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  • isisembarks
    Here follow some Anthroposophical scientific facts to help lay some of your tracks straight (or deflower you all somewhat). I borrow from medicine the
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      Here follow some Anthroposophical "scientific" facts to help lay some of your tracks straight (or deflower you all somewhat). I borrow from medicine the picture of the snake as presented in the remedy Lachesis.

      There is little, outside the snake's horrific feeding habits, which connote sexuality to this creature. It, rather, relates specifically to the digestive system of the metabolic (dark) pole. Just observe its anatomy and note, that from gaping mouth to virutally endless tail, it is all and only gut.

      Kim is right to point out the obvious, in that the heel is close to the ground. Where sex is lust and thereby bound to the baser astral impulses of our lower (animal, unconscious) nature it does indeed pertain to the "fallen" nature of Man. This falling relates to Lucifer in a much more cosmogenealogical manner, however, more below on that.

      Low-down and dirty, cold and self-satisfying as sex can make man, the problem lies in a lack of love, not the capacity for sex. Man was never punished by a wrathful God, the Anthroposophist assumes. He woke up to free choice: awareness or not. To "know" is a fine thing. Sex is not a sin, but it can be a "waste" (the real problem of sin). Taoists have known this forever. (Drunvalo describes tantric currents sexual intercourse can create fairly accurately, for the rest I am not at all sure he goes about anything the "right" way....). As in all matters of healing, or "upping" the human potential it is imperative to go about it the RIGHT way. Sexuality can help understand that. Where to proceed with this understanding comprises the bulk of Steiner's work. "Theosophy" is a good place to start regarding this central topic, which then recurs in every curative educational, medical and pastoral course.

      In the snake everything is "fallen". Its senses have "slipped down" - note the permanently (if transparent) closed eye lid, the loss of taste (the horn-like tongue is an organ of touch), no hearing, etc. That is what an unconscious metabolic pole (of darkness) is all about. It's head pole is but a starting point in time, with this limited nerve-sensory and a pea for a brain; while the middle, heart section is practically non-existent, with the cold blood, and absence or severe reduction of one lung.What it gains is the passive, yin-kind of stamina of dark doggedness (b.t.w. the dog is often paired up with the snake in mythology or found at one's heels: see the Fool- Tarot card 0, e.g.).

      In the mean time, this repetitive quality of the snake's vertebrae, connotes mostly Ahriman. In Eurythmy, the hissing, S is indeed associated with Ahriman, while the H of "Himmel Hoch" is a Lucifer gesture. So we may have to be more careful in identifying Lucifer with the snake outrightly. It does not say enough. B.t.w. to be precise, Lucifer did not banish Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eve, as mentioned here. Gabriel did - beautiful imagery with this (winter) angel so aptly associated with annunciation and the birthing of Christ Consciousness. Of course, at the earliest post-Atlantean time (of the Fall) there was no Ahriman....But Genesis was written not THAT long ago....

      When we come to the topic of kundalini rising, with its two snakes of the ida and pingala, we stray too far from Anthroposophical Yoga. The chakra work here is modernised (with a pooling at the heart chakra, see Lubienski) since we no longer live in the fourth manvantra when this Vedic system depicted a different challenge. The Asklepios or cadeuceus, with Hermes, winged heels and all, of course, is about raising lower consciousness (the right healing). From an esoteric Anthroposophical, perhaps visionary, point of view sex has its place only in so far as it helps us work with our sexuality. To understand the point of our sexuality will be a key task for Anthroposophy in the (near) future. All the clues gathered still make but for a clumsy collage. It would go to far here to address the topic in greater depth. But it begins with the knowledge that you don't need to have sex to make love, but making love can involve sex. It all boils down to the art of Love-making. A creative faculty unique to Human Potential.The penis is meant to prompt creativity, not just serve as a pro-creative member. In spilling we learn the hard way.

      Let us also, not omit to include the mercy and grace of the Christ Force in any of our reflections on love, healing, Man. It sanctifies sex and gives the snake its place. How this furthers enlightenment (darkness meeting light in the colour of love) comprises the core metaphysics of Anthroposophy.

      Finally, we can turn to several other sources to find the snake as a metabolic image. Grimm's Fairly Tales do so, but perhaps the most illuminating instance is in the story of Philoctetes (by Sophocles). It makes for an epilogue to the Odyssey. Knowing what we do, about how to interpret the Odyssey Anthroposophically, this misfortunate chap with his stinking heel, left to "rot" on Lemnos by Odysseus and his crew, after he got bitten (for his own hubris) by the Pythia's snake, makes for the most charming imagery we Anthroposophics must relish. His obsession with shooting birds is also most telling (the bird is all head in contrast to the snake all lower pole). There is an interesting intervention by Vulcan towards the end, which a non-Anthroposophist finds mystifying (so they should!) and they would regard this as a flaw in an otherwise well-worth play, which depicts man in his most pityfully self-obsessed and despondent state (which quickly leads to a rather too modern, ironic and acosmic interpretation, of course).

      I refer to Ralph Twentyman for more information regards the analysis of the nature of the snake and the remedy Lachesis, in "The Science and Art of Healing". "Rudolf Steiner's Vision of Love", by Bernard Nesfield-Cookson gives a splendid overview of all Steiner said on the Right path of healing (the vision behind the Represenative of Man, of course).

      Finally a personal observation.
      If I may indulge in a sexual metaphor: let us rember to penetrate sensitively, where we cannot deeply; and not be too easy - or easily allured by what is little more than our own sequins of Sophia. I am somewhat surprised by the vast amount of odd-balls which those who post here have raked together to represent or compare to Anthroposophy. Surely, it cannot aid the original thinker? Half of us here, surely, only find these people echo our own intuitions, but add little new direction to our quest? Anthroposophists, of course, come from all walks of life, but does this mean we should walk back down to embrace all their origins intellectually? Have we the time for this? Does it not clog up our heads? It might be an idea to start thinking about how we can comprise a new "think tank" which actually FEELS. It will have to include some specialists (is there a doctor in the house? A priest? A physicist? etc) to complement opinion and experience - Yes, I have a dream, as I stand on a sinking ship: a new-style Dornach outside a collapsing Anthroposophical Movement.
    • Mikko Nuuttila
      See also: Mothman Mikko ________________________________ From: Mikko Nuuttila To: anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed,
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        See also: Mothman
        Mikko


        From: Mikko Nuuttila <bellmeine@...>
        To: anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Wed, February 10, 2010 5:03:12 PM
        Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Lilith

         

        The lesser guardian is the Freudian Id, the censor (of subconsious urges, where the seeds of our karma lie. What is taken as the guardian (of knowledge) in Castaneda, is a moth that may appear gigantic to you, and it brings you dust of knowledge, amber hued particles, which I have managed to see twice. Last summer I caressed a moth on my finger, its hairy neck, and it eagerly drank the sweat from my finger. This went on for a long time. The moth is the night butterfly, butterfly being the Greek psyche and this the nightside of it. The Quran says Jesus will come back when people lie on the ground like night butterflies, and this is well what they do in Tensegrity seminars, Mexican Magical Passes lying on the ground to make the night butterfly moves.
        Mikko


        From: dottie zold <dottie_z@yahoo. com>
        To: anthroposophy_ tomorrow@ yahoogroups. com
        Sent: Wed, February 10, 2010 4:52:12 PM
        Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_ tomorrow] Re: Lilith

         

        Mikko there is one thing I have always kept very close to me as a danger noted by Rudolf Steiner: asking or seeking to understand more than what we have the capacity to understand in experience. As I have moved through this work many different things opened up before me and I became aware that I lacked courage to see or know these things from a human seeing point of view and therefore I stopped them from developing further until I had built courage and understanding to see or experience. Courage in me was lacking greatly in these things and its only been little by little I have been able to open up further to the path out of this lack of courage.
         
        All good things,
        Dottie

        "Hence only by means of love can we give real help for karma to work out in the right way." Rudolf Steiner



        --- On Tue, 2/9/10, Mikko Nuuttila <bellmeine@yahoo. com> wrote:

        From: Mikko Nuuttila <bellmeine@yahoo. com>
        Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_ tomorrow] Re: Lilith
        To: anthroposophy_ tomorrow@ yahoogroups. com
        Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 8:06 AM



        According to Steiner, Mars corresponds to mineralization forces (and he also says we have to beware of the crystallizing element in our dreams (inorganics of Castaneda) and seek flowing qualities in dreaming instead. Mineralization forces bespeak scientific intellect. Aries which stands for Mars looks backwards and Steiner said something about it always looking to the past. I must say I am personally very interested in everything Steiner said is not good for us, I seek crystalline dreaming and he also said pranayama breathing exercises, the occult forces of breath are not for Westerners, but Holy Spirit is properly translated as Holy Breath from Greek (pneuma).


        From: dottie zold <dottie_z@yahoo. com>
        To: anthroposophy_ tomorrow@ yahoogroups. com
        Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 5:57:57 PM
        Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_ tomorrow] Re: Lilith

         
        That's exactly what I need to look at: Edom and Eden...do you know there are a group called the Edomites and these are connected with Essau...many years ago I woke up from the dream world with the saying 'you are an ....ite' and I couldn't figure out what that was, was it Sodomite, which I was kind of appalled at, or, well so many other 'ites' and then my Rabbi pegged me for a 'Noahite' one after righteousness. ......... ......... .....one after righteousness. ......that' s connected to Melchizedek isn't it...well that's damn interesting. ....what was ....well, anyway, the point is that we need to understand clearly Edom and Eden and the 'Paradise' of Eden....that' s what we have to come to know..
         
        But you know what Mikko, the biggest thing I woke up with this morning is that I want to know, I'm  ready to know in courage, what and how the spirit is in this body...how does the etheric feel and what does it look like and how is it interpenetrating with the astral and how does the astral look like and what does it feel like and then how is this connected to the higher being of our I am...what does  that look like...I don't want these myths anymore right now....that' s enough. I'm ready.
         
        So this morning when I awake I have an experience of something that has plagued me since childhood... .and because of our studies here and our back and forth I had the thought 'it is a force within me' and I was able to subdue it. It immediately ceased. And I was kind of amazed and yet victorious in a little girl kinda way like 'whoa, that's all it took, I had to recognize it' and then...and this is where consciousness comes in 'I had a choice'. And I chose to get up out of bed. Not very miraculous to most but to me it was a clear moment a clear win.
         
        So, how do these forces move in us...can we experience them, can we catch them if you will....can we catch them. And then there is this climbing up the ladder...we do so also unconsciously but when we do consciously we are able to give something back to Michael...now I understand what Rudolf Steiner shares....now I understand how he says we have to give up to Michael and then he gives up further....it is our winning back from Lucifer, whom we bring with us, upward, and we win Lucifer back from Ahriman and Lilith...... that' s who we win Lucifer from..that's how Lucifer is redeemed.... he is redeemed when we consciously wake up within our ...when our thinking lights up and we catch the adversaries at work in our bodies and then we make a choice to do differently than  what our lower nature calls for, then we win something for the spiritual worlds....
         
        You know we can all talk about these things but until we truly have these experiences of spirit reality and we prepare ourselves for these spirit realities, kinda like preparing oneself for the transition to the heavenly worlds, and we are in it, until we truly have these experiences we can not lead others in truth only in theory....and that's okay but we do have to recognize it, we have to recognize and seek out spirit workings past our talkings and our knowings.... or we continue to slumber...may this be a year that we catch the adversary and take back up to Michael that which is his.
         
        Love,
        Dottie
         


         
        "Hence only by means of love can we give real help for karma to work out in the right way." Rudolf Steiner



        --- On Mon, 2/8/10, Mikko Nuuttila <bellmeine@yahoo. com> wrote:

        From: Mikko Nuuttila <bellmeine@yahoo. com>
        Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_ tomorrow] Re: Lilith
        To: anthroposophy_ tomorrow@ yahoogroups. com
        Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 11:10 PM



        If Adam was the Garden and it means "red earth" was it Mars, as the Bible also talks about Edom (Mars) in a few highly interesting spots, and this is like ED.EN, also a Sumerian word (I think I am quoting Sitchin).
        Mikko


        From: dottie zold <dottie_z@yahoo. com>
        To: anthroposophy_ tomorrow@ yahoogroups. com
        Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 3:22:50 AM
        Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_ tomorrow] Re: Lilith

         
        Kim, I was once one who said Ahriman had to be transformed and also Lilith, that is not my understanding now. Many have come at me for thinking so but that's not what changed my consideration, my consideration changed when considering the principle of the Beings.....
         
        I was sitting with Genesis today...funny how maturity just changes things...anyway I was thinking of how I could see it in a new way and I am kinda shocked at what I read today and the vision I have or the picture I have is of the Chariot, not a Tree, a Chariot and the four layers round and three down, fourth with the Ain Soph...and it is through this I want to  see as it seems to me that Adam is the garden, Adam is the garden Kim, not just the Tree, he is the garden is what is coming to me as I consider how to see this past the words and past the pictures already given to man....I have to find a new picture that is of Light and Love as that is what this is all transformed out of and back in to......so we need a three tiered chariot that has four sides around, almost like hte ones we see of Tibetan or Thailand stories....that' s probably the turtle everyone talks of that is carrying the world, ...and if we consider our lowest level is in this earthly...well, you know what, I don't even want to go there....its so easy to repeat things and Steiner students do that best just as the dogmatic christians do and that's why we dont' have any new image that is needed today....I cannot work with that any longer I can just tell something has just changed in me that is abhoring almost the old picture..... and the word play you and I do with this or that is funny but I appreciate it so much because at least we are seeking instead of repeating... .and we keep teaching ourselves something new out of our own seeking versus reading it and saying 'oh yes blah blah blah'.....
         
        Kim, we should really work, like in days of old with Pythagoras:) ))) we should alight upon it anew.....we have to sit with it anew....Light and Love....out of the past and into the future
         
        d

        "Hence only by means of love can we give real help for karma to work out in the right way." Rudolf Steiner



        --- On Mon, 2/8/10, Kim <kimgm@yahoo. co.uk> wrote:

        From: Kim <kimgm@yahoo. co.uk>
        Subject: [anthroposophy_ tomorrow] Re: Lilith
        To: anthroposophy_ tomorrow@ yahoogroups. com
        Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 10:31 AM



        Take a deep inbreath, and read it again:)

        > Steiner GA273 (from German):
        ---->That means my source is german.
        the etheric body of man is female, seen as Lilith.
        ---->Female for a man and male for a woman, always the opposite of the physical body.

        According to legend, Lilith is Adam's first wife
        ---->Lilith was mans first wife, estherbody+astral body
        ---->when she left man, it meant that physical body+ether body

        and mother of Lucifer
        ---->The astral is born out of the etheric.
        > She is the Ahrimanian spirits in our etheric body, and our work are to purify them...
        ---->In the same way as we have purified the luciferic spirits we shall purify the Ahrimanic, there is a reason Christ looks with love at Ahriman in the sculpture. No being is lost forever. These beings where created at the old Sun and they are at home on Mars. Steiner told of a mission on Mars, remember.

        If you cant accept that Steiner says that Ahrimanian beings are elementals, you don't get any real understanding of the Ahrimanian seen as beings, and that nots necessary, but many questions are not possible to answer without that understanding.
        Kim

        --- In anthroposophy_ tomorrow@ yahoogroups. com, dottie zold <dottie_z@... .> wrote:
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        > Steiner GA273 (from German): ...the etheric body of man is female, seen as Lilith. That leads up to times where the man was not at all constituted so. According to legend, Lilith is Adam's first wife and mother of Lucifer.
        > She is the Ahrimanian spirits in our etheric body, and our work are to purify them...
        > Kim
        >  
        > Kim, what is the rest of that text saying? Is it in English? ...I need the rest of that text to understand a thing. How can Adam and Lilith be the mother of Lucifer....somethin g is missing here... something is amiss here....something is....okay this just pulls me into Steiner's work past the Christologies which I have not studied well enough to know what is up with this picture above....and I can't hold the idea that we are transforming the spirit beings themselves, the ahrimanic spirit beings themselves, versus the places where they have successfully manipulated my own being, which are in me and are of me, separate from them....although they twist so well to be so emeshed that man has to force them out of his own being...its different with the elemental beings where these are transformed through our own actions, these are the helpers of man....i can't recognize them in what you have offered in relations to 'archons' and such or I seem to have a negative
        > view of the words as 'shadows' etc......the elementals are not shadows, they are beings intimately and goodly connected with man's own transformation. ....whereas the ahrimanic beings serve as a challenge to man......
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        > I once was thinking kindly on the ahrimanic beings in the sense that they too will be transformed but the more I understand how they are repelled by the very thing we are creating, Love, I understand that this is not their task, their task is not our own, they were allowed to enter in as we had already gone down a road that necessitated our need of their energies to get us back on track towards the I Am and what the cosmic world was creating before we took a left turn so to speak.
        >  
        > I don't think its just women as is being noted here in regards to understanding Lilith, rather I think it is speaking to the collective unconscious that understands a dogma has been placed not only on religious/spiritual matters but also on the male/female element in our world.....any group that is being oppressed is going to seek to find ways to show what is inherently true within and usually they have to skirt to the outside of the norm in myth and legend to do so. But mostly it is a misunderstanding of Sophia in her fallen stage as a being of Wisdom, and Lilith, not of this worldly state of affairs....I was one of those who fought to understand the difference between the two as I could only see them as the same story when they are not.
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        > I am just shocked to hear something such as Lilith is the mother of Lucifer and Adam is the father.....if I have to consider this further I can only think that .....I don't think Lilith can be a part of this world....she can not be within Adam as in his purity....she has to be outside it, he has to meet it....she is under him and then flies up......she has to enter into him from below, in order to enter into man......okay, I'm going to exit these conversations and get into Genesis and the legends with the Rabbis...... and check some satanist views....
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        > Thanks,
        > Dottie
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        > "Hence only by means of love can we give real help for karma to work out in the right way." Rudolf Steiner
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        > --- On Mon, 2/8/10, Juan Revilla hylonome@... wrote:
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        > From: Juan Revilla hylonome@...
        > Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_ tomorrow] Re: Lilith
        > To: anthroposophy_ tomorrow@ yahoogroups. com
        > Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 7:49 AM
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        > Steiner GA273 (from German): ...the etheric body of man is female, seen as Lilith. That leads up to times where the man was not at all constituted so.. According to legend, Lilith is Adam's first wife and mother of Lucifer.
        > She is the Ahrimanian spirits in our etheric body, and our work are to purify them...
        > Kim
        > Makes a lot of sense, thanks.
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        > I would note that from this perspective the etheric body is more properly called "Isha", Lilith being the ahrimanized or sub-physical part (the counter- or "anti-" part --what some theosophist think is the etheric body). A lot of confusion or ambivalence regarding the nature of Lilith is created by giving to her the higher qualities that correspond to Isha... at least this is what I feel happens very often specially among "new age" women. I think "Isha" is the higher ethers (the Tree of Life) above the warmth ether (the ring of fire), which you already quoted Steiner suggesting that it became Krishna and later Nathan Jesus.
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        > .... the pre-christian or non-christianized side of Isha being its luciferic aspect or the "twin soul" of man and woman in the ordinary sense.
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        > Juan
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