Re: Individual Cosmification; Youth, Perception, Genius and Eurythmy
- Hey, Brad,
We both posted a Eurythmy topic today... I guess great minds think alike.
It sounds like you have developed a great argument here for why
Eurythmy should be excluded from Waldorf charter schools - as it is
clearly not an art form of dance as Waldorf teachers have been
claiming for decades, but rather a religious ceremony intended to
develop the life forces in children without their (or their parent's)
consent or knowledge. Good work!
--- In email@example.com, "holderlin66"
> Schwaller de Lubicz-Hieroglyphics-Eurythmy.
> "This "simultaneity of opposite states" plays a great part in
> Schwaller's understanding of Egyptian hieroglyphics. It
> characterizes what he calls symbolique, a way of holding together
> the object of sense perception and the content of inner knowing, in
> a kind of creative polarity. When the Egyptians saw the hieroglyph
> of a bird, he argued, they knew it was a sign for the actual,
> individual creature, but they also knew it was a symbol of
> the "cosmic function" that the creature exemplified--flight--as well
> as all the myriad characteristics associated with it. Hieroglyphics
> did not merely designate; they evoked. As he wrote in Symbol and the
> Symbolic (40), "the observation of a simultaneity of mutually
> contradictory states . . . demonstrates the existence of two forms
> of intelligence"--
> Bradford comments;
> There are so many different trails of deep spiritual and cognitive
> understanding that Spiritual Science offers, so many departments and
> specialized studies and one of them is Eurythmy and lets say, The
> Word or the would have been Munich version of the Johannes Bau,
> based on the TWO JOHNS...Johannes Bau...and most of the dim bulbed
> are so awe struck by the dimension of things to sift through in
> Spiritual Science and Grail studies that Eurythmy just remains
> something they will deal with later.
> The simple problem of langauge and pictographic language that
> evolved into the little black and white gremlins running in chaos
> over the page, was that each letter held pictographic and visionary
> connections to deep seated astral forces that moved in both nature
> and the human I. But let me get to the point, even though the
> astonishing issues of change of voice and reproduction that comes
> about at the dawning of zits and the unfolding astral body, reveals
> an astonishing mystery, SEX...but how the forces of the word work
> remains silly in most minds.
> Specifically when understanding the Picto-hieroglyphics that
> Schwaller de lubicz was hinting at, and Steiner had every reason to
> unfold clearly, we see the difference between a Grail Initiate and a
> highly qualifed thinker like de Lubicz. And they stand head and
> shoulders above the arrogant little twits who think they can form
> opinions like rabbits make turds. Bless their little hearts, but
> aren't they energetic in their denials of what they actually are
> digesting. Lets look for just an instant on the utter idiocy of
> Language arises for the child and should be guided through a merging
> of etheric body unfolding and picto-hieroglyphic, drawing and
> shaping before the quick to arrive later phase when puberty and zits
> and thinking kick in, the Word forces in the child have moved along
> with the enrichment of the etheric body of the child and language
> that survives its debasement, when it hits the Pink Floyd 'Wall' of
> So what I am building here was how the Sentient Soul nature of Egypt
> and Steiner was in that advanced Word Initiate category, while very
> intelligent Schwaller is pieceing together the ruins, in a brilliant
> and intuitive manner, we, the spectators, using a Frank's baseball
> analogy, can see the ruins but we can also follow the Sentient picto
> forces that opened for the Egyptians windows into the atavistic
> picto world of the hovering Beings who hovered over the Egypto
> culture and opened vast Star wisdom and the pictoglyphs opened
> windows to the astral star and animal forces that existed both in
> nature and stood behind Initiates. Today we have two very dead
> One idea is that a Bullish Man or a Catty Woman or this person has a
> terrible sting or that person always wants to butt heads...but even
> behind these issues that are so common in our language today stands
> the star qualities and the Egyptian hieroglyphics opened. Those
> ancient Astral star gates for the Initiates who understood how to
> read and follow the pictures developed a divine and educated
> Priestly class.
> Reading was then and reading now is common and every child must
> approach the lost pictures of language. They restore and EDU-cate
> and good teachers, not your public schools, hopelessly lost in the
> system, but good Waldorf Teachers must rebuild the picture forces so
> that the picto-graphic etheric body can restore and bring spirit
> back up to the Word like plants bring their plant blood and juices
> up through their sweet and precious etheric system.
> And instead of a beautiful blossom and Kiss of the spirit that
> arrives in the plant, the human being experiences puberty and
> horrific desolation and trials of soul that verge on rites of
> passage into how to be a Mall Queen and a GQ selfish materialist,
> dunked in drunk shows education, the same education that GWB got to
> enhance the double. The teenager doesn't exactly reflect the kiss of
> the star blossom of the astral world now does she? Instead pregnancy
> and sexuality are tangled in the web of slang and language, fads and
> fashions and the child, as we already know, is hopelessly sucked
> into education that parents craved their children to have. The
> learning curve and mild development of nursing our safe
> little 'doubles' into the superhighway of deflated I AMism. A
> college life of meaningless pursuit of cubicle shrunken human values
> these days and kids can't find the inner links between astral and
> etheric roots of their being. Duh, wake up dopeette! Ideals and
> great thinking is scorned, save if you make your way to Hollywood
> and the film world under the idea of being a visionary.
> But back to the development, the advanced development where Eurythmy
> plays such an important role. Eurythmy plays such an important role
> in Anthroposophy and certainly it does because we can mark a line
> where from the magical forces of nature that were once linked
> directly to music and sound, shaped nature forces in ancient
> Atlantis, and further when the Egyptian Priests learned the secret
> language of the Gods and saw Star impressions of character in the
> human beings around them, a 12 fold family of star and astral
> forces...that linked to Hawks, Dogs, Gators, Croks, Storks, Hathor
> the bull etc...etc...these astral impressions and star impressions
> were directly linked and impressed into the hieroglyphics that the
> priests of Egypt used to enter the higher region where the Nation
> Building Beings, we call Archangel and Archai forces, Spirits of
> Personality etc...could be contacted. All felt the awe of language
> in the same way a child feels the awesome beginnings of learning to
> learn letters that will and does open vast worlds to it.
> But there was the Sentient Soul and in that sentient soul of Egypt
> we have 'The Youth of Nain' Mani and Parsifal and we have Kepler who
> had a strong incarnation with Egyptian Star wisdom and we have Henry
> Ford and his xerox copy of Goethe's "The Sorcerers Apprentice" a
> replication model that is reproduced from deadly military plagues to
> vaccines, to cloned sentient beings. Replication of code and the
> never ending of the same market place inundation of mechanized
> occultism in form of goods. But crowning all this Egyptian
> background was the fact that Steiner was deeply, deeply rooted in
> the highest ethics of the astral and sentient beginnings of
> Language, the Word and Star vision, also out of ancient Egypt. If I
> walk away from Egypt and come up through Aristotle's ten categories
> we find a metamorphosis of the language and thinking codes that the
> priests used, stepped down and contracted to a focus on Earth
> If I follow this Initiate through the Grail, we observe that at a
> critical moment Parsifal would have been killed but instead
> Schinatulander takes the fatal blow and dies instead of Parsifal.
> Now can you imagine the fairness of the gods, saying that they will
> use this event so that humanity can open up the School of Grail
> Sciences and that Steiner himself will take credit for serving the
> Grail and helping the Youth of Nain, borrowed etheric body of Julian
> the Apostate to blaze the trail to Kaspar Hauser who will be in
> position to annoint and empower Europe bring about the true Age of
> Light and the Science of the Etheric Christ Being. If you have
> followed this research you would be able to see nearly exactly the
> horrific detour and failed history that arose that was due in the
> same way as Assassinating MlK Jr. JFK, Robert Kennedy, and against
> this dynasty, the Bush dynasty has superimposed itself based on the
> graves of those muredered. But we fail to apply this horrific and
> tragic turn of events to Europe.
> The rich tale of Sigune and Schinatulander wass following the trail
> of this particular highly placed Egyptian Priest, Steiner, along
> with Parsifal, along with all that went into the catastrophic
> assassinations that prevented Europe from becoming fully conscious
> of the Grail Sciences, which, thanks to Steiner we can follow more
> clearly than if he never spoke had at all. But what good does it to
> the lame and catty thinkers who struggle to get one little handle on
> holding in their eyesight, the etheric forces and how they operate?
> Now we round the corner here to the Etheric forces of language. The
> astral forces of language that Schwaller was looking at in Egypt,
> were well grasped by the Priestly class. But when we arrive at
> Eurythmy we are now deeply, deeply immersed in the Zodiac and Star
> forces that were carried directly over from all the Egyptian forces
> of hieroglyphics that Schwaller is close to understanding, but
> doesn't yet. You see, Wagner condensed and carried over clear cut
> issues from his astral body and the etheric lodge and nation
> building forces that Merlin had worked through with his earthly
> intelligence, Celtic atavistic clairvoyance and precise nature
> science that had much to do with the blood of kings at that time,
> Wagner saw in his higher being. He saw and felt these gifts right
> there. We say that some souls have been given the etheric body of
> Jesus and others the astral body of Jesus and if we say that, we
> have to look at what Wagner discovered in his astral treasure box. A
> post card from a previous life and a Lodge gift to spur him on to
> contribute and help build the bridges to a Grail Science School.
> These are gifts that people are slowly encounters that exist side by
> side with their earthly nature. Wagner's earthly nature and his
> previous gifts as Merlin...and STeiner and the Astral body of
> Zarathusta/Jesus...made the difference between the amazing research
> Steiner presented on the Christ Being and Wagner.
> Because the difference was the highest quality of ethical and
> Initiation forces that didn't come out distorted in the Man. Wagner
> ended up being pulled into a distortion that Ahriman did not want us
> to know about and I am telling you about it because of Spiritual
> Science. Ahriman did not want you to know that a Grail School was
> coming that different etheric types existed and that Nation building
> in the past and Michael culture building in the future was going to
> be very different. And it is only here that we can discover what are
> the differences in our higher forces, between the gifts in the
> astral body of Wagner and Wagners human flaws and the difference
> between the Astral body of Zarathustra/Jesus and Steiner's Grail
> School flaws. It would be interesting homework to watch the mice on
> this list find the difference.
> So Steiner, if you dared, and so few have any inkling to dare or are
> exposed to Eurythmy except in superfical terms, if you study
> Eurythmy or if you understood what Merlin brought over in clear
> condensed pictures that appeared in Richard Wagner you could
> understand that the Steiner in the Egyptian period and hieroglyphics
> and the priestly purification of approaching reading as rebuilt
> astral body connections, purity of imaginations, star forces and
> connecting to the higher beings who rule over a Nation...brought
> with him, the new Etheric bridge, through Eurythmy, on how to merge
> the forces of Language and Star hieroglyphics from stagnant dead
> letters, dead poetry, into movement and etheric living links back to
> the etheric life forces...the Life Forces of the Budhi that is a
> stage after Spirit Selfhood and Manas. This Life Spirit or Budhi is
> latent in the kernel of Eurythmy studies and is linked to the human
> Etheric advancement of language and the rise of the Etheric Christ
> The stages were that in Egypt we opened the cult of reading and
> Priestly purification to an astral world. In our age, Steiner opened
> the star forces that he had carried with him from Egypt and brought
> it down into the etheric where once more life and living substance
> will return to the Word through the Etheric grasp of what it takes
> to school the language depth of Eurythmy.
> Steiner is standing with the Grail Sciences in restoring the very
> WORD with LIFE. Which would be one of the foundational missions of a
> Johannes BAU wouldn't it? A Johannes Bau that had been prepared by
> Kaspar Hauser/Wagner and Goethe and countless others to rise up as
> the hidden Temple right in the middle of Munich------Against the
> Spirits of Darkness that twisted everything to its opposite until
> the SS and the Nazis assailed Germany on Feb 27, 1933 in Weimar.
> Killed Kaspar in 1833 and placed before humanity the rewritten
> history of the non-existent Grail Sciences. But you and I know that
> these disrupted Grail forces exist. Therefore we are a danger if we
> can explain things clearly and we are healthy beings if we
> understand these things and unhealthy if we have missed these things.
> And you and I know that when language pictographs are awakened in
> the dawn of the child seeking his path on earth and integration of
> his etheric and thinking forces so they will connect and arise in
> puberty with some measure of hoped for survival of the individual
> impulses, that thinking, language, the Word has had to have planted
> richly and deeply in the child's etheric hopes. We have not even
> entered on a discussion of crawling, standing and speaking in the
> first three years and how this etheric line must move upwards
> through alphabet and reading to the astral kiss, which in Tom's
> vernacular would be today a horrible sloppy wet kiss oozing with
> morbid attractions to makeup, fashions and fallen cultural
> There are no, count them, no, nada, none, no other educational
> insights that can directly see into the the connection to the
> etheric and astral development that is the ongoing mission of
> education and our children's LIFE forces, and consciously understand
> them and deliver the methods to grow humanity properly. Nada.
> Nothing. Not one educational system can clearly denote the four
> members of the human being and declare how they arise and for what
> purpose is the Meaning of Life. And a Good Waldorf Teacher can! But
> it must face off with the unwashed liars who have drunk every Kool
> Aid batch culture has produced and deny gleefully the Spirit as
> Spiritual Science... Do you hear the ancient 869 denial of the
> Spirit everywhere you go, tralala!
> Not one! Not ONe! Your efforts, our efforts should be made to reveal
> who at least comes up with ideas that closely match the unfolding
> reality of the human being...but they are scattereed, they are
> interesting, they are out there, but none has stood from day one on
> the conscious clarity and ground of growing human beings into
> Spiritual Beings the way Spiritual Science has. And this is a
> Catastrophe, not a hope...It is only hopeful when fools begin to
> question what a human being is and culture supports the quest.
> Otherwise the zombies of idiocy rule the planet and the Grail
> Science schools that you are apart of are deeply, deeply wounded.
> What Ails thee? You should be so lucky to understand it, but
> explaining it to any group of human beings is like trying to melt an
> iceberg with a beach towel.
- There you go again... lier...
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Mike T"
>you), but I
> Case closed on you Pete; you may not have realised it (I forgive
> was responding to Diwhereever
> So now Case closed
> Mike T
> >From: "pete_karaiskos" <petekaraiskos@...>
> >Reply-To: email@example.com
> >To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> >Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Individual Cosmification; Youth,
> >Perception, Ge
> >Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 14:22:11 -0000
> >Mike, you said we wouldn't hear further from you on this subject.
> >This makes you a lier, um... lyre... um... lire... um... liar.
> >--- In email@example.com, "Mike T"
> ><leosun_75@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Still can't figure it? I'll help you out:
> > >
> > > - placing statements out of context
> >I didn't do that - YOU did.
> > > - ignoring what others repeatedly try to explain
> >I didn't do that - YOU did.
> > > (I love Pete - he says he tried to explain it 100 times; just a
> >couple me
> > > thinks ...
> >But still you didn't and still don't get it.
> > > however already how exaspperrated he was that he used this
> > > hyperbole - he does this all the time to others making them explain
> >it ad
> > > infinitum)
> >Nobody has explained anything to me to my satisfaction. Bullshit is
> >not an explanation - and there seems to be plenty of it here from you.
> > > - being stubborn and pretending ignorance when it suits.
> >I'll happily accept the label of stubborn. I'm not about to be moved
> >from my position by airy-fairy arguments. I don't know what you are
> >referring to by "pretending ignorance". When have I done that?
> > > - playing a game of sarcasm
> >I love sarcasm. So what?
> > > - intentional deciet
> >Never!!! The fact that I am fighting Waldorf for years over their
> >intentional deceit should make anyone question your statement above.
> >Intentional deceit is something I never do. (By the way, it's I
> >before E except after C).
> > > - ignorance par excellence
> >Not in the least. Having no interest in what you consider to be
> >"knowledge" is not ignorance - it's questioning the benefit of that
> > > - not having the intellect to understand
> >Yes, this coming from an obvious intellectual like you. I have enough
> >intellect to understand the difference between truth and some wild
> >goose chase. I was once where you are now - then I woke up.
> > > So it was time to show Pete how he is seen on this forum and
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> >I couldn't care less how you see me Mike. Your perverted little mind
> >is hardly capable of understanding me - let alone Steiner. You're a
> >freak show - and every time you post, everyone reading this board can
> >see for themselves why Steiner worship is not, and should never be,
> >what Anthroposophy is about.
> >Thanks for yet another opportunity to point out what an idiot you are.
> > Keep em coming.
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