Did you meet her?
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org
, "Frank Thomas Smith"
> Neither do I have any strong opinions about Judith von Halle, because
I do not know her personally and I don't see how anyone can either
accept or reject her claim to having stigmata and permanent fasting
without knowing her. I don't know if Prokofieff knows her, but I doubt
it. His position seems to be that the stigmata phenomenon is atavistic
and therefore incompatible with with anthroposophy, whereas Judith
closely associates herself with anthroposophy. I think that Dottie
jumped the gun in associating her with Tomberg or the Catholic Church.
In the two books by her I've read - "Und wäre Er nicht
auferstanden..." ("And had He not resurrected..."and the one about the
Christ statue at the Goetheanum - the former being the most interesting)
there is no mention that I can remember of either Tomberg or the
Catholic Church. Dottie's prejudice may have to do with the fact that
Prokofieff rejects her and that previous known stigmatics were
Catholics, such as Anne Catherine Emmerich
---unless she knows
something I don't. Btw, I expect to be in Berlin sometime this year and
will try to meet her.
> --- In email@example.com, "elfuncle" coolvibes@
> > I backtracked this thread to Frank's original post before the circus
> > kicked in and everything went haywire (and I certainly take my share
> > blame for that), but here are my comments:
> > I don't have any strong opinions one way or another about Judith von
> > Halle's stigmata, just like I had no strong opinions about the claim
> > made some years ago by a Swedish lady that she was the reincarnation
> > Anne Frank. Controversial claims come with the territory what
> > science is concerned, and students of anthroposophy, whether they
> > personally involved in anthroposophical work (medicine, agriculture,
> > education) or not, are all free to form their own private
> > if anyone likes to call such a claim "the end of anthroposophy,"
> > end of civilization," or "the end of the universe," they're free to
> > so. It doesn't mean that it's the end of anarchosophy or the death
> > Uncle Taz, for instance. It's more like that song with Crosby and
> > Sinatra, "Have you heard, it's in the stars / Next July we collide
> > Mars / Did you ever....."
> > I seem to recall that according to RS, Francis of Assissi possessed
> > astral body of Christ, which made it possible for him to go through
> > incredible transformation as a young man, and to have a healing
> > upon Europe to the extent that he actually stopped the spread of
> > leoprosy, and close to the very end of this life, he identified
> > with his Savior so strongly that he got the stigmata.
> > I have too little knowledge of Judith von Halle's personal holiness
> > have any opinion about it one way or another, except that I don't
> > she'll bring an end to civilization and anthroposophy and cause the
> > to go nova, unless she's so hot that she's responsible for global
> > warming.
> > The problem with the Catholic church is that it goes against
> > and also against spiritual science, by pushing a system of
> > that goes contrary to natural and spiritual laws and is therefore an
> > offense against the Spirit of the Age.
> > Tarjei
> > --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Frank Thomas Smith"
> > <eltrigal78@> wrote:
> > >
> > > A couple of issues ago in "Das Goetheanum" a guy named Dietrich
> > wrote a review of Sergei Prokofieff's latest book: "Das Mysterium
> > Auferstehung im lichte der Anthroposophie" (The Resurrection Mystery
> > the Light of Anthroposophy), in which he criticized the part of the
> > dealing with the stigmata phenomenon. Basically Prokofieff says it
> > atavistic and has nothing to do with anthroposophy. But he only uses
> > examples from the past, not mentioning Judith von Halle, the current
> > stigmatized anthroposophist. So Rapp calls him dishonest, as he is
> > obviously referring to Judith without naming her. Then in a later
> > Prokofieff answers the criticism saying that he only wanted to be
> > objective without personalizing. He also says stigmatization has no
> > place in Anthroposophy and von Halle's claim that she bears the
> > resurrection body means, for him, "the end of anthroposophy". So
> > replies in the same issue saying that S.P. is shutting someone out
> > without even knowing her. These are long letters, so this is the
> > synopsis, the object of which is only to inform y'all that Judith is
> > still a hot topic yonder.
> > > Frank
> > >