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Re: Rudolf Steiner on Politics and Capitalism (1917)

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  • Mike helsher
    Thanks for the clarity T. I did remember the subtle love of money idea, but like most words, IE, Love, money and God, freedom, they get blended into beliefs,
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      Thanks for the clarity T. I did remember the subtle "love of money" idea, but like most words, IE, Love, money and God, freedom, they get blended into beliefs, much like the temptings of Ari, and Luci here. For most people Love and money mean the same thing. Infantile I know but true. But Love is like "the word" and money is like the words here on this screen.

      I bought some food yesterday; mostly veggies and some fish and eggs. Oh and of coarse some gas, gotta have that gas! But now my life savings is getting stuffed under my bed (I have no accounts with any banks) and I get to go roam the woods with my son and my dog. Lotta interesting trees. My son found out that the big ponderosa pines smell intensely like vanilla if you get right up close to them. So the thought just came to me now that "the best things in life are free" but as soon as I heard the word "free" I wanted to run down to walmart to pinch a penny and get a thrill from getting a great deal on something cheap. So I feel like I should say that the best things in life aren't free. The best things in life are an unmerited gift, like the forest I'm going to walk in, and the trees...



      --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "elfuncle" <coolvibes@...> wrote:
      > Just one tiny detail for now, Mike. You wrote:
      > --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "Mike helsher"
      > <mhelsher@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Money is the root of all evil, but the evil roots can only grow in
      > evil soil, which is heavily fertilized with man-made human ignorance.
      > I've heard that said before, that money is the root of all evil, but the
      > source of this idea appears to be a not insignificant alteration of 1
      > Timothy 6:10:
      > "For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted
      > after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through
      > with many sorrows."
      > The point is the difference between money being the root of all evil,
      > and the love of money being the root of all evil. From a certain
      > perspective, I recognize that this nuance may be a subtle one:
      > "Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted
      > of the devil. And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was
      > afterward an hungred. And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou
      > be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. But he
      > answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but
      > by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God"
      > ( -- Matthew 4:1-4)
      > Rudolf Steiner elaborates:
      > http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/19131005p01.html
      > <http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/19131005p01.html>
      > I believe that the scene I am about to describe is essentially correct.
      > But it is very difficult to observe such things in the Akasha Record.
      > Therefore I would like to explicitly state that one or another detail
      > may eventually be modified, but that the essential is there. The
      > temptation scene appears in several Gospels, which describe it from
      > different sides. I have often emphasized this. I have taken pains to
      > investigate this temptation scene and would like to relate how it really
      > was.
      > At first the Christ-Being in Jesus of Nazareth's body encountered
      > Lucifer in solitude – how Lucifer works on people when they
      > overestimate themselves, have too little humility and self-knowledge.
      > Take advantage of man's false pride and self-importance: that is what
      > Lucifer wants to do! Lucifer approached Christ Jesus and said more or
      > less the words which also appear in the other Gospels: Look at me! The
      > other kingdoms in which man dwells, founded by the old gods and spirits
      > – they are old. I want to found a new kingdom; I will give you
      > everything that is beautiful and glorious in the old kingdoms if you
      > will enter into my new kingdom. But you must separate yourself from the
      > old and recognize me! And Lucifer showed him all the beauty of the
      > Luciferic world, all that would attract a human soul that had even a
      > trace of pride. But the Christ-Being came from the spiritual world. He
      > knew who Lucifer is and how the soul must act not to be tempted on earth
      > by him. He knew nothing of Luciferic temptation; he knew though how to
      > serve the gods and was strong enough to reject Lucifer. So Lucifer
      > attacked a second time, but he came with Ahriman as support and they
      > both spoke to Christ. One tried to goad his pride: Lucifer. The other
      > spoke to his fear: Ahriman.
      > The first said to him: Through my spirituality, through what I can give
      > you, you will not need what you now need because you have entered into a
      > human body as Christ. That body subjugates you, so you must obey the law
      > of gravity. I can throw you down and the human body prevents you from
      > overcoming the law of gravity. If you obey me I will annul the effects
      > of the fall and nothing will happen to you. Ahriman said: I will protect
      > you from fear, throw yourself down! They both closed in on him, but as
      > they balanced the scales, so to speak, by their insistence, he was able
      > to resist them. He found the strength which man needs to find on earth
      > to raise himself above Lucifer and Ahriman.
      > Then Ahriman said: Lucifer, you are of no use to me, you have not
      > increased my power, only diminished it. So Ahriman sent Lucifer away and
      > carried out the last attack as Ahriman alone and said the words which
      > resonate in the Gospel of Matthew: Turn minerals into bread! Turn stones
      > to bread if you claim to have divine powers. And the Christ-Being said:
      > Men do not live by bread alone, but by the spiritual which comes from
      > the spiritual world. The Christ-Being knew that well, for he had
      > recently descended from the spiritual world. Ahriman replied: You may be
      > right. But that you are right and insofar as you are right does not stop
      > me from stopping you in a certain way. You only know what the spirit
      > does which descends from the heights. You were not yet in the human
      > world. Below, in the human world, there are completely different people;
      > they truly need to turn stones to bread, they cannot nourish themselves
      > by the spirit alone. That was the moment when Ahriman told Christ what
      > one could know on the earth; which, however, the god who had just
      > stepped upon the earth for the first time could not yet know. He did not
      > know that it was necessary below to turn the mineral, metal to money, to
      > bread. So Ahriman said that the people below are forced to nourish
      > themselves with money. That was where Ahriman still had power. And, said
      > Ahriman, I will use this power!
      > This is the correct description of the temptation story. The questions
      > weren't definitively answered – Luficer's questions perhaps, but not
      > Ahriman's. Something more was required for that.
      > ( -- Rudolf Steiner: The Fifth Gospel, Lecture V, Oslo, Norway, October
      > 5, 1913, GA 148)
      > Fundamentalists insist that the above passage from the Mark gospel means
      > that Jesus was a circus magician who could change water into wine and
      > rocks into bread by snapping his fingers, but that's for the little
      > children. With stones we make hard currency, coins, and with money we
      > buy food. (This was prior to the extremely important invention of paper
      > money described in Faust part 2, which is now being replaced by the less
      > anonymous plastic money, so today Ahriman would have said: If thou be
      > the Son of God, command that this plastic card be made pizza.)
      > The temptation is this simple: "Go buy some food." And furthermore,
      > although Christ resists Ahriman's temptation, he does not defeat him at
      > this point, because he has to concede Ahriman's dominion over the
      > economy.
      > Tarjei
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