Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Anthroposophy, Nazism, and Scientology
- Christine wrote:"Nazism is definitely Ahriman."*****************************************************************************************************I won't specifically argue with the above but from a personal perspective I always looked at Nazism as a confluence of all three opposing streams: Lucifer, Ahriman and Sorat.In its fanaticism we see the impulse of the luciferic stream at hand. The Nuremberg rallies come to mind for instance.The ahrimanic impulse finds its way into Nazism in its mechanistic approach in its style of militarism and militaristic aggression; almost machine-like in its deliberation. The concentration camps also display the ahrimanic influence in their medical experiments and in their record keeping of the holocaust victims.The Sorat/Asuric influence is evident in Nazism in its vicious and malefic disregard for human life.rick distasi----- Original Message -----From: golden3000997@...Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 9:21 AMSubject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Anthroposophy, Nazism, and ScientologyHello Taz et al,
That's pretty easy, dear uncle! Nazism is definitely Ahriman. Hitler was a
direct "descendant" in reverse of Ahriman (forerunner). He came to test the
waters, so to speak and to help those spiritual forces preparing for Ahriman's
incarnation to get a "preview of coming attractions" - to see the effects and
what might go wrong. There is an American company, which a relative of mine works
for, called Decisionquest. They set up mock trials for mega-corporation and
probably government interests when they are faced with lawsuits. They select
juries from the public and go through the whole procedure, then analyize and
evaluate the results and report to the company or entity who hired them, so they
can see how to adjust their approach at the real trial in order to win. To me,
that is what Hitler (or rather, the entity who occupied his body) was doing -
giving world domination a good trial run. I think what they will have learned
is to be a bit more subtle - more brutal, but more subtle. They have learned
in the interim how effective it is to commit atrocity while sounding
"politically correct." The masses today take far more umbrage against someone using the
wrong words than against what they actually do. People will hate more someone
who works to help "nigger children" in the inner cities than someone who
Lucifer must adore Scientology. It must be one of his pet projects. It is all
about the "Me" versus the "I". I have read some of their literature, not a
lot, but that combined with information about the group and it's effects leads
me to believe that it is the ultimate cult of the "me" generation. It is not
about "we" as a whole, just a collection of "me"s getting their kicks in the
spiritual world. It is about pole vaulting to the spiritual world and by-passing
the path that leads to the spiritual world that has an objective reality. The
spiritual world found through Scientology is real, too, but only in a kind of
bubble, cut off from everyone else. Of course, reaching it permits the
individual to access many spiritual powers, heightened intellect and will, control of
emotions, etc. that reside already within each of us. But it specifically
cuts off any perception of a spiritual world accessible to all. Remember John
Travolta in "Phenomenon"? He is a fervent avowed Scientologist and that movie was
such a total revelation. Struck by lightning, his intellectual and psychic
powers increased exponentially. Everyone was amazed. He taught and healed. Then
he died of a brain tumor, leaving those around him and the movie going
wondering, "Were those psychic powers REAL, or just a fluke result of a brain tumor?"
" Are ANY psychic powers real or just an anomaly of some physical disease?"
"We wish they were real, but they probably aren't." Thus re-inforcing the idea
that real spiritual perception is beyond man's capacity if he is healthy.
It's fine that the world identifies "evil" so completely with Adolf Hitler
and the image of a ranting, roaring madman standing in front of masses looking
rather ridiculous. It will be so much easier to accept the real Ahriman when he
appears in Dockers and Reboks and speaks oh so gently and wisely. I just
watched a movie called "Blind Spot, Hitler's Secretary." It is nothing but a long
interview, spliced from several, of a woman who died shortly after the movie
came out in 2002. She was one of Hitler's personal secretaries, selected by him
as a young woman in her early 20's. After 50 years, she finally decided to
speak for the first time about her experiences. Among many things that affected
and impressed me what that when she first met him, he was so different from
the impressive figure (shall we say) that she had seen on the newsreels. And
even through living with him in the bunker up to the very end, he still remained
in that environment only a kind and considerate "normal" man. There were only
a few instances that she described seeing him turn cold or hot toward someone,
but mostly, those images were kept for the media.
Now, we "know" just what an evil man will look and sound like. And of course,
no one in America fits that description, surely! We "know" there are no
Hitlers here! Of course, Osama bin Laden and Suddam Hussein "could" be evil, they
certainly have a strange and fanatical "look" about them.
Rather successful "dry run", wouldn't you say?
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- Yah, but....
Lucifer & Ahriman help each other, remember? Lucifer got all the emotions
worked up for Ahriman's mechanizations re: Hitler. Ahriman's got his "perfect
world" brand of materialism all over Lucifer's pet project of Scientology. Kind
of like Jeb & Dubya, no?
- When I suggested that if Christ reveals himself through Anthroposophy ,
perhaps Lucifer and Ahriman express themselves through Nazism and
Scientology. And if so, how can the puzzle be put together with regard to
the last part?
At 15:21 08.11.2003, Christine wrote:
>That's pretty easy, dear uncle! Nazism is definitely Ahriman.I've had some time to ponder about this, and I've concluded that Christine
is probably right. Scientology is closer to Communism, which originated in
the Luciferic East. Fascism, Nazism, and capitalism are more Western and
Ahrimanic. Ahriman is also the World Prince of the NT and the chief of
economics and politics. His incarnation is around the corner, probably on
the Western hemisphere, perhaps the U.S.
Considering the fact that politics is Ahriman's concern, this adds another
dimension to the Faustian bargain involved in all political engagements,
diplomacy and so on. In other words, when you take a movement like
Anthroposophy into the political arena (via Threefolding), you're at the
bargaining table with the World Prince, Ahriman.
- Hello Taz et al!
I am wondering - how many people in this group take Steiner's indication of
Ahriman's BODILY, PHYSICAL incarnation seriously. I happen to do so, but
sometimes I think I have known anthropops who consider it metaphorical. If it IS
real - a "walk-in" type taking over of a specially prepared individual, then
there can be no talk of putting the Threefold Social Order "on the table" in the
political arena. Both Steiner and the Bible are very clear that this is to be
HIS time (sorry for the caps - bold & italic don't work on my server). No one
can prevent it, no one can stand up to it in any way except in the arena of
conciousness. While there is still time (minutes to go in spiritual time) some
bold individuals are posting the truth on the Net. I just ordered "The New World
Order Exposed" from the link below. I have been paying attention to many
other "conspiracy" sites such as www.infowars.com - really good video!
Of course, I am always caught in the middle on all of this, otherwise I would
already be in some Christian Survivalist group. I really do believe that that
chip or bar code or whatever else they are going to use to permit us to "buy
and sell" is on its way and I really don't want to take it, but how to live???
Of course, I cannot go into such a group because of the limits on spiritual
freedom that they impose. Just as in my article "Religion in the Waldorf
School", we are too pagan for the Christians and too Christian for the pagans.
So, dear Uncle, we have to keep writing and speaking the TRUTH for as long as
we can. Then we have to archive it and hide it for the time when all sources
of communication are cut down (soon). We need to survive, or rather someone
does who will bring it back to the light of day after the holocaust and teach
the young. That is what we must teach those who are children now - to be
teachers in the future. That is why is it such a subversive act. Do you think
"Farenheit 451" by Bradbury is just a fairy tale??? It has happened and will happen
Have you ever seen the movie "The White Rose" about a group of college
students in Munich who, for a time, published a newsletter against Hitler? They were
caught and executed. This is the price. We cannot go "to the table" with the
Antichrist. It's his table right now and we are not welcome.
Steiner did write and work in order to try to head off the forces at the end
of the first world war that would eventually lead to the second world war. Of
course, not even he could stop the tide of destiny. But his work stands in the
Akashic and at least for now, in the physical world to help us garner the
inner spiritual, mental and emotional courage to live in these times and work for
the times to come.
With love, not malice,
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3) Military Smokescreen: Who Commanded the Air Force to 'stand down'?
4) Notes and Quotes: The War on Terrorism - Money, Fear and Rights
5) 9-11 Smokescreen
6) Fear, Psychic Driving, and Pavlov's Dogs
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7) Drug Trafficking: A Brief Historical Overview
8) The War in Afghanistan: Opium and Oil
9) War-Mongers, Death-Merchants, & Killers: America's War Machine
10) The Carlyle Group
11) The Bush-Bin Laden Family Connection
12) Banks, Oil, and Drug Trafficking: An Overview of Mike Ruppert's The Truth
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Section Three: Control Systems
13) The Psychology of Control Systems
14) Yes, Virginia, There is a New World Order
15) The Controllers and their Evil Goals
16) Compartmentalization and the Need to Know
17) Notes & Quotes: We Don't Need Your Education
18) Review: Lawrence Dawson's The Death of Reality: How a Conspiracy of Fools
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19) Review: Hugh Foxs The Invisibles: A Dialect
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22) The Federal Reserve System Must be destroyed
23) Do We Want To Save America? Then Demand that We Destroy the Federal
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24) Financial Enslavement and the Federal Reserve: An Overview of Peter
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28) The Controller's Ultimate Motives
29) Big Brother Technology - A Boot Stomping on a Human Face
30) The Terminator Gene: Who Controls the World's Food Supply? An Overview of
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31) Chemtrails over Happy Valley
32) Notes and Quotes: Mind Control
Section Six: History
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34) Why Did Americans Finance the Bolshevik Revolution?
35) Reviewed: Antony L. Sutton's Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler
36) FDR and the Controllers: War-Time Traitors - Pearl Harbor
37) FDR and the Controllers: War-Time Traitors - The Atomic Bomb
38) FDR and the Controllers: War-Time Traitors - Russia and the Atomic Bomb
39) Adolf Hitler and Black Magic: The Real Reason behind the Nazi Party's
Rise to Power - A
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40) The Bush Family and Nazi Blood Money
41) Notes and Quotes: The Rockefeller File by Gary Allen
42) A review of The Report from Iron Mountain on the Possibility and
Desirability of Peace
43) Jonestown: Mass Suicide, or Massacre?
44) Notes and Quotes: The Oklahoma City Bombing
45) Notes and Quotes: The Freemasons, Lucifer, the New World Order and Beyond
46) Civilization, History, and the Decline of the West: An Overview of Samuel
The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order
Section Seven: The American Presidency
47) Who Controls the American Presidency?
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49) An Overview of Gerald Carrolls Project Seek: Onassis, Kennedy, and the
50) An Overview of Michael Collins Pipers Final Judgment: The Missing Link
in the JFK
51) The Rothschild-CFR Connection
52) Notes and Quotes: Regicide: The Official Assassination of John F. Kennedy
Section Eight: The Media & Society
53) Why Doesn't the Media Tell Us About the Bilderbergs?
54) The American Media Should Be Ashamed of Itself
55) Take Back Your Stolen Vote: Votescam Revisited
56) Mainstream Media Cowardice: An Overview of Into the Buzzsaw
57) Reviewed: The Octopus - Secret Government and the Death of Danny Casolaro
by Kenn &
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58) The American Caste System
Section Nine: The Man Who Runs Happy Valley
59) The Man Who Runs Happy Valley
60) The Story behind the High School Shootings
61) An Alien Base beneath Beaver Stadium
62) AIDS: Man-Made Virus Created in a Laboratory
63) Taxation or Slavery?
Section Ten: Finale
64) Frogs Being Boiled to Death in a Pot
65) David Rockefeller Speaks
66) Do We Care Enough To Save America?
67) The Outlaw Class
68) An Interview with Victor Thorn
69) Afterword: He Who Would Face the Winds by Lisa Guliani
THE NEW WORLD ORDER EXPOSED
by Victor Thorn
Some of the explosive material contained within this book:
Who commanded our Air Force to stand down for nearly two hours on the
morning of 9-11?
The Federal Reserve is a privately-owned, for-profit corporation with seven
of the top ten shareholders being foreign banks
The Bush family was the Nazi partys primary money launderer during World War
The CIA is one of the largest drug traffickers in the world
Undeniable proof that AIDS is a man-made disease
The Bush and bin-Laden families have been in business together for over 30
years and, until recently, both belonged to the Carlyle investment group
The Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City was actually brought down by
explosive charges inside the building
The primary financiers for both the Bolshevik Revolution and Hitlers rise to
power were American bankers
Learn how Votescam is being used to steal your vote
Franklin Roosevelt had full knowledge of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor
nearly two weeks before it actually took place
The OSS and CIA have been working hand-in-hand with organized crime since the
90% of the people at Jonestown were either killed by gunshot, strangulation,
or lethal injection not suicide
Franklin Roosevelt had given all of our nuclear secrets to Russia by 1943
nearly two years before we dropped the Bomb in Hiroshima
The U.S. Government smuggled scores of Nazi scientists into this country
after WWII under Project Paperclip
- At 21:04 09.11.2003, Christine wrote:
>So, dear Uncle,For the record: I am not an Uncle; I am only Tarjei, a normal human mortal.
But I take it as a compliment that you're getting me mixed up with my
mentor and guru Uncle Taz. He is an elf, Uncle Sam's very cousin, and a
member of the Lodge of Planetary Uncles.
>we have to keep writing and speaking the TRUTH for as long as we can. ThenReminds me of a couple of sci-fi movies. One of them was a British flick
>we have to archive it and hide it for the time when all sources of
>communication are cut down (soon). We need to survive, or rather someone
>does who will bring it back to the light of day after the holocaust and
>teach the young. That is what we must teach those who are children now -
>to be teachers in the future.
from the 1970's where a police state practiced book burning; all books were
banned, and people had to memorize them to keep their contents alive, going
by the names of the volumes they's memorized.
>That is why is it such a subversive act. Do you think "Farenheit 451" byI haven't seen or read that one. But I like some of Ray Bradbury's short
>Bradbury is just a fairy tale??? It has happened and will happen again.
stories, especially "Charlie," which has two screen versions. The first
version starred Cliff Robertson as Charlie; I recently watched the newer
version but don't recall the names of the actors.
Anyway, Charlie is mentally handicapped, but he is cheerful, trusting,
happy, and so "dumb" he doesn't realize people are making fun of him. He
actually laughs _with_ them when they are laughing _at_ him, taking
pleasure in _their_ fun. And as the story goes, the researchers have
discovered a clever piece of surgery that can make him into a genius, with
the possible side effect of becoming even dumber than before if the
experiment reverses itself. So Charlie becomes a genius, and he reverses to
what he was before, but in the meantime, at the height of his intellectual
powers, he succeeds in teaching a lesson to academia: The cleverness hase
made him cynical, angry, and unhappy, because he sees through the
selfishness, arrogance, etc. in people and the world. But the "old
Charlie," or the "dumb Charlie," is happy. It was a wonderful film, and I
wish they'd make more of them.
I find a particular insight by Rudolf Steiner tremendously interesting, and
in fact very moving. t makes a lot of sense to me when I read that he
claimed something like: "Every time I look at genius, I see at least one
former incarnation as a mental retard." This makes so much sense because
most of us use a meager 5 or 10 per cent of the brain's capacity. If you
use 40 per cent, you're better than Einstein. And let's say you have to
live through a whole life with a defective brain, when even tying your shoe
laces is a tremendous challenge. You have to use an enormous percentage of
your severely disadvantaged brain to perform menial everyday tasks. So
imagine what happens when you reincarnate in a healthy body with a
well-endowed intellect! You'll use its full capacity (as you had to do last
time), and you'll be a genius!
So of course Steiner said of the mentally retarded, that they are preparing
for their future incarnations. And with this in mind, he established
so-called "curative education."
Someone once mentioned on an e-list that Rudolf Steiner speaks about "rest
incarnations" and the frequent occurrence of a life with disabilities
shortly before a life of great accomplishment. (Can someone enlighten us
here?) "Rest incarnation" seems to me an odd description of brain damage or
With the above in mind, a mentally handicapped condition would not be an
incarnation of rest, but of exercise, of hard work.
>Have you ever seen the movie "The White Rose" about a group of collegeNo I haven't.
>students in Munich who, for a time, published a newsletter against Hitler?
>They were caught and executed. This is the price. We cannot go "to theWho would ever suspect you of malice? I think your exposes and links are
>table" with the Antichrist. It's his table right now and we are not welcome.
>Steiner did write and work in order to try to head off the forces at the
>end of the first world war that would eventually lead to the second world
>war. Of course, not even he could stop the tide of destiny. But his work
>stands in the Akashic and at least for now, in the physical world to help
>us garner the inner spiritual, mental and emotional courage to live in
>these times and work for the times to come.
>With love, not malice,
fascinating. And you're so right, we have to vouchsafe the truth from the
bad guys and the tyrants to come.....