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  • Frank Smith
    Probably a neocon conspiracy against poor Hugo. Frank They call it Plan B. As Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez further tightens control of the South American
    Message 1 of 3 , Mar 4, 2007
      Probably a neocon conspiracy against poor Hugo.
      Frank

      They call it "Plan B."

      As Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez further tightens
      control of the South American country's economy,
      wealthy Venezuelans who once thought they could live
      with his socialist edicts are turning to their backup
      plan — flight to the United States, particularly
      Florida.

      Venezuelans have long gobbled up condos and
      pre-construction deals in Florida as investments, but
      the latest buyers want homes where they can live and
      business properties that will help them earn a green
      card.

      "First the people who come are the businessmen in the
      highest circles, then the losing politicians, then the
      military and then the professionals," said Miami-based
      immigration attorney Oscar Levin. "You're beginning to
      see the (Venezuelan) professionals."

      This latest and largest potential group of emigrants
      say they fear the effect Chavez's socialist policies
      will have on the economy and on proposed educational
      reforms that could mirror the ideologically imbued
      education of Chavez ally and mentor, Cuba's Fidel
      Castro.

      "There is so much insecurity, political insecurity,
      economic insecurity," said Venezuelan Miguel Medina, a
      business executive who moved to the Miami in August.
      "You don't know if a contract you signed today will be
      honored by the government in the future....This was
      definitely my plan B, but it was time to do the plan
      B."

      Between 2000 — a year after Chavez took office — and
      2005, the number of Venezuelans living in the U.S.
      doubled to about 160,000, according to the latest U.S.
      Census numbers. Nearly half live in Florida.

      But those numbers are deceptive.

      In 2005, 10,645 Venezuelans received their green cards
      allowing them to live in the United States, almost
      doubling the 6,222 who received them in 2004,
      according to the latest Department of Homeland
      Security statistics. And another 400,000 Venezuelans
      came to the United States in 2005 on business and
      tourism visas. It is unclear how many stayed.

      Colombia, with nearly twice Venezuela's roughly 27
      million residents, sent the same number that year.

      Anecdotal evidence suggests even more are seeking to
      come here since Chavez's recent nationalization of
      Venezuela's largest telecommunications company and the
      electricity sector. The Venezuelan Congress also
      recently gave him special powers to decree laws for 18
      months, and Chavez is threatening to expropriate
      supermarkets, stores and other businesses caught
      hoarding food or speculating on prices.

      Medina said six family members visited him in the last
      two months seeking ways to relocate to the U.S. Unlike
      previous cycles, those seeking to leave and bring
      their money to the U.S. now are coming from around
      Venezuela, not just from Caracas, said Medina, an
      account executive for the credit group ExpoCredit.

      Meanwhile Ralph Gomez, who heads the Miami area Tower
      Investments group and has long specialized in real
      estate for South American clients, said he's received
      more than two dozen calls since the year began from
      people interested in coming to the U.S. Other agents
      report a similar spike.

      Upper-class Venezuelans and their money flowed out of
      the country after Chavez was elected in 1998 and again
      when he quashed an unsuccessful coup against his
      government in 2002, but many professionals still hoped
      the climate would remain friendly to business. Then
      came the latest nationalizations. Chavez still pledges
      to maintain a business-friendly climate, and analysts
      say the government has paid fair market prices to
      nationalize the electric and phone companies.

      Yet, with 17 percent inflation pushing the Bolivar to
      more than 4,000 per dollar on the black market,
      compared to the official rate of 2,150 Bolivars per
      dollar, many Venezuelans are looking to move their
      businesses to the U.S. or to set up a new one here.

      Those who can afford it often opt for business visas
      that require a minimum of a $500,000 investment in a
      company that creates jobs in an underdeveloped area in
      the U.S.

      About 33,000 Venezuelans received some kind of work
      visa to come to the U.S. in 2005 — nearly a quarter of
      all such visas for South Americans — compared to about
      17,000 in 1999.

      Those who come are received with open arms in Miami,
      where their money is welcome and the Cuban exile
      community views Chavez as the next Fidel Castro. As of
      2004, Venezuelans tied with Germans and Canadians as
      the second biggest group of foreigners purchasing
      homes in Florida, according to the National
      Association of Realtors. Only the British bought more
      Florida homes.

      But moving to the U.S., even for the wealthy, isn't
      simple. Medina moved his family to the Miami three
      years ago, but it took him until last summer to tie up
      financial ends, obtain a visa and a job in Florida.

      "I would travel back and forth when I could," he said.
      "It was hard, but I know I am among the lucky ones."

      And while Venezuelan emigrants cite the political and
      economic instability of the country as their main
      reasons for leaving, many also talk of rampant and
      random violence.

      Marbelia Font, 47, and her husband landed in Miami in
      September from Caracas to close on a newly built
      investment property. They thought their two daughters
      would enjoy the brief vacation.

      But when two friends were fatally shot back home in
      Venezuela, Marbelia and her 13- and 8-year-old
      daughters stayed. Her husband returned to Venezuela,
      hoping to earn a visa by moving his manufacturing and
      construction business to the U.S. Font said he has
      struggled to obtain necessary legal documents from the
      Chavez government.

      She now lives in the half-furnished home they'd
      planned to rent in Doral, just west of Miami. It is
      decorated only with a picture of her husband and the
      girls. She and her daughters struggle with loneliness,
      and she is unable to work as she waits for the
      family's visas to come through.

      "It is so hard because the girls were very close to
      their father, and now they only see him once every
      three months," she said.

      Copyright © 2007 The Associated Press. All rights
      reserved. The information contained in the AP News
      report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or
      redistributed without the prior written authority of
      The Associated Press.


      Frank Thomas Smith
      http://SouthernCrossReview.org



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    • Tarjei Straume
      You seem to have missed my point on this issue completely, Frank. As you know, I m basically an anarchist preferring absence of governments and certainly
      Message 2 of 3 , Mar 4, 2007
        You seem to have missed my point on this issue completely, Frank.

        As you know, I'm basically an anarchist preferring absence of
        governments and certainly absence of supreme commanders. Iran has a
        supreme commander, but that does not give the goons in the White
        House and the Pentagon the right to bomb the country, to assassinate
        the leaders, and to repeat what they did in 1953, when they overthrew
        a democratic government there and installed a Quisling regime with the shah.

        By the same token, Rice has no business badmouthing and threatening
        Venezuela, where the government has broad popular support, which is
        why the US failed in their attempted coup in 2002. One may disagree
        ever so strongly with Chavez' domestic politics and sympathize with
        those who emigrate to Florida and chant with disgruntled Cubans. But
        Venezuela is no threat to the United States. It has never been a
        threat to the United States. As a sovereign nation, Venezuela has the
        right to choose its business partners and also to choose who not to
        do business with. If AT&T and Exxon and Coca-Cola and MacDonalds are
        not welcome, so be it. Why not just do business elsewhere?

        In other words, I would have preferred to see an anarchist Venezuela,
        an anarchist Scandinavia, and an anarchist North America with no
        leaders whatsoever. You know that very well from our previous
        discussions, Frank. My point is that the US represents the greatest
        threat to world peace, and it sees fit to intervene and change the
        regimes of any country they choose. Who's next? Switzerland? Norway?

        So what's this "Tarjei's boy" got to do with anything? Why not
        "Tarjei's boy Stoltenberg," Norway's prime minister? I don't agree
        with his politics, but that gives the US no right to assassinate him,
        to arrange a coup, or to bomb us in order to take him out. And the
        Venezuelans have the same right to be left in peace that we have, and
        the right to be left alone by Rice's big bad mouth that seems aimed
        at setting the stage for public acceptance of an invasion so they can
        crush a nation once more to create revenues for their own oil
        companies. Norway is also an oil nation, and the country's oil
        revenues are nationalized, the state owns the majority shares of
        Hydro-Statoil (the new merger of the two leading oil companies). And
        I bet that when the US is through raping Iraq, Iran, and Venezuela
        and emptied their oil wells, they're coming for Norway, leaving us
        poor, broke, sick, uneducated, starving and desperate.

        Tarjei
      • Frank Smith
        ... Actually I confused you with someone else (not on this list) who thinks Chavez is progressive - probably because you recently mentioned a disagreement
        Message 3 of 3 , Mar 4, 2007
          --- Tarjei Straume <straume@...> wrote:

          > You seem to have missed my point on this issue
          > completely, Frank.

          Actually I confused you with someone else (not on this
          list) who thinks Chavez is "progressive" - probably
          because you recently mentioned a disagreement with me
          about him. So sorry.
          As far as the Bush administration's relations with
          him, they are as stupid or more so than their
          relations with everyone else. Luckily for him, though,
          Bushy has other things on his mind at the moment - and
          he has a lot of oil and the U.S. is his best customer.
          Chavez has broad popular support among the poor, yes,
          because they have been downtrodden since forever and
          he's a populist with dictatorship ambitions a la
          Peron.

          Frank
          >
          > As you know, I'm basically an anarchist preferring
          > absence of
          > governments and certainly absence of supreme
          > commanders. Iran has a
          > supreme commander, but that does not give the goons
          > in the White
          > House and the Pentagon the right to bomb the
          > country, to assassinate
          > the leaders, and to repeat what they did in 1953,
          > when they overthrew
          > a democratic government there and installed a
          > Quisling regime with the shah.
          >
          > By the same token, Rice has no business badmouthing
          > and threatening
          > Venezuela, where the government has broad popular
          > support, which is
          > why the US failed in their attempted coup in 2002.
          > One may disagree
          > ever so strongly with Chavez' domestic politics and
          > sympathize with
          > those who emigrate to Florida and chant with
          > disgruntled Cubans. But
          > Venezuela is no threat to the United States. It has
          > never been a
          > threat to the United States. As a sovereign nation,
          > Venezuela has the
          > right to choose its business partners and also to
          > choose who not to
          > do business with. If AT&T and Exxon and Coca-Cola
          > and MacDonalds are
          > not welcome, so be it. Why not just do business
          > elsewhere?
          >
          > In other words, I would have preferred to see an
          > anarchist Venezuela,
          > an anarchist Scandinavia, and an anarchist North
          > America with no
          > leaders whatsoever. You know that very well from our
          > previous
          > discussions, Frank. My point is that the US
          > represents the greatest
          > threat to world peace, and it sees fit to intervene
          > and change the
          > regimes of any country they choose. Who's next?
          > Switzerland? Norway?
          >
          > So what's this "Tarjei's boy" got to do with
          > anything? Why not
          > "Tarjei's boy Stoltenberg," Norway's prime minister?
          > I don't agree
          > with his politics, but that gives the US no right to
          > assassinate him,
          > to arrange a coup, or to bomb us in order to take
          > him out. And the
          > Venezuelans have the same right to be left in peace
          > that we have, and
          > the right to be left alone by Rice's big bad mouth
          > that seems aimed
          > at setting the stage for public acceptance of an
          > invasion so they can
          > crush a nation once more to create revenues for
          > their own oil
          > companies. Norway is also an oil nation, and the
          > country's oil
          > revenues are nationalized, the state owns the
          > majority shares of
          > Hydro-Statoil (the new merger of the two leading oil
          > companies). And
          > I bet that when the US is through raping Iraq, Iran,
          > and Venezuela
          > and emptied their oil wells, they're coming for
          > Norway, leaving us
          > poor, broke, sick, uneducated, starving and
          > desperate.
          >
          > Tarjei
          >
          >


          Frank Thomas Smith
          http://SouthernCrossReview.org



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