Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Killing
- Hi Tarjie,
I don't see Saddam and his ruling of Iraq in the same
way you and many others do. I also do not see Islam
the way many of my friends anthroposophists and others
do. I can understand why the things are thought and
why they are said, however, I think there is another
part of the picture that seems not to be taken into
account very often. And this has to do partly with the
idea that ahderents of Islam were the last to come
under one God. I don't think that can be
underestimated or not taken into consideration.
I see that Muhammed was of a particular personality
that others were able to follow towards the One God.
And yes there was lots of blood shed just as there is
in the whole of Judaism and Christianity. Nothing
different there other than maybe the ways in which
they would carry out their wars. There zeal for God
led them to far and away places in the name of their
prophet just as the cruscades and early Christians did
the same to those they considered outside the norm of
what they understood.
Looking at Saddam I see him doing also something
incredible with the same group of people who had now
by this time and even greater devotion to Muhhammed
and were really split to the point where they were
constantly killing one another: he secularized his
country. Instead of fanatics roaming the streets where
women and children were not safe, Iraq was considered
more westernized then all of the surrounding
countries. Women had rights, political rights, working
rights, marriage rights. Across the board Iraq was
kept in control by a man who would not allow the
fundys to take over and force burkas on women and
their brand of religious fundamentalism.
I see alot of similarities in Saddam and Muhhamed in
what they achieved for their country men who were the
last outposts of that area. Neither of those men were
perfect and lived according to the customs they were
brought up in. But just as Abraham made a decisive
change for his people, so did Muhammed and also
Some of the things you said about him shaking when
seeing blood boiling and so forth seem not to meet the
man I have taken a mind to since about 15 years now. I
was stunned beyond belief when his two sons in laws
chose to come back to Iraq. I remember thinking 'oh
boy, you guys are really stupid'. And damn if he
didn't have them killed just about immediately after
returning. From my studies and I think from what one
has seen of him recently one might consider a picture
of a man of his time and of his place and his culture,
and quite different then the propaganda about his
loving boiling blood and whathaveyou.
There was one place in the middle east where women had
rights. And it was in Iraq. And now, now that Saddam
is gone we will see women, and we do see women who
will be at the hands of religious dictators that beat
themselves with chains and spikes and expect the women
to be in the house and hidden.
Saddam was not perfect but I think we can also see the
difference between his ruling of the people and the
ruling of the kings in the surrounding areas.
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Regards Gotthard in Melbourne AUSOn 1/18/07, dottie zold <dottie_z@...> wrote:--
I was just wondering which lineage is the one that has
the line of those called the Prostitute? Was that the
Solomon line or the Nathan line?
Selma Lagerlöf (1859-1940), 1909 Nobel Literature Laureate:"[Rudolf Steiner] taught a number of things in which I have long believed, among them that it is no longer possible in our time to offer a religion full of unsubstantiated miracles, but rather that religion must be a science which can be proven. It is no longer a question of belief, but of knowing. Further, we acquire knowledge of the spiritual world through steady, conscious, systematic thinking ... In years to come, his teachings will be proclaimed from the pulpits"
Rudolf Steiner: Only truth can bring us security in the development of our individual forces.
Whoever is tortured from doubts, his forces are paralysed.
In a world, enigmatic to one self, one can find no aim for one's working.
Motto of 'Philosophy of Spiritual Activity' 1894, Appendix II 1918