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  • winters_diana
    Thanks for the link, Bradford. I had already managed to find it (google never lets me down). I thought I remembered reading this in some other context
    Message 1 of 49 , May 1, 2004
      Thanks for the link, Bradford. I had already managed to find it
      (google never lets me down). I thought I remembered reading this in
      some other context (synchronicity, eh).

      You snipped a nice paragraph, after the guy says, "'We're not
      talking about race as a genetic situation, we're talking about it as
      a marker" in order to jump quickly to an apparently opposing
      view: "Others, however, firmly maintain that taking race into
      account could improve diagnosis and treatment of disease" etc. When
      I examined what you snipped, I was not surprised to find that it
      elaborates on how race is essentially a marker. Here's the missing

      "Joseph Graves Jr, Professor of Evolutionary Biology at the
      University of Arizona in Phoenix, goes even further, saying that
      physicians should not use skin colour to diagnose and treat
      individuals, but only family history. 'What most people would
      describe as African American, 80% of that individual's genes
      originate somewhere in Africa. But others with the same appearance
      might have inherited varying amounts of genes from American Indians,
      Europeans and Africans,' Graves said. 'African Americans do have
      unique health needs,' he acknowledges, but he also felt that the
      complex interaction between socioeconomic and environmental
      conditions contributed more than genetics. For instance, 90% of
      Africans in Nigeria have the 235T mutation in the ACE gene locus—a
      marker for hypertension—but only 10% actually have hypertension.
      Compare that with 85% of African Americans with the mutation, and
      over 30% who have the disease, Graves pointed out. Scientists like
      Saunders may thus be reaching the right answer for the wrong reason,
      he suggested. Saunders concluded that taking race into account in
      diagnosing and treating disease could be useful but also dangerous
      when attributing health aspects to race and genetics 'when we just
      don't know.'"

      The paragraph that followed, to recap, was this:
      "Others, however, firmly maintain that taking race into account could
      improve diagnosis and treatment of disease. Physician and ethicist
      Sally Satel, in her article 'I am a Racially Profiling Doctor' in The
      New York Times Magazine, builds a case that taking into account the
      skin colour of her patients improves her diagnosis and treatment.
      When prescribing Prozac, for example, she starts an African American
      patient on a lower dose than a white patient, 'in part because
      clinical experience and pharmacological research show that many
      blacks metabolise antidepressants more slowly than Caucasians and
      Asians. As a result, levels of the medication can build up and make
      side-effects more likely.' Skin colour itself is not the issue, Satel
      explains, but 'the evolutionary history indicated by skin colour.'"

      So Satel herself is actually using race, or rather, skin color, as a
      marker. The dissenters are essentially fighting with a straw man. No
      one (well, few people) really disagree that race can and should be
      used in medicine. As a marker. That's really what those insisting
      race be taken into account are saying anyway. The guy says, it's a
      system we can function in even if we don't believe it (I lost this
      precise quote). It has its purposes – it's the closest we can get,
      at the moment, with certain things we don't understand the causes or
      true origins of. I doubt, somehow, that science is going to end up
      realizing it was "racial character" they were getting at all along.
      Things like, sickle cell as an adaptation to malaria, are much more
      helpful in figuring out the "why" and the "how to treat" for most
    • Gisele
      ~~~~Once again, Bradford, hats off to a great posting! Gix holderlin66 wrote: Sovereignty in Iraq is a catch phrase, a lot of hot air
      Message 49 of 49 , Jun 10, 2004
        ~~~~Once again, Bradford, hats off to a great posting!

        holderlin66 <holderlin66@...> wrote:
        Sovereignty in Iraq is a catch phrase, a lot of hot air meaning one
        thing and one thing only, Karl Rove and Bush machine stay in power.
        American Press is so Orwellian that they cannot just tell you the way
        it really is. The way it really is, for Spiritual Science, is that
        control over the Iraqi corporate state by the U.S. is not something
        that will be withdrawn anytime soon.

        Iraq and new U.N. guidelines for Iraq does not allow Iraq to
        determine it's own destiny. The shift of some 40 odd, billion dollar
        military bases in Iraq, making them, staffing them, getting them up
        and running, certainly prevents anyone from getting the water and
        electricity running in Iraq. That has always been a secondary focus,
        the primary focus was secure the oil contracts and economy of the
        future Iraq and while the hot lava sucker money is flowing like a
        bleeder from America, get the bases on-line. Sucker, Sucker, Sucker
        and Sucker is what we should be saying to ourselves in the West over
        and over again.

        The Interim council are a collection of hand picks from the Bremmer
        dictatorship and finally, Negroponte is going to open the biggest CIA
        spy house in the middle East, called an "American Embassy". From here
        massive worm holes and underground fissures in the entire middle east
        system will be linked with Israel's band of idiots. This is why we
        have to understand the Arabism that has arrived again through the
        U.S. as a new form of Intellectual Soul epidemic. It is a virus that
        brings dishonesty, changes brotherhood to avarice and corporate
        whoredom. It makes Babylon ripe for becoming the Great Whore. No,
        stupid, I mean take it seriously. The Great Whore is an infected
        disease that corrupts Corporations world wide and every little slimy
        intellect trained to suck ass on Wall street. It is an Ahrimanic
        infection, do you get it yet?

        Go ahead, tell me about Soverignty, get all warm and fuzzy about
        Sovereignty for me. Sovereignty is where the I Am, free of egregorial
        and elemental beasties, like briars, that lodged themselves in
        Luciferic and Ahrimanic portions of the untransformed soul, can with
        self conscious, self correction and esoteric discipline, look at
        itself with objectivity.

        Sovereignty is having an active conscience that has the mobility to
        not be part of the Orders from above and military boyscout training
        wheels that allows anti-human actions to betray exactly what Freedom
        in the World and freedom for America used to stand for. Sovereignty
        is not walking around taking orders from Judaism, Islam or phony
        fundamental christian morons who either want Armageddon or revenge.

        Sovereignty is putting a line item, line by line cost effective
        breakdown of exactly what this is costing the U.S. and the world in
        billions, aid to whole starving countries, to what schools, teachers
        salaries, new energy research that shakes us free of oil; or, phony
        homeland security itself could do with the wasted billions that serve
        the darker instincts of failed patriotism and obvious demonic
        political machinations. We can start there with Sovereignty. Now all
        of this practical data is also occult schooling. Schooling that aims
        at the Philosophy of Freedom training of knowing your motives and
        using the great Greek method of esoteric discipline, known as Know
        Thyself. Steiner gave that as a gift. What I bring here practical
        common sense indications of understanding basic Ahrimanic

        Two of my favorite books: 1- Marie Corelli, "Dream of the World's
        Tragedy" and 2- "The Mysterious Stranger" by Mark Twain. In "The
        Mysterious Stranger" you get, once again, a chance for student of
        Spiritual Science to study exact occult insights into Ahrimanic
        Symptomology and the ideas here added in a study of the epidemic of
        the Great Satan.

        holderlin previously wrote:

        "America as it sweeps over the globe is updating everyone and some
        religious groups reluctantly.The Information Age and the
        new "Gattica" and "Blade Runner" and the SUV Age is considered by
        some to be an unholy nightmare. Enough so that Iran and Islam can
        call America the Great Satan. This compares to a new form of
        culturally epidemic disease of politics divorced from brotherhood
        sweeping toward the Islamics. Our word is not good enough, neither
        are contracts and lies, which is bearing down in the old market
        places that you can still visit in Damascus. In Islam there are
        etheric repititions of prayer nearly five times a day and a general
        Luciferic astral refusal to come to terms with the Ahrimanic
        onslaught coming out of the west."

        Contracts, lies and Corporate Porno:


        Ralph Nader: First of all, we have been supporting despots,
        dictators, and oligarchs in all those states for a variety of
        purposes. We supported Saddam Hussein. He was our anti-Communist
        dictator until 1990. It's also cultural; they see corporate culture
        as abandoning the restraints on personal behavior dictated by their
        religion and culture. Our corporate pornography and anything-goes
        values are profoundly offensive to them.

        The other thing is that we are supporting the Israeli military regime
        with billions of dollars and ignoring both the Israeli peace
        movement, which is very substantial, and the Palestinian peace
        movement. They see a nuclear-armed Israel that could wipe out the
        Middle East in a weekend if it wanted to.

        RN: The subservience of our congressional and White House puppets to
        Israeli military policy has been consistent. Until '91, any dictator
        who was anti-Communist was our ally.

        PB: You used the term "congressional puppets." Did John Kerry show
        himself to be a congressional puppet when he voted to give the
        president a blank check to go to war?

        RN: They're almost all puppets. There are two sets: Congressional
        puppets and White House puppets. When the chief puppeteer comes to
        Washington, the puppets prance.

        PB: Why do both sets of puppets, support the Sharon/Likud policies in
        the Middle East rather than the peace movement candidates and leaders
        in Israel?

        RN: That is a good question because the peace movement is broad
        indeed. They just put 120,000 people in a square in Tel Aviv. They
        are composed of former government ministers, existing and former
        members of the Knesset, former generals, former combat veterans,
        former heads of internal security, people from all backgrounds. It is
        not any fringe movement.

        The answer to your question is that instead of focusing on how to
        bring a peaceful settlement, both parties concede their independent
        judgment to the pro-Israeli lobbies in this country because they
        perceive them as determining the margin in some state elections and
        as sources of funding. They don't appear to agree with Tom Friedman,
        who wrote that memorable phrase, "Ariel Sharon has Arafat under house
        arrest in Ramallah and Bush under house arrest in the Oval Office."

        RN: Under my proposal there would be an international peacekeeping
        force, and the withdrawal would be a smart withdrawal during which
        there are internationally supervised elections. We would have both
        military and corporate withdrawal because the Iraqi people see the
        corporations are beginning to take over their economy, including
        their oil resources. And we would continue humanitarian assistance
        until the Iraqi people get on their feet. We would bring to the
        forefront during the election autonomies for Kurds, Sunnis, and
        Shi'ites. So this would not be like a withdrawal in Vietnam where we
        just barely got out with the helicopters.

        TAC: You often mention corporations. What is the theory behind this
        or what are the alternatives to corporate economic power? I presume
        you are not talking about state ownership or socialism, or perhaps
        you are …

        RN: Well, that is what representative government is for, to
        counteract the excesses of the monied interests, as Thomas Jefferson
        said. Because big business realizes that the main countervailing
        force against their excesses and abuses is government, their goal has
        been to take over the government, and they do this with money and
        politics. They do it by putting their top officials at the Pentagon,
        Treasury, and Federal Reserve, and they do it by providing job
        opportunities to retiring members of Congress. They have law firms
        that draft legislation and think-tanks that provide ready-made
        speeches. They also do it by threatening to leave the country. The
        quickest way to bring a member of Congress to his or her knees is by
        shifting industries abroad.

        Concentrated corporate power violates many principles of capitalism.
        For example, under capitalism, owners control their property. Under
        multinational corporations, the shareholders don't control their
        corporation. Under capitalism, if you can't make the market respond,
        you sink. Under big business, you don't go bankrupt; you go to
        Washington for a bailout. Under capitalism, there is supposed to be
        freedom of contract. When was the last time you negotiated a contract
        with banks or auto dealers? They are all fine-print contracts. The
        law of contracts has been wiped out for 99 percent of contracts that
        ordinary consumers sign on to. Capitalism is supposed to be based on
        law and order. Corporations get away with corporate crime, fraud, and
        abuse. And finally, capitalism is premised on a level playing field;
        the most meritorious is supposed to win. Tell that to a small
        inventor or a small business up against McDonald's or a software
        programmer up against Microsoft.

        Giant multinational corporations have no allegiance to any country or
        community other than to control them or abandon them. So what we have
        now is the merger of big business and big government to further
        subsidize costs or eliminate risks or guarantee profits by our

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