Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: occult lodges and islam
- Thanks a million, Rick! It's amazing: On my very bookshelf in front of me,
I have this lecture cycle - "The Book of Revelation and the Work of the
Priest." - in a new edition (Rudolf Steiner Press 1998) that I purchased
some time last year, but after reading the first five lectures, I became
too busy with other things to continue, and then I forgot all about it.
Until now. Gee, you just opened my eyes here. You mention lectures 11 and
12, but here is the synopsis for lecture 7:
"Lecture 7, Dornach, 11. September 1924
The year 333. The apocalypt's prophetic vision of a possible departure from
the Christ Principle and return to the Father Principle. Mohammedan
teachings. 666 - the number of the Beast. Transubstantiation and karma."
(Reference: Vorträge und Kurse über christlich-religiöses Wiurken, V.
Apokalypse und Priesterwirken, GA 346)
The last lecture in this cycle (no. 18) was held (in Dornach) 22. september
1924, i.e immediately before he became too ill to lecture any more! We're
talking about Steiner's final lectures here.
If I can squeeze in the time, I'll post some of this stuff on my website as
a follow-up to my previously cited article about Western lodges and Islam.
Maybe the expression is inappropriate under the circumstances, but this is
At 14:34 08.11.2003, Rick wrote:
>The following was being distributed throughout other Anthroposophic
>e-groups. The material may be disturbing and quite controversial due to
>the recent developments in the last couple of years. It is compilation of
>various points that Steiner had given to the CC priests in September of
>1924. The translation/edition is not exactly what I have in my edition at
>some points. I looked through my copy and found that the following is
>actually from two lectures and that these are points from Steiner's
>lectures that the individual had selected.
>The lecture cycle is titled, "The Book of Revelation and the Work of the
>Priest." (18 lectures). The two cited lectures are: 11 & 12
>September,1924; Dornach, Switzerland.
- Hi Tarjei,
In reading this book by Karen Armstrong I am getting a
better 'feel' for Muhammed and what he endeavored to
bring to his people.
One of the things that strikes me is that its path was
similar to that of Judiasm: in order to get to one God
they had to take down the 'daughters of God'. That was
the missing piece for Muhammed on the way to
monotheism as it was for the Jews.
Interestingly as well is that what he was working on
was a change of consciousness from family blood ties
to spirit ties that outgrow the familial bounds
similar to Jesus' concepts in a way.
I find that Muhammed was very much inspired by the
story of Mary and Jesus. There is a reference to them
early on that actually insinuates to the exoteric way
of reading her being a virgin. However when reading it
from an esoteric level the 'veil' being lifted is
Well, what I am coming to is that Muhammed seems to
have brought a religion that centered on surrendering
(islam) ones total self to God. And the way to show
that was through letting go of worldly goods and
giving to the poor and taking care of them. But what
strikes me is this absolute 'feel' I have about the
self (nafas) getting its house in order. So, in a way
although it is one religion it seems to be made up of
singular people on a quest for God. Although they call
themselves Muslims as one their quest is really each
one by themselves. It kind of reminds me a wee bit of
Self Realization Fellowship by Paramahansa Yogananda.
It has that sense of righting oneself before God.
Almost like he took the Christ revelation and and then
became one of the men that achieved a self
revelation. Almost reminds me of the snake.
At one point the book speaks of 'exciting' the hatred
of the Jews. It is pretty apparant that they were
considered 'trash' among the peoples in that region.
And it seems they truly never recovered even unto this
day their own sense of worth. Almost as if they are
always in the place of having to defend their honor.
And not really only their own but that of their
Prophet as well. They know he is not what the Western
world says and they are always fighting some uphill
battle in their minds.
One last thing before I go. I find it extremely
interesting that the Satanic Versus as related by
Rushdie actually speak to two lines where Muhammed
gave credence to the 'daughters of God'. He then tried
to and actually did take the versus back and claimed
that they were slaves just as the everyday people
were, and that one could not look to them for guidance
Well, maybe this is the last piece before I go:) They
have the most remarkable references to Satan that I
have ever seen. To them their was no original sin.
Muhammed believed that this was all a part of Gods
plan. That in the end Satan will be the last to be
saved but he will be. Also he states that it is Satan
who loved God the most. I think of Lucifer here.
Anyway, the more I read of this Muhammed the more I
come to understand how he was able to achieve what he
did in such a short time. He truly had his face on God
and inspired others to do the same.
Tarjei you wrote:
> This point of yours was actually corroborated byTarjei
> Rudolf Steiner when he
> said that Arabic materialism was blunted by the
> emergence of Islam. So RS
> implies that this religion was a progressive force
> when it was introduced
> in the 7th century. Apparently, the destructive
> forces inherent in
> "Arabism" and connected with 666, Sorath and so on,
> has hijacked this
> religious stream because it has outlived its alotted
> era long ago.
> Specific manifestations of egoism. When a young manDottie
> kills men, women, and
> children at random by blowing himself to pieces with
> them in the firm
> belief that he will be rewarded with 70 virgins in
> Paradise for such a
> deed, we're not only talking about merciless egoism,
> but a specific variety
> of it, probably exclusively found among Muslims.
Yeah, this thing with the virgins bothers me a bit. I
think it is ridiculing them and this is not what
Muhammed had in mind physically. When I sink into the
Koran I will see what that means. In the mean time I
am going to speak to my friend about this.
I am not so sure it is found exclusively among Muslims
but I do not know how to make the argument. What comes
to mind are the 'fundies' of the world. We have people
here in the states killing doctors who perform
abortions in recent years. And I believe it will only
get worse as the right gets more power in regards to
other segments of society as well. We are about to
face the 'gay rights to marriage issue' and this is a
powder keg waiting to go. And they believe they are
doing what God would want them to do. Its pretty
And I wonder what is the difference regarding the ego
of having 70 virgins versus doing an evil thing for
p.s. I know I am not the best one to converse on this
subject however I would like to say it has inspired me
to become more knowledgable regarding a group of
people who are going to light the world on fire.
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