Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Lilith
Here you have a thorough description of the guardian:
From HOW TO KNOW HIGHER WORLDS:3. First, an attempt will be made to give a narrative description
of the meeting with this guardian. It is only
through this meeting, in fact, that we become aware that
the implanted connection between thinking, feeling, and
willing has been undone.
4. A thoroughly horrid, ghostly being stands before us.
Hence we shall need full presence of mind and complete
confidence in the safety and reliability of our cognitive
path—which we have had ample opportunity to acquire in
the course of our training—for this encounter.
5. The guardian then reveals the meaning of this moment
in words, somewhat as follows:
Up to now, unseen by you, mighty powers presided over
you. Through all the previous courses of your lives, they
brought it about that every good deed was followed by its
reward, and every evil action was followed by its grievous
consequences. Through their influence your character
was formed out of your life experiences and thoughts.
They were the agents of your destiny. They determined, on
the basis of your conduct in previous lives, the measure of
joy and pain allotted to you in each of your incarnations.
They ruled over you in the form of the all-embracing law
of karma. These powers will now begin to loosen the reins
by which they guide you. Now you yourself must do some
of the work they did for you before.
Up to now, you endured many heavy blows of fate. You
did not know why. Each was the consequence of a damaging
deed done in a previous life. You found joy and
happiness, and took these as you found them. These,
too, were the result of earlier actions. You have many
186 HOW TO KNOW HIGHER WORLDS
beautiful sides to your character, and many ugly flaws.
You yourself produced these through your past experiences
and thoughts. Up to now, you were unaware of
this; only the effects were known to you. But the karmic
powers witnessed all your former actions and even your
most secret thoughts and feelings. And on that basis they
determined who you are now and how you live in your
6. Now, however, all the good and bad aspects of your
past lives are to be revealed to you. You will see them for
yourself. They have been interwoven with your being all
along. They were in you, and you could not see them, just
as you cannot see your brain with your eyes. Now, however,
your past actions are separating themselves from
you, stepping out of your personality. They are assuming
an independent form, one that you can see, as you can see
the stones and plants of the outside world. I am that selfsame
being, who made a body for itself out of your good
and your wicked deeds. My ghostly form is spun, so to
speak, from the account book of your life. Up to now, you
have carried me invisibly within you. It was for your sake
that this was so. It meant that the hidden wisdom of your
destiny continued to work within you to eliminate the ugly
spots in my appearance. Now that I have come forth from
you, this hidden wisdom has also left you and will take
care of you no longer. Instead, it puts the work into your
own hands. I myself, if I am not to fall into corruption,
must become a perfect and glorious being. For, were I to
fall, I would drag you down with me into a dark, corrupted
To prevent this, your own wisdom must be great
enough to take over the task previously performed by the
hidden wisdom now departed from you. I shall never
leave your side once you have crossed my threshold. I
shall always be there beside you in a form you can perceive.
From then on, whenever you think or act wrongly,
you will immediately see your fault as an ugly, demonic
distortion in my appearance. My being will be changed
and become radiantly beautiful only when you have made
amends for all your wrongs and have so purified yourself
that you become incapable of further evil. Then, too, I
shall be able to unite with you again as a single being in
order to bless and benefit your further activity,.
7. My threshold is built of every feeling of fear still
within you and every feeling of reluctance in the face of
the strength you need to take on full responsibility for
your thoughts and actions. As long as you still harbor any
trace of fear at directing your own destiny, the threshold
lacks an essential element. As long as a single stone is
missing, you will remain on this threshold, as if spellbound—
or stumble. Therefore, do not try to cross this
threshold until you are completely free of fear and feel
yourself ready for the highest responsibility.
8. Until now, I have left you only when death called you
from an earthly life. But, even then, my form was veiled
from your eyes. Only the powers of destiny presiding over
you could see me. During the interval between death and
rebirth, based on my appearance, they formed in you the
forces and faculties to enable you to work to make me
beautiful in your next life, and so ensure the well-being of
your progress. Thus it was I and my imperfections that
made the powers of destiny send you back to a new
earthly incarnation. When you died, I was there. It was
for my sake that the rulers of karma decided that you must
reincarnate. If, without knowing it, you were to transform
and perfect me through life forever renewed in this way,
then you could avoid falling into the powers of death. But
then you would have become completely one with me,
and, united, we would pass into immortality.
9. So now I stand visible before you, as I have always
stood invisible beside you in the hour of your death. Once
you have crossed my threshold, you will enter realms you
otherwise entered only after physical death. Now you will
enter them in full knowledge. From now on, though living
outwardly and visibly upon the earth, you will live at the
same time in the realm of death, that is, in the realm of
eternal life. Indeed, I am your angel of death. But at the
same time I also bring you never-ending higher life.
While still living in the body, you will die through me and
experience rebirth into indestructible existence.
10. In the realm you are henceforth entering, you will
meet beings of a supersensible kind. Bliss will be your
share in this realm. Yet I, I who am your own creation,
must be your first acquaintance in this world. Earlier, I
lived on your life. But now, through you, I have awakened
to an independent existence of my own and stand before
you as the visible standard of your future actions—and
perhaps also as a constant reproach. You have been able
to create me and in so doing have taken on the duty of
In Excursus on the Gospel According to St. Mark, Lecture III Steiner describes it really beautiful in the case of Buddha:Kim
We are correct therefore when in speaking of this in spiritual science we say: The moment a man awakes in the morning he enters through the door of his own being. But at this door stands a watcher, the “little guardian of the threshold.” He does not permit man to enter his own being, but directs him at once to the outer world. Each morning we meet this little guardian of the threshold, and anyone who on awakening enters his own nature consciously, learns to know him. In fact the mystic life consists in whether this little guardian of the threshold acts beneficently towards us, making us unaware of our own being, turning our ego aside so that we do not descend into it, or permitting us to pass through the door and enter into our own being. The mystic life enters through the door I have described, and this in Buddhism is called “sitting under the Bodhi tree.” This is nothing else than the descent of a man into his own being through the door that is ordinarily closed to him. What Buddha experienced in this descent is set before us in Buddhistic writings. Such things are no mere legends, but the reflections of profound truths experienced inwardly — truths concerning the soul. These experiences in the language of Buddhism are called “The Temptation of Buddha.”
Speaking of this Buddha himself tells us how the Beings he loved approached him at the moment when he entered mystically into his own inner being. He tells how they seemed to approach him bidding him to do this or that — for instance, to carry out false exercises so as to enter in a wrong way into his own being. We are even told that the form of his mother appeared to him — he beheld her in her spiritual substance — and she ordered him to begin a false Askese. Naturally this was not the real mother of Buddha. But his temptation consisted in this very fact, that in his first evolved vision he was confronted not by his real mother but by a mask or illusion. Buddha withstood this temptation. Then a host of demoniac forms appeared to him, these he describes as desires, telling how they corresponded to the sensation of hunger and thirst, or the instinct of pride, conceit and arrogance. All these approached him — how? They approached him in so far as they were still within his own astral body, in so far as he had not overcome them at that great moment of his life when he sat under the Bodhi tree. Buddha shows us in a most wonderful way in this temptation, how we feel all the forces and powers of our astral body, which are within us because we have made them ever worse and worse in the course of our development through succeeding incarnations. In spite of having risen so high Buddha still sees them, and now at the final stage of his progress he has to overcome the last of these misleading forces of his astral body which appear to him as demons.
--- Den tirs 9/2/10 skrev dottie zold <dottie_z@yahoo. com>:
Fra: dottie zold <dottie_z@yahoo. com>
Emne: Re: [anthroposophy_ tomorrow] Re: Lilith
Til: anthroposophy_ tomorrow@ yahoogroups. com
Dato: tirsdag 9. februar 2010 02.26
Please stop with this Ahriman....whew, .... something is askew and it is sickening me or something... as it is wrapping itself around and slipn and slidn and making itself look true when I do not believe it is....Ahriman is not the Guardian of the Threshold... .even on a logistical level Kim how would he be incarnating into a physical being soon we hear, or already has or whathave you, and be Guardian of the Threshold... but in any case it is not this Being.....whose going to take his place, who stepped up:)O"Hence only by means of love can we give real help for karma to work out in the right way." Rudolf Steiner
--- On Mon, 2/8/10, Kim <kimgm@yahoo. co.uk> wrote:
Right, he is our bad karma which holds us back, and that's theAhrimanian beings we haven't transformed.
--- In anthroposophy_ tomorrow@ yahoogroups. com, dottie zold
> It is of a heavenly nature not an ahrimanic nature, this being shows
mankind what he is and why he can not cross until he has transformed
those elements of himself that have been seduced by the beings thrust
upon our world that are counter to our higher nature and ongoing
evolution of man. who would that be that shows man to himself? from a
consciousness connected to Michael's Intelligence.
> "Hence only by means of love can we give real help for karma to work
out in the right way." Rudolf Steiner
> --- On Mon, 2/8/10, Kim kimgm@... wrote:
> What is it then consisting of?
> --- In anthroposophy_ tomorrow@ yahoogroups. com, dottie zold dottie_z@
> > The lesser guardian of the Threshold is not an ahrimanic being. d
> > "Hence only by means of love can we give real help for karma to work
out in the right way." Rudolf Steiner
> > --- On Mon, 2/8/10, Juan Revilla hylonome@ wrote:
> > If we adhere to the Genesis spirit, Lilith did not just "represent",
she was an actual being. Adam did not need to be sexual in order to have
"communion" or intercourse and beget with her[kim: What do you mean by
intercourse and beget here? More than just words?].
> > The images "intercourse" and "beget" can be used at many levels. I
already commented to Dottie that I did not mean it necessarily in the
physically sexual sense.
> > In the case of Lilith specially, the relationship to sexuality is
there from the start. After the division of the sexes she adhered to the
darker "solitary" aspects of sexuality (e.g. incubi and succubi). This
sexual connection I had not found so direct in Steiner's description of
Ahriman's intrusion. Nevertheless we concur that Lilith is ahrimanic and
I find it useful and clarifying to see Ahriman in Lilith as you advice.
> > That tail is the Ahrimanic beings, the snake like elementals, the
Arkons of the gnostic, the dark flyers of Castaneda or the shadows of
Jung, or the lesser guardian of the threshold as described by Steiner.
There is no need to make it more complicated than it is.
> > To understand how this related to man's an earth's body in those
epochs as described by Steiner is quite complicated, to imagine how this
is in today's conditions is a lot simpler. Also: to understand
anthroposophically how this is directly related to human physical
sexuality, I personally find it obscure due to Steiner's
(understandable) reluctance to speak of this in his lectures.
> > Juan.
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