Steiner's definitions [was: Peter's definitions]
In message 4018 PS finally answers my questions about the "coloured" races. He posted on Sat Apr 3, 2004 7:31 pm:
DH: "Would it be correct to conclude that any one of the "coloured races" (i.e. yellow or red or brown or black) correspond to any one of the five historical Root-Races themselves?"
PS: No, of course not. According to the first theosophical usage of "Root-Race", the first two root races did not have physical bodies.
I add: We are in complete agreement here, Mr. Staudenmaier!
DH: "Or are the root races Blavatsky speaks of not in 1-1 correspondence with the "coloured races"?"
PS: No, of course not. (...) Why are you having trouble grasping that simple fact?
I add: Again: we are in complete agreement here, Mr. Staudenmaier! I am not having trouble grasping this simple fact. I just wanted to make sure that _you_ weren't having trouble grasping this simple fact. Why might I get the impression that you might be having trouble grasping this simple fact? That, my dear Watson, is elementary.
You see, Mr. Staudenmaier has been vehemently claiming that when Steiner uses the term "Hauptrasse" in the "Mission..." book, he of course meant "root races" in the tradition of Blavatsky. It is "ludicrous" to claim that translators who have translated "Hauptrasse" as "root race" have made a mistake.
Now look at the facts, dear Watson.
1. In the "Mission .." book, Steiner is talking about the five "main races" of humanity. He names and describes them there as the yellow , red, brown, black and white race.
2. We have just ascertained that of course there is no 1-1 correspondence between the "coloured" races and the "root races" of the Theosophical tradition. For one, the first two "root races" didn't even have physical bodies. Furthermore, Blavatsky describes the "coloured" races either as "remnants" of the fourth of the five historical Root-Races or as "descendants" of both Atlanteans (the fourth root race) and Lemurians (the third root race).
3. It thus follows clearly to anyone with a basic understanding of the Theosophical concept of root races that when Steiner is talking about the five "coloured" races as "main races", he cannot mean the five historical "root races" that Blavatsky spoke of.
4. The fact that Steiner uses the term "root races" and "main races" synonymously in a collection of essays published under the title "Cosmic Memory" goes to show that the word "main race" can mean different things in different contexts.
5. Those who pathologically cannot grasp that identical words can mean quite different things in different contexts are of course unable to understand this. It is futile to argue with them. Steiner's "terminology was highly inconsistent" is all they will respond. Quite. For a good reason: he meant two different things.
It is as simple as that, my dear Watson.
- ~~~~Once again, Bradford, hats off to a great posting!Gix
holderlin66 <holderlin66@...> wrote:
Sovereignty in Iraq is a catch phrase, a lot of hot air meaning one
thing and one thing only, Karl Rove and Bush machine stay in power.
American Press is so Orwellian that they cannot just tell you the way
it really is. The way it really is, for Spiritual Science, is that
control over the Iraqi corporate state by the U.S. is not something
that will be withdrawn anytime soon.
Iraq and new U.N. guidelines for Iraq does not allow Iraq to
determine it's own destiny. The shift of some 40 odd, billion dollar
military bases in Iraq, making them, staffing them, getting them up
and running, certainly prevents anyone from getting the water and
electricity running in Iraq. That has always been a secondary focus,
the primary focus was secure the oil contracts and economy of the
future Iraq and while the hot lava sucker money is flowing like a
bleeder from America, get the bases on-line. Sucker, Sucker, Sucker
and Sucker is what we should be saying to ourselves in the West over
and over again.
The Interim council are a collection of hand picks from the Bremmer
dictatorship and finally, Negroponte is going to open the biggest CIA
spy house in the middle East, called an "American Embassy". From here
massive worm holes and underground fissures in the entire middle east
system will be linked with Israel's band of idiots. This is why we
have to understand the Arabism that has arrived again through the
U.S. as a new form of Intellectual Soul epidemic. It is a virus that
brings dishonesty, changes brotherhood to avarice and corporate
whoredom. It makes Babylon ripe for becoming the Great Whore. No,
stupid, I mean take it seriously. The Great Whore is an infected
disease that corrupts Corporations world wide and every little slimy
intellect trained to suck ass on Wall street. It is an Ahrimanic
infection, do you get it yet?
Go ahead, tell me about Soverignty, get all warm and fuzzy about
Sovereignty for me. Sovereignty is where the I Am, free of egregorial
and elemental beasties, like briars, that lodged themselves in
Luciferic and Ahrimanic portions of the untransformed soul, can with
self conscious, self correction and esoteric discipline, look at
itself with objectivity.
Sovereignty is having an active conscience that has the mobility to
not be part of the Orders from above and military boyscout training
wheels that allows anti-human actions to betray exactly what Freedom
in the World and freedom for America used to stand for. Sovereignty
is not walking around taking orders from Judaism, Islam or phony
fundamental christian morons who either want Armageddon or revenge.
Sovereignty is putting a line item, line by line cost effective
breakdown of exactly what this is costing the U.S. and the world in
billions, aid to whole starving countries, to what schools, teachers
salaries, new energy research that shakes us free of oil; or, phony
homeland security itself could do with the wasted billions that serve
the darker instincts of failed patriotism and obvious demonic
political machinations. We can start there with Sovereignty. Now all
of this practical data is also occult schooling. Schooling that aims
at the Philosophy of Freedom training of knowing your motives and
using the great Greek method of esoteric discipline, known as Know
Thyself. Steiner gave that as a gift. What I bring here practical
common sense indications of understanding basic Ahrimanic
Two of my favorite books: 1- Marie Corelli, "Dream of the World's
Tragedy" and 2- "The Mysterious Stranger" by Mark Twain. In "The
Mysterious Stranger" you get, once again, a chance for student of
Spiritual Science to study exact occult insights into Ahrimanic
Symptomology and the ideas here added in a study of the epidemic of
the Great Satan.
holderlin previously wrote:
"America as it sweeps over the globe is updating everyone and some
religious groups reluctantly.The Information Age and the
new "Gattica" and "Blade Runner" and the SUV Age is considered by
some to be an unholy nightmare. Enough so that Iran and Islam can
call America the Great Satan. This compares to a new form of
culturally epidemic disease of politics divorced from brotherhood
sweeping toward the Islamics. Our word is not good enough, neither
are contracts and lies, which is bearing down in the old market
places that you can still visit in Damascus. In Islam there are
etheric repititions of prayer nearly five times a day and a general
Luciferic astral refusal to come to terms with the Ahrimanic
onslaught coming out of the west."
Contracts, lies and Corporate Porno:
Ralph Nader: First of all, we have been supporting despots,
dictators, and oligarchs in all those states for a variety of
purposes. We supported Saddam Hussein. He was our anti-Communist
dictator until 1990. It's also cultural; they see corporate culture
as abandoning the restraints on personal behavior dictated by their
religion and culture. Our corporate pornography and anything-goes
values are profoundly offensive to them.
The other thing is that we are supporting the Israeli military regime
with billions of dollars and ignoring both the Israeli peace
movement, which is very substantial, and the Palestinian peace
movement. They see a nuclear-armed Israel that could wipe out the
Middle East in a weekend if it wanted to.
RN: The subservience of our congressional and White House puppets to
Israeli military policy has been consistent. Until '91, any dictator
who was anti-Communist was our ally.
PB: You used the term "congressional puppets." Did John Kerry show
himself to be a congressional puppet when he voted to give the
president a blank check to go to war?
RN: They're almost all puppets. There are two sets: Congressional
puppets and White House puppets. When the chief puppeteer comes to
Washington, the puppets prance.
PB: Why do both sets of puppets, support the Sharon/Likud policies in
the Middle East rather than the peace movement candidates and leaders
RN: That is a good question because the peace movement is broad
indeed. They just put 120,000 people in a square in Tel Aviv. They
are composed of former government ministers, existing and former
members of the Knesset, former generals, former combat veterans,
former heads of internal security, people from all backgrounds. It is
not any fringe movement.
The answer to your question is that instead of focusing on how to
bring a peaceful settlement, both parties concede their independent
judgment to the pro-Israeli lobbies in this country because they
perceive them as determining the margin in some state elections and
as sources of funding. They don't appear to agree with Tom Friedman,
who wrote that memorable phrase, "Ariel Sharon has Arafat under house
arrest in Ramallah and Bush under house arrest in the Oval Office."
RN: Under my proposal there would be an international peacekeeping
force, and the withdrawal would be a smart withdrawal during which
there are internationally supervised elections. We would have both
military and corporate withdrawal because the Iraqi people see the
corporations are beginning to take over their economy, including
their oil resources. And we would continue humanitarian assistance
until the Iraqi people get on their feet. We would bring to the
forefront during the election autonomies for Kurds, Sunnis, and
Shi'ites. So this would not be like a withdrawal in Vietnam where we
just barely got out with the helicopters.
TAC: You often mention corporations. What is the theory behind this
or what are the alternatives to corporate economic power? I presume
you are not talking about state ownership or socialism, or perhaps
RN: Well, that is what representative government is for, to
counteract the excesses of the monied interests, as Thomas Jefferson
said. Because big business realizes that the main countervailing
force against their excesses and abuses is government, their goal has
been to take over the government, and they do this with money and
politics. They do it by putting their top officials at the Pentagon,
Treasury, and Federal Reserve, and they do it by providing job
opportunities to retiring members of Congress. They have law firms
that draft legislation and think-tanks that provide ready-made
speeches. They also do it by threatening to leave the country. The
quickest way to bring a member of Congress to his or her knees is by
shifting industries abroad.
Concentrated corporate power violates many principles of capitalism.
For example, under capitalism, owners control their property. Under
multinational corporations, the shareholders don't control their
corporation. Under capitalism, if you can't make the market respond,
you sink. Under big business, you don't go bankrupt; you go to
Washington for a bailout. Under capitalism, there is supposed to be
freedom of contract. When was the last time you negotiated a contract
with banks or auto dealers? They are all fine-print contracts. The
law of contracts has been wiped out for 99 percent of contracts that
ordinary consumers sign on to. Capitalism is supposed to be based on
law and order. Corporations get away with corporate crime, fraud, and
abuse. And finally, capitalism is premised on a level playing field;
the most meritorious is supposed to win. Tell that to a small
inventor or a small business up against McDonald's or a software
programmer up against Microsoft.
Giant multinational corporations have no allegiance to any country or
community other than to control them or abandon them. So what we have
now is the merger of big business and big government to further
subsidize costs or eliminate risks or guarantee profits by our
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