke's predecessor General Schlieffen, which
> provided for the domination of France before invading Russia.
> was to be attacked through Belgium and Holland. Von Moltke modified
> the plan to the extent that Holland was omitted. His memoirs were
> suppressed in 1919, but Rudolf Steiner, who was personally
> acquainted with him, was familiar with their contents. In an
> interview which appeared in the French newspaper Le Matin in
> 1921, Steiner said that the memoirs should have been published in
> 1919, but they were suppressed because of fear on the part of the
> authorities. `Why this fear? These memoirs are in no way an
> accusation against the imperial government. Something else is
> involved, which is perhaps even worse: that this imperial
> found itself in a state of complete confusion and under an
> incredibly frivolous and ignorant leadership.' Jules Sauerman's
> interview with Dr. Rudolf Steiner on the unpublished memoirs of the
> late Chief of the German General Staff von Moltke. ibid.
> Page 137 `The author ... attempted to make known ...' Steiner wrote
> memoranda directed to leading government circles in Germany and
> Austria which contained his ideas concerning the way these
> could act in a manner which would have been beneficial to
> and the world. Count Otto Lerchenfeld brought a memorandum to the
> German state secretary Kuhlman among others, and Count Ludwig
> Hoditz to his brother, Austria's chief cabinet officer. The
> memoranda were not published during Steiner's lifetime. They are
> included in Aufsätze über die Dreigliederung des Sozialen
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