Survivors escaped from Steiner's horrors (was: When Pied Pipers play history)
- The Waldorf Survivors who managed to escape and find refuge underground in the Unthinkable Facility refuse to tell how they pulled off this incredible stunt of survival; they're stonewalling the topic by going off about language again and PS' opinions about Caesar's faulty battle memories. But we want to know the sensational untold story from those who were assumed dead in Steiner's hidden horror vaults, and also where that memorial is located in the memory of those who didn't make it, so we can also participate in honoring the Waldorf Dead.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "elfuncle" <elfuncle@...> wrote:
> Instead of playing historian by simply echoing the mad ramblings of the
> Pied Piper, Diana Winters should rather describe the Great Escape from
> Steiner's Dungeon of Horrors. Could be a bestseller, or at least a
> captivating documentary episode in I Should Have Been Dead on the
> Discovery Channel. How they avoided being killed by the anthros when
> they were held captives by the cult, perhaps by playing dead, how they
> succeeded in their break or how they were miraculously rescued by a swat
> team. The Waldorf Survivors with scars to prove their ordeals, they
> should have been dead and yet they clung to life. And every year they
> should honor a memorial for those who didn't make it because they were
> sacrificed to Lucifer or chanted to insanity and suicide by the anthros.
> One of the most astonishing survivor tales ever told; the world is
> waiting, and Diana should write it.
> --- In email@example.com, "elfuncle" elfuncle@
> > PS' remark is fascinating:
> > "I don't think Tarjei made it up, however. I think he either
> > misunderstood the exchange at the time or misremembered it a decade
> > later."
> > This is exactly how he explains away most of Rudolf Steiner's
> > autobiography: He didn't lie or make things up, he just didn't
> > after all those years. And in the same fashion, he can proceed with
> > historical documents. Herodotus, Tacitus, whoever -- they all had bad
> > memories and didn't get it right, so PS can play Shakespeare with
> > Caesar, who probably misremembered the Gallic War completely because
> > too many blows to his head on the battlefield. So by ascribing
> > to his sources, he feels free to write imaginative fiction, call it
> > historical revisionism, and explain that "this is how historians
> > Or if they weren't senile, they simply misunderstood what was
> > And this is the type of nonsense those nitwits endure year after year
> > the name of ideology, hostility and whining because they're bitter
> > Waldorf survivors who were rescued from Steiner's basements after
> > tortured and starved and sexually abused and forced to chant hymns to
> > Lucifer while being waterboarded.
> > PS' first reaction was trying to sidestep the issue by focusing on my
> > English, which is not really supposed to be clear or articulate for a
> > Scandinavian. Notice that they never comment on Zooey's English. She's
> > Swedish, writes good English, but because she's a holegirl she's off
> > limits for comments relating to language, spelling, syntax and things
> > like that -- comments intended to draw the reader's attention away
> > an argument or point that may be embarrassing to the author of the
> > That's why they pick on language. Whether the remarks are positive or
> > negative is of no consequence. It's meant to be a distraction by
> > shifting the focus from what has been written to how it was written.
> > It's a violation of hole-rules and should earn the offender a week on
> > the bench because it's totally off topic and besides it's ad linguem
> > which is the younger sibling of ad hominem, but here DD's double
> > standard kicks in, doesn't it?
> > Tarjei
> > --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "elfuncle" elfuncle@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I wrote to Frank:
> > >
> > > > And here's something for the holefolks to sink their teeth into:
> > > Dugan said to me many years ago that I DARED NOT <sic> take the
> > > "Aryan" in my mouth (or in my pen, on my keyboard, take your pick),
> > > I'm doing it in very big letters with the next installment of "The
> > Great
> > > Initiates" by Édouard Schuré (1889). Let them eat their hearts
> > out
> > > and keep spitting against the wind ;)
> > >
> > > Mr. Mellett has tried to make a sensational circus out of this in
> > > Unthinkable Facility, and the person referred to by Ted as The Pied
> > > Piper -- a title introduced by Dottie, I believe -- has chimed in.
> > > DD has forgotten this exchange, but PS, who always insists upon
> > > historical accuracy(!), says it probably didn't happen. In other
> > words,
> > > I'm making it up. Not surprising though, because PS has so little
> > > respect for people's memories that he thinks Rudolf Steiner made
> > things
> > > up in his autobiography because he didn't remember his youth as
> > > accurately as PS knows about it.
> > >
> > > Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 01:09:09 -0700
> > > From: Dan Dugan (dan dandugan.com)
> > > Subject: Re: Give me that old time religion?
> > >
> > > To re-connect this theory conveniently with Waldorf, the sub-races
> > > the Aryan root race (notice that Tarjei dares not speak its name)
> > listed
> > > above are the framework for ancient history in the fifth and sixth
> > > grades of all Waldorf schools, public and private.
> > >
> > > -Dan Dugan
> > >
> > > I seem to recall a follow-up to this later on -- and my memory is
> > > usually pretty good -- where DD came across a little stronger and
> > > at least one word in capital letters (indicated by my remark to
> > > above), but I would leave that research to professional historians
> > > need to exercise their skills with online archives.
> > >
> > > Yours for research, history, archives and memory,
> > >
> > > Tarjei
> > >
- Happy, merry, jolly Christmas day to you, Frank -- and to everybody else here. Yes, the Pythagoras chapter is the best in this book by Schuré, I think too.
Incidentally, the original files (ms word docs and tif images) are up until James has downloaded them for the RS Archive after the holidays:
--- In email@example.com, "Frank Thomas Smith" <fts.trasla@...> wrote:
> Ok, thanks Tarjei. I may include the Pythagoras chapter in the next - or future - Southern Cross Review.
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "elfuncle" <elfuncle@> wrote:
> > This volume is now on the web and therefore available, but the upload is a rush-job with poor navigation (use the Contents page if you need to) and no anchor-links yet for the footnotes. (Anchors are laborious and time-consuming; they'll have to be done later.) The index has also been skipped for the time being because it requires anchors as well.
> > http://uncletaz.com/great_initiates/
> > Tarjei