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  • dottie zold
    Hi Sue, thanks for your considerations on the Auric Star. I m working on how it is that I can bring things from what seems abstract to an understanding within
    Message 1 of 188 , May 1, 2009
      Hi Sue, thanks for your considerations on the Auric Star. I'm working on how it is that I can bring things from what seems abstract to an understanding within me.
      All good things,

      "If there is something more powerful than destiny, this must be the human being who bears destiny unshaken." Rudolf Steiner

      --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Sue Mohler <xochinesecresteds@...> wrote:
      From: Sue Mohler <xochinesecresteds@...>
      Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Good Auric Star
      To: anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 7:24 PM

      Rudolf Steiner makes reference to the Auric Star in the _Festivals and 
      Their Meanings_ (pg.95) where he writes..."The Christ Soul shines as an 
      auric star and it is by this star that the initiates of the three Root 
      Races are led to Jesus in Bethlehem..." He then goes on to discuss the 
      Budhi body and the transformation of this body by the Christ. Preceding 
      this, he talks about the "descent of Manas somewhere around the middle 
      of Lemurian times was accompanied by the penetration into mankind of the 
      element of desire or passion." Richard Leviton takes this idea further 
      in _The Imagination of Pentacost_ in section IV entitled "Speaking"
      Good Auric Star of the Human. /Here Leviton goes into the geographical 
      discussion of the supersensible emerald which fell from Lucifer's crown, 
      which he claims is situated at the El Tule tree outside Oxaxca in 
      Southern Mexico. If you put in the Google search "auric star Rudolf 
      Steiner" both of these works will come up with the phrase highlighted. 
      This is a very detailed chapter discussing how each of us has within us 
      the holographic image of Lucifer's emerald and how this is connected to 
      our awakening to the Christos. This is necessary so that we can redeem 
      Lucifer, and Sophia can be united with God the Father and the human 
      trinity can be born as the Paraclete in all mankind. It also has to do 
      with the Foundation Stone Meditation (See _The Heavenly Sophia and 
      Anthroposophia_ Pg. 230 (Sergei Prokofieff) "Rudolf Steiner spoke some 
      words where he referred to the Anthroposophical Society..." A /good 
      star/ (Italics Prokofieff's) will reign over that which is willed from 
      here." - I guess why I asked is you have spent a great deal of time 
      discussing the transformation of the earth to a star but that is not 
      possible as I understand Steiner until we purify our own selves and give 
      birth to Budhi and so on. So it seems that you are describing a 
      macrocosmic future event and I am dealing with the microcosmic work each 
      individual has to do. It is great that the interior of the earth is gold 
      but who is associated with gold...and when pounded very thin is 
      green....Lucifer...again, this is as I understand it. So the "Good Auric 
      Star" is what needs to be developed until it can shine brightly and 
      become a truly transformative organ for not just us as individuals but 
      for redemption of the Spiritual beings who have given to us and without 
      whom redemption of a true human Trinity of Michael, Lucifer and Sophia 
      cannot be achieved. Ergo the world of matter won't be either...The 
      Buddhists have Bodhisatvas, humans who even after achieving the next 
      levels in consciousness will continue to be reborn in order to help 
      redeem others at all levels, not just humans. In Kabbalah you have the 
      "Fallen Sparks" or kelipot (husks) that need to be redeemed according
      good deeds which if understand correctly will require a Christened 
      consciousness and a strengthening of our own "Good Auric Stars"
      dottie zold wrote:
      > Sue, what do you mean by Auric Star?
      > All good things,
      > Dottie
      > /"If there is something more powerful than destiny, this must be the 
      > human being who bears destiny unshaken."/ Rudolf Steiner
      > --- On *Fri, 5/1/09, Sue Mohler /<xochinesecresteds@...>/*
      >     From: Sue Mohler <xochinesecresteds@...>
      >     Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Earth as Sun 2
      >     To: anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com
      >     Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 3:57 PM
      >     Hi All -
      >     Dottie, I have read with interest the excerpts of the Countess' 
      >     Conversation. I cannot recall where I read it...I think it may have
      >     a Prokofieff book, but I remember reading that we already have our
      >     Auric Star" within our hearts...? Do you have any insights on
      this? I 
      >     have not been able to find the reference.
      >     Thanks
      >     Sue Mohler
      >     dottie zold wrote:
      >     >
      >     > Okay, here is the final part of this 'Esoteric Conversation
      >     > Countess Johanna from the Interior of the Earth book:
      >     >
      >     > What I had experienced had been so real – and yet I did not
      want to 
      >     > lapse into fantasies. I had written down my questions. Rudolf
      >     > read them aloud: ‘Where can we find the land Shambhalla? I can
      >     > it somewhat as follows: in the beginning there was fire and
      >     > These took their strength from one another – reciprocally in
      >     > harmony. Then the light rejected the forces of fire; and the
      >     > which was thereby hindered from rising into the light, fought
      back and 
      >     > accumulated above the fire. Thus, the primeval fire was gradually
      >     > covered over by the ashes from the smoke. The ashes from the
      >     > fire form the mineral part of our earth’.
      >     >
      >     > Rudolf Steiner paused once more: ‘What you have written is
      >     > then he continued to read: ‘We human beings, however, have to 
      >     > rediscover the connection to our origin, otherwise we shall
      >     > more and more excluded from life and will solidify with the
      >     > of the earth. If my assumption is correct we must start to
      >     > the depths to the golden ground of the world. The way leads
      >     > the darkness, through the layers of smoke which envelope the
      >     > fire. The earth layers of the mineral world are permeated with
      >     > kamaloka of our soul life’.
      >     >
      >     > ‘Yes, that is correct,’ said Rudolf Steiner, who continued to
      >     > ‘There we meet with everything which connects the mineral
      darkness to 
      >     > the hell of our souls. When we step out of the human world –
      which can 
      >     > occur even while the body continues to exist on earth – then we
      >     > in the land of the dead. When the dead person has accomplished
      >     > kamaloka, he rises to the starry worlds. I would think, though,
      >     > if it were possible to achieve such a state of sinlessness in
      >     > and, instead of rising upwards, one were to remain in the depths,
      >     > would not the golden gates of the realm of fairyland open once
      >     > for the petitioning soul?
      >     >
      >     > Rudolf Steiner added: ‘Yes, that is possible’.
      >     >
      >     > I: ‘And is the interior of the earth made out of that gold
      which comes 
      >     > from the hollow cavity in the sun and which is destined to return
      >     there’?
      >     >
      >     > Rudolf Steiner: ‘Yes, the interior of the earth is of gold’.
      >     >
      >     > Then he put down the paper. Still I continued to question him for
      >     > assurance.
      >     >
      >     > ‘Her Doctor, when I am standing here on earth’, and I pointed
      to my 
      >     > green carpet, ‘then the golden land is beneath me, deep in the 
      >     > interior of the earth – and if I now attain to sinlessness and
      >     > in the depths, the demons will not be able to harm me and I will
      >     > able to penetrate beyond them – and reach the golden land? ‘
      >     >
      >     > Rudolf Steiner: ‘If one passes through them accompanied by
      Christ, the 
      >     > demons will not be able to harm you – but otherwise they would
      >     > be able to destroy you’! He added emphatically: ‘They can,
      >     > become our helpers. Yes, that is so – the path is a true one,
      but it 
      >     > is very difficult’! I knew now that my investigation had been
      on the 
      >     > right lines, but this path was a ‘very difficult’ one.
      >     >
      >     > It was Holderlin who had shown me his path. For years his astral 
      >     > forces had led me. I had climbed after him through the depths of
      >     > and death until he found the way out to the light, the way out of
      >     > imprisonment. He, who even left the earth in order to search for
      >     > Gods, ‘…for to be alone and without the Gods was death to
      >     knows 
      >     > the Christ in the depths. So he does not rise up to the stars as
      >     > dead people do. No, he prefers to penetrate to the depths, to the
      >     > Being at the centre of the earth.
      >     >
      >     > The indication by Rudolf Steiner that what I had seen was the
      >     > but ‘very difficult’, left me wondering, and it seemed to me
      that he 
      >     > meant that there was a different way for the pupils of Michael.
      Now it 
      >     > has been granted, through the help of Michael, that the Christ
      >     > appears in the etheric realm of the earth will illumine our eyes
      >     > see the lost magical land. Then this land will rise up to us and
      >     > will bond himself to a new world – day in the light of the sun,
      >     > he sets free from their enchantment the spirits of the elements
      >     > have darkened his vision and rendered the earth solid and opaque.
      >     >
      >     > In Rudolf Steiner’s Mystery Drama /The Guardian of the
      >     > /Ahriman says: ‘The gods, however, willed to rule on earth, and
      >     > their kingdom they did one day thrust my power into the depths of
      >     > abyss … and thus ‘this only from this place that I dare send
      out my 
      >     > powerful strength upon the earth. But in this way my power turns
      >     > fear’. And Capesius calls out: ‘Oh, in the depths dark fear 
      >     > threatening’! The spirit – pupil must, therefore, be aware of
      the fact
      >     > that whoever penetrates into the depths has to pass through
      >     > kingdom and the beings of that kingdom touch him!
      >     >
      >     > As well as thinking and feeling the Being of Christ who united
      >     > earth through His death, one must also strive to become a brother
      >     > the divine Christ in order to attain in a full and living way the
      >     > of victory which await us beyond the darkness. The spirit pupil 
      >     > thereby gains a weapon to protect him: the reality and power of 
      >     > perceptive consciousness! Perception of the laws of light is the 
      >     > shield which, in the hour of danger, is ready at hand. The spirit
      >     > pupil who would dare to journey on the road into the depths must
      be in 
      >     > possession of that knowledge which ensures victory through
      >     >
      >     > I then asked Rudolf Steiner if we would be exposed to destruction
      >     > the demons: if they always have to destroy everything or whether
      >     > can be taken into the protection of Christ. He replied: ‘When
      we have 
      >     > entered into the circle of the sun the demons will no longer be
      >     > to harm us’.
      >     >
      >     > My next question was also related to the primeval depths. I asked
      >     > what substance kept the primeval fire alight, for where there is
      >     > there must first be substance, and so the primeval fire is not
      >     > beginning which produces original life out of itself. Rudolf
      >     > replied: ‘No, it is different – it is not so in this case. On
      >     > there has to be material for fire to burn. But the primeval fire
      >     > spontaneously; it is its own substance and being! Substance only
      >     > later and was added to the Fire’.
      >     >
      >     > I: ‘then is the primeval sun of Ptolemy, which he perceived in
      >     > centre of the earth as the creative ground of the world, the
      >     > fairyland Shambhalla’?
      >     >
      >     > Rudolf Steiner: ‘Yes – and midnight conceals it’.
      >     >
      >     > Then I presented Rudolf Steiner with the diagram (next page) and 
      >     > asked: ‘Can one draw it like this’? He answered: ‘Yes, one
      can do
      >     that’.
      >     >
      >     > ‘The festivals’, I said, ‘are always at the points where a
      >     > spiritual current enters in and relieves an old one. The Father
      >     > succeeded by the Son and the latter is succeeded by the powers of
      >     > Holy Spirit’. Rudolf Steiner then asked me what I called the
      >     > uppermost points and I answered that they were assigned to
      >     > Pentecost and St. John’s Day. Then I stopped because I did not
      >     > what to call the lower point on the right and the one at the
      >     > He pointed to the lowest apex: ‘What do you call this’?
      >     >
      >     > ‘The journey of Faust to the Mothers’, I answered.
      >     >
      >     > ‘Yes’, said Rudolf Steiner, ‘on November 9’, and added:
      >     here, on 
      >     > 24 September, the Festival of Persephone was celebrated by the
      >     >
      >     > I then put several questions connected to what had been spoken
      >     > during the last few days, and which could not be separated from
      it in 
      >     > my view. I only wish to recount a few of these questions here,
      >     > which might provide confirmation to one or other of us who are 
      >     > investigating these things further. Rudolf Steiner asked me if I
      >     > any further questions and I showed him my calculations in
      >     > and voiced my opinion as follows: ‘A completely new astronomy
      >     > developing which has nothing at all to do with what one calls 
      >     > astronomy today. I do not dare to work further on that until I
      know if 
      >     > what I am writing is true’.
      >     >
      >     > Rudolf Steiner: ‘If you experience these things you have, then
      >     > will be true. You only have to be quite sure in yourself, quite 
      >     > selflessly true’. And, only audible to spirit ears, he added:
      >     > these truths can only be experienced in selflessness’.
      >     >
      >     > I: ‘You told me Christ is the Divine Ego. So, is the earth the 
      >     > physical body of Christ, the etheric world His etheric body and
      >     > astral world His astral body?
      >     >
      >     > Rudolf Steiner: ‘Yes, of course’.
      >     >
      >     > I: ‘I see many things but, without having asked you, I surely
      >     > say, for instance, that in the slag of cooled moon craters the
      >     > fire-forces of God’s adversaries are crouching and wrangling
      >     Him’?
      >     >
      >     > Rudolf Steiner: ‘Why do you not like to say so, if you
      experience it 
      >     > in that way’?
      >     >
      >     > ***
      >     >
      >     > When Rudolf Steiner was with us the previous time he had said 
      >     > something which had occupied me a great deal, since here on earth
      >     > can close an inner door, but in the spiritual world it is
      >     > ‘On Sirius one hears everything that people think’. I studied
      all I 
      >     > could to gain a grasp of the identity of Sirius. Mythology only 
      >     > revealed that it was the star of Zarathustra, and stands as Isis
      >     > the constellation of the Dog. Neither did the Astronomical Course
      >     > Relationship of the Diverse Branches of Natural Science to
      >     > give me any information about the secrets of Sirius. Then I
      >     > that I should tackle this question from a different angle and 
      >     > formulated it according to my own ideas as follows: Where is the 
      >     > centre in which all human suffering and all human joy in heaven
      and in 
      >     > the cosmos can be perceived? Then the answer sounded in my soul:
      it is 
      >     > His heart – the heart of Jesus – Zarathustra in the earth’s
      >     of 
      >     > midnight. I asked Rudolf Steiner about this and he said:
      ‘Sirius is 
      >     > the heart of Jesus-Zarathustra and is in the depths of the
      >     > ‘The heart is in the deep’, said Jacob Boehme: in the depths
      of his 
      >     > heart man also attains to the other Heart, which would bear with
      >     > all his suffering and all his joy. Then Rudolf Steiner drew a
      >     > sketch and spoke slowly for me to take it down in writing:
      ‘Sirius is 
      >     > the world-thought which Christ produces out of His Heart –
      >     > it is to be found within the earth’. He drew a curve to
      represent the 
      >     > earth and wrote on it, ‘Metabolism and fulfillment’, as
      though the 
      >     > thoughts issuing from the Heart of Christ, that is from the sun,
      >     > sent through Sirius to the centre of the earth, where they obtain
      >     > their fulfillment by means of metabolism.
      >     >
      >     > ***
      >     >
      >     > Rudolf Steiner also spoke to me at that time about ‘Creation
      out of 
      >     > nothing’. I noted down the following: the interior of the earth
      >     > consists of gold, in which the highest hierarchy weaves. This
      >     > became dark: and Christ departed from the sun and, as the
      >     > entered the golden centre of the earth. So is this new Creation a
      >     > to the earth out of nothingness, out of the hollow spaces within
      >     > sun? For the solid earth – this body of the Gods – died at
      the moment 
      >     > of Golgotha. Has a new Holy Host now been sent down from the
      >     > space of the sun?
      >     >
      >     > Rudolf Steiner answered: ‘Not out of the hollowness, for that
      >     > ‘nothingness’ isn’t it, the opposite of ‘somthingness’.
      The new
      >     Holy 
      >     > Host issues forth from the reality behind the emptiness’.
      >     >
      >     > I: ‘And will the mineral slag of the divine corpse become the
      >     > which begins to shine? Will all the mineral parts of the earth
      shine – 
      >     > or will a part of it remain behind, dark and unredeemed’?
      >     >
      >     > Rudolf Steiner said: ‘All substance will be redeemed’. I then
      asked if
      >     > the moons of the planets will also be redeemed and he answered:
      >     > are the refuse, yet they will also be redeemed – all substance
      will be 
      >     > redeemed’.
      >     >
      >     > I: ‘Is there any waste matter apart from the moons’? Rudolf
      >     > ‘Yes, that will remain, but later on that too will be
      redeemed’. And 
      >     > then, with great seriousness: ‘If everything were not to be
      >     > that would mean that Ahriman would have triumphed. All substance
      >     > gradually be redeemed after a very long time. If anything should
      >     > lost, then Ahriman would be the victor’!
      >     >
      >     > I said: ‘I am also looking for the relationship of the
      >     > (world creator) to Ahriman’. He replied: ‘The Demiourgos is,
      so to 
      >     > say, the young Ahriman’.
      >     >
      >     > I: ‘His building material is the mineral’? Rudolf Steiner
      nodded and I
      >     > continued: ‘And when the Demiourgos meets the Christ will this
      >     > then become the Holy Grail?
      >     >
      >     > Rudolf Steiner: ‘Yes, that is correct’.
      >     >
      >     >
      >     >
      >     > /"If there is something more powerful than destiny, this
      must be the 
      >     > human being who bears destiny unshaken."/ Rudolf Steiner
      >     >
      >     >
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    • write3chairs
      ... Dottie, is this the same photo you posted here recently, in one of your messages? I couldn t find it in the photo section. Please let us know where we can
      Message 188 of 188 , May 8, 2009
        --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, dottie zold wrote:

        > Ottmar, we  had the good fortune to have Ehrenfried's
        > original painting of the heart that is mentioned in the
        > lecture: he stated that if one did not understand anything
        > he said if they would but just ponder the painting they
        > would understand. I walked up to the painting and just
        > began sobbing for some strange reason. I have a photo
        > of the painting and will put it in my photo part on AT.
        > I want to have it professionaly photographed and put to
        > the proper size for all future conferences as it is quite incredible.
        > All good things,
        > Dottie

        Dottie, is this the same photo you posted here recently,
        in one of your messages? I couldn't find it in the photo
        section. Please let us know where we can find it!


        > "If there is something more powerful than destiny,
        > this must be the human being who bears destiny unshaken."
        > Rudolf Steiner
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