Re: A handful of suspects (was: Mispelling Names)
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "elfuncle"
>T: Perhaps it's a male and the name is hale getting caught in his own
> Diana wrote to "Carol":
> > Except that a few days ago you were telling us that, being female,
> > you couldn't understand technology?
> cleverness......F: Or...a ventriloquist troll.
> On the other hand, the Carol troll may also be played by several
> puppeteers, which explains discrepancies in spelling, views,
> arguments, and other things. If that's the case, we have a handful of
Tom, just have a little something to add. (besides excusing my spelling mistakes)
This has to do with silence on certain aspects of spiritual science ' because of an occultly sealed decree administered by the assembly of higher beings.'
Imagine Tom if very powerfull occult forces residing within humanity, and urgently needed around the time of Ahriman's incarnation were revealed exoterically in advance. Then obviously the occult stream representing black magic couldn't be taken by surprise by them. They would also risk being trivialised.
However, Sorat is no fool, and it's no wonder that the Arab people are being vilified and murdered mercilessly.
I'd like to draw your attention to Celine Dion. This unique singer from a large, poor, French Catholic family, is one of a kind in our time. Her personality and voice demonstrate an innate ability to courageously reach up to great astral heights, and she is drawing many souls there through her determination and charisma. In fact, her French songs carry much more inner meaning. She is married to an Arab man. In fact, this man has been her mentor since early adolescence.
May I suggest that she has karmicaly needed the steadfast presence of an Arab man, in order to subjugate any penetration of modern day superficiality from her path while she assumes the spiritual forces behind Christianism and romantism.
That's all, C.
--- In email@example.com, "carol" <organicethics@...> wrote:
> I wonder if you can elaborate more on the Arabs and Islam and its
> connection to anthroposophy because I have always been troubled by
> Rudolf Steiner's venomous and near hysterical hatred of and contempt for
> the Arabs.
> You know when I hear the term Anti-Semitism associated with Rudolf
> Steiner, I do not think of Jews at all. I think of the Arabs.
> Tom wrote:"Perhaps that is because I myself karmically feel most
> sympathy with that Arabic Stream (and notice how I could equally spell
> it ArabExtreme).I recall many discussions I had with Rene Querido as to
> whether I was a Platonist or Aristotelian. I told him time and again
> that I felt no real connection to either stream. Then Dennis Klocek
> suggested to me: "Well, maybe you're a Pythagorean."I tried that for a
> while and that seemed to work, but I kept coming back again and again to
> the Arab stream, especially when I read all 8 volumes of the Karmic
> Relationships cycle.Time and time again, I kept asking myself: "What the
> hell does Steinerhave against the Arabs? Why is every villain in his
> life areincarnated Arab?"Just look at a sampling of his short shit list
> from the KR cyclesalone. Everyone nasty was an Ay-rab before!President
> Woodrow Wilson -- past life as ArabCharles Darwin -- past life as
> ArabFrancis Bacon -- past life as Haroun al RashidAmos Comenius -- past
> life as counselor to above Haroun al RashidThe only rationale I could
> come up with was that Steiner was terminally pissed off at the Arabs for
> distorting his writings asAristotle. You know, you would think the
> petulant Piscean pissant would have instead been deeply grateful to the
> Arabs for preservingAristotle's works.Anyway, I would very much like to
> hear your thoughts on the subject."
> Well Tom, your inquiries are, in my opinion, fully justified. I will
> share with you that at the age of 22, when I was at that time living
> fully within my 'double', hanging out with small time drug dealers,
> living far from my familly, in 'religious' Montreal, I met a very
> pregnant white woman who was married to a Muslim Arab. Since we both had
> a young child and were ourselves young, we 'clicked' though I don't
> recall having shared with her any deep discussion on religion. Within a
> VERY short span of time, I was as if 'thrown' into a spiritual
> metamorphosis, where literally overnight, I picked up my personal
> belongings and son, and headed back to where my family lived. I KNOW
> that my encounter with this woman, who represented a pious mix of
> Christianity and Mohammedism, eccentuated by the spiritual forces of
> pregnacy, was employed by the powers of the heavens, to trigger my
> spectacular supersensible personal event- an event which had me from
> that moment on, poised within a theosophic reality, and had me promptly
> and intensively applying myself to my 'ascension', with no looking
> back.... A couple of years later, I returned to Montreal to live, since
> I speak French and had previously recognised that I could develop my
> life there without too much 'flack' coming from the Anglo work ethic.
> Within a year, destiny had it that I was introduced to an Arab man of
> great physical structure and beauty, and I had a child with him...
> In returning to Anthroposophy: since it appears that my destiny involves
> not being OVERLY dependent on external social contact with other
> Anthropsophist, I was able to cultivate 'spiritual order' within myself
> first through intense personal study, and then as time progressed,
> through a conscious rapport with my Angelic being, my discarnate
> grandmother and eventually more.
> Throughout these younger years of my life, if I happened to come across
> references to Arabism which focussed entirely on the 'materialist
> development of thought', I would simply take note of it, but would
> remain deeply steeped in my own astral experience of it. In fact, the
> occult force which overlooks me sheilds me from any overly 'Luciferic'
> interpretations concerning thought forces and any 'attack' which this
> may entail towards the present day Arabic experience: this self
> protective quality is probably inherent in the Arabic/Mohhamedism
> 'etheric stream'.
> Now getting back to Rudolf Steiner. My current perspective tells me to
> avoid attaching any substancial amount of egoism to the man who lived.
> In my experience, Rudolf Steiner pretty much incarnated a higher being
> who belongs to a greater 'team' of beings. That he principally fucused
> on the development of intelligence which Western man is assuming and
> intelligence's potential to be taken up by Eastern European man, is in
> my opinion, the result of a 'decision' made by the 'grouping' of higher
> beings. (of the likes of Buddha, Christian Rosenkreus, Michael... )
> (Note: the Micheal school should be experienced as embracing ALL, that's
> all of humanity, all spiritual properties active in any folksoul,
> religious impulse, religious church, all that is occurring in the higher
> worlds pertaining to this segment of human development, the cooperative
> work of the Masters of wisdom and harmony etc... Therefore Rudolf
> Steiner legacy must represent an extremely high level cooperative
> contribution to a greater 'story'. )
> Any addition 'finer' spiritual forces and truths not blatantly or even
> subtlely revealed by Rudolf Steiner as he engaged himself in lectures or
> personal contact, may be the result of: lack of time, or because of an
> occultly sealed decree administered by the assembly of higher beings.
> During his lifetime, Rudolf Steiner dropped many hints which can be
> picked up by sufficiently prepared Michael students who themselves,
> eventually become subject to the same restrictive conditions which he
> was. As a result, they themselves communicate through a method of
> 'dropping hints'... As should be expected, humanity's spiritual develop
> is one big continuum which never ceases and today's Michael students,
> whether fully, partially or unconscious of it, DO partake in the whole
> aspect of it...
> So Tom, almost yesturday, destiny had it that we were all focussing on
> one sentence which included the words 'blacks are earthy'. As you can
> imagine, Anthroposophist should interpret this 'thought image' through
> engaging 'heart forces' as well as the intellect and therefore 'feel'
> it's meaning. This combination of words represents what I have just
> referred to as having dropped a hint.
> Tom, how about engaging your flexible thought abilities and make
> connections using choice aspects from any and all of Steiner's legacy.
> Tom, how often besides in 'earthy blacks' do you see Steiner refering to
> an 'organic', 'living', 'nature' treatment of physical reality?
> This might indicate that the intellectual quality which Steiner on the
> hand upheld as ideal in opposition to a materialistic application of it,
> NEEDS to incorporate an 'organic' 'earthy' 'living' quality to it.
> How often does Steiner discuss the Astral body's transformative powers
> over the rest of the organism including it's place as a key element in
> carrying communicative properties towards all that is Spirit?
> This 'earthy' African stock is itself a participating living organism
> within our collective human SOUL social fabric. (We mustn't be racist on
> THIS LEVEL!!)
> How evident are Astral qualities apparent in African stock in contrast
> to White stock?
> Is your soul able to assume these living concepts, harmonise them within
> your spiritualised soul so that you remain a finely humble, discreet
> Anthroposophic participant in the greater wholeness of our earthly human
> social fabric?
> Tom, do your inquiries at the base suggest that you want reassurance
> from me that it is conform with Anthroposophy that students of spiritual
> science can and should themselves assume to make connections using mere
> hints once that have themselves developed healthy organs of spiritual
> The "primeval fear of leaving those amniotic like waters behind and
> being stranded on the strand." of your third fish tank could possibly
> suggest something in this direction.
> Anyways, that's all that I'm ready to discuss for now. Bradford's recent
> focus on 'fluidity in thinking' as opposed to a 'dogmatic approach' to
> reality is an essential element here as well.
> I hope that I haven't dissapointed you thus far, Carol.
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "tmasthenes13"
> TomBuoyed@ wrote:
> > --- In email@example.com, "carol"
> > organicethics@ wrote:
> > >
> > > ...Through loving and caring for my growing child, I increasingly
> > > initiated by the Beings of the Hierarchies attached to the Arab
> > > Since it was I to be the caretaker and who would pave the karmic
> path of
> > > my arab child, these Beings of the Hierarchies revealed themselves
> to me
> > > so that I could understand the subtle intricacies of what would be
> > > required. In addition to this, I was brought to identify more
> > > on a very sensitive level, with souls of the black race. Both these
> > > races originate from the African continent and complement each other
> > > a certain subtle way.
> > =============================================
> > Hi Carol.
> > Thank you for opening your biography here with your discussion of
> > family and all the racial interconnections. I was most struck by your
> > references to the Arab race or what in anthroposophy we call the "Arab
> > Stream."
> > I wonder if you can elaborate more on the Arabs and Islam and its
> > connection to anthroposophy because I have always been troubled by
> > Rudolf Steiner's venomous and near hysterical hatred of and contempt
> > for the Arabs.
> > You know when I hear the term Anti-Semitism associated with Rudolf
> > Steiner, I do not think of Jews at all. I think of the Arabs.
> > Perhaps that is because I myself karmically feel most sympathy with
> > that Arabic Stream (and notice how I could equally spell it Arab
> > Extreme).
> > I recall many discussions I had with Rene Querido as to whether I was
> > a Platonist or Aristotelian. I told him time and again that I felt no
> > real connection to either stream. Then Dennis Klocek suggested to me:
> > "Well, maybe you're a Pythagorean."
> > I tried that for a while and that seemed to work, but I kept coming
> > back again and again to the Arab stream, especially when I read all 8
> > volumes of the Karmic Relationships cycle.
> > Time and time again, I kept asking myself: "What the hell does Steiner
> > have against the Arabs? Why is every villain in his life a
> > reincarnated Arab?"
> > Just look at a sampling of his short shit list from the KR cycles
> > alone. Everyone nasty was an Ay-rab before!
> > President Woodrow Wilson -- past life as Arab
> > Charles Darwin -- past life as Arab
> > Francis Bacon -- past life as Haroun al Rashid
> > Amos Comenius -- past life as counselor to above Haroun al Rashid
> > The only rationale I could come up with was that Steiner was
> > terminally pissed off at the Arabs for distorting his writings as
> > Aristotle. You know, you would think the petulant Piscean pissant
> > would have instead been deeply grateful to the Arabs for preserving
> > Aristotle's works.
> > Anyway, I would very much like to hear your thoughts on the subject.
> > Tom