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  • ted.wrinch
    If you ever consider debating him, you ll have to learn his game first, and then develop your own counter-game. That s exactly what I did when I was over
    Message 1 of 3 , Jan 16, 2012
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      "If you ever consider debating him, you'll have to learn his game first, and then develop your own counter-game."

      That's exactly what I did when I was over there. I understand him and his game and he can't play it any more. All I do is step by step demolish his case. It's a big one, he's been building it for over a decade, but it's only got so many parts and one only needs so many steps to do so. Many ism are gone ('Orientalism'; 'Nationaislim'; 'Organisicm'…); many no doubt are still to go.

      "He barely knows what words really mean, but he knows how to play them and change their superficial meanings at the wink of an eye, when you're not looking."

      I agree that he has little understanding of words, believing that they are pawns in a game of politics, the politics of meaning and knowledge. However, meaning itself has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with *truth*. I've never been very good at or interested in politics, which is one reason I got made a fool of and out manoeuvred when I first joined the circus over on WC. But, in the end, the games stop working and the person following the dull, trustworthy path of truth is left to continue. Responding to Der Staudi's politicised, polemicised game-playing distortions of truth with just the facts and the argument bored the pants off everyone. The dullness is why I got booted, not for any of the reasons Dugan gave. Boredom was winning, beating Der Staudi's hot, colourful polemics; Dugan knew this and so I had to go.

      "And stop reacting as if PS means anything at all with what he writes. That's a huge mistake, and it's also Dan Dugan's tragedy. DD is probably the only true believer in Sugarland -- someone who believes in the Staudenmaier ism-myths lock, stock and barrel."

      No, meaning is not his forte. I don't assume that; instead my aim is to expose the game, demolish his case. Dugan in my view has so little idea of anything that what he does or does not believe of Der Staudi's games really isn't very relevant to anything. I would say Diana is more damaged by Der Staudi, as he appeals to her sense of intellectual superiority and pedantry, and she could rise above that.


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      Ted Wrinch

      --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "elfuncle" <elfuncle@...> wrote:
      >
      >
      > --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "ted.wrinch"
      > <ted.wrinch@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Another of Der Staudi's 'preferred myths' is that Steiner's 3-fold
      > idea is 'organicist'; he usually expresses this notion in a context
      > where he can then say it's similar to the Fascist idea of the state
      > (sometimes he uses the word 'corporatist' for the same idea). The
      > implication is supposed to be that the individual is subsumed under the
      > idea of the state. What does Steiner think about this?
      >
      > Steiner wouldn't know, because he didn't hang out in casinos. You see,
      > "organicist" is another ist, isn't it? And so is "fascist" or
      > "esotericist". It reminds me of a line that one of The Three Stooges
      > says to one of the others in an old flick, "You need to have an optimist
      > take a look at your eyes." You've got ists and you've got isms. They're
      > only words, of course, but this is how Peter Staudenmaier plays them --
      > You see, Ted, you'll never ever finish with this dude, because he is a
      > magician, probably self-trained, who is doing all his tricks with words.
      > If you ever consider debating him, you'll have to learn his game first,
      > and then develop your own counter-game. It will take a lifetime.
      >
      >
      > Imagine a shoe with six decks of cards -- it's the kind they use for
      > Blackjack in casinos to make it extremely difficult for card counters to
      > follow. But imagine for a moment that each of these cards -- that would
      > be 52 X 6 = 312 cards -- contains an ist- or an ism-word. You would have
      > organism, organist, organicist, optometrist, optometry, optimist,
      > optimism and so on. In addition, imagine additional sets of six deck
      > card shoes behind the curtains, backstage, with other types of words on
      > them, like one with ologies and ologists, linked to an additional set
      > with y-words like history, geography, geology, astronomy and so on.
      >
      >
      > This is how Peter Staudenmaier plays his games. He's using hat tricks,
      > pulling rabbits out of it, he has his famous one with stuffing as many
      > anti-Semites as he can into a Volkswagen beetle, and he is an excellent
      > now-you-see-it-now-you-don't sleight of hand.
      >
      >
      >
      > But look, his real game, his favorite game, the game he's really playing
      > while pretending to play something else -- this is not a card game, nor
      > is it chess or dice or anything like that -- it's ping pong!! Yep, he
      > told me so himself. That's why he'll always hit the ball right back at
      > you. This may make him a decent tennis player, but cards and dice and
      > such are his enemies unless he can cheat somehow by pinning words on
      > them, because he is very good with words. He barely knows what words
      > really mean, but he knows how to play them and change their superficial
      > meanings at the wink of an eye, when you're not looking.
      >
      >
      >
      > So when Peter Staudenmaker performs as a magician and does all kinds of
      > incredible tricks with his cards,he is only able to recognize them by
      > the words attached to them. He wouldn't recognize the difference between
      > a Jack of Diamonds and a Duce of Spades at face value, but he does
      > understand the words "fascist" and "esotericist", and by attaching such
      > words to every card in each of the six decks, he is capable of playing
      > them.
      >
      >
      >
      > Below is a six deck automatic shuffler -- you'd better get one of those
      > if you're playing Staudenmaier. And stop reacting as if PS means
      > anything at all with what he writes. That's a huge mistake, and it's
      > also Dan Dugan's tragedy. DD is probably the only true believer in
      > Sugarland -- someone who believes in the Staudenmaier ism-myths lock,
      > stock and barrel.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Tarjei
      >
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