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  • val2160
    [song chart memes]
    Message 1 of 26 , Feb 12, 2009
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      song chart memes

      Graph by: Cat

      » See Cheat Sheet

      Here is the recipe from my Pottery Barn catalog:

      Into each day put equal parts of faith, patience, courage, work, hope, fidelity, liberality, kindness, rest, prayer, meditation, and one well-selected resolution. Put in about one teaspoonful of good spirits, a dash of fun, a pinch of folly, a sprinkling of play, and a heaping cupful of good humor.

      Of course, being the free spirits that you all are, feel free to substitute a cup of cuteness wherever you feel the need:


      Caption this picture


      Happy Birthday!!!-Val
    • write3chairs
      ... Wow, how old is PLANS now? Thanks, Val. I had no idea. We ought to, um ... throw a party or something. ;) Cheers, Jennifer
      Message 2 of 26 , Feb 12, 2009
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        Val sent:

        > [cake-or-death]
        >
        > Here is the recipe from my Pottery Barn catalog:
        >
        > Into each day put equal parts of faith, patience, courage, work, hope,
        > fidelity, liberality, kindness, rest, prayer, meditation, and one
        > well-selected resolution. Put in about one teaspoonful of good spirits,
        > a dash of fun, a pinch of folly, a sprinkling of play, and a heaping
        > cupful of good humor.
        >
        > Of course, being the free spirits that you all are, feel free to
        > substitute a cup of cuteness wherever you feel the need:
        >
        > [puppy-in-measuring-cup]
        >
        > Happy Birthday!!!-Val

        Wow, how old is PLANS now?

        Thanks, Val. I had no idea. We ought to, um ... throw a party or something. ;)

        Cheers,
        Jennifer
      • elfuncle
        This is soooo sick. Please somebody do something, write about Lemuria or Old Saturn, some heavy anthroposophy from the loftiest regions of the cosmos, about
        Message 3 of 26 , Feb 12, 2009
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          This is soooo sick. Please somebody do something, write about Lemuria or Old Saturn, some heavy anthroposophy from the loftiest regions of the cosmos, about the Seraphim and Cherubim.

          Dottie complains about my sick pictures, and I'm trying to restrain myself, honestly, but this kind of "birthday" is more pukable than... well, I won't elaborate and ruin anybody's appetite.

          This is like Jews and Gypsies sending happy birthday greetings to Adolf on their way to the gas chambers, so get a grip.

          Tarjei

          --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "write3chairs" <write3chairs@...> wrote:
          >
          > Val sent:
          >
          > > [cake-or-death]
          > >
          > > Here is the recipe from my Pottery Barn catalog:
          > >
          > > Into each day put equal parts of faith, patience, courage, work, hope,
          > > fidelity, liberality, kindness, rest, prayer, meditation, and one
          > > well-selected resolution. Put in about one teaspoonful of good spirits,
          > > a dash of fun, a pinch of folly, a sprinkling of play, and a heaping
          > > cupful of good humor.
          > >
          > > Of course, being the free spirits that you all are, feel free to
          > > substitute a cup of cuteness wherever you feel the need:
          > >
          > > [puppy-in-measuring-cup]
          > >
          > > Happy Birthday!!!-Val
          >
          > Wow, how old is PLANS now?
          >
          > Thanks, Val. I had no idea. We ought to, um ... throw a party or something. ;)
          >
          > Cheers,
          > Jennifer
          >

        • elfuncle
          ... Adolf ... This is not an accurate comparison at all. Instead, it s as if the holocaust victims incarcerated in death camps should have sent congratulations
          Message 4 of 26 , Feb 13, 2009
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            --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "elfuncle" <coolvibes@...> wrote:

            > This is like Jews and Gypsies sending happy birthday greetings to Adolf
            > on their way to the gas chambers, so get a grip.


            This is not an accurate comparison at all. Instead, it's as if the holocaust victims incarcerated in death camps should have sent congratulations to the Nazi Party with "Happy Birthday Final Solution!"

            Tarjei
          • val2160
            ... According to their fearless leader, their lawsuit was eleven on the 11th. ... something. ;) That would certainly be a surprise party! Maybe a Mardi Gras
            Message 5 of 26 , Feb 13, 2009
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              --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "write3chairs" <write3chairs@...> wrote:

              > Wow, how old is PLANS now?

              According to their fearless leader, their lawsuit was eleven on the 11th.
               
              > Thanks, Val. I had no idea. We ought to, um ... throw a party or something. ;)

              That would certainly be a surprise party! Maybe a Mardi Gras theme? One of the books that I'm reading now is Orbiting the Giant Hairball because, of course,  it talks about the Guardian of the Hairball. The first page reminds me of the Waldorf Critics Birthday celebration:


              Wean Yourself


              Little by little, wean yourself.
              This is the gist of what I have to say.

              From an embryo, whose nourishment comes in the blood,
              move to an infant drinking milk,
              to a child on solid food,
              to a searcher after wisdom,
              to a hunter of more invisible game.

              Think how it is to have a conversation with an embryo.
              You might say, "The world outside is vast and intricate.
              There are wheatfields and mountain passes,
              and orchards in bloom.

              At night there are millions of galaxies, and in sunlight
              the beauty of friends dancing at a wedding."

              You ask the embryo why he, or she, stays cooped up
              in the dark with eyes closed.

                            • Listen to the answer.


                  There is no "other world."
                  I only know what I've experienced.
                  You must be hallucinating.

                   

                • Rumi

            • val2160
              ... Solution! I thought we were the Nazi Party so who better, as Jennifer suggests, than to throw the Waldorf Critics a party? [Tom Cruise]
              Message 6 of 26 , Feb 13, 2009
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                --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "elfuncle" <coolvibes@...> wrote:
                >
                >
                > --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "elfuncle"
                > coolvibes@ wrote:
                >
                > > This is like Jews and Gypsies sending happy birthday greetings to
                > Adolf
                > > on their way to the gas chambers, so get a grip.
                >
                > This is not an accurate comparison at all. Instead, it's as if the
                > holocaust victims incarcerated in death camps should have sent
                > congratulations to the Nazi Party with "Happy Birthday Final Solution!"


                I thought we were the Nazi Party so who better, as Jennifer suggests, than to throw the Waldorf Critics a party?


                Tom Cruise 


              • elfuncle
                ... It s sick, sick sick. I m all in favor of celebrating the birthdays of the individual human being, whether it s DD or DW or even PS (just don t always
                Message 7 of 26 , Feb 13, 2009
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                  --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "val2160" <wdenval@...> wrote:

                  > I thought we were the Nazi Party so who better, as Jennifer suggests,
                  > than to throw the Waldorf Critics a party?


                  It's sick, sick sick. I'm all in favor of celebrating the birthdays of the individual human being, whether it's DD or DW or even PS (just don't always count on me to be there), but to celebrate the "birthday" of the Unplumbable Toilet that a few confused anthro-wackos hurry over to whenever they get the runs in an endeavor to give its constipated residents fresh shit to chew on (although fortunately, they can't chew on liquid anthrobabble so it remains useless to them)-- to celebrate the birthday of the Unthinkable Facility is like celebrating "the birthday" of the lethal injection syringe, of the invention of the gas chamber, celebrate the "birthday" of the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki --  this is done to remember the victims, not to "throw a party" which is very very sick, twisted, and obscene, it stinks indeed to high heaven, Michael is deeply disappointed and the angels are weeping.

                  Tarjei
                • val2160
                  ... don t ... the ... the ... birthday ... Unfortunately, I do not know the birthdays of DD, DW, or PS so celebrating the birth of the lethal injection
                  Message 8 of 26 , Feb 13, 2009
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                    --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "elfuncle"
                    <coolvibes@...> wrote:

                    > It's sick, sick sick. I'm all in favor of celebrating the birthdays of
                    > the individual human being, whether it's DD or DW or even PS (just
                    don't
                    > always count on me to be there), but to celebrate the "birthday" of
                    the
                    > Unplumbable Toilet that a few confused anthro-wackos hurry over to
                    > whenever they get the runs in an endeavor to give its constipated
                    > residents fresh shit to chew on (although fortunately, they can't chew
                    > on liquid anthrobabble so it remains useless to them)-- to celebrate
                    the
                    > birthday of the Unthinkable Facility is like celebrating "the
                    birthday"
                    > of the lethal injection syringe, of the invention of the gas chamber,
                    > celebrate the "birthday" of the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki --
                    > this is done to remember the victims, not to "throw a party" which is
                    > very very sick, twisted, and obscene, it stinks indeed to high heaven,
                    > Michael is deeply disappointed and the angels are weeping.

                    Unfortunately, I do not know the birthdays of DD, DW, or PS so
                    celebrating the birth of the lethal injection syringe, the gas chamber,
                    and the atomic bomb will just have to do.-Val
                  • val2160
                    13 Facts About Friday the 13th * Buzz Up If you fear Friday the 13th, then batten down the hatches. This week s unlucky day is
                    Message 9 of 26 , Feb 13, 2009
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                      13 Facts About Friday the 13th

                      • If you fear Friday the 13th, then batten down the hatches. This week's unlucky day is the first of three this year.

                      The next Friday the 13th comes in March, followed by Nov. 13. Such a triple whammy comes around only every 11 years, said Thomas Fernsler, a math specialist at the University of Delaware who has studied the number 13 for more than 20 years.

                      By the numbers

                      Here are 13 more facts about the infamous day, courtesy of Fernsler and some of our own research:

                      1. The British Navy built a ship named Friday the 13th. On its maiden voyage, the vessel left dock on a Friday the 13th, and was never heard from again.

                      2. The ill-fated Apollo 13 launched at 13:13 CST on Apr. 11, 1970. The sum of the date's digits (4-11-70) is 13 (as in 4+1+1+7+0 = 13). And the explosion that crippled the spacecraft occurred on April 13 (not a Friday). The crew did make it back to Earth safely, however.

                      3. Many hospitals have no room 13, while some tall buildings skip the 13th floor.

                      4. Fear of Friday the 13th - one of the most popular myths in science - is called paraskavedekatriaphobia as well as friggatriskaidekaphobia. Triskaidekaphobia is fear of the number 13.

                      5. Quarterback Dan Marino wore No. 13 throughout his career with the Miami Dolphins. Despite being a superb quarterback (some call him one of the best ever), he got to the Super Bowl just once, in 1985, and was trounced 38-16 by the San Francisco 49ers and Joe Montana (who wore No. 16 and won all four Super Bowls he played in).

                      6. Butch Cassidy, notorious American train and bank robber, was born on Friday, April 13, 1866.

                      7. Fidel Castro was born on Friday, Aug. 13, 1926.

                      8. President Franklin D. Roosevelt would not travel on the 13th day of any month and would never host 13 guests at a meal. Napoleon and Herbert Hoover were also triskaidekaphobic, with an abnormal fear of the number 13.

                      9. Superstitious diners in Paris can hire a quatorzieme, or professional 14th guest.

                      10. Mark Twain once was the 13th guest at a dinner party. A friend warned him not to go. "It was bad luck," Twain later told the friend. "They only had food for 12."

                      11. Woodrow Wilson considered 13 his lucky number, though his experience didn't support such faith. He arrived in Normandy, France on Friday, Dec. 13, 1918, for peace talks, only to return with a treaty he couldn't get Congress to sign. (The ship's crew wanted to dock the next day due to superstitions, Fernsler said.) He toured the United States to rally support for the treaty, and while traveling, suffered a near-fatal stroke.

                      12. The number 13 suffers from its position after 12, according to numerologists who consider the latter to be a complete number - 12 months in a year, 12 signs of the zodiac, 12 gods of Olympus, 12 labors of Hercules, 12 tribes of Israel, 12 apostles of Jesus, 12 days of Christmas and 12 eggs in a dozen.

                      13. The seals on the back of a dollar bill include 13 steps on the pyramid, 13 stars above the eagle's head, 13 war arrows in the eagle's claw and 13 leaves on the olive branch. So far there's been no evidence tying these long-ago design decisions to the present economic situation.

                      Origins of Friday the 13th

                      Where's all this superstition come from? Nobody knows for sure. But it may date back to Biblical times (the 13th guest at the Last Supper betrayed Jesus). By the Middle Ages, both Friday and 13 were considered bearers of bad fortune.

                      Meanwhile the belief that numbers are connected to life and physical things - called numerology - has a long history.

                      "You can trace it all the way from the followers of Pythagoras, whose maxim to describe the universe was 'all is number,'" says Mario Livio, an astrophysicist and author of "The Equation That Couldn't Be Solved" (Simon & Schuster, 2005). Thinkers who studied under the famous Greek mathematician combined numbers in different ways to explain everything around them, Livio said.

                      In modern times, numerology has become a type of para-science, much like the meaningless predictions of astrology, scientists say.

                      "People are subconsciously drawn towards specific numbers because they know that they need the experiences, attributes or lessons, associated with them, that are contained within their potential," says professional numerologist Sonia Ducie. "Numerology can 'make sense' of an individual's life (health, career, relationships, situations and issues) by recognizing which number cycle they are in, and by giving them clarity."

                      Mathematicians dismiss numerology as having no scientific merit, however.

                      "I don't endorse this at all," Livio said, when asked to comment on the popularity of commercial numerology for a story prior to the date 06/06/06. Seemingly coincidental connections between numbers will always appear if you look hard enough, he said.

                    • dottie zold
                      See, everything on the 11s :) even the Friday the 13ths! And also the Critics! all poison is turned into medicine with persistance and good will.   All good
                      Message 10 of 26 , Feb 13, 2009
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                        See, everything on the 11s :) even the Friday the 13ths! And also the Critics! all poison is turned into medicine with persistance and good will.
                         
                        All good things,
                        Dottie

                        "If there is something more powerful than destiny, this must be the human being who bears destiny unshaken." Rudolf Steiner

                        --- On Fri, 2/13/09, val2160 <wdenval@...> wrote:
                        From: val2160 <wdenval@...>
                        Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Happy Friday the 13th!
                        To: anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com
                        Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 10:15 AM

                        13 Facts About Friday the 13th

                        • If you fear Friday the 13th, then batten down the hatches. This week's unlucky day is the first of three this year.
                        The next Friday the 13th comes in March, followed by Nov. 13. Such a triple whammy comes around only every 11 years, said Thomas Fernsler, a math specialist at the University of Delaware who has studied the number 13 for more than 20 years.
                        By the numbers
                        Here are 13 more facts about the infamous day, courtesy of Fernsler and some of our own research:
                        1. The British Navy built a ship named Friday the 13th. On its maiden voyage, the vessel left dock on a Friday the 13th, and was never heard from again.
                        2. The ill-fated Apollo 13 launched at 13:13 CST on Apr. 11, 1970. The sum of the date's digits (4-11-70) is 13 (as in 4+1+1+7+0 = 13). And the explosion that crippled the spacecraft occurred on April 13 (not a Friday). The crew did make it back to Earth safely, however.
                        3. Many hospitals have no room 13, while some tall buildings skip the 13th floor.
                        4. Fear of Friday the 13th - one of the most popular myths in science - is called paraskavedekatriaphobia as well as friggatriskaidekaphobia. Triskaidekaphobia is fear of the number 13.
                        5. Quarterback Dan Marino wore No. 13 throughout his career with the Miami Dolphins. Despite being a superb quarterback (some call him one of the best ever), he got to the Super Bowl just once, in 1985, and was trounced 38-16 by the San Francisco 49ers and Joe Montana (who wore No. 16 and won all four Super Bowls he played in).
                        6. Butch Cassidy, notorious American train and bank robber, was born on Friday, April 13, 1866.
                        7. Fidel Castro was born on Friday, Aug. 13, 1926.
                        8. President Franklin D. Roosevelt would not travel on the 13th day of any month and would never host 13 guests at a meal. Napoleon and Herbert Hoover were also triskaidekaphobic, with an abnormal fear of the number 13.
                        9. Superstitious diners in Paris can hire a quatorzieme, or professional 14th guest.
                        10. Mark Twain once was the 13th guest at a dinner party. A friend warned him not to go. "It was bad luck," Twain later told the friend. "They only had food for 12."
                        11. Woodrow Wilson considered 13 his lucky number, though his experience didn't support such faith. He arrived in Normandy, France on Friday, Dec. 13, 1918, for peace talks, only to return with a treaty he couldn't get Congress to sign. (The ship's crew wanted to dock the next day due to superstitions, Fernsler said.) He toured the United States to rally support for the treaty, and while traveling, suffered a near-fatal stroke.
                        12. The number 13 suffers from its position after 12, according to numerologists who consider the latter to be a complete number - 12 months in a year, 12 signs of the zodiac, 12 gods of Olympus, 12 labors of Hercules, 12 tribes of Israel, 12 apostles of Jesus, 12 days of Christmas and 12 eggs in a dozen.
                        13. The seals on the back of a dollar bill include 13 steps on the pyramid, 13 stars above the eagle's head, 13 war arrows in the eagle's claw and 13 leaves on the olive branch. So far there's been no evidence tying these long-ago design decisions to the present economic situation.
                        Origins of Friday the 13th
                        Where's all this superstition come from? Nobody knows for sure. But it may date back to Biblical times (the 13th guest at the Last Supper betrayed Jesus). By the Middle Ages, both Friday and 13 were considered bearers of bad fortune.
                        Meanwhile the belief that numbers are connected to life and physical things - called numerology - has a long history.
                        "You can trace it all the way from the followers of Pythagoras, whose maxim to describe the universe was 'all is number,'" says Mario Livio, an astrophysicist and author of "The Equation That Couldn't Be Solved" (Simon & Schuster, 2005). Thinkers who studied under the famous Greek mathematician combined numbers in different ways to explain everything around them, Livio said.
                        In modern times, numerology has become a type of para-science, much like the meaningless predictions of astrology, scientists say.
                        "People are subconsciously drawn towards specific numbers because they know that they need the experiences, attributes or lessons, associated with them, that are contained within their potential," says professional numerologist Sonia Ducie. "Numerology can 'make sense' of an individual's life (health, career, relationships, situations and issues) by recognizing which number cycle they are in, and by giving them clarity."
                        Mathematicians dismiss numerology as having no scientific merit, however.
                        "I don't endorse this at all," Livio said, when asked to comment on the popularity of commercial numerology for a story prior to the date 06/06/06. Seemingly coincidental connections between numbers will always appear if you look hard enough, he said.



                      • val2160
                        Connecting Lincoln and Darwin By Dan Rather Hearst Newspapers Coincidences of the calender don t have much real significance, but they do play a role in our
                        Message 11 of 26 , Feb 13, 2009
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                          Connecting Lincoln and Darwin

                          By Dan Rather Hearst Newspapers

                               Coincidences of the calender don't have much real significance, but they do play a role in our national mythology. The most prominent of these are the deaths within hours of one another of Thomas Jefferson and John Adams--the lead author and advocate, respectively, of the Declaration of Independence.  The date they died?  July 4, 1826--the 50th anniversary of the declaration.

                               This week, a less noticed coincidence: the shared bicentenary birthday of Abraham Lincoln and Charles Darwin.  What connects the Great Emancipator and the groundbreaking scientist is that they both played a profound role in shaping modernity, and the historical forces each set in motion reverberate still, 200 years after their births.

                               The Civil War over which Lincoln presided stands as such a stark dividing line that historians speak of antebellum America as a distinctly different place. Emancipation, modern warfare, our national identity, our continent-spanning geographic unity and our conception of presidential powers all follow a trajectory traceable back to that war.

                               And then there is Darwin, a man popularly identified with religion, primarily in opposition. Apostate or no, Darwin transformed our understanding of the world and its natural history. If there is a lesson in the coincidence of the Lincoln and Darwin bicentennials, it may be that, in the words of William Faulkner, "The past is not dead. In fact, it's not even past."
                        • dottie zold
                          Yes, I have been thinking about that...and if we look at 200 years we have 2...but to get to 2 you have to have 1+1 = 11 :)  it is all relevant...and how
                          Message 12 of 26 , Feb 13, 2009
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                            Yes, I have been thinking about that...and if we look at 200 years we have 2...but to get to 2 you have to have 1+1 = 11 :)  it is all relevant...and how interesting that they will consistantly meet up throughout the ages. I read an article about his devoted Christian wife...she was truly amazing, and so was their relationship it seems.
                             
                            All good things,
                            Dottie

                            "If there is something more powerful than destiny, this must be the human being who bears destiny unshaken." Rudolf Steiner

                            --- On Fri, 2/13/09, val2160 <wdenval@...> wrote:
                            From: val2160 <wdenval@...>
                            Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Happy Friday the 13th!
                            To: anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com
                            Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 10:50 AM

                            Connecting Lincoln and Darwin

                            By Dan Rather Hearst Newspapers

                                 Coincidences of the calender don't have much real significance, but they do play a role in our national mythology. The most prominent of these are the deaths within hours of one another of Thomas Jefferson and John Adams--the lead author and advocate, respectively, of the Declaration of Independence.  The date they died?  July 4, 1826--the 50th anniversary of the declaration.

                                 This week, a less noticed coincidence: the shared bicentenary birthday of Abraham Lincoln and Charles Darwin.  What connects the Great Emancipator and the groundbreaking scientist is that they both played a profound role in shaping modernity, and the historical forces each set in motion reverberate still, 200 years after their births.

                                 The Civil War over which Lincoln presided stands as such a stark dividing line that historians speak of antebellum America as a distinctly different place. Emancipation, modern warfare, our national identity, our continent-spanning geographic unity and our conception of presidential powers all follow a trajectory traceable back to that war.

                                 And then there is Darwin, a man popularly identified with religion, primarily in opposition. Apostate or no, Darwin transformed our understanding of the world and its natural history. If there is a lesson in the coincidence of the Lincoln and Darwin bicentennials, it may be that, in the words of William Faulkner, "The past is not dead. In fact, it's not even past."



                          • write3chairs
                            ... Okay, then I propose a day of mourning instead. If PLANS is celebrating the joyous occasion of its birth, then we ought to be grieving, erecting memorials
                            Message 13 of 26 , Feb 13, 2009
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                              --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "elfuncle" wrote:

                              > --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "val2160" wrote:
                              >
                              > > I thought we were the Nazi Party so who better,
                              > > as Jennifer suggests, than to throw the Waldorf Critics a party?
                              >
                              > It's sick, sick sick. I'm all in favor of celebrating the
                              > birthdays of the individual human being, whether it's DD or DW
                              > or even PS (just don't always count on me to be there), but to
                              > celebrate the "birthday" of the Unplumbable Toilet that a few
                              > confused anthro-wackos hurry over to whenever they get the runs
                              > in an endeavor to give its constipated residents fresh shit to
                              > chew on (although fortunately, they can't chew on liquid
                              > anthrobabble so it remains useless to them)-- to celebrate the
                              > birthday of the Unthinkable Facility is like celebrating "the
                              > birthday" of the lethal injection syringe, of the invention of
                              > the gas chamber, celebrate the "birthday" of the nuking of
                              > Hiroshima and Nagasaki -- this is done to remember the victims,
                              > not to "throw a party" which is very very sick, twisted, and
                              > obscene, it stinks indeed to high heaven, Michael is deeply
                              > disappointed and the angels are weeping.
                              >
                              > Tarjei

                              Okay, then I propose a day of mourning instead. If PLANS is
                              celebrating the joyous occasion of its birth, then we ought to be
                              grieving, erecting memorials to the fallen ones, the victims who
                              had to suffer in order for PLANS to come into existence.

                              Who and where are these people? Seriously, who is hurt the
                              worst by the existence of PLANS? Those litigious freaks seem
                              to think Waldorf is bad for children, but where *are* these
                              damaged children? And how is a lawsuit helping anyone?
                              Eleven years, my my. How long does it take to wake up?

                              Jennifer
                            • write3chairs
                              ... Nice! That book looks interesting, too. To me, the central insight of the book, is that Gordon MacKenzie is not afraid of being a fool - and that this is
                              Message 14 of 26 , Feb 13, 2009
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                                --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "val2160" wrote:

                                > > Wow, how old is PLANS now?
                                >
                                > According to their fearless leader,
                                > their lawsuit was eleven on the 11th.
                                >
                                > > Thanks, Val. I had no idea. We ought to,
                                > > um ... throw a party or something. ;)
                                >
                                > That would certainly be a surprise party!
                                > Maybe a Mardi Gras theme? One of the books
                                > that I'm reading now is Orbiting the Giant Hairball
                                > because, of course, it talks about the Guardian
                                > of the Hairball. The first page reminds me of the
                                > Waldorf Critics Birthday celebration:
                                >
                                >
                                > Wean Yourself
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Little by little, wean yourself.
                                > This is the gist of what I have to say.
                                >
                                >
                                > From an embryo, whose nourishment comes in the blood,
                                > move to an infant drinking milk,
                                > to a child on solid food,
                                > to a searcher after wisdom,
                                > to a hunter of more invisible game.
                                >
                                >
                                > Think how it is to have a conversation with an embryo.
                                > You might say, "The world outside is vast and intricate.
                                > There are wheatfields and mountain passes,
                                > and orchards in bloom.
                                >
                                >
                                > At night there are millions of galaxies, and in sunlight
                                > the beauty of friends dancing at a wedding."
                                >
                                >
                                > You ask the embryo why he, or she, stays cooped up
                                > in the dark with eyes closed.
                                >
                                >
                                > *
                                > *
                                > *
                                > *
                                > *
                                > *
                                > *
                                > * Listen to the answer.
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > There is no "other world."
                                > I only know what I've experienced.
                                > You must be hallucinating.
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > * Rumi

                                Nice!

                                That book looks interesting, too.

                                "To me, the central insight of the book, is that Gordon MacKenzie is
                                not afraid of being a fool - and that this is how he achieves many of
                                his successes. So people laugh at him and his ideas - that's fine
                                with him. Reading this book certainly put a huge smile on my face."

                                http://positivesharing.com/2002/10/book-review-orbiting-the-giant-
                                hairball/
                              • dottie zold
                                They have some grievances that are valid as there are in any schooling system. They just prefer the ones that do not include anything to do with spirit, in the
                                Message 15 of 26 , Feb 13, 2009
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                                  They have some grievances that are valid as there are in any schooling system. They just prefer the ones that do not include anything to do with spirit, in the classroom. But they are ignorant, willfully, that spirit is in the classroom and can not be taken out as it exists within the human being or he wouldn't be here in the first place! Just because you do not believe does not make it go away!
                                   
                                  However, as their fight was not holding up, they had to find other things to outrage people, enter Mr. Pied Piper Peter Staudenmaier, who meets them on all grounds including atheism...or as he likes to call it 'Christianity with a little 'C' clue line signifying atheism albeit hidden. It seems as if his main point is Steiner but its not, his main adversary as he sees it are Christians...this is an area where Dan Dugan has not allowed him to enter into conversation on line in fear of pushing away those divorced parents who enter the fray who happen to be 'Christian' such as NewPaul.
                                   
                                  All good things,
                                  Dottie

                                  "If there is something more powerful than destiny, this must be the human being who bears destiny unshaken." Rudolf Steiner

                                  --- On Fri, 2/13/09, write3chairs <write3chairs@...> wrote:
                                  From: write3chairs <write3chairs@...>
                                  Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: "Happy" What?
                                  To: anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com
                                  Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 11:14 AM

                                  --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "elfuncle" wrote:
                                  
                                  > --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "val2160" wrote:
                                  > 
                                  > > I thought we were the Nazi Party so who better, 
                                  > > as Jennifer suggests, than to throw the Waldorf Critics a party?
                                  > 
                                  > It's sick, sick sick. I'm all in favor of celebrating the 
                                  > birthdays of the individual human being, whether it's DD or DW 
                                  > or even PS (just don't always count on me to be there), but to 
                                  > celebrate the "birthday" of the Unplumbable Toilet that a few 
                                  > confused anthro-wackos hurry over to whenever they get the runs 
                                  > in an endeavor to give its constipated residents fresh shit to 
                                  > chew on (although fortunately, they can't chew on liquid 
                                  > anthrobabble so it remains useless to them)-- to celebrate the
                                  > birthday of the Unthinkable Facility is like celebrating "the 
                                  > birthday" of the lethal injection syringe, of the invention of 
                                  > the gas chamber, celebrate the "birthday" of the nuking of 
                                  > Hiroshima and Nagasaki -- this is done to remember the victims, 
                                  > not to "throw a party" which is very very sick, twisted, and 
                                  > obscene, it stinks indeed to high heaven, Michael is deeply
                                  > disappointed and the angels are weeping.
                                  > 
                                  > Tarjei
                                  
                                  Okay, then I propose a day of mourning instead. If PLANS is 
                                  celebrating the joyous occasion of its birth, then we ought to be 
                                  grieving, erecting memorials to the fallen ones, the victims who
                                  had to suffer in order for PLANS to come into existence.
                                  
                                  Who and where are these people? Seriously, who is hurt the 
                                  worst by the existence of PLANS? Those litigious freaks seem 
                                  to think Waldorf is bad for children, but where *are* these 
                                  damaged children? And how is a lawsuit helping anyone?
                                  Eleven years, my my. How long does it take to wake up?
                                  
                                  Jennifer
                                  
                                  
                                  
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                                • write3chairs
                                  ... But what exactly do they want to come of all this, with all these imaginary enemies. Looks like paranoia. Jennifer
                                  Message 16 of 26 , Feb 13, 2009
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                                    --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, dottie zold wrote:

                                    > They have some grievances that are valid as
                                    > there are in any schooling system. They just
                                    > prefer the ones that do not include anything
                                    > to do with spirit, in the classroom. But they
                                    > are ignorant, willfully, that spirit is in the
                                    > classroom and can not be taken out as it exists
                                    > within the human being or he wouldn't be here
                                    > in the first place! Just because you do not
                                    > believe does not make it go away!
                                    >
                                    > However, as their fight was not holding up,
                                    > they had to find other things to outrage people,
                                    > enter Mr. Pied Piper Peter Staudenmaier, who meets
                                    > them on all grounds including atheism...or as he
                                    > likes to call it 'Christianity with a little 'C'
                                    > clue line signifying atheism albeit hidden.
                                    > It seems as if his main point is Steiner but its
                                    > not, his main adversary as he sees it are Christians...
                                    > this is an area where Dan Dugan has not allowed him
                                    > to enter into conversation on line in fear of
                                    > pushing away those divorced parents who enter the
                                    > fray who happen to be 'Christian' such as NewPaul.
                                    >
                                    > All good things,
                                    > Dottie

                                    But what exactly do they want to come of all this,
                                    with all these imaginary enemies. Looks like paranoia.

                                    Jennifer
                                  • val2160
                                    ... From the PLANS website: [People For Legal And Nonsectarian Schools (PLANS) Logo] PLANS Mission Statement [Thomas Jefferson Portrait]
                                    Message 17 of 26 , Feb 13, 2009
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                                      --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "write3chairs" <write3chairs@...> wrote:

                                      > But what exactly do they want to come of all this,
                                      > with all these imaginary enemies. Looks like paranoia.



                                      From the PLANS website:

                                      People For Legal And Nonsectarian Schools (PLANS) Logo
                                      PLANS Mission Statement
                                      Thomas Jefferson Portrait
                                      Black Ink Brush Stroke
                                      PLANS home page
                                      PLANS concerns about Waldorf education
                                      PLANS mission regarding Waldorf schools
                                      PLANS non-profit organization
                                      PLANS press releases about lawsuit
                                      PLANS articles about Waldorf Steiner Anthroposophy
                                      PLANS frequently asked questions FAQ about Waldorf Steiner Anthroposophy
                                      PLANS waldorf-critics email discussion list
                                      PLANS waldorf-survivors-only email discussion list
                                      PLANS waldorf-critics discussion archives
                                      PLANS books about Waldorf Steiner Anthroposophy
                                      PLANS Waldorf signs bumper stickers
                                      PLANS Waldorf Anthroposophical occult artwork
                                      PLANS donations
                                      PLANS related links

                                      People for Legal and Nonsectarian Schools will:

                                      1. Provide parents, teachers, and school boards with views of Waldorf education from outside the cult of Rudolf Steiner.

                                      2. Expose the illegality of public funding for Waldorf school programs in the US.

                                      3. Litigate against schools violating the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment in the US.

                                      Families join Waldorf schools for a variety of reasons - always in a spirit of goodwill and trust. Obviously, parents want the best for their children and the concept of arts-based learning in a community of like-minded families and teachers is appealing. It is our experience, however, that there is much more to Waldorf communities than that which is promoted by the Waldorf movement. Thus we see many parents, after a period of time feeling disillusioned and upset, pulling their children from Waldorf schools. By sharing our experience, knowledge, and concerns, our wish is to help people understand the hidden mission of Waldorf Education.

                                      Help PLANS Now!

                                      The legality of tax support of Waldorf education is now on appeal at the Ninth Circuit Court! PLANS needs your tax-deductible donations for trial expenses. Send your check to:

                                      PLANS, Inc.
                                      c/o Dan Dugan, Secretary
                                      290 Napoleon St., Studio E
                                      San Francisco, CA 94124

                                      Or click the box below to donate on line ($50 maximum):


                                    • dottie zold
                                      Separation of Church and State...a contiunance of the atheistic march against spirit in the world as a collective understanding.   All good things, Dottie If
                                      Message 18 of 26 , Feb 13, 2009
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                                        Separation of Church and State...a contiunance of the atheistic march against spirit in the world as a collective understanding.
                                         
                                        All good things,
                                        Dottie

                                        "If there is something more powerful than destiny, this must be the human being who bears destiny unshaken." Rudolf Steiner

                                        --- On Fri, 2/13/09, write3chairs <write3chairs@...> wrote:
                                        From: write3chairs <write3chairs@...>
                                        Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: "Happy" What?
                                        To: anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com
                                        Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 11:39 AM

                                        --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, dottie zold wrote:
                                        
                                        > They have some grievances that are valid as 
                                        > there are in any schooling system. They just 
                                        > prefer the ones that do not include anything 
                                        > to do with spirit, in the classroom. But they 
                                        > are ignorant, willfully, that spirit is in the 
                                        > classroom and can not be taken out as it exists 
                                        > within the human being or he wouldn't be here 
                                        > in the first place! Just because you do not 
                                        > believe does not make it go away! 
                                        >
                                        > However, as their fight was not holding up, 
                                        > they had to find other things to outrage people, 
                                        > enter Mr. Pied Piper Peter Staudenmaier, who meets 
                                        > them on all grounds including atheism...or as he 
                                        > likes to call it 'Christianity with a little 'C' 
                                        > clue line signifying atheism albeit hidden. 
                                        > It seems as if his main point is Steiner but its 
                                        > not, his main adversary as he sees it are Christians...
                                        > this is an area where Dan Dugan has not allowed him 
                                        > to enter into conversation on line in fear of 
                                        > pushing away those divorced parents who enter the 
                                        > fray who happen to be 'Christian' such as NewPaul. 
                                        >
                                        > All good things,
                                        > Dottie 
                                        
                                        But what exactly do they want to come of all this,
                                        with all these imaginary enemies. Looks like paranoia.
                                        
                                        Jennifer
                                        
                                        
                                        
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                                      • write3chairs
                                        ... Yep, still looks like paranoia. Interesting that they include a picture of Thomas Jefferson, for patriotic effect. So, what is this mysterious hidden
                                        Message 19 of 26 , Feb 13, 2009
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                                          --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "val2160" wrote:
                                          >
                                          > --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "write3chairs"
                                          > <write3chairs@> wrote:
                                          >
                                          > > But what exactly do they want to come of all this,
                                          > > with all these imaginary enemies. Looks like paranoia.

                                          Yep, still looks like paranoia. Interesting that they include a picture of Thomas Jefferson,
                                          for "patriotic" effect. So, what is this mysterious hidden mission of Waldorf education?

                                          Jennifer

                                          > From the PLANS website:
                                          >
                                          > [People For Legal And Nonsectarian Schools (PLANS) Logo] PLANS
                                          > Mission Statement [Thomas Jefferson Portrait]
                                          > <http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff1650.htm>
                                          > [Black Ink Brush Stroke] [PLANS home page]
                                          > <http://www.waldorfcritics.org/index.html> [PLANS concerns about
                                          > Waldorf education] <http://www.waldorfcritics.org/active/concerns.html>
                                          > [PLANS mission regarding Waldorf schools]
                                          > <http://www.waldorfcritics.org/active/mission.html> [PLANS non-profit
                                          > organization] <http://www.waldorfcritics.org/active/organization.html>
                                          > [PLANS press releases about lawsuit]
                                          > <http://www.waldorfcritics.org/active/pressreleases.html> [PLANS
                                          > articles about Waldorf Steiner Anthroposophy]
                                          > <http://www.waldorfcritics.org/active/articles.html> [PLANS frequently
                                          > asked questions FAQ about Waldorf Steiner Anthroposophy]
                                          > <http://www.waldorfcritics.org/active/FAQ.html> [PLANS waldorf-critics
                                          > email discussion list]
                                          > <http://www.waldorfcritics.org/active/critics.html> [PLANS
                                          > waldorf-survivors-only email discussion list]
                                          > <http://www.waldorfcritics.org/active/survivors.html> [PLANS
                                          > waldorf-critics discussion archives]
                                          > <http://www.waldorfcritics.org/active/archives.html> [PLANS books
                                          > about Waldorf Steiner Anthroposophy]
                                          > <http://www.waldorfcritics.org/active/bookstore.html> [PLANS Waldorf
                                          > signs bumper stickers]
                                          > <http://www.waldorfcritics.org/active/signs.html> [PLANS Waldorf
                                          > Anthroposophical occult artwork]
                                          > <http://www.waldorfcritics.org/active/artgallery.html> [PLANS
                                          > donations] <http://www.waldorfcritics.org/active/helpus.html> [PLANS
                                          > related links] <http://www.waldorfcritics.org/active/links.html>
                                          > People for Legal and Nonsectarian Schools will: 1. Provide parents,
                                          > teachers, and school boards with views of Waldorf education from outside
                                          > the cult of Rudolf Steiner. 2. Expose the illegality of public funding
                                          > for Waldorf school programs in the US. 3. Litigate against
                                          > schools violating the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment in the
                                          > US.
                                          > Families join Waldorf schools for a variety of reasons - always in a
                                          > spirit of goodwill and trust. Obviously, parents want the best for their
                                          > children and the concept of arts-based learning in a community of
                                          > like-minded families and teachers is appealing. It is our experience,
                                          > however, that there is much more to Waldorf communities than that which
                                          > is promoted by the Waldorf movement. Thus we see many parents, after a
                                          > period of time feeling disillusioned and upset, pulling their children
                                          > from Waldorf schools. By sharing our experience, knowledge, and
                                          > concerns, our wish is to help people understand the hidden mission of
                                          > Waldorf Education.
                                          > Help PLANS Now!
                                          > The legality of tax support of Waldorf education is now on appeal at the
                                          > Ninth Circuit Court! PLANS needs your tax-deductible donations for trial
                                          > expenses. Send your check to:
                                          >
                                          > PLANS, Inc.
                                          > c/o Dan Dugan, Secretary
                                          > 290 Napoleon St., Studio E
                                          > San Francisco, CA 94124
                                          >
                                          > Or click the box below to donate on line ($50 maximum):
                                          >
                                        • val2160
                                          ... picture of Thomas Jefferson, ... I don t know what effect they re going for. I d say Jefferson is there for his part in writing the Declaration of
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                                            --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "write3chairs" <write3chairs@...> wrote:

                                            > Yep, still looks like paranoia. Interesting that they include a picture of Thomas Jefferson,
                                            > for "patriotic" effect.


                                            I don't know what effect they're going for. I'd say Jefferson is there for his part in writing the Declaration of Independence but Steiner's on the other side. Maybe they're squaring off or maybe the critics find the PoF as near and dear to their hearts as well. I didn't copy this very well the first time-so here it is again with Steiner's photo along with the buttons:

                                            Rudolf Steiner Photo
                                            People For Legal And Nonsectarian Schools (PLANS) Logo
                                            PLANS Mission Statement
                                            Thomas Jefferson Portrait
                                            Black Ink Brush Stroke
                                            PLANS home page
                                            PLANS concerns about Waldorf education
                                            PLANS mission regarding Waldorf schools
                                            PLANS non-profit organization
                                            PLANS press releases about lawsuit
                                            PLANS articles about Waldorf Steiner Anthroposophy
                                            PLANS frequently asked questions FAQ about Waldorf Steiner Anthroposophy
                                            PLANS waldorf-critics email discussion list
                                            PLANS waldorf-survivors-only email discussion list
                                            PLANS waldorf-critics discussion archives
                                            PLANS books about Waldorf Steiner Anthroposophy
                                            PLANS Waldorf signs bumper stickers
                                            PLANS Waldorf Anthroposophical occult artwork
                                            PLANS donations
                                            PLANS related links

                                            People for Legal and Nonsectarian Schools will:

                                            1. Provide parents, teachers, and school boards with views of Waldorf education from outside the cult of Rudolf Steiner.

                                            2. Expose the illegality of public funding for Waldorf school programs in the US.

                                            3. Litigate against schools violating the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment in the US.

                                            Families join Waldorf schools for a variety of reasons - always in a spirit of goodwill and trust. Obviously, parents want the best for their children and the concept of arts-based learning in a community of like-minded families and teachers is appealing. It is our experience, however, that there is much more to Waldorf communities than that which is promoted by the Waldorf movement. Thus we see many parents, after a period of time feeling disillusioned and upset, pulling their children from Waldorf schools. By sharing our experience, knowledge, and concerns, our wish is to help people understand the hidden mission of Waldorf Education.

                                            Help PLANS Now!

                                            The legality of tax support of Waldorf education is now on appeal at the Ninth Circuit Court! PLANS needs your tax-deductible donations for trial expenses. Send your check to:

                                            PLANS, Inc.
                                            c/o Dan Dugan, Secretary
                                            290 Napoleon St., Studio E
                                            San Francisco, CA 94124

                                            Or click the box below to donate on line ($50 maximum):

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                                            > So, what is this mysterious hidden mission of Waldorf education?


                                            I don't know but I'm thinking of donating if it helps us find out.-Val


                                          • elfuncle
                                            ... You re so full of shit. Tarjei
                                            Message 21 of 26 , Feb 14, 2009
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                                              --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "val2160" <wdenval@...> wrote:
                                              >
                                              > --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "write3chairs"
                                              > write3chairs@ wrote:

                                              > > So, what is this mysterious hidden mission of Waldorf education?
                                              >
                                              > I don't know but I'm thinking of donating if it helps us find out.-Val


                                              You're so full of shit.

                                              Tarjei
                                            • val2160
                                              ... Well, I really don t know and I really am considering a donation-after all it is Valentine s Day-and that would be a gift regardless of how shitty you may
                                              Message 22 of 26 , Feb 14, 2009
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                                                --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "elfuncle" <coolvibes@...> wrote:

                                                > You're so full of shit.

                                                Well, I really don't know and I really am considering a donation-after all it is Valentine's Day-and that would be a gift regardless of how shitty you may think it is.-Val
                                              • val2160
                                                Yes, I m a few days late but then I figured what the hell-they are still a whole nother year older. Congrats PLANS
                                                Message 23 of 26 , Feb 19, 2011
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                                                  Yes, I'm a few days late but then I figured what the hell-they are still a whole 'nother year older.  Congrats PLANS  and here's to your forever altering your aspect to the Sun!-Val

                                                • Frank Thomas Smith
                                                  ... That *is* nice of you Val. As I was also thinking nice thoughts about them, I decided to check on Plans web site to see if there was anymore shit worth
                                                  Message 24 of 26 , Feb 19, 2011
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                                                    --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "val2160" <wdenval@...> wrote:
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    > Yes, I'm a few days late but then I figured what the hell-they are still
                                                    > a whole 'nother year older. Congrats PLANS
                                                    > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYYw59S1FAM&feature=relmfu> and here's
                                                    > to your forever altering your aspect to the Sun!-Val
                                                    >
                                                    That *is* nice of you Val. As I was also thinking nice thoughts about them, I decided to check on Plans' web site to see if there was anymore shit worth shoveling. And I noticed that in the upper left-hand corner is a photo of Rudolf Steiner and in the right-hand corner Thomas Jefferson. I understand that Plans is very critical of Steiner, but I wonder why Jefferson holds the other place of honor given that Peter Staudenmaier (bless him) claims that he (Jefferson) was a racist.
                                                    O well, stranger things have happened.
                                                    Frank
                                                  • val2160
                                                    ... still ... here s ... them, I decided to check on Plans web site to see if there was anymore shit worth shoveling. And I noticed that in the upper
                                                    Message 25 of 26 , Feb 28, 2011
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                                                      --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Thomas Smith" <fts.trasla@...> wrote:
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      > --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "val2160" wdenval@ wrote:
                                                      > >
                                                      > >
                                                      > > Yes, I'm a few days late but then I figured what the hell-they are still
                                                      > > a whole 'nother year older. Congrats PLANS
                                                      > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYYw59S1FAM&feature=relmfu> and here's
                                                      > > to your forever altering your aspect to the Sun!-Val
                                                      > >
                                                      > That *is* nice of you Val. As I was also thinking nice thoughts about them, I decided to check on Plans' web site to see if there was anymore shit worth shoveling. And I noticed that in the upper left-hand corner is a photo of Rudolf Steiner and in the right-hand corner Thomas Jefferson. I understand that Plans is very critical of Steiner, but I wonder why Jefferson holds the other place of honor given that Peter Staudenmaier (bless him) claims that he (Jefferson) was a racist.
                                                      > O well, stranger things have happened.
                                                      > Frank

                                                      So in the right hand corner we have Thomas Jefferson representing the State and all that's right  in um, the area of rights.  And in the left hand corner we have Rudolf Steiner representing religion.   PLANS is there in the middle separating the two with, as I recall, a whole bunch of verbiage.-Val
                                                    • val2160
                                                      ... about ... anymore ... bunch ... Also, Jefferson once said, I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know. So perhaps this is also supposed to be
                                                      Message 26 of 26 , Mar 1, 2011
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                                                        --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "val2160" <wdenval@...> wrote:
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        > --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Thomas Smith"
                                                        > fts.trasla@ wrote:
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > > --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "val2160" wdenval@
                                                        > wrote:
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > Yes, I'm a few days late but then I figured what the hell-they are
                                                        > still
                                                        > > > a whole 'nother year older. Congrats PLANS
                                                        > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYYw59S1FAM&feature=relmfu> and
                                                        > here's
                                                        > > > to your forever altering your aspect to the Sun!-Val
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > That *is* nice of you Val. As I was also thinking nice thoughts about
                                                        > them, I decided to check on Plans' web site to see if there was anymore
                                                        > shit worth shoveling. And I noticed that in the upper left-hand corner
                                                        > is a photo of Rudolf Steiner and in the right-hand corner Thomas
                                                        > Jefferson. I understand that Plans is very critical of Steiner, but I
                                                        > wonder why Jefferson holds the other place of honor given that Peter
                                                        > Staudenmaier (bless him) claims that he (Jefferson) was a racist.
                                                        > > O well, stranger things have happened.
                                                        > > Frank
                                                        >
                                                        > So in the right hand corner we have Thomas Jefferson representing the
                                                        > State and all that's right in um, the area of rights. And in the left
                                                        > hand corner we have Rudolf Steiner representing religion. PLANS is
                                                        > there in the middle separating the two with, as I recall, a whole bunch
                                                        > of verbiage.-Val

                                                        Also, Jefferson once said, "I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know."  So perhaps this is also supposed to be  indicitive of an indivdual versus universal dichotomy? I doubt that was the intent-I think it's more about the framer of the Constitution versus the framer of Anthroposophy but you can always ask his whiteness, I mean his highness, I mean blessed be his name, I mean the PLANS webmaster what the framing of these individuals on their site means.-Val

                                                        http://www.amaana.org/ikhwan/spiritualiteracy.htm

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