Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: occult lodges and islam
- Dear Group:The following was being distributed throughout other Anthroposophic e-groups. The material may be disturbing and quite controversial due to the recent developments in the last couple of years. It is compilation of various points that Steiner had given to the CC priests in September of 1924. The translation/edition is not exactly what I have in my edition at some points. I looked through my copy and found that the following is actually from two lectures and that these are points from Steiner's lectures that the individual had selected.The lecture cycle is titled, "The Book of Revelation and the Work of the Priest." (18 lectures). The two cited lectures are: 11 & 12 September,1924; Dornach, Switzerland.rick distasi****************************************************************************************************From one basic way of considering this matter, there are two
realms: the realm of NATURE â€“ which is the realm of the Father
(the source of the created world both spiritually and physically) â€“
and the realm of the SPIRIT.
The Mohammedan teachings do not know the structure of the
world I have just been speaking about. They know â€“ and can
ONLY know â€“ the Father.
They know only the rigid doctrine: "There is one God, Allah, and
none beside him, and Mohammed is his Prophet."
From this angle, the teachings of Mohammed are the strongest
polarity to Christianity.
Indeed, resident in a hidden manner within the Islamic
worldview is the will to do away with all freedom forever, the will
to bring about a purely deterministic spiritual and social order
that would dominate every aspect of human life, for nothing else
is possible if you imagine the world solely in the sense of a
Father God alone.
A foreboding of this gave the apocalypse-writer (John) the
feeling: The human being cannot be found, or find himself, in
this. The human being cannot become filled through and
through with Christ if he remains connected with the doctrine of
the Father (alone).
Restricted to this, the human being cannot take hold of his own
humanness. He fails to become fully human if he is only able to
conceive the Father God.
In the end, the human being only becomes human by making
Christ alive within himself and thereby gaining protection from
the material conviction that spiritual realities are illusionary and
vaporous epi-phenomena of purely material causes.
Entertainment of the doctrine of the Father (alone) inescapably
arrives at a conceptual materialism such as represented, for
example, by Darwinism, the view that the human being arises
from purely material causes.
And if we regard Christianity primarily as that which accords with
the Sun forces spiritually speaking, and such as is reflected /
mirrored / mediated / manifested by the nine ranks of angelic
Hierarchies, then we may identify that which OPPOSES these
spiritual/sun forces as "anti-sun" forces or asÂ "sun demon."
This "sun demon" works COUNTER to the Christian principle in
such a way that â€“ if a human being were to succumb to the lures
of the sun demon and his inspiration, then that same human
being would â€“ by his own free choice â€“ surrender all inward
connection to the divinity of Christ for an inward connection with
the sub-human spiritual realms.
The apocalyptist saw this. â€“ He felt and saw the mighty (future)
counter-principle of Arabism bursting in on Christianity.
It was clear to him that, from this Arabism, everything arises that
brings the human being close to the purely animal nature, first of
all in his views, but gradually also in his combined impulses of
will and action.
And what the apocalyptist saw BEHIND the future scenes of the
looming Mohammdan historical impulse was the sun demon at
work, working against the sun forces, against the spiritual
If asked, the apocalyptist would have called the representatives
of Arabism in Europe "human beings who have willingly
dedicated themselves to the sun demon in their souls' nature."
Dear friends, the number 666 represented both the NAME and
the TIME when Arabism would flow into Christianity in order to
impress the seal of materialism upon western culture.
The apocalyptist portrays everything that works as a
counter-principle to Christianity â€“ such as Arabism and its
deterministic conceptual constructs â€“ as direct outflow from the
counter-spirituality represented by the sun-demon Surat.
And, in the final analysis, everything flowing from Arabism was
directed ultimately against a spiritual Christian understanding of
transubstantiation. External facts certainly do not look as if this
were the case but â€“ by allotting validity only to the Father principle
â€“ to the natural world-order, the sun demon forces indeed
intended to sweep away from human view an immediate feeling
for that which is active in the very deepest way in a sacrament
such as transubstantiation.
(The great revolutions that came about in Europe as a result of
the Crusades belong under the sign of the SECOND occurrence
of the number 666â€¦.)
During the first 666, dear friends, Surat was still hidden but
actively at work within the external process of outward events; he
was not seen in clear outward manifestation.
Now before us [in 1924] lies the time of the third number 666:
At the end of this (the twentieth) century, the time will come when
Surat will ONCE AGAIN raise his head most strongly out of the
waves of history.
Only two-thirds of the 20th century will have still to run before
Surat/Sorat once again raises his head most mightily.
Before this (twentieth) century is out, he will show himself
through his appearance in many human beings as the one by
whom many are "possessed."
Human beings will appear of whom it will be impossible to
believe that they are really human beings.
These Surat-inspired human beings will be recognizable by their
external appearance; in a terrible way they will not only scoff at
everything, but will also oppose, and want to destroy, and to
push into the abyss anything that is spiritual.
Outwardly, they will have intense and strong dispositions, with
savage countenances, and with furious destructiveness in their
The intention to sweep-away anything spiritual will be
deep-seated in large numbers of earthly souls, just as the
apocalyptist has foreseen in the beast-like countenance, and the
beast-like strength, that will underlie the deeds of the adversary
over against the spiritual.
Even today, hidden rage against spiritual things is already
immense, yet it is still in its very early infancy in contrast to what
is to come....----- Original Message -----From: Tarjei StraumeSent: Friday, November 07, 2003 11:36 PMSubject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: occult lodges and islamAt 01:33 07.11.2003, Christine Natale wrote:
>I hear over and over again so many platitudes about Islam being a
>beautiful religion. Well, after 911 I decided to see for myself and
>downloaded most of the Koran and started to read it. I haven't read it
>through and I can't say 100% that it is what I think it is, but my
>impression so far is that it is a mish-mash of old testament stories
>combined with the kind of hell and brimstone stuff that would make a
>Southern Baptist pale in comparison. There is no forgiveness, no
>flexibility. Everything is totally black and white, us and them, heaven
>and hell. No possiblility of interpretation or redemption.
I end up with a feeling of ambivalence when I'm trying to decipher
Steiner's take on the Arabs. On the one hand, he says in a lecture
somewhere that we Westerners usually have no idea of the special
relationship an Arab has to the Christ. On the other hand, he also talks
about the Arabic-Islamic world as the one and only corner of the earth
where the culture has not been touched by the Christ Impulse, where they've
managed to dodge the Golgotha Mystery altogether. I still haven't figured
>And even if that were not enough, one must have a critical eye toward any
>religion in its practice as well as its theory. There is nothing of love
>or understanding or forgiveness in any of its practices, either. There is
>only power and oppression, and I mean particularly to its own people,
On the other hand, the distinction needs to be made between a religion like
that and its individual followers. When spiritual, social, and cultural
impulses and practices that may have been right for an earler age or epoch,
is preserved and continued beyond its rightful time, such streams become
hijacked by ahrimanic and even asuric beings and end up serving the
hindering gods. For this reason, all Old Age religions based upon faith in
old scriptures, supporting a mode of cognition that should have ended
completely around 1950, are becoming increasingly evil, and we're only
seeing the faint beginnings of this.
But remember the Good Samaritan, who today would translate into the Good
Muslim. Dottie seems to be talking about the spirituality of beautiful
souls who happen to be Muslims.
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- Hi Tarjei,
In reading this book by Karen Armstrong I am getting a
better 'feel' for Muhammed and what he endeavored to
bring to his people.
One of the things that strikes me is that its path was
similar to that of Judiasm: in order to get to one God
they had to take down the 'daughters of God'. That was
the missing piece for Muhammed on the way to
monotheism as it was for the Jews.
Interestingly as well is that what he was working on
was a change of consciousness from family blood ties
to spirit ties that outgrow the familial bounds
similar to Jesus' concepts in a way.
I find that Muhammed was very much inspired by the
story of Mary and Jesus. There is a reference to them
early on that actually insinuates to the exoteric way
of reading her being a virgin. However when reading it
from an esoteric level the 'veil' being lifted is
Well, what I am coming to is that Muhammed seems to
have brought a religion that centered on surrendering
(islam) ones total self to God. And the way to show
that was through letting go of worldly goods and
giving to the poor and taking care of them. But what
strikes me is this absolute 'feel' I have about the
self (nafas) getting its house in order. So, in a way
although it is one religion it seems to be made up of
singular people on a quest for God. Although they call
themselves Muslims as one their quest is really each
one by themselves. It kind of reminds me a wee bit of
Self Realization Fellowship by Paramahansa Yogananda.
It has that sense of righting oneself before God.
Almost like he took the Christ revelation and and then
became one of the men that achieved a self
revelation. Almost reminds me of the snake.
At one point the book speaks of 'exciting' the hatred
of the Jews. It is pretty apparant that they were
considered 'trash' among the peoples in that region.
And it seems they truly never recovered even unto this
day their own sense of worth. Almost as if they are
always in the place of having to defend their honor.
And not really only their own but that of their
Prophet as well. They know he is not what the Western
world says and they are always fighting some uphill
battle in their minds.
One last thing before I go. I find it extremely
interesting that the Satanic Versus as related by
Rushdie actually speak to two lines where Muhammed
gave credence to the 'daughters of God'. He then tried
to and actually did take the versus back and claimed
that they were slaves just as the everyday people
were, and that one could not look to them for guidance
Well, maybe this is the last piece before I go:) They
have the most remarkable references to Satan that I
have ever seen. To them their was no original sin.
Muhammed believed that this was all a part of Gods
plan. That in the end Satan will be the last to be
saved but he will be. Also he states that it is Satan
who loved God the most. I think of Lucifer here.
Anyway, the more I read of this Muhammed the more I
come to understand how he was able to achieve what he
did in such a short time. He truly had his face on God
and inspired others to do the same.
Tarjei you wrote:
> This point of yours was actually corroborated byTarjei
> Rudolf Steiner when he
> said that Arabic materialism was blunted by the
> emergence of Islam. So RS
> implies that this religion was a progressive force
> when it was introduced
> in the 7th century. Apparently, the destructive
> forces inherent in
> "Arabism" and connected with 666, Sorath and so on,
> has hijacked this
> religious stream because it has outlived its alotted
> era long ago.
> Specific manifestations of egoism. When a young manDottie
> kills men, women, and
> children at random by blowing himself to pieces with
> them in the firm
> belief that he will be rewarded with 70 virgins in
> Paradise for such a
> deed, we're not only talking about merciless egoism,
> but a specific variety
> of it, probably exclusively found among Muslims.
Yeah, this thing with the virgins bothers me a bit. I
think it is ridiculing them and this is not what
Muhammed had in mind physically. When I sink into the
Koran I will see what that means. In the mean time I
am going to speak to my friend about this.
I am not so sure it is found exclusively among Muslims
but I do not know how to make the argument. What comes
to mind are the 'fundies' of the world. We have people
here in the states killing doctors who perform
abortions in recent years. And I believe it will only
get worse as the right gets more power in regards to
other segments of society as well. We are about to
face the 'gay rights to marriage issue' and this is a
powder keg waiting to go. And they believe they are
doing what God would want them to do. Its pretty
And I wonder what is the difference regarding the ego
of having 70 virgins versus doing an evil thing for
p.s. I know I am not the best one to converse on this
subject however I would like to say it has inspired me
to become more knowledgable regarding a group of
people who are going to light the world on fire.
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