Very informative post, Ottmar, thank you. That clearly spells out
the difference between religion and the spiritual or mystical path.
So interesting to read that the church would believe there will be
no new revelations, and that new revelations are not necessary.
Which certainly explains the church's need to control. Individual
spiritual freedom and revelation is dangerous in that it would
undermine not only the church's authority, but its very relevancy.
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> Rudolf Steiner on the Catholic Church
> When you study Rudolf Steiner's ideas and attitude towards the
> Catholic Church, you'll find that he distinguishes between 3
> of `the church':
> 1 the organization, its politics, ..
> 2 the dogma
> 3 the live of individuals (priests as well as laymen)
> On 1: the strive or greed for power, the intrigues, the more or
> successful attempts to direct world affairs, the attempt to
> ideas or proponents of ideas within the organization which or who
> considered deviant or heretic, personal politics etc. all this
> judged negatively.
> On 2: the dogma is cristallized, completely mummified knowledge of
> old, even pre-christian times times, (the mass, trinity etc.) The
> church says, there will be no new revelations, no new revelations
> necessary. New doctrines are only an explanation of the once and
> all terminated?finished?finalized? revelation. Newer developments,
> like the infallibility dogma of 1870 (and the bodily ascension of
> Mary 1950) fall in category 1! (Steiner stressed in the
> Klassenstunde, that this/his esoteric relevations/findings can and
> should be widened/continued in every direction.) The moment, there
> no new influx of spiritual knowledge, a
> doctrine/Weltanschauung/theology/teaching slowly begins to
> On 3: Steiner describes that he once observed a priest where at
> moment of consecration of the oblate a shining light surrounded
> that with some priests you can observe the presence of Christ. And
> course, individual members, laymen of the catholic church can
> pure virtues and soul elements.
> This threestep/threefold way of studying/looking at a
> group/society/church/movement/party.. can, of course, also be
> to other bodies.
> With some good will you'll understand what I meant, in spite of my
> sometimes unsure use of terminology.
> Greetings from Old Europe
> Ottmar (male)