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  • Rick Distasi
    Previously I posted a very brief treatise in regard to the incarnation of Ahriman and its possible point of position as Salton Trough, California. Robert
    Message 1 of 11 , Apr 6, 2009
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      Previously I posted a very brief treatise in regard to the incarnation of Ahriman and its possible point of position as Salton Trough, California. Robert Powell has recently published a book regarding tis very topic, "Christ and the Maya Calendar". I have yet to read the book but I do intend to secure a borrowed copy of it from the Rudolf Steiner Library/Ghent, N.Y.

      http://www.realitysandwich.com/christ_amp_maya_calendar_2012_amp_coming_antichrist

      One point that I did not address in my last post is in regard to a possible future and major earthquake that would serve as an indication that the physical incarnation of Ahriman will have taken place. I didn't think of this until a day later after I posted the 33rd parallel thread. The activity of Ahriman is often borne out in earthquakes and vulcanism. It also struck me that the incarnation of Ahriman would be rendered by some means of a most illicit initiation to the individual who will host the spirit of Ahriman.

      As I thought this over I came to the conclusion that this initiation/incarnation may possibly take place deep underground and that the earthquake might then occur sometime soon afterward. After this occured to me I then began searching Powell's writings on the web. I noticed that he ties Ahriman's incarnation with the planetary configurations of Pluto, the Roman god of the underworld. Maybe this was subconsciously coming back to me at this point because I have read Powell's works in the past and he did mention this particular cycle of Pluto which he cites as having its beginning in 1962.

      Between now and the end of 2012 a personal place of interest for me is Salton Trough California (south east Ca.) as the possible place of the incarnation which then erupts as an epicenter for an earthquake.

      rick distasi
    • Cheese Curve
      http://www.rsarchive.org/Forums/eliboard.php the case Powell, Powell made more prophesisez on the year 2000, but it seems all to be wrong in that time, so what
      Message 2 of 11 , Apr 7, 2009
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        http://www.rsarchive.org/Forums/eliboard.php
         
        the case Powell,
        Powell made more prophesisez on the year 2000,
        but it seems all to be wrong in that time,
        so what are his newest prophesys worth?
         
        Kees Kromme
         

        To: anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com
        From: radistasi2@...
        Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 20:21:36 +0000
        Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Christ and the Maya Calendar

        Previously I posted a very brief treatise in regard to the incarnation of Ahriman and its possible point of position as Salton Trough, California. Robert Powell has recently published a book regarding tis very topic, "Christ and the Maya Calendar". I have yet to read the book but I do intend to secure a borrowed copy of it from the Rudolf Steiner Library/Ghent, N.Y.

        http://www.realitys andwich.com/ christ_amp_ maya_calendar_ 2012_amp_ coming_antichris t

        One point that I did not address in my last post is in regard to a possible future and major earthquake that would serve as an indication that the physical incarnation of Ahriman will have taken place. I didn't think of this until a day later after I posted the 33rd parallel thread. The activity of Ahriman is often borne out in earthquakes and vulcanism. It also struck me that the incarnation of Ahriman would be rendered by some means of a most illicit initiation to the individual who will host the spirit of Ahriman.

        As I thought this over I came to the conclusion that this initiation/incarnat ion may possibly take place deep underground and that the earthquake might then occur sometime soon afterward. After this occured to me I then began searching Powell's writings on the web. I noticed that he ties Ahriman's incarnation with the planetary configurations of Pluto, the Roman god of the underworld. Maybe this was subconsciously coming back to me at this point because I have read Powell's works in the past and he did mention this particular cycle of Pluto which he cites as having its beginning in 1962.

        Between now and the end of 2012 a personal place of interest for me is Salton Trough California (south east Ca.) as the possible place of the incarnation which then erupts as an epicenter for an earthquake.

        rick distasi




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      • elfuncle
        Personally, I am disapponted that Steinerbooks, which has many excellent publications of Rudolf Steiner s works, stoops to accept this sort of manuscript,
        Message 3 of 11 , Apr 7, 2009
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          Personally, I am disapponted that Steinerbooks, which has many excellent publications of Rudolf Steiner's works, stoops to accept this sort of manuscript, especially when they carry  the Doctor's name. It must be the hard financial times we're in, but I think a cheap and vulgar erotic New Age novel would have been a more dignified endeavor to avoid bankruptcy.

          In the piece you're linking up to here, Rick, half of it is about Jeane Dixon, who predicted cure for cancer by 1967, nuclear war in the 1980's when the Soviets would attack Israel, and then a huge Catholic cross would appear on the sky for all to see and would bring about permanent world peace by 2000. Before all that, Jeane Dixon predicted that World War III would begin in 1958 over the offshore Chinese islands of Quemoy and Matsu, that labor leader Walter Reuther would run for president in 1964 and that the Soviets would have the first men to on the moon.

          It had commonly been reported that Dixon was born January 3, 1918; however, per the Social Security Death Index her actual birthdate was January 5, 1904.

          And Bob Dylan said:

          She's sixty-eight but she says she's fifty-four....

          And I said:

          Ain't gonna believe in Dixon's bullshit no more.....

          The Jehovah's Witnesses have done a better job, I think. But when it comes to the book at hand, just like most of the other imaginative anthro-eschatology that is being served these days, it's all about cleverness and creative head-thinking, pure intellectualism pandered as seership. And the authors are academics, scholars, historians with PhD's and lots of other books under their belts, out to bait their admirable colleague Mr. Staudenmaier.

          And lo and behold, one of the authors brags about his literary achievement in a Yahoo anthro-group for borderline basket cases who swallow it whole, and of course the hole picks up on this immediately with a little help from Tom, who can inform them that president Obama is supposed to be the forerunner of the antichrist, the anti-John the Baptist.

          Why didn't Dixon think of that one with regard to JFK, another rock star president of her very own purported generation? Well, there's another dimension involved here that Tom for sure knows to exploit when feeding the wolves, namely race, because all kinds of suspicions against blacks and Jews seem to flourish in Anthrowackoland, and apocalyptic demonology about the Obama family is bound to get some of those juices flowing.

          But I'm a prophet too, I also have visions for the future, and they turn out to be true. I said in 2001, and that's eight years ago, folks, after some extremely spacy and heated exchanges with self-proclaimed anthro-seers who threw psychotic temper tantrums when challenged, that there are anthro-wackos out there for sure, but we ain't seen nothin' yet, they're just apéritif's, tastes of much, much crazier things to come. And we still ain't seen nothin' yet.

          The book at hand, inspired by Jean Dixon of all people -- they might as well have picked Sylvia Browne instead, she's still around and with the same amount of credibility -- is only a cocktail or a piece of fruit to be followed by the first course, a apicey New Age anthro-soup for those who won't swallow the chemical life-origin soup. Because Ahriman is indeed preparing for his incarnation, and there is still a lot for him to do before his time arrives, a time that only he and his closest initiates know. And because we're talking about some time during the course of the first third of the third millennium according to RS, i.e. by 2333 at the latest, it's quite plausible that it will happen in a century or two, or perhaps in a half century, but people always want such things to take place in their own lifetimes, so they talk about the incarnation of Ahriman like the Jehovah's witnesses talk about the end of the world, constantly postponing the date and amending predictions like Dixon always did. But it's good publishing business, just like the Left Behind series.

          And this in the middle of Easter, the most profound Mystery of all time. Like I said, it's better to be lewd and vulgar in an honest manner than to play around like that with false propecies. The falsehood and the hype is easy to spot, but many New Agers are extremely gullible, and Ahriman is interested in misleading and sidetracking as many people as possible, so shame on you, naughty naughty.

          Tarjei



          --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Distasi" <radistasi2@...> wrote:
          >
          > Previously I posted a very brief treatise in regard to the incarnation of Ahriman and its possible point of position as Salton Trough, California. Robert Powell has recently published a book regarding tis very topic, "Christ and the Maya Calendar". I have yet to read the book but I do intend to secure a borrowed copy of it from the Rudolf Steiner Library/Ghent, N.Y.
          >
          > http://www.realitysandwich.com/christ_amp_maya_calendar_2012_amp_coming_antichrist
          >
          > One point that I did not address in my last post is in regard to a possible future and major earthquake that would serve as an indication that the physical incarnation of Ahriman will have taken place. I didn't think of this until a day later after I posted the 33rd parallel thread. The activity of Ahriman is often borne out in earthquakes and vulcanism. It also struck me that the incarnation of Ahriman would be rendered by some means of a most illicit initiation to the individual who will host the spirit of Ahriman.
          >
          > As I thought this over I came to the conclusion that this initiation/incarnation may possibly take place deep underground and that the earthquake might then occur sometime soon afterward. After this occured to me I then began searching Powell's writings on the web. I noticed that he ties Ahriman's incarnation with the planetary configurations of Pluto, the Roman god of the underworld. Maybe this was subconsciously coming back to me at this point because I have read Powell's works in the past and he did mention this particular cycle of Pluto which he cites as having its beginning in 1962.
          >
          > Between now and the end of 2012 a personal place of interest for me is Salton Trough California (south east Ca.) as the possible place of the incarnation which then erupts as an epicenter for an earthquake.
          >
          > rick distasi
          >

          --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Distasi" <radistasi2@...> wrote:
          >
          > Previously I posted a very brief treatise in regard to the incarnation of Ahriman and its possible point of position as Salton Trough, California. Robert Powell has recently published a book regarding tis very topic, "Christ and the Maya Calendar". I have yet to read the book but I do intend to secure a borrowed copy of it from the Rudolf Steiner Library/Ghent, N.Y.
          >
          > http://www.realitysandwich.com/christ_amp_maya_calendar_2012_amp_coming_antichrist
          >
          > One point that I did not address in my last post is in regard to a possible future and major earthquake that would serve as an indication that the physical incarnation of Ahriman will have taken place. I didn't think of this until a day later after I posted the 33rd parallel thread. The activity of Ahriman is often borne out in earthquakes and vulcanism. It also struck me that the incarnation of Ahriman would be rendered by some means of a most illicit initiation to the individual who will host the spirit of Ahriman.
          >
          > As I thought this over I came to the conclusion that this initiation/incarnation may possibly take place deep underground and that the earthquake might then occur sometime soon afterward. After this occured to me I then began searching Powell's writings on the web. I noticed that he ties Ahriman's incarnation with the planetary configurations of Pluto, the Roman god of the underworld. Maybe this was subconsciously coming back to me at this point because I have read Powell's works in the past and he did mention this particular cycle of Pluto which he cites as having its beginning in 1962.
          >
          > Between now and the end of 2012 a personal place of interest for me is Salton Trough California (south east Ca.) as the possible place of the incarnation which then erupts as an epicenter for an earthquake.
          >
          > rick distasi
          >

        • Mike helsher
          Tarjie you should start your own anti-gossip column..:) In the month long steiner study intensive I was in a while back, someone said that history is the
          Message 4 of 11 , Apr 7, 2009
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            Tarjie you should start your own anti-gossip column..:) In the month long steiner study intensive I was in a while back, someone said that "history is the ultimate gossip." And don't we know a few so called "historians" that love to gossip! Future makes for good gossip too. I'm staying here in Sedona, one of the new-age capitals of the world. At a table next to me in a local coffee shop, there was a lady that was charging $60 per half an hour to babble new-age psycho gossip to desperate spiritual seekers. Ah hell I admit that I like to feel the new-agey fluff sometimes, but I aint payin for it anymore. I sometimes think that that shit is harmless compared to the frozen intellectual mashed potatoes that poses as spiritual seer-ship. Steve Hales floundering fish-out-of-water pronouncements come to mind here about Jews and Uncle Ari and all that. Hamlet hit the nail on the head man..."believe none of us!" And last I heard our favorite guy to gossip about on this list had a very similar mindset.

            So I'm writing and re-writing this book idea lately and I hope to write about truth form my own perspective and experience, and it sometimes seems hopeless. Thoreau asked himself once "what is religion?" and answered, "that which cannot be spoken." I like to think of religion as connecting to truth. So I keep thinking I should just bag the whole idea cause I don't know much about truth, and I suck at writing. And then the other day I see that Jone Rivers new book is out and doing well. It's called "Men are stupid and they like big boobs" and I thought what the hell....:)

            Best

            Mike

            --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "elfuncle" <coolvibes@...> wrote:
            >
            > Personally, I am disapponted that Steinerbooks, which has many excellent
            > publications of Rudolf Steiner's works, stoops to accept this sort of
            > manuscript, especially when they carry the Doctor's name. It must be
            > the hard financial times we're in, but I think a cheap and vulgar erotic
            > New Age novel would have been a more dignified endeavor to avoid
            > bankruptcy.
            >
            > In the piece you're linking up to here, Rick, half of it is about Jeane
            > Dixon, who predicted cure for cancer by 1967, nuclear war in the 1980's
            > when the Soviets would attack Israel, and then a huge Catholic cross
            > would appear on the sky for all to see and would bring about permanent
            > world peace by 2000. Before all that, Jeane Dixon predicted that World
            > War III would begin in 1958 over the offshore Chinese islands of Quemoy
            > and Matsu, that labor leader Walter Reuther would run for president in
            > 1964 and that the Soviets would have the first men to on the moon.
            >
            > It had commonly been reported that Dixon was born January 3, 1918;
            > however, per the Social Security Death Index her actual birthdate was
            > January 5, 1904.
            >
            > And Bob Dylan said:
            >
            > She's sixty-eight but she says she's fifty-four....
            >
            > And I said:
            >
            > Ain't gonna believe in Dixon's bullshit no more.....
            >
            > The Jehovah's Witnesses have done a better job, I think. But when it
            > comes to the book at hand, just like most of the other imaginative
            > anthro-eschatology that is being served these days, it's all about
            > cleverness and creative head-thinking, pure intellectualism pandered as
            > seership. And the authors are academics, scholars, historians with PhD's
            > and lots of other books under their belts, out to bait their admirable
            > colleague Mr. Staudenmaier.
            >
            > And lo and behold, one of the authors brags about his literary
            > achievement in a Yahoo anthro-group for borderline basket cases who
            > swallow it whole, and of course the hole picks up on this immediately
            > with a little help from Tom, who can inform them that president Obama is
            > supposed to be the forerunner of the antichrist, the anti-John the
            > Baptist.
            >
            > Why didn't Dixon think of that one with regard to JFK, another rock star
            > president of her very own purported generation? Well, there's another
            > dimension involved here that Tom for sure knows to exploit when feeding
            > the wolves, namely race, because all kinds of suspicions against blacks
            > and Jews seem to flourish in Anthrowackoland, and apocalyptic demonology
            > about the Obama family is bound to get some of those juices flowing.
            >
            > But I'm a prophet too, I also have visions for the future, and they turn
            > out to be true. I said in 2001, and that's eight years ago, folks, after
            > some extremely spacy and heated exchanges with self-proclaimed
            > anthro-seers who threw psychotic temper tantrums when challenged, that
            > there are anthro-wackos out there for sure, but we ain't seen nothin'
            > yet, they're just apéritif's, tastes of much, much crazier things to
            > come. And we still ain't seen nothin' yet.
            >
            > The book at hand, inspired by Jean Dixon of all people -- they might as
            > well have picked Sylvia Browne instead, she's still around and with the
            > same amount of credibility -- is only a cocktail or a piece of fruit to
            > be followed by the first course, a apicey New Age anthro-soup for those
            > who won't swallow the chemical life-origin soup. Because Ahriman is
            > indeed preparing for his incarnation, and there is still a lot for him
            > to do before his time arrives, a time that only he and his closest
            > initiates know. And because we're talking about some time during the
            > course of the first third of the third millennium according to RS, i.e.
            > by 2333 at the latest, it's quite plausible that it will happen in a
            > century or two, or perhaps in a half century, but people always want
            > such things to take place in their own lifetimes, so they talk about the
            > incarnation of Ahriman like the Jehovah's witnesses talk about the end
            > of the world, constantly postponing the date and amending predictions
            > like Dixon always did. But it's good publishing business, just like the
            > Left Behind series.
            >
            > And this in the middle of Easter, the most profound Mystery of all time.
            > Like I said, it's better to be lewd and vulgar in an honest manner than
            > to play around like that with false propecies. The falsehood and the
            > hype is easy to spot, but many New Agers are extremely gullible, and
            > Ahriman is interested in misleading and sidetracking as many people as
            > possible, so shame on you, naughty naughty.
            >
            > Tarjei
            >
            >
            >
            > --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Distasi"
            > <radistasi2@> wrote:
            > >
            > > Previously I posted a very brief treatise in regard to the incarnation
            > of Ahriman and its possible point of position as Salton Trough,
            > California. Robert Powell has recently published a book regarding tis
            > very topic, "Christ and the Maya Calendar". I have yet to read the book
            > but I do intend to secure a borrowed copy of it from the Rudolf Steiner
            > Library/Ghent, N.Y.
            > >
            > >
            > http://www.realitysandwich.com/christ_amp_maya_calendar_2012_amp_coming_\
            > antichrist
            > >
            > > One point that I did not address in my last post is in regard to a
            > possible future and major earthquake that would serve as an indication
            > that the physical incarnation of Ahriman will have taken place. I didn't
            > think of this until a day later after I posted the 33rd parallel thread.
            > The activity of Ahriman is often borne out in earthquakes and vulcanism.
            > It also struck me that the incarnation of Ahriman would be rendered by
            > some means of a most illicit initiation to the individual who will host
            > the spirit of Ahriman.
            > >
            > > As I thought this over I came to the conclusion that this
            > initiation/incarnation may possibly take place deep underground and that
            > the earthquake might then occur sometime soon afterward. After this
            > occured to me I then began searching Powell's writings on the web. I
            > noticed that he ties Ahriman's incarnation with the planetary
            > configurations of Pluto, the Roman god of the underworld. Maybe this was
            > subconsciously coming back to me at this point because I have read
            > Powell's works in the past and he did mention this particular cycle of
            > Pluto which he cites as having its beginning in 1962.
            > >
            > > Between now and the end of 2012 a personal place of interest for me is
            > Salton Trough California (south east Ca.) as the possible place of the
            > incarnation which then erupts as an epicenter for an earthquake.
            > >
            > > rick distasi
            > >
            >
            > --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Distasi"
            > <radistasi2@> wrote:
            > >
            > > Previously I posted a very brief treatise in regard to the incarnation
            > of Ahriman and its possible point of position as Salton Trough,
            > California. Robert Powell has recently published a book regarding tis
            > very topic, "Christ and the Maya Calendar". I have yet to read the book
            > but I do intend to secure a borrowed copy of it from the Rudolf Steiner
            > Library/Ghent, N.Y.
            > >
            > >
            > http://www.realitysandwich.com/christ_amp_maya_calendar_2012_amp_coming_\
            > antichrist
            > >
            > > One point that I did not address in my last post is in regard to a
            > possible future and major earthquake that would serve as an indication
            > that the physical incarnation of Ahriman will have taken place. I didn't
            > think of this until a day later after I posted the 33rd parallel thread.
            > The activity of Ahriman is often borne out in earthquakes and vulcanism.
            > It also struck me that the incarnation of Ahriman would be rendered by
            > some means of a most illicit initiation to the individual who will host
            > the spirit of Ahriman.
            > >
            > > As I thought this over I came to the conclusion that this
            > initiation/incarnation may possibly take place deep underground and that
            > the earthquake might then occur sometime soon afterward. After this
            > occured to me I then began searching Powell's writings on the web. I
            > noticed that he ties Ahriman's incarnation with the planetary
            > configurations of Pluto, the Roman god of the underworld. Maybe this was
            > subconsciously coming back to me at this point because I have read
            > Powell's works in the past and he did mention this particular cycle of
            > Pluto which he cites as having its beginning in 1962.
            > >
            > > Between now and the end of 2012 a personal place of interest for me is
            > Salton Trough California (south east Ca.) as the possible place of the
            > incarnation which then erupts as an epicenter for an earthquake.
            > >
            > > rick distasi
            > >
            >
          • elfuncle
            ... Not very tempting; gossip is everywhere, and manistream media are full of it. But the stuff reeking up from the Unthinkable Facility beats all records:
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              --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "Mike helsher" <mhelsher@...> wrote:
              >
              > Tarjie you should start your own anti-gossip column..:)


              Not very tempting; gossip is everywhere, and manistream media are full of it. But the stuff reeking up from the Unthinkable Facility beats all records:

              "Roger Rawlings" writes (Mon Apr 6, 2009 7:41 pm )

              The ravings of this "astropher" are grimly amusing — but they are also quite
              vile. Is there much chatter of this sort among Anthroposophists, associating
              Obama with the Antichrist? I'd be eager to hear from anyone who is aware of such
              postings, etc. — statements by Anthroposophists calling Obama either the
              Antichrist or his forerunner, and/or statements that speculate along these
              lines. They should be exposed. They potentially reinforce the racist delusions
              of deranged individuals who would like to assassinate the first African-American
              President. Thus, this may be a case in which the lunacy of Anthroposophy
              potentially becomes complicit in horrific criminality.

              - Roger

              He isn't dropping any names, but from the looks of it, wackos who publibly anthrobabble trippy stuff about the US president and antichrist like that may expect a visit from Secret Service anytime after a hint like the above. I believe mr. Rawlings is trying to start an ugly and dangerous piece of gossip, but what's the hole about  anyway?....

              The moral of the story (from Uncle Taz): Think twice before anthrobabbling openly about your most bizarre dreams.

              Tarjei
            • Kees hotmail
              for those who can read german: 27-10-1999. The case Powell. In reply to Lutz Baar (LB) by Kees Kromme (KK). 1.Introduction. On 31-8-1999 there appeared a
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                for those who can read german:
                 
                 

                27-10-1999.

                The case Powell.

                In reply to Lutz Baar (LB) by Kees Kromme (KK).

                 

                1.Introduction.

                On 31-8-1999 there appeared a message on this internet-forum-board  from Lutz Baar (Sweden) http://www.elib.com/Steiner/Forums/eliboard.php3 headline: 2nd Coming. Later (16-10-99) also on the german forum: http://www.elib.com/Steiner/Forums/gerboard.php3

                headline: 2nd Coming, Different opinions.

                This message referring the book of Powell “Chronicle of the living Christ”.

                In this message mentioned that the second (etheric) Mysterie of Golgatha shall take place on September 3-5 in 1999. This should be according verdicts of Rudolf Steiner (as was twice referred). Powell adds a precise date to the predictions of Steiner, according Lutz.

                The writer of this article Kees Kromme (Holland) known with some former ideas of Powell via the book of Prokofieff; ”the case Tomberg” and studying this theme according Steiner and Aharon, felt the necessity for first reakt on 1-9-99.

                This leads to this discussion, referring Powells latest book “Das grösste Geheimnis unseres Zeitalters, Gedanken zur Wiederkunft des Christus”. Allways meant where said;"the book of Powell later in this discussion.

                It is not the question if this is indeed the biggest, greatest event in our days, but if the way in which Powell describes this event is according Anthroposofic, Michaelic thoughts.

                In this sense, I hope that the one who reads this will cooperate with us, to get clearity about this difficult theme. Because according Lutz Baar, there are different opinions and according my vision, there are controversed opinions. (Please read the whole earlier discussion from 31-8 till now.) The discussion is both in (bad) english and german. All bold text and underlinings are from me (KK).

                 

                2.Different or controverse opinions?

                (KK) In my letter from 26-9-1999 I mentioned according my opinion some controverses in the text of Powells book.

                Reaktion from Lutz (LB):”Anthroposofic authors (even Steiner and Ben Aharon) often describes a certain aspect in a certain situation without marking out clearly that certain aspect.” and ”But in a way Steiner himself causes understanding trouble in this matter, this event” .(Meant is the dating of the 2nd (etheric) crucifying which Steiner earlier very clearly dated in the 19 century).

                (KK) In my short opinion is Lutz saying: Steiner is often unclear and he self is cause of misunderstanding! 

                Should it not be possible to projekt own misunderstanding on others?!

                 

                What is the matter? Is it true that Steiner is unclear in the above mentioned way? It “seems” to be so that Steiner is unclear if you only read few lectures. In one lecture it is impossible to give a total picture or imagination or all points of view. Steiner f.e. mentioned that there are 12 possibly pictures (points of view) about some cases. (GA?? date) About the whole process of the 2nd Coming Steiner gives us very much points of view.

                In the german book:”Rudolf Steiner über die Wiederkunft Christi (Das Ätherische Christus-Wirken, band II, by Harald Giersch)” only over 100 pages are filled with references to lectures to just this theme.

                 

                (LB) citates Powells introduction partially on page 9 :

                (GA 131, 7-10-1911, Von Jesus zu Christus)

                (RS)"Woher kommt es denn überhaupt, dass vom 20 Jahrhundert ab der Christus Jesus immer mehr hereintreten wird in das gewöhnliche Bewusstsein der Menschen? - Das hat folgenden Grund.

                Ebenso wie auf dem physischen Plan im Beginne unserer Zeitrechnung in Palästina ein Ereignis sich abgespielt hat, in welchem der Christus die wesentlichste Rolle spielte, ein Ereignis, das Bedeutung hat für die ganze Menschheit, so wird sich im Laufe des 20. Jahrhunderts, gegen das Ende des 20. Jahrhunderts zu, wiederum ein bedeutsames Ereignis abspielen; allerdings nicht in der physischen Welt, sondern in den höheren Welten, und zwar in derjenigen Welt, die wir zunächst als die Welt des Ätherischen bezeichnen. Und dieses Ereignis wird ebenso grundlegende Bedeutung für die Entwickelung der Menschheit haben, wie das Ereignis von Palästina im Beginne unserer Zeitrechnung."

                 

                (KK) Here stopped the first part of the quotation , but I think what now follows as the second part of the quotation is important to understand what is meant with the“certain unclearity:

                 

                 (RS)" Gerade wie wir sagen müssen: für den Christus selber hatte das Ereignis von Golgatha die Bedeutung, dass eben mit diesem Ereignisse ein Gott gestorben ist, ein Gott den Tod überwunden hat..., so wird sich ein Ereignis abspielen von tiefgehender Bedeutung, das nur nicht auf dem physischen Plane sich vollzieht, sondern in der ätherischen Welt. Und dadurch, dass dieses Ereignis sich vollzieht, dadurch wird die Möglichkeit geschaffen, dass eben die Menschen den Christus sehen lernen, schauen werden.

                Welches ist dieses Ereignis?

                Dieses Ereignis (event) ist kein anderes, als dass ein gewisses Amt im Weltenall für die menschheitliche Entwickelung in dem 20. Jahrhundert übergeht - in einer erhöhteren Weise übergeht, als das bis jetzt der Fall war - an den Christus. Und zwar lehrt uns die okkulte, die hellseherische Forschung, dass in unserm Zeitalter das Wichtige eintritt, dass der Christus der Herr des Karma für die Menschheitsentwickelung wird. Und dies ist der Beginn für dasjenige, was wir auch in den Evangelien mit den Worten angedeutet finden: Er werde wiederkommen, zu scheiden oder die Krisis herbeizuführen für die Lebendigen und die Toten. - Nur ist im Sinne der okkulten Forschung dieses Ereignis nicht so zu verstehen, als ob es ein einmaliges Ereignis wäre, das auf dem physischen Plan sich abspielt, sondern es hängt mit der ganzen zukünftigen Entwickelung der Menschheit zusammen. Und während das Christentum und die christliche Entwickelung bisher eine Art von Vorbereitung bedeutet, tritt jetzt das Bedeutsame ein, dass der Christus der Herr des Karma wird, dass ihm es obliegen wird, in der Zukunft zu bestimmen, welches unser karmisches Konto ist, wie unser Soll und Haben im Leben sich zueinander verhalten."

                About this first part of the quotation (LB) says  ”If you compare the statements you refer to (GA152, 2-5-1913 beyond) with the Steiner citation (GA131, 7-10-1911 above) .. one can get the impression that the same event will happen at the end of this century. And that is exactly what Powells book is focused on”.

                For clearness I (KK) repeat here again what Steiner said about the 2nd Crucifying:

                In “Vorstufen zum Mysterium von Golgatha” (GA 152, London 2 may 1913)

                (RS)" Dieses Opfer des Christus im 19.Jahrhundert ist vergleichbar dem Opfer auf den physischen Plan in Mysterium von Golgatha und kann als die zweite Kreuzigung des Christus auf dem Ätherplan bezeichnet werden.”

                And “Zweimal schon ist der Christus gekreuzigt worden; das eine Mal physisch in der physischen Welt im Anfang unseres Zeitalters und ein zweites Mal im 19.Jahrhundert spirituell in der beschriebenen Wiese”.

                (KK) If you compare the second part of the quotation above (Powell did probably not and Lutz too) you are able to understand that Steiner mentioned here, that the fact that Christ is becoming Lord of Karma is meant here. If the same event would happen again then we could talk about an 3rd crucifying!

                 (KK) While this focussing by Powell and Lutz on the different aspects of the whole Christ event and bringing them together as the same,  I think the unclearity is born. Can we say that “Steiner himself causes understanding trouble in this matter, this event.”    No!, but those who do not know the other viewpoints or those who will not know so much other viewpoints, they made themselves the unclearity! They project their own unclearity and misunderstanding on other fellows!

                As an example of this (RP-p.111):"..vor allem das Ende dieser Zeit (im September 1999),wie wir zeigten), wurde von Rudolf Steiner schon im Jahr 1911 erwähnt, wie wir in der Einfuhrung dargelegt haben." And later "..auf das sich Rudolf Steiner nicht explizit, aber implizit bezieht, wenn er vom Ende des zwanzigsten Jahrhunderts spricht."(p.114).

                "es ist ein Ziel dieses Buches, die Aufmerksamkeit auf dieses Ereignis zu richten,.."(p.115-116)

                 

                In GA265, 8-2-1913 (p.334,33) which one Powell is also referring (so he could know following text)  Steiner adds to the earlier quotation of 2-5-1913 and 7-10-1911:

                (RS)" Das Neue, was jetzt allmählich den Menschen (mitgeteilt) geoffenbart werden wird, ist eine Erinnerung oder Wiederholung desjenigen, was Paulus bei Damaskus erlebt hat. Er schaute die Äthergestalt des Christus. Dass diese aber jetzt fur uns sichtbar werden soll, ruhrt von der Tatsache her, dass in der Ätherwelt gleichsam ein neues Mysterium von Golgatha sich abgespielt hat. Das, was hier in der physischen Welt bei der Kreuzigung stattgefunden hat infolge des Hasses der nicht verstehenden Menschen, das hat sich jetzt auf dem Ätherplan wiederholt durch den Hass der Menschen, die als Materialisten nach dem Tode in die Ätherwelt eingetreten sind.

                Man halte sich noch einmal vor die Seele, wie bei dem Mysterium von Golgatha ein Kreuz aufgerichtet wurde aus totem Holz, an dem der Leib des Christus hing. Und dann schauen wir jenes Kreuzesholz in der Ätherwelt als spriessendes, sprossendes Holz, grünes, lebendiges Holz, das durch die Flammen des Hasses verkohlt ist und an dem nur noch die sieben bluhenden Rosen erscheinen, die siebenfache Natur des Christus darstellend, dann haben wir da das Bild von dem zweiten Mysterium von Golgatha, das sich jetzt in der Ätherwelt abgespielt hat. Und durch dieses Absterben, dieses zweite Sterben des Christus, ist es moglich geworden, dass wir jenen Ätherleib schauen werden. Die Verdichtung, den toten Teil des Ätherleibs des Christus Jesus werden die Menschen schauen.”

                 

                3.Not in the physic world, the etheric body/world.

                (KK)In the quotation (7-10-1911) is said about the event :”(RS)…nicht in der physischen Welt”.

                So you/we can ask yourself if there could be an agreement between this Event and between earthquakes and unusual good weather and green trees as Lutz remarks? I don’t know if the Chinese and American people will describe the hurricanes and floods aso as good weather?

                 

                Here we come to an very important understanding of the being of the etheric body of the Christ. Is that a static, to calculate in time organism?

                In GA143, p.184 8-5-1912 Steiner describes:

                ‘So wird ein Ausspruch in der bibel sehr real, wenn man weiss, dass aus den mitleids- und liebe geühlen der Menschen der Lebensleib des Christus sich bildet…,… denn Christus bildet seinen Lebensleib bis ans Ende der Erdenentwickelung aus Mitleid und Liebe der Menschen… so bildet er seinen Ätherleib aus den Gefühlen des Mitleids und der Liebe.”

                (KK) Because of that the building of this etheric body is dependend on free human acts (the becoming 10th hierarchie), this could never be calculated. Only the Father knows when…

                We as human (anthropos) would not becoming free beings when the time of Coming was fixed.

                What means :(RP)"und der Ätherleib des Christus ist im Wesentlichen ein unendlich dichterer Lebensleib als der menschliche Ätherleib."?

                How about next constructed passage of Powell ?;"Wenn wir auch dem Ätherleib Christi zentrale Bedeutung für die Wiederkunft zuerkennen, da dieses Ereignis im Bereich des Ätherischen stattfindet, so sollten wir doch nicht die Tatsache aus dem Blick verlieren, dass auch die anderen Wesensglieder des Christus miteinander verbunden und aktiv an dem Ereignis der Wiederkunft beteiligt sind" Please meditate what is said here!

                Please note that the etheric body of the Christ is to be seen in the astral world, not in the physic world.(GA145, 29-3-1913). This also very clear described by Aharon in his second book (see beyond).

                Powell focusses on a quit other aspect of the etheric as shown in quotations beyond:

                (RP) "Die Natur, die mit Ätherkräften durchsetzt ist, ist besonders davon berührt."(p.11)

                "..göttlicher Liebe in das Reich der Natur…"(p.23,26,28,58 Schamballa, in Mutter Natur)

                and unusual good weather and green trees as Lutz remarks

                "So wird um 2133/2134 eine Wiedervereinigung von Christi Ich mit seinem Ätherleib stattfinden…"

                Steiner:

                ”(RS)…nicht in der physischen Welt”.

                (RS) "Die Verdichtung, den toten Teil des Ätherleibs des Christus Jesus werden die Menschen schauen.”

                 

                The big question will be, will Christ save our physical world by enlivening it? Or is this old world dieing  and is He making a complete new earth (beginning with the etheric Shamballah), "Mein Reich ist nicht von dieser Welt"? Who is King of this old world? I could give quotations on this theme f.e. out of the bible and from Steiner of this dieing world, but the reader himself may also make some research in this case.

                 

                4.Mysterie of Evil.

                (KK) In my letter from 26-9-99 I mentioned the poor confused quality of the descriptions of the art of being and working of the counterforces by Powell. It would take to much time to charakterize them in this moment, other authors have done that (see my 1st reaktion 1-9-990). But I will give some quotations from Steiner about this theme. The reader can compare this with the one from Powell.

                (ST)”Wir haben jetzt bevorstehend das Zeitalter der dritten 666: 1998. Zum Ende dieses Jahrhunderts kommen wir zu dem Zeitpunkt, wo Sorat wiederum aus den Fluten der Evolution am stärksten sein Haupt erheben wird, wo er sein wird der Widersacher jenes Anblickes des Christus, den die dazu vorbereiteten Menschen schon in der ersten Hälfte des 20.Jahrhunderts haben werden durch die Sichtbarwerdung des ätherischen Christus. Es wird noch zwei Drittel des Jahrhunderts dauern, bis Sorat in mächtiger Weise sein Haupt erheben wird.”

                “Auf das Hineintreten des Michael in die geistige Evolution der Menschheit mit dem Ende des 19.Jahrhunderts und des ätherischen Christus in der ersten Hälfte des 20.Jahrhunderts wird folgen das Hereintreten des Sonnendämons vor Ablauf dieses Jahrhunderts.” (GA346, 12-9-1924) .

                “Richten wir als verstehende Menschen, die die Zeichen der Zeit zu deuten wissen, unser Leben ein im Sinne dieser drei Mysterien unserer Zeit: des Michael-Mysteriums, des Christus-Mysteriums und des Sorat-Mysteriums, dann werden wir auf dem Gebiete, das uns unser Karma angewiesen hat, in der richtigen Weise wirken...”

                In all his time-calculations Powell calls the year 1998 because of Sorat only once (p.93,120) .

                He says (RP):’Dieser Prophet wird ein Gefäss für die Inspiration des sogenannten “Sonnendämon” (Sorat) sein, dessen Zahl 666 ist, wie oben beschrieben. 1998 (=3x666) kann sehr wohl das Jahr sein, in dem der Prophet sein Werk begonnen hat,…. This as illustration how Powell is counting sometimes. When Steiner mention no dates, Powell adds them and where Steiner mentions exact dates, Powell almost forgets them.

                Only as question to meditate we can ask ourselves what the relation of the Sundemon Sorat is to the false Prophet and the anti-Christ (the two-horned Beast), to Ahriman (Satan).

                 

                (RS) GA.., 26-10-1918  in Geschichtliche Symptomatologie Steiner describes:

                “Jetzt, wo der Christus wiederum im Ätherischen erscheinen soll, wo wiederum eine Art Mysterium von Golgotha erlebt werden soll, jetzt wird das Böse eine ähnliche Bedeutung haben wie Geburt und Tod für den vierten nachatlantischen Zeitraum. Im vierten nachatlantischen Zeitraum entwickelte der Christus Jesus seinen Impuls für die Erdenmenschheit aus dem Tode heraus. Und man darf sagen: Aus dem erfolgten Tode heraus wurde das, was in die Menschheit einfloss.- So wird aus dem Bösen heraus auf eine sonderbare, paradoxe Art die Menschheit des fünften nachatlantischen Zeitraums zu der Erneuerung des Mysteriums von Golgatha geführt. Durch das Erleben des Bösen wird zustandegebracht, dass der Christus wieder erscheinen kann, wie er durch den Tod im vierten nachatlantischen Zeitraum erschienen ist.”

                 

                (RS)“Ich habe in den vorangehenden Vorträgen gesagt, was die Menschen des fünften nachatlantischen Zeitraums kennenlernen müssen, das ist: den vollbewussten Kampf gegen das in der Menschheitsentwickelung auftretende Böse(GA 178, blz.175)

                Powell writes:”Diese Trubsal ist ein Ausdruck des jetzt stattfindenden Kampfes zwischen den Kraften der Finsternis, die uns an die physische Ebene des Bewusstseins und den physischen Leib ketten wollen, und dem Ätherischen Christus, der uns zu einem Bewusstsein der ätherischen Seinsebene fuhrt.” And "(RP)…dass wir es auf den Kampf zwischen Christus und Satan anwenden,…"(p.116)

                Can you imagine Christ Himself fighting the counterforces? Is that the manicheistic way to redempt them? How did the "fight" against the counterforces in the 40 days in the desert took place? How described Aharon this? How about the free will of human, and Christ waiting for that free will, with only can led to love (out of freedom)? How about Michael? What is his most important role? I miss almost (except on p.117,118) this Time Spirit as fighter against the counterforces in Powells story.

                 

                5.Exact calculations, human freedom.

                There is spoken by Lutz about a certain unclearity by antroposofic authors. I hope to have shown above, that this unclearity is not to find by Steiner and Aharon (see below) theirselves. But how about Powell as anthroposofic author?

                (Un)fortunately Powell is in his book sometimes very clear! (but sometimes not!).

                Powell writes:(RP) "Die Kenntnis des 331/3-Jahres-Rhythmus befähigt uns, den Zeitpunkt dieses Wiedererscheinens genau (is clear, exact) herauszufinden.” and “..wobei etwa einhunderd Jahre in jeder Hierarchie verbracht werden (3x331/3 Jahre).” (p.14). (He talks here about the journey of the Christ to the Father through the spheres of the hierarchies.) So comes Powell f.e. beginning from the year 33 to 1899 and to 1999 in his calculations. (tabel p.15).

                (KK) I repeat here again Steiners quotation: ”Nur der Vater weiss Tag und Stunde – wie das Evangelium sagt.”(GA 265 24-10-1912, p.361) And in a note beyond this same page;(RS) "Wenige werden nur durch Gnade, als Auserwählte, zum Schauen durch den Christus berufen, die anderen müssen sich durch Meditation und durch heiligen Dienst dazu entwickeln. Tag und Stunde für jeden weiss nur der Vater allein, aber sie wird für jeden kommen.”

                (KK) The rhytme of 33 years (not only of the etheric body) is described by Steiner as follows:(RS)"Denn alle Dinge im geschichtlichen Werden erstehen nach dreiunddreissig Jahren in verwandelter Gestalt aus dem Grabe, durch eine Gewalt, die zusammenhangt mit dem Heiligsten und Erlösendsten, das die Menschheit durch das Mysterium von Golgatha bekommen hat.” (GA180, 23-12-1917).

                (KK) Lets ask (y)ourselves if this rhytme is meant as one to calculate static time-chain 331/3-662/3-100 aso aso? Every hundred years in 3 periods? Or as a birth-impulse of an event and the resurrection-impulse 33 years later from that particular dynamic event.

                Christ is bringing us the living-time (GA236, 4-12-1924). But what will mean the deathen time? Is that the time we are able to calculate? (RP)"Die Mechanisierung des Denkens” (p.124), the earth-bound intellekt.

                Because Powell is sometimes so exact, the more remarkable it is, that in other parts of his book (p.40,44,48,63) the time of the journey through the hierarchies of the angels is not 100 year (1799-1899) but now 12 years (1920-1932) instead. That is not to understand in my opinion by presuming different rhytms for the etheric body and the I of  the Christ.

                 

                In “Mitteilungen für die Mitglieder der deutschen sektion der Theosophischen Gesellschaft” (may, june 1909, Berlin.), Steiner remarks:(RS)" ..aber vollkommen kann ich dem beistimmen, dass der Christus – in bezug auf die Art und den Zeitpunkt zeigen mir meine Erkenntnisse anderes als Mrs.Besant – wiederkommen wird, und dass ihn diejenigen erkennen werden, welche dazu vorbereitet sind. Man sollte aber vielmehr das Vorbereitetsein betonen als das Wiederkommen. Es konnte leicht der fall sein, dass die Menschen den Christus haben, ihn aber nicht erkennen, wenn er auch länger als drei Jahre unter ihnen wäre. Es kommt darauf an, dass man immer mehr die Fähigkeit der Erkenntnis ausbildet. Warten Sie und entwickeln Sie in Geduld die Fähigkeit, ihn zu erkennen, Es ist im Grunde genommen der Menschheit ein schlechter Dienst geleistet, wenn auf eine bestimmte Zeit hingewiesen wird. Daher ist es besser, die Mittel zu betonen, welche zum Erkennen des Christus hinfuhren.”

                (RS)"Wenige werden nur durch Gnade, als Auserwahlte, zum Schauen durch den Christus berufen, die anderen mussen sich durch Meditation und durch heiligen Dienst dazu entwickeln. Tag und Stunde für jeden weiss nur der Vater allein, aber sie wird für jeden kommen.”

                (KK) The Christ-event is thus an individual one, thus I agree with Lutz following: (LB) “In my microcosmos, am I not nailing Christ to his cross again, every time I betray him?”

                Now back to Powells book. (RP) “Zweifellos wird in dieser Zeit (after 3-5 September) in den ganzen Welt eine Golgatha-Stimmung herrschen.”(p.127).

                (KK) Is that an individual happening-event, or for mankind as a whole? The reader may say it! What does it mean as an author declares, that the second etheric crucifying will take place exact on 3 September 1999, in the light of all above mentioned quotations? " ein schlechter Dienst"

                That the etheric resurrection will take place on 5 Sept.99 (p.115) but otherwise also in the year 2133/2134 (p.84)?

                 

                6.New Age.

                Powells relation to New Age.

                David Spangler in his book “Revelation": is positivily quotated by Powell (p.31,75).

                RP)"im Wesentlichen christlich orientiert".

                This quotations of Spanglers “Christ”-experience you can read yourself. But I will give some other quotations out of this book Revelation, with the following remark that I must translate parts of it from Dutch into (bad) English. When somebody has the original english, I would be glad if you will participate in this discussion and add them.

                18-8-1970 Chapter V:

                The being that is introduced here as “Christ": says:”When nucleair powers could been used, then should be the energies of it be revelations of myself” and “When the energies of atompower would be given free, they will be from me and my revelation will happen”.

                15-8-1970 “Am I God? Am I a Christus?- I am this all, but more than that.” Much more of this sort of remarks could be found.

                Steiner:“dann gibt es eine noch furchtbarere Kraft, die nicht mehr lange wird geheim gehalten werden können. Man muss nur wünschen, dass wenn diese Kraft kommt, die wir uns viel, viel stärker vorstellen müssen als die stärksten elektrischen Entladungen, und die jedenfalls kommen wird - dann muss man wünschen, dass, bevor diese Kraft der Menschheit durch einen Erfinder gegeben wird, die Menschen nichts Unmoralisches mehr an sich haben werden!”(GA 130, 1-11-1911, Basel)

                 

                The reader himself can decide if my quotated remark (GA 178, 18-11-1917) about the etheric anti-christ is up to date according above.

                Steiner gives us the following warning:” Es gibt westliche Brüderschaften, welche das Bestreben haben, dem Christus seinem Impuls streitig zu machen und eine andere Individualität, die nicht einmal irgendwann im Fleische erschienen ist, sondern nur eine ätherische Individualität, aber streng ahrimanischer Natur ist, an die Stelle zu setzen”…..”Denn das andere Wesen das diese Brüderschaften zum Herrscher machen wollen, dieses andere Wesen, das werden die ja als den <<Christus>> benennen, richtig als den <<Christus>> benennen!”

                 

                7.Anthroposofic field.

                As I wrote before, much more is to say about/against this Powell book. Every human makes mistakes. Thats no problem at all. When clean Michaelic thoughts can help us to overcome mistakes, we must be glad. But what if man will stay by the “Widersprüche” (contradictions)? What is an enemy of anthroposophy? Are the counterforces not in each of us?

                Lutz wrote:”In other fields of investigation the researchers sent their reports to fellow researcher to broden the matter. Not so in the anthroposofic field. Here we try  to have “clear Michaelic thoughts” on things. That is to say if we disagree with someones thoughts we find it adequate not to respect one another. Is this teaching we learned from Steiner? If so, Powell is a bad pupil, since he refers to a book by Prokofieff positivily on page 11.”

                About this “positivily” referring we have to speak at the headline Prokofieff beyond.

                 

                You are right, we must respect another, although we can believe that the other lives in great illusions. Besides the clean Michaelic thoughts we need also the love of Christ in our relations with the other. I am sorry if I showed lack of this love in the past. I will try to better it now and in the future, thats why I take so much time to write this (long) letter. I hope to free someone from illusions just because of the Christ.

                I would also never say in general, that “in the anthroposofic field” happens that or that, we are all individuals and together antropos. We may hope also to be in contact with Sophia.

                 

                8.Prokofieff about : Sophia, anthroposophia, trinosophia.

                It is strange that Powell refers in a “positivily” way (according Lutz) to the book “Die himmlische Sophia und das Wesen Anthroposofie” from Sergej O.Prokofieff, why does he do this?

                As you can know researched Prokofieff together with Lazarides in another book “the case Tomberg (1995), chapter 10- Die heutigen Anhänger Tombergs und ihre Pläne “not so positively about Powell.

                Lutz wrote 22-9-99: a discussion about the Tomberg/ Prokofieff case not to find fruitful, but he declared not why.

                Powells book (1999) came much later than Prokofieffs book (1995), so he could know what Prokofieff said about his own (Powells) book “the most holy Trinosophia” (1990) and Hermetic astrologie (1987), but yet he referred.

                 

                In “Der Fall Tomberg” (the case Tomberg) Prokofieff writes (p.117-1995): ”Worin besteht aber nach R.Powell die zweite, ätherische Wiederkunft des Christus, die nach Angaben Rudolf Steiners im zwanzigsten Jahrhundert beginnt und in den nachsten 3000 Jahren die ganze Menschheit ergreifen wird? Nach Powell hat sie eine ganz andere Aufgabe:”Die Wiederkehr [des Christus] erscheint als Erfüllung der geschichtlichen Entwicklung der Kirche bis zur heutigen Zeit”. Gemeint ist dabei selbstverständlich die römisch-katholische Kirche. (Hermetic Astrology).

                And besides much other facts, with I cannot resume here (you are invited to read the book yourself):

                (SOP)“Unter den Schriften von R.Powell nimmt diejenige einen besonderen Platz ein mit dem Titel “The most holy Trinosophia”….eine merkwürdige Lehre über eine neue, diesmal weibliche Trinität aufgestellt….(and quotating RP) Somit ist die Erkenntnis – wie die von Mutter, Tochter und heiliger Seele, die allerheiligste Trnosophia beinhaltend – die erste Stufe zum neuen Kultus der Jungfrau auf der Grundlage der Anthroposophie”.

                Powells words in his latest book (p.11):”Sophia ist das Wesen, auf das in der “Offenbarung des Johannes” als die Braut des Lammes hingewiesen wird. Sie begleitet Christus . Es gibt ein intimes Weben zwischen Sophia, der gottlichen Weisheit, und Christus, der göttlichen Liebe. Und wie Sergej Prokofieff in seinem Buch über die Himmlische Sophia gezeigt hat, ist Anthroposophie ein Abkommling der göttlichen Sophia.”

                What does it mean to say, that Powell refers in a "positivily" way to Prokofieff? As Prokofieff self judged the way Powell talks about Sophia and Anthroposophia! This is hypocrysie! Indeed a bad pupil obviously. Not to speak here about the katholic Bodhisatva-question, a world apart!

                 

                9.Aharon.

                (LB) refers to Aharon as making the same mistake using the expression “zweiten Mysterium von Golgatha (p.70) in his vision of 1933 to 1945” and using the expression “zweite Kreuzigung” as an analogy. But Aharon made not that certain unclearity in that certain situation as described above by Lutz. In  his book “The spiritual Event of the Twentieht Century. An Imagination.” In the german note 42 (p.99, Das spirituelle Ereignis des 20.Jahrhunderts Eine Imagination) Aharon says: ”Dies ist die Fortführung und Erfüllung von Christi zweiten Mysterium von Golgatha, seines manichäischen Opfergangs, der am Ende des 19.Jahrhunderts begann.” In that note he declares Christs relation to the evil. As described above.

                 

                In his very first note nr.1 Aharon refers  in his 1st book to Prokofieff: “Rudolf Steiner und die Grundlegung der neuen Mysterien”, and as I know personally from Aharon, this was not without reason the first note in the first book. A real positiv relation to him.

                In another note 32 Aharon refers Prokofieff again:”Die luziferische okkulte Stromung des Ostens hat in diesem Jahrhundert grosse Anstrengungen unternommen, ein falsches, antichristliches Bild von Schamballa im Bewusstsein der Menschen zu verbreiten…..”Der Osten im Lichte des Westens, Prokofieff”.

                In note 34 and 35 Aharon adds:”Wir verstehen darunter dasjenige, was Rudolf Steiner als die neue Ätherische Sphare beschrieben hat. Diese wurde im Umkreis der Erde durch die Ansammlung Christus-durchdrungener, unvergänglicher Überreste von menschlichen Ätherischen Leibern seit dem Mysterium von Golgatha geschaffen, (GA112, 6-7-1909).

                Diese übersinnliche menschliche Tatigkeit an Schamballa ist ein anderer Aspekt desjenigen, was Rudolf steiner als die Bildung neuer Hüllen für das Christus-Wesen durch menschliche Kräfte beschreibt.” (GA143, 8-5-1912 as quotated earlier).

                In his 2nd book “The New experience of the Supersensible” (german: Die neue Erfahrung des Übersinnlichen) more positiv relations to Prokofieff are laid (to: die Jahreskreislauf als Einweihungsweg, Ch.12, die modernen mysterien des Ätherischen Christus). This book self fully related to the etheric Christ-event. If you have read these books (from Aharon and Prokofieff) then you can know what I mean with my statement (26-9-99), about the "quality" of the etheric body of the Christ by Powell. In his description of this "etheric" and "time" does Aharon just not :" often describes a certain aspect in a certain situation without marking out clearly that certain a

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                  > Personally, I am disapponted that Steinerbooks, which has many
                  excellent
                  > publications of Rudolf Steiner's works, stoops to accept this sort of
                  > manuscript, especially when they carry the Doctor's name. It must be
                  > the hard financial times we're in, but I think a cheap and vulgar
                  erotic
                  > New Age novel would have been a more dignified endeavor to avoid
                  > bankruptcy.

                  Perhaps they have taken the advice of Ogden Nash and have become
                  gossipers by day and gossipees by night.-Val
                • elfuncle
                  ... Wow, it s an exact match for 1972, when Jean Dixon was actually 68 (born in 1904) and said she was 54 (born in 1918), and prophetic Bob Dylan wrote it a
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                    --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "elfuncle" <coolvibes@...> wrote:

                    > It had commonly been reported that Dixon was born January 3, 1918;
                    > however, per the Social Security Death Index her actual birthdate was
                    > January 5, 1904.
                    >
                    > And Bob Dylan said:
                    >
                    > She's sixty-eight but she says she's fifty-four....
                    >
                    > And I said:
                    >
                    > Ain't gonna believe in Dixon's bullshit no more.....


                    Wow, it's an exact match for 1972, when Jean Dixon was actually 68 (born in 1904) and said she was 54 (born in 1918), and prophetic Bob Dylan wrote it a decade earlier, ans now we realize that Jeane Dixon was indeed Maggie's Ma:

                    I ain't gonna work for Maggie's ma no more.
                    No, I ain't gonna work for Maggie's ma no more.
                    Well, she talks to all the servants
                    About man and God and law.
                    Everybody says
                    She's the brains behind pa.
                    She's sixty-eight, but she says she's fifty-four.
                    I ain't gonna work for Maggie's ma no more.
                    Later on he played around with that age-line and changed it back and forth, but here's the absolute original:

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVhCmG9beCs

                    Dixon and her cohorts would probably want to add this:

                    Have you heard? It's in the stars
                    Next July we collide with Mars.

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kq1JQUhwVQ 

                    Tarjei


                  • Kim
                    ... could be ... nur ... die ... da, wo wir ... erkennen, ... òberall da ... The real problem here is lack of Common Sense and Courage to follow it even if
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                      > 12.Conclusion.
                      >
                      > I have tried to understand why this different/controverse opinions could be
                      > (t)here.
                      >
                      > In GA 254, 19-10-1915 Steiner describes:"Ahriman und Luzifer kØnnen nur
                      > etwas machen, wenn ein Widerspruch unbemerkt bleibt, wenn wir nicht die
                      > kraft und den Willen haben, den Widerspruch aufzudecken. ¥berall da, wo wir
                      > uns in einen Widerspruch verwickeln, den wir nicht als Widerspruch erkennen,
                      > sondern einfach gelten lassen als einen lebenswahren Inhalt, òberall da
                      > haben Luzifer und Ahriman die MØglichkeit, sich unserer Seele zu
                      > bem¬chtigen."

                      The real problem here is lack of Common Sense and Courage to follow it even if the rest of the world follows the hype and the pseudo intellectual rubbish.

                      > Behind this all could be perhaps following:
                      >
                      > The hope that Christ comes into this world and makes a new paradyse of this
                      > fysical , staying material world not according and confirm the freedom of
                      > becoming mankind going to the new Jeruzalem (Jupiter) as a spiritualized new
                      > world, being not fysical anymore.
                      This is the Ahrimanian trap, keeping man and the intellect in the physical world. Meeting Christ in the Etheric World is the New Jerusalem. When we meet Christ in the Etheric we take our intellect with us out of the physical world were Ahriman wants to trap it, likewise when we meet Christ in the Etheric we leave the bonds of Karma.

                      Remember the last words of Christ to Peter about John? When we die, we lose our etheric body, and we are then born again building a new etherbody, following our Karma. But when we meet Christ in the Etheric we have refined our Etheric body so much that we dont loose it, we take our intellect with us, and leave Karma behind us as we meet Christ in the New Jerusalem. We we are born again we remember, as John.

                      Kim Graae Munch

                    • Robert Mason
                      ... [snip] ... [snip] ... Robert writes: Kees, I appreciate the work that you have done to apply some critical thinking to the work of Robert Powell; there s
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                        --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "Kees hotmail" <K_Kromme@...> wrote:
                        [snip]
                        > As I wrote before, much more is to say about/against this Powell book. Every
                        > human makes mistakes. Thats no problem at all. When clean Michaelic thoughts
                        > can help us to overcome mistakes, we must be glad. But what if man will stay
                        > by the "Widersprüche" (contradictions)? What is an enemy of anthroposophy?
                        > Are the counterforces not in each of us?
                        [snip]
                        > Thus far only Lutz and Kees were reakting to each other. Are there readers
                        > of this discussion who want to investigate in the discussion too? You are
                        > welcome! If above is described "the biggest secret of our time", why then
                        > not participating in its revelation, even on the medium internet?

                        Robert writes:

                        Kees, I appreciate the work that you have done
                        to apply some critical thinking to the work of
                        Robert Powell; there's been far too little of
                        any real *thinking* on this subject, as far as
                        I have seen. I don't know why Powell is allowed
                        such a free run in Anthro circles, especially
                        since Proky's and Lazarides' book many years
                        ago should have put Anthros on notice. I did
                        make a small effort in this direction recently
                        <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/anthroposophy_tomorrow/message/38147>
                        -- in this post I did mention the exchange
                        between you and Lutz. I did benefit from that,
                        but I didn't understand it all; I read German
                        very poorly. And I don't have any of Powell's
                        books now.

                        In the same vein: IMO Proky himself gets far
                        too much of a free run from Anthros; the most
                        notable exception being the book by the late
                        Irina Gordienko
                        <http://lochmann-verlag.com/gordienko%20info%20a.htm>
                        -- but that's ten years old now. It seems not
                        to have been taken seriously enough; Proky is
                        on the Vorstand now, still publishing big books
                        and lecturing all over the place under the
                        auspices of the Dornach Society. I've read
                        some of his books years ago (and far too
                        uncritically) but now I have only his recent
                        little book on Tomberg and a few chapters
                        from his first Tomberg book.

                        Maybe Ben Aharon gets too much of a free run
                        also? I don't know; I read a couple of his
                        books many years ago (again, far too
                        uncritically), but I haven't studied him even
                        as closely as I have Powell and Proky -- and
                        even that's not very much.

                        And now I'm getting very little time online,
                        so I'm not in a position to carry on much
                        of an investigative discussion here and now.
                        But I do *very* much agree that we need to
                        look out for *contradictions*, even, and
                        especially, in the writings published by
                        the Anthro presses. As STEINER SAID,
                        Lucifer and Ahriman enter us when we tolerate
                        contradictions in our thinking.

                        Robert Mason
                      • Cheese Curve
                        Robert thanks you for the reply! interessting fact is that my comments on Powell are sent by Lutz (long ago) to Powell and he used this comments to repair
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                          Robert thanks you for the reply!
                          interessting fact is that my comments on Powell
                          are sent by Lutz (long ago) to Powell and he used this comments to "repair" the described book in the new outcoming since then,
                          so many of the errors will probably not be found in the later outcoming title, or no more so clear disposed
                           
                          I dont know if I have to be so very happy with this fact(;-)
                           
                          thanks for your links beyond, I am going to read them soon
                           
                          greetz Kees
                           

                          To: anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com
                          From: robertsmason_99@...
                          Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 18:18:22 +0000
                          Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Christ and the Maya Calendar the case Robert Powell



                          --- In anthroposophy_ tomorrow@ yahoogroups. com, "Kees hotmail" <K_Kromme@.. .> wrote:
                          [snip]
                          > As I wrote before, much more is to say about/against this Powell book. Every
                          > human makes mistakes. Thats no problem at all. When clean Michaelic thoughts
                          > can help us to overcome mistakes, we must be glad. But what if man will stay
                          > by the "Widersprüche" (contradictions) ? What is an enemy of anthroposophy?
                          > Are the counterforces not in each of us?
                          [snip]
                          > Thus far only Lutz and Kees were reakting to each other. Are there readers
                          > of this discussion who want to investigate in the discussion too? You are
                          > welcome! If above is described "the biggest secret of our time", why then
                          > not participating in its revelation, even on the medium internet?

                          Robert writes:

                          Kees, I appreciate the work that you have done
                          to apply some critical thinking to the work of
                          Robert Powell; there's been far too little of
                          any real *thinking* on this subject, as far as
                          I have seen. I don't know why Powell is allowed
                          such a free run in Anthro circles, especially
                          since Proky's and Lazarides' book many years
                          ago should have put Anthros on notice. I did
                          make a small effort in this direction recently
                          <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/anthroposo phy_tomorrow/ message/38147>
                          -- in this post I did mention the exchange
                          between you and Lutz. I did benefit from that,
                          but I didn't understand it all; I read German
                          very poorly. And I don't have any of Powell's
                          books now.

                          In the same vein: IMO Proky himself gets far
                          too much of a free run from Anthros; the most
                          notable exception being the book by the late
                          Irina Gordienko
                          <http://lochmann- verlag.com/ gordienko% 20info%20a. htm>
                          -- but that's ten years old now. It seems not
                          to have been taken seriously enough; Proky is
                          on the Vorstand now, still publishing big books
                          and lecturing all over the place under the
                          auspices of the Dornach Society. I've read
                          some of his books years ago (and far too
                          uncritically) but now I have only his recent
                          little book on Tomberg and a few chapters
                          from his first Tomberg book.

                          Maybe Ben Aharon gets too much of a free run
                          also? I don't know; I read a couple of his
                          books many years ago (again, far too
                          uncritically) , but I haven't studied him even
                          as closely as I have Powell and Proky -- and
                          even that's not very much.

                          And now I'm getting very little time online,
                          so I'm not in a position to carry on much
                          of an investigative discussion here and now.
                          But I do *very* much agree that we need to
                          look out for *contradictions* , even, and
                          especially, in the writings published by
                          the Anthro presses. As STEINER SAID,
                          Lucifer and Ahriman enter us when we tolerate
                          contradictions in our thinking.

                          Robert Mason




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