Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Killing
- I don't agree Frank. I think yes he was a dictator and
a murderer and just like Mohamed before him this was
the land and the people he was born into. It is live
and die by the sword there. If it wasn't Saddam it
would've been someone else. With Saddam however I find
that he worked to find a way that all three could live
together in some relative peace. At least peace as
best it could be with those types of factions at work.
Yes he kept his thumb on the various factions but I
have since seen those various factions and I have to
say I can't see a way that they can be kept in line
without a hard core dictator. However Saddam as a
hardcore dicator worked to have it be a secular
society wherein they could all live in peace to the
best of their ability.
I remember some of the first pictures to come out when
Saddam had fallen a few years back. They were beating
themselves with spikes and knives and it was just
incredible to view. There were comments that their
religious freedoms were not recognized by Saddam
because he did not allow them to congregate in those
types of rituals on the streets. And I thought, 'wow,
look at that, look at what goes on there if it was
allowed to be'. And he kept them down. Would it had
been great if he had found another way to do so? Of
course it would've been. However I think it very naive
of us to think that it could've happened without a
strong hand such as Saddam's'. Again this is not
saying I think this manner is okay. However it is
saying that I can recognize that while he was alive
and in charge that countries people were able to live
in a manner closer to Western living then others in
I do believe they did have rights. It may not have
been the rights we have here but it was a well
educated people that was then decimated by the
sanctions. I can look at the U.S.'s hand in every
single war they have had in the last twenty years. And
it was a boon for the administrations such as this
current one to have such wars while they stood back
and others died. Now our own boys are dying. Something
they had not planned on.
I think if one looks at the history of Iraq with how
the people lived and worked in that country, aside
from the propaganda, one will see a very different
picture then the one shown on television these last 5
years. He was a dictator no doubt about it. But I
don't see him as a killer for killings sake, I see him
setting up a war on behalf of a secular society where
one can be devoted to Mohamed and still be able to
live without trying to die or kill others for him.
I think it was his task to set up what can be seen as
a way to move forward as far as the rights and
education of the regular every day people in the
mideast. I think he set a very powerful ideal in the
minds of what can happen if one can have a love for
God and yet live in the real world without forcing
others into a Mohamed jihad every two seconds. He
lived by the sword and he died by it and he left in my
mind a powerful ideal of how Muslims can live in the
world if they would put aside which brand of Islam is
more important than the other.
I have a muslim friend for Tunisia. He can not under
any circumstances ask his Imman questions about the
Koran. They are not allowed: one does not question
Mohamed's word and those that have interpreted it. It
is a cause for death. And they all know it. Secular
ways of thinking for Mohamed's people is a must to
step out of the killings in his name.
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Whoever is tortured from doubts, his forces are paralysed.
In a world, enigmatic to one self, one can find no aim for one's working.
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