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  • val2160
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/8357523/Pope-Jews-not- to-blame-for-death-of-Christ.html
    Message 1 of 22 , Mar 4 8:17 AM
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      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/8357523/Pope-Jews-not-to-blame-for-death-of-Christ.html

      The Pope has exonerated the Jewish people for the death of Christ, insisting that they must not be collectively blamed for his death.

      Pope: Jews not to blame for death of Christ
       

    • val2160
      [Pope Benedict XVI says only a few temple leaders and supporters were responsible for the crucifixion of Jesus.] Pope Benedict XVI says only a few temple
      Message 2 of 22 , Mar 4 8:23 AM
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        Pope Benedict XVI says only a few temple leaders and supporters were responsible for the crucifixion of Jesus.

        Pope Benedict XVI says only a few temple leaders and supporters were responsible for the crucifixion of Jesus.

        http://www.freep.com/article/20110303/NEWS07/103030560/1008/NEWS06/Pope-s-book-says-Jewish-people-were-not-responsible-Jesus-crucifixion?odyssey=mod_sectionstories

      • Charlotte Cowell
        Gosh, this strikes me as both incredibly bizarre and weirdly pertinent, but then I ve never been one of those Christians that held a grudge against Jews for
        Message 3 of 22 , Mar 4 8:38 AM
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          Gosh, this strikes me as both incredibly bizarre and weirdly pertinent, but then I've never been one of those Christians that held a grudge against Jews for any reason, far from it.....perhaps he's hoping this will give the rest a chance to feel the same?

          Strange times

          Cx

          --- On Fri, 4/3/11, val2160 <wdenval@...> wrote:

          From: val2160 <wdenval@...>
          Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Today's News
          To: anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Friday, 4 March, 2011, 16:17

           

          http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/8357523/Pope-Jews-not-to-blame-for-death-of-Christ.html

          The Pope has exonerated the Jewish people for the death of Christ, insisting that they must not be collectively blamed for his death.

          Pope: Jews not to blame for death of Christ
           


        • DB
          well that only took 1,978 years to figure out.... DB
          Message 4 of 22 , Mar 4 1:19 PM
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            well that only took 1,978  years to figure out....

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            The Pope has exonerated the Jewish people for the death of Christ, insisting that they must not be collectively blamed for his death.


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          • Kim Graae Munch
            And seen from an esoteric view, most have been incarnated otherwere and have found Christ there. ... From: anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com
            Message 5 of 22 , Mar 5 5:02 AM
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              And seen from an esoteric view, most have been incarnated otherwere and have found Christ there.
               
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              well that only took 1,978  years to figure out....

              DB

               

              The Pope has exonerated the Jewish people for the death of Christ, insisting that they must not be collectively blamed for his death.


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            • fs13997
              But, of course, the Romans were not responsible! In fact, Pilate tried as hard as he could - caring much more about his own life - not to proceed as the
              Message 6 of 22 , Mar 5 1:45 PM
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                But, of course, the Romans were not responsible! In fact, Pilate tried as hard as he could - caring much more about his own life - not to proceed as the Sinhedrin was pushing him to do. And the fact the the crowd chose a delinquent, simply shows how easily the crowds can be manipulated and how irrelevant is the crowd's choice. Knowledge has always been the pertinent domain of the most advanced individualities as well as access to such knowledge is restricted to those few that are able to overcome the difficult esoteric training and the related trials.
                Steiner explained that the matter related to the Gods, not to men. It was a godly matter (not that human beings are not Gods) and had to resolved in the arena of the Gods. Humans were basically spectators. In the end, even Judas was forgiven, according to Maitre Philippe, who claimed to have been one of the closest disciples himself.
                The task for all humans will be to be able to experience the event of the appearance in the etheric, for there is no way that evolution may proceed without the connection with the highest of all the Gods.
                So, what the Pope says is totally irrelevant, because it should have an esoteric support. Otherwise is not worth more that any other commercial or advertisement. This is what distinguishes the esoteric from the exoteric, i.e. the Church, Lady Gaga, or Wall Street.

                --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, Charlotte Cowell <charlottecowell@...> wrote:
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              • ted.wrinch
                Over in the Hole, Tom s response to that is: Now who are you going to blame, Ted Wrinch . As you know Tom, my position from when I first posted to the Hole on
                Message 7 of 22 , Mar 5 11:38 PM
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                  Over in the Hole, Tom's response to that is: 'Now who are you going to blame, Ted Wrinch'. As you know Tom, my position from when I first posted to the Hole on this topic, over two years ago, has been the same as the position just attributed to the Pope - it's not the Jews. In fact I said then (and several times subsequently, to refute the prof's slurs) that if anyone was to blame we all were. How did you miss that, Tom? Are you perhaps enjoying a bit of duplicity, like the prof? But my position, and it seems that of the the Pope, is the opposite of the prof's, who holds that the indictment of Christ in the New Testament is an anti-Semitic forgery. But the Hole is also the Toilet and of course we expect the prof to chime in with: 'Ted can still reliably blame me, as the personification of the Christ-killing…". Hard to believe these are the words of a professor responsible for teaching the young…But I don't care about the prof's 'Christ-killing…', and instead note that he is still the same liar and spirit scoffer that he was when I first posted to the Toilet.

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                  Ted Wrinch

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                • val2160
                  ... blame, Ted Wrinch . As you know Tom, my position from when I first posted to the Hole on this topic, over two years ago, has been the same as the position
                  Message 8 of 22 , Mar 6 8:07 AM
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                    --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "ted.wrinch"
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                    > Over in the Hole, Tom's response to that is: 'Now who are you going to
                    blame, Ted Wrinch'. As you know Tom, my position from when I first
                    posted to the Hole on this topic, over two years ago, has been the same
                    as the position just attributed to the Pope - it's not the Jews. In fact
                    I said then (and several times subsequently, to refute the prof's slurs)
                    that if anyone was to blame we all were. How did you miss that, Tom? Are
                    you perhaps enjoying a bit of duplicity, like the prof? But my position,
                    and it seems that of the the Pope, is the opposite of the prof's, who
                    holds that the indictment of Christ in the New Testament is an
                    anti-Semitic forgery. But the Hole is also the Toilet and of course we
                    expect the prof to chime in with: 'Ted can still reliably blame me, as
                    the personification of the Christ-killing…". Hard to believe these
                    are the words of a professor responsible for teaching the young…But
                    I don't care about the prof's 'Christ-killing…', and instead note
                    that he is still the same liar and spirit scoffer that he was when I
                    first posted to the Toilet.
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                    It's an interesting state of affairs, I'd say, when the Pope tells us
                    that the Jewish people's presence at the crucifixion does not qualify
                    as an historical fact and the Professor tells us that you may consider
                    him as the personification of Christ. Amen Brother.-Val


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                  • Frank Thomas Smith
                    ... A couple of thousands of years from now a pope will write a book absolving the Mexican drug cartels of their sins because during those strange times they
                    Message 9 of 22 , Mar 7 5:07 AM
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                      --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, Charlotte Cowell <charlottecowell@...> wrote:
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                      A couple of thousands of years from now a pope will write a book absolving the Mexican drug cartels of their sins because during those "strange times" they rescued the Church---financially.
                      http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/07/world/americas/07church.html?_r=1&hp
                      Frank




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                    • Charlotte Cowell
                      well I m not quite so cynical about the Pope as a lot of people on here seem to be - pope bashing seems to be the trend of the day and has little to do with
                      Message 10 of 22 , Mar 7 5:23 AM
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                        well I'm not quite so cynical about the Pope as a lot of people on here seem to be - pope bashing seems to be the trend of the day and has little to do with true spirituality - but I do understand why that sentiment has arisen. Benedict I think has more charisma than he is given credit for, I changed my opinion of him after seeing him in person, and I actually think that any religious orthodox organisation has its 'issues', let's say, although they also serve useful social functions.

                        You can pick any exoteric denomination, catholic protestant, Judaic, Islamic - even anthroposophic as some members here recently pointed out - and you can find both abuses and - on the other hand - signs of the divine presence. Jerusalem itself is the same - on one level it's a harsh, commercialised city of traders that's' absolutely rife with religious intolerance (hatred, even) and holier-than-thou-ness, and yet one cannot enter the city without finding one's self being a pilgrim and ultimately becoming more fully conscious of the glory of God. As to whether all roads lead to Rome, I think that is indeed debatable, I would rather see a genuine fusion between the churches of Peter and John, why do any Christians argue amongst themselves when it is such anathema to the spirit and word of the Lord?

                        One's personal relationship with Christ is paramount IMO but churches/temples and the group environment can provide solace and certainly the buildings themselves do.

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                        From: Frank Thomas Smith <fts.trasla@...>
                        Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Today's News
                        To: anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com
                        Date: Monday, 7 March, 2011, 13:07

                         



                        --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, Charlotte Cowell <charlottecowell@...> wrote:
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                        > Gosh, this strikes me as both incredibly bizarre and weirdly pertinent, but then I've never been one of those Christians that held a grudge against Jews for any reason, far from it.....perhaps he's hoping this will give the rest a chance to feel the same?
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                        A couple of thousands of years from now a pope will write a book absolving the Mexican drug cartels of their sins because during those "strange times" they rescued the Church---financially.
                        http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/07/world/americas/07church.html?_r=1&hp
                        Frank

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                      • val2160
                        ... and have ... Physical presence at the crucifixion would influence one s ability to find Christ in future incarnations.-Val ... insisting
                        Message 11 of 22 , Mar 7 6:54 AM
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                          --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "Kim Graae Munch"
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                          Physical presence at the crucifixion would influence one's ability to
                          find Christ in future incarnations.-Val


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