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Re: Sister's Progress And Relapses (was: Hatred, Untruthfulness, and Alzheimer)

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  • Myla Robert LeMaster-Gruber
    The reference to being raped was going too far, man.
    Message 1 of 17 , Apr 2, 2012
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      The reference to being raped was going too far, man.

      --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "elfuncle" <elfuncle@...> wrote:
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      > Our Beloved Sister is suffering a severe, albeit temporary, setback;
      > she's backsliding a little. With such tremendous progress she's been
      > making lately, this is not unexpected. Nobody ascends in a straight
      > line, like in a linear diagonal:
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > In real life we all have our ups and downs, our good days and bad days:
      >
      >
      >
      > I must have hit some nail too hard on the head in one of my last posts,
      > because the viper is biting hard this time, ouch! -- characterized by
      > severe paranoia:
      >
      > "Tarjei: "I've been sayhing all along that our Beloved Sister ought
      > to suspend her studies of Steiner a tad"
      >
      > That's what your recent psychotic outbursts are all about, isn't
      > it? That's why you've got to "love" me endlessly, you
      > don't like it that I am studying Steiner. That deserves your scorn.
      > I see. But I'm the one driven by "hate"? Look in the mirror,
      > or in the reflective surface of Saturn, which is supposed to reflect
      > everything back to you."
      >
      > Sweet, sweet Sister, you didn't read my statement in full:
      >
      > "But we're here to help, aren't we? We're here to love and assist;
      > that's what Lovathons are all about. I've been saying all along that our
      > Beloved Sister ought to suspend her studies of Steiner a tad and
      > concentrate at this stage on Biblical Christianity as a primary
      > foundation for anthroposophical Christology and cosmology, which she may
      > pick up again later, illumined by her Biblical studies. And I've always
      > said she ought to focus especially on the apostle Paul: His epistles and
      > the Book of Acts." (My emphasis)
      >
      > You see, some people use Goethe as a foundation for Steiner; others
      > choose Blavatsky, but those authors may be heavy (especially Blavatsky),
      > and nobody has explained the Mystery of Golgotha clearer than the
      > apostle Paul. Our Bewloved Sister may have a strong aversion to Paul
      > because of something that happened to her in the Middle Ages, perhaps in
      > a dark and scary church with sinister ministers, and this may be the
      > reason for this sudden backsliding, but if she can overcome this,
      > salvation and bliss is beckoning her.
      >
      > It's also very disturbing that she sees hate as love and love as hate,
      > as if she carries the symptoms of Orwellian brainwashing: WAR IS PEACE,
      > FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, and IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH. This means we still have
      > a lot of work to do with Sister, but like Paul said, love suffereth
      > long, and is kind, envieth not, vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
      > seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil, rejoiceth
      > not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth.
      >
      > And Brother Frank, throwing those four letter words around like that
      > isn't helping. Use words of loving kindness, holy and sacred and divine
      > words that the higher hierarchies would like to hear and see. When I
      > just wrote some truth too hard for Sister and her friend Alicia to bear
      > -- she says this forum is sick and vile and "an embarrassment to
      > anthroposophy," which is a positive thing coming from her -- it was like
      > sticking my finger into a hornet's nest. The hornets are like extreme
      > wasps, and wasps are almost like bees, and bees make sweet honey. Let's
      > help the Sugar Cherubs change their hornet's nest into a beehive so they
      > can make sweet and tasty honey like they're supposed to.
      >
      > Our Lovathon continues!
      >
      >
      >
      > Tarjei
      >
      >
      > --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Thomas Smith"
      > <fts.trasla@> wrote:
      > >
      > > --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "ted.wrinch"
      > ted.wrinch@ wrote:
      > > >
      > > > "On the other hand, the karma of untruthfulness, especially
      > deliberate, calculating and spiritually harmful untruthfulness with
      > oneself at the center of attention, may also cause Alzheimer I believe."
      > >
      > > And I think that both of you guys should finally learn the axiom:
      > "Don't fuck with Diana!"
      > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/waldorf-critics/message/23588
      > >
      > > Frank
      > >
      >
    • elfuncle
      ... What reference to being raped? What am I missing here? Tarjei
      Message 2 of 17 , Apr 2, 2012
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        --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "Myla Robert LeMaster-Gruber" <mylalemaster@...> wrote:
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        > The reference to being raped was going too far, man.


        What reference to being raped? What am I missing here?

        Tarjei
      • elfuncle
        I ve get it, Myla. I wrote: Our Beloved Sister may have a strong aversion to Paul because of something that happened to her in the Middle Ages, perhaps in a
        Message 3 of 17 , Apr 2, 2012
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          I've get it, Myla. I wrote:

          "Our Beloved Sister may have a strong aversion to Paul because of something that happened to her in the Middle Ages, perhaps in a dark and scary church with sinister ministers, and this may be the reason for this sudden backsliding, but if she can overcome this, salvation and bliss is beckoning her."

          In the Middle Ages there were inquisitions in Europe, and anti-heresy campaigns. Some people were burned at the stake in worst case scenarios, but they were relatively few, and witch-burning didn't really become an epidemic until the 17th century, in the Modern Age. But it was unlawful for any Christian to be a heretic. (Non-Christians, especially Jews, were exempt.) The clergy roaming the countryside to investigate reports and rumors of heresy could immensely feared. I don't know why our Beloved Sister has such a very bad attitude about medieval Europe, but she may have been a heretic. The most horrible thing the church fathers did in the early Middle Ages was the murder of Hypatia in March 415, which Steiner described in terrible detail. the Hypatia individuality lived in the 19th century as Helena Blavatsky, and her strong antipathy against Christianity was probably due to how she had died in her former existence. The Hypatia/Blavatsky individuality was an occultist, however, a very gifted clairvoyant in both of these incarnations, so she has nothing to do with our Beloved Sister.

          Still, my mention of medieval sinister ministers was meant to to hint at heresy, inquisition, church authority, correct theological beliefs and so on, and perhaps being questioned by them in dark church basements, but I didn't think about rape at all. Your mind is even dirtier than Frank's!

          Tarjei


          --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "elfuncle" <elfuncle@...> wrote:
          >
          >
          > --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "Myla Robert
          > LeMaster-Gruber" mylalemaster@ wrote:
          > >
          > > The reference to being raped was going too far, man.
          >
          > What reference to being raped? What am I missing here?
          >
          > Tarjei
          >

        • Myla Robert LeMaster-Gruber
          Tarjei, I see... I try kind-of hard to give people the benefit of the doubt, especially these days; so I am sorry if and apparently for misunderstanding you. I
          Message 4 of 17 , Apr 2, 2012
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            Tarjei,
            I see...
            I try kind-of hard to give people the benefit of the doubt, especially these days; so I am sorry if and apparently for misunderstanding you.

            I wasn't being dirty, in any event.

            Myla

            --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "elfuncle" <elfuncle@...> wrote:
            >
            > I've get it, Myla. I wrote:
            >
            > "Our Beloved Sister may have a strong aversion to Paul because of
            > something that happened to her in the Middle Ages, perhaps in a dark and
            > scary church with sinister ministers, and this may be the reason for
            > this sudden backsliding, but if she can overcome this, salvation and
            > bliss is beckoning her."
            >
            > In the Middle Ages there were inquisitions in Europe, and anti-heresy
            > campaigns. Some people were burned at the stake in worst case scenarios,
            > but they were relatively few, and witch-burning didn't really become an
            > epidemic until the 17th century, in the Modern Age. But it was unlawful
            > for any Christian to be a heretic. (Non-Christians, especially Jews,
            > were exempt.) The clergy roaming the countryside to investigate reports
            > and rumors of heresy could immensely feared. I don't know why our
            > Beloved Sister has such a very bad attitude about medieval Europe, but
            > she may have been a heretic. The most horrible thing the church fathers
            > did in the early Middle Ages was the murder of Hypatia in March 415,
            > which Steiner described in terrible detail. the Hypatia individuality
            > lived in the 19th century as Helena Blavatsky, and her strong antipathy
            > against Christianity was probably due to how she had died in her former
            > existence. The Hypatia/Blavatsky individuality was an occultist,
            > however, a very gifted clairvoyant in both of these incarnations, so she
            > has nothing to do with our Beloved Sister.
            >
            > Still, my mention of medieval sinister ministers was meant to to hint at
            > heresy, inquisition, church authority, correct theological beliefs and
            > so on, and perhaps being questioned by them in dark church basements,
            > but I didn't think about rape at all. Your mind is even dirtier than
            > Frank's!
            >
            > Tarjei
            >
            >
            > --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "elfuncle" <elfuncle@>
            > wrote:
            > >
            > >
            > > --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "Myla Robert
            > > LeMaster-Gruber" mylalemaster@ wrote:
            > > >
            > > > The reference to being raped was going too far, man.
            > >
            > > What reference to being raped? What am I missing here?
            > >
            > > Tarjei
            > >
            >
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