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  • dottie zold
    Taz! :)   Are you a day ahead of us? We re still here on the 6th and this is the last day/night right? of the Holy Nights? If not then I think it should be!
    Message 1 of 50 , Jan 6, 2009
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      Taz! :)
      Are you a day ahead of us? We're still here on the 6th and this is the last day/night right? of the Holy Nights? If not then I think it should be! It seems to me that this would be the final portion of overcoming Ahriman, the final temptation wherein the Christ can then move into the body forthwith as Jesus has withstood Ahriman and Lucifer throughout.
      Mr. Anderson, it is shared, said there were thirteen days to the Jordan for Jesus. And in The Fifth Gospel there are thirteen chapters.
      Today is the 6th for us, the final day. Tomorrow would be the beginning of nastiness festivities unless of course one wanted to not be pulled out of their square and keep it a good whole Christian year:) :)

      --- On Tue, 1/6/09, elfuncle <coolvibes@...> wrote:
      From: elfuncle <coolvibes@...>
      Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] 13th Day of Christmas
      To: anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 1:57 AM

      This is the end of the Holy Nights, so I'll permit myself to address contentious, argumentative, bickering, and controversial issues if called for -- or even if not called for for that matter. I've picked up an important cue from Dottie in this regard, and I'm going to stick with it in the future with regard to Christian holidays, which means Christian Holy Days (and Nights).

      Well, I'm checking the calendar, and from what I can see, a little outrageousness here and there until, say, February 25, Ash Wednesday, which starts off the 40 days' season of Lent before Easter, so from the end of February and into April 5, which is Palm Sunday, one ought to prepare for Easter by observing a period of fasting, repentance, moderation and spiritual discipline.

      Hmmm... I'll do my best to be very humble and loving and holy and abstain from flame wars and bullshit in that period and wait with such stuff then until after Easter, when we also approach Early Trolling Season. Trolling out of season is bad manners, I think -- that does not include the use of pseudonyms, but only the invention of fictitious characters, role-playing. And at Peak Trolling Season in June and July, in The Midsummer Night's Dream with Puck on the loose, that's when anthro-related forums troll each other, preferably skipping Ascension Day and Pentecost Sunday, and on Michaelmas, St. Michael arrives with his "stern mien" for autumnal tasks and bans all trolling for the rest of the year, spoiling all the fun.

      Anyway, Epiphany is over and here we go -- And Jennifer, you wrote:

      > Well, anyway, it's just one of many *many* things to think about!
      > And the fact that it all comes back down to freedom seems also
      > to be in line with Rudolf Steiner's teachings. It is also interesting
      > that there are what seem to be various anthroposophical "societies"
      > in the online forums, and that some of these seem to encourage
      > (or at least permit) backbiting members of other societies/forums.
      > I am thinking about the message from Bradford that Frank linked
      > to in an earlier message. It would be nice to hear Bradford explain
      > here what was behind that, why he chose to post this in another forum
      > instead of here, since he is a member here also, where it can be talked
      > about openly with the people he accuses of "flunked out research skills"
      > (Tarjei) and of being "Antrho punks" (he includes Frank), for example.
      > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/anthroposophy/message/18245
      > What point is Bradford trying to get across? The one that *comes*
      > across is that he is disgruntled and doesn't feel that he is being heard.

      You know this thing about gangs, bad gangs, like the Lowriders and the Highriders or the Crips and the Bloods -- in West Side Story, it was the Jets and the Sharks, fighting for street territory, like the mobsters, the mafia bosses with machine gun armies, in Chicago and New York. Well, in the Anthro-Cyberworld it's the Anthro-Wackos and the Anthro-Punks. And the reason why Bradford doesn't post his venom in this forum is that this is Anthro-Punk cyberterritory, but Bradford is not an Anthro-Punk, he's an Anthro-Wacko, which is why he posts to Wacko territory where he can preach to his own choir and get more friendly responses than he would have gotten in Punk territoty.

      As for his polemical style, it has to do with his formerly expressed aspiration to play spiritual science in the same manner that Jimmy Hendrix played the Star-Spangled Banner at Woodstock -- check out his post from four years ago at


      And the problem is, I think, that when you begin to "play" spiritual science like hard psychedelic rock, it's easy to glide into heavy metal a la Helter Skelter by The Beatles, which is not among their best by a long shot, and personally I'm a conservative when it comes to certain things, and I think there's a good reason to keep the culture of anthroposophically oriented spiritual science, esoteric Christianity, primarily associated with classical music like Mozart, Bach, and Beethoven.

      Conservatism is, of course, the opposite of what is associated with progressiveness, modernity, fashion and so forth, and I assume there's a good reason why Bradford and his fellow Anthro-Wackos keep calling me and other Punks here retarded sentient souls and stifled intellectual souls and what have you. There's nothing wrong with being called strange anthrobabblish things; the only problem is that such constant and repetitive abuse of these terms disturbs the endeavor to learn what they really mean, to study anthroposophy properly and gain a grasp of these things. Fun and games is one thing, but when anthroposophy itself is being played with in an immature and self-centered fashion, the playing becomes destructive, and this is something that Bradford and Tom have in common. Tom is definitely not an Anthro-Punk, and he is apparently not an Anthro-Wacko either; he is a loose cannon switching teams and changing sides at his frivolous pleasure, and for the most part he has been playing hole-creature during the last year or two, teaming up with Peter Staudenmaier, and when he gets bored with that, he'll switch to playing Steiner-advocate again to challenge the hole-folks for the fun of it. But Tom seems to have more respect for Peter S than for anyone else in the cyberworld because Peter is a shewd and clever gameplayer -- no passion there like in the case of Bradford and his fellow Wackos, but pure intellectual cleverness intent upon pinning anthroposophy to Nazism and Steiner to Hitler. Tom takes his hat off for such smart literary acrobatics, and he likes to join such a team. But nobody knows when he gets too bored to continue and thinks of something else.

      There's one game, though, that only the Anthro-Punks know how to play, and that's trolling. The Anthro-Wackos can't master the Art of Trolling, and neither can the hole-folks, and not Tom either, because they're all prisoners of their own personalities, ideologies, and ideas.

      Live well and prosper in 2009, everybody!


    • Frank Thomas Smith
      ... And on the same page Herr Lochmann highly recommends ( a must read ) a book by a conspiracy theorist named Tarpley Freeman: Sie haben ein neues Buch vor
      Message 50 of 50 , Jan 14, 2009
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        --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, Robert Mason
        <robertsmason_99@...> wrote:
        > OK, not so final . . . .
        > The first six parts of Menzer's historical
        > article are now on Willy Lochmann's website, in
        > English:
        > <http://www.lochmann-verlag.com/AAG1923englischpart1to6.pdf>
        > (He also has some comments about Rudolf Saacke's
        > recent contributions on the topic:
        > <http://www.lochmann-verlag.com/Aktualitaeten.htm>

        And on the same page Herr Lochmann highly recommends ("a must read") a
        book by a conspiracy theorist named Tarpley

        Freeman: Sie haben ein neues Buch vor wenigen Wochen veröffentlicht,
        CANDIDATE. Was können sie uns darüber erzählen, um was geht es darin?

        Your new book was published a few week s ago: OBAMA THE POSTMODERN
        COUP - THE MAKING OF A MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE. What can you tell us
        about it?

        Tarpley: Ja, auf Deutsch bedeutet der Titel „Obama der postmoderne
        Staatsstreich – das Erzeugen eines manchurischen Kandidaten", ein
        Mensch der durch Gehirnwäsche zu einem „Mordinstrument" umfunktioniert
        wird, und genau das ist was wir in den USA jetzt erleben. Wir haben
        die Kandidatur von Barak Hussein Obama, ein Mann der aus dem Nichts
        kam, der eigentlich nichts vertritt, sein Lebenslauf ist ein weisses
        Blatt, er hat nichts zustande gebracht, und trotzdem schaut es aus,
        wie wenn er der Präsidentschaftskandidat der Demokraten sein wird.

        Tarpley: ...a man who through brainwashing becomes an instrument of
        murder, and that's what we are experiencing now in the USA. We have
        the candidature of Barack Hussein Obama, someone who came from
        nowhere, who represents nothing, his biography is a blank page, he has
        accomplished nothing and nevertheless it looks like he will be the
        Democrat's presidential candidate..." And so on with the most
        ludicrous (but hateful)crap. Here's his website if you have a strong
        stomach: http://www.tarpley.net/
        I would say that Lochmann's website can - should - be safely ignored.
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