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Re: Individual Cosmification; Youth, Perception, Genius and Eurythmy

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  • pete_karaiskos
    Hey, Brad, We both posted a Eurythmy topic today... I guess great minds think alike. It sounds like you have developed a great argument here for why Eurythmy
    Message 1 of 68 , Apr 2, 2006
      Hey, Brad,

      We both posted a Eurythmy topic today... I guess great minds think alike.

      It sounds like you have developed a great argument here for why
      Eurythmy should be excluded from Waldorf charter schools - as it is
      clearly not an art form of dance as Waldorf teachers have been
      claiming for decades, but rather a religious ceremony intended to
      develop the life forces in children without their (or their parent's)
      consent or knowledge. Good work!


      --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "holderlin66"
      <holderlin66@...> wrote:
      > Schwaller de Lubicz-Hieroglyphics-Eurythmy.
      > "This "simultaneity of opposite states" plays a great part in
      > Schwaller's understanding of Egyptian hieroglyphics. It
      > characterizes what he calls symbolique, a way of holding together
      > the object of sense perception and the content of inner knowing, in
      > a kind of creative polarity. When the Egyptians saw the hieroglyph
      > of a bird, he argued, they knew it was a sign for the actual,
      > individual creature, but they also knew it was a symbol of
      > the "cosmic function" that the creature exemplified--flight--as well
      > as all the myriad characteristics associated with it. Hieroglyphics
      > did not merely designate; they evoked. As he wrote in Symbol and the
      > Symbolic (40), "the observation of a simultaneity of mutually
      > contradictory states . . . demonstrates the existence of two forms
      > of intelligence"--
      > Bradford comments;
      > There are so many different trails of deep spiritual and cognitive
      > understanding that Spiritual Science offers, so many departments and
      > specialized studies and one of them is Eurythmy and lets say, The
      > Word or the would have been Munich version of the Johannes Bau,
      > based on the TWO JOHNS...Johannes Bau...and most of the dim bulbed
      > are so awe struck by the dimension of things to sift through in
      > Spiritual Science and Grail studies that Eurythmy just remains
      > something they will deal with later.
      > The simple problem of langauge and pictographic language that
      > evolved into the little black and white gremlins running in chaos
      > over the page, was that each letter held pictographic and visionary
      > connections to deep seated astral forces that moved in both nature
      > and the human I. But let me get to the point, even though the
      > astonishing issues of change of voice and reproduction that comes
      > about at the dawning of zits and the unfolding astral body, reveals
      > an astonishing mystery, SEX...but how the forces of the word work
      > remains silly in most minds.
      > Specifically when understanding the Picto-hieroglyphics that
      > Schwaller de lubicz was hinting at, and Steiner had every reason to
      > unfold clearly, we see the difference between a Grail Initiate and a
      > highly qualifed thinker like de Lubicz. And they stand head and
      > shoulders above the arrogant little twits who think they can form
      > opinions like rabbits make turds. Bless their little hearts, but
      > aren't they energetic in their denials of what they actually are
      > digesting. Lets look for just an instant on the utter idiocy of
      > Diana.
      > Language arises for the child and should be guided through a merging
      > of etheric body unfolding and picto-hieroglyphic, drawing and
      > shaping before the quick to arrive later phase when puberty and zits
      > and thinking kick in, the Word forces in the child have moved along
      > with the enrichment of the etheric body of the child and language
      > that survives its debasement, when it hits the Pink Floyd 'Wall' of
      > adolescents.
      > So what I am building here was how the Sentient Soul nature of Egypt
      > and Steiner was in that advanced Word Initiate category, while very
      > intelligent Schwaller is pieceing together the ruins, in a brilliant
      > and intuitive manner, we, the spectators, using a Frank's baseball
      > analogy, can see the ruins but we can also follow the Sentient picto
      > forces that opened for the Egyptians windows into the atavistic
      > picto world of the hovering Beings who hovered over the Egypto
      > culture and opened vast Star wisdom and the pictoglyphs opened
      > windows to the astral star and animal forces that existed both in
      > nature and stood behind Initiates. Today we have two very dead
      > ideas.
      > One idea is that a Bullish Man or a Catty Woman or this person has a
      > terrible sting or that person always wants to butt heads...but even
      > behind these issues that are so common in our language today stands
      > the star qualities and the Egyptian hieroglyphics opened. Those
      > ancient Astral star gates for the Initiates who understood how to
      > read and follow the pictures developed a divine and educated
      > Priestly class.
      > Reading was then and reading now is common and every child must
      > approach the lost pictures of language. They restore and EDU-cate
      > and good teachers, not your public schools, hopelessly lost in the
      > system, but good Waldorf Teachers must rebuild the picture forces so
      > that the picto-graphic etheric body can restore and bring spirit
      > back up to the Word like plants bring their plant blood and juices
      > up through their sweet and precious etheric system.
      > And instead of a beautiful blossom and Kiss of the spirit that
      > arrives in the plant, the human being experiences puberty and
      > horrific desolation and trials of soul that verge on rites of
      > passage into how to be a Mall Queen and a GQ selfish materialist,
      > dunked in drunk shows education, the same education that GWB got to
      > enhance the double. The teenager doesn't exactly reflect the kiss of
      > the star blossom of the astral world now does she? Instead pregnancy
      > and sexuality are tangled in the web of slang and language, fads and
      > fashions and the child, as we already know, is hopelessly sucked
      > into education that parents craved their children to have. The
      > learning curve and mild development of nursing our safe
      > little 'doubles' into the superhighway of deflated I AMism. A
      > college life of meaningless pursuit of cubicle shrunken human values
      > these days and kids can't find the inner links between astral and
      > etheric roots of their being. Duh, wake up dopeette! Ideals and
      > great thinking is scorned, save if you make your way to Hollywood
      > and the film world under the idea of being a visionary.
      > But back to the development, the advanced development where Eurythmy
      > plays such an important role. Eurythmy plays such an important role
      > in Anthroposophy and certainly it does because we can mark a line
      > where from the magical forces of nature that were once linked
      > directly to music and sound, shaped nature forces in ancient
      > Atlantis, and further when the Egyptian Priests learned the secret
      > language of the Gods and saw Star impressions of character in the
      > human beings around them, a 12 fold family of star and astral
      > forces...that linked to Hawks, Dogs, Gators, Croks, Storks, Hathor
      > the bull etc...etc...these astral impressions and star impressions
      > were directly linked and impressed into the hieroglyphics that the
      > priests of Egypt used to enter the higher region where the Nation
      > Building Beings, we call Archangel and Archai forces, Spirits of
      > Personality etc...could be contacted. All felt the awe of language
      > in the same way a child feels the awesome beginnings of learning to
      > learn letters that will and does open vast worlds to it.
      > But there was the Sentient Soul and in that sentient soul of Egypt
      > we have 'The Youth of Nain' Mani and Parsifal and we have Kepler who
      > had a strong incarnation with Egyptian Star wisdom and we have Henry
      > Ford and his xerox copy of Goethe's "The Sorcerers Apprentice" a
      > replication model that is reproduced from deadly military plagues to
      > vaccines, to cloned sentient beings. Replication of code and the
      > never ending of the same market place inundation of mechanized
      > occultism in form of goods. But crowning all this Egyptian
      > background was the fact that Steiner was deeply, deeply rooted in
      > the highest ethics of the astral and sentient beginnings of
      > Language, the Word and Star vision, also out of ancient Egypt. If I
      > walk away from Egypt and come up through Aristotle's ten categories
      > we find a metamorphosis of the language and thinking codes that the
      > priests used, stepped down and contracted to a focus on Earth
      > Sciences.
      > If I follow this Initiate through the Grail, we observe that at a
      > critical moment Parsifal would have been killed but instead
      > Schinatulander takes the fatal blow and dies instead of Parsifal.
      > Now can you imagine the fairness of the gods, saying that they will
      > use this event so that humanity can open up the School of Grail
      > Sciences and that Steiner himself will take credit for serving the
      > Grail and helping the Youth of Nain, borrowed etheric body of Julian
      > the Apostate to blaze the trail to Kaspar Hauser who will be in
      > position to annoint and empower Europe bring about the true Age of
      > Light and the Science of the Etheric Christ Being. If you have
      > followed this research you would be able to see nearly exactly the
      > horrific detour and failed history that arose that was due in the
      > same way as Assassinating MlK Jr. JFK, Robert Kennedy, and against
      > this dynasty, the Bush dynasty has superimposed itself based on the
      > graves of those muredered. But we fail to apply this horrific and
      > tragic turn of events to Europe.
      > The rich tale of Sigune and Schinatulander wass following the trail
      > of this particular highly placed Egyptian Priest, Steiner, along
      > with Parsifal, along with all that went into the catastrophic
      > assassinations that prevented Europe from becoming fully conscious
      > of the Grail Sciences, which, thanks to Steiner we can follow more
      > clearly than if he never spoke had at all. But what good does it to
      > the lame and catty thinkers who struggle to get one little handle on
      > holding in their eyesight, the etheric forces and how they operate?
      > Now we round the corner here to the Etheric forces of language. The
      > astral forces of language that Schwaller was looking at in Egypt,
      > were well grasped by the Priestly class. But when we arrive at
      > Eurythmy we are now deeply, deeply immersed in the Zodiac and Star
      > forces that were carried directly over from all the Egyptian forces
      > of hieroglyphics that Schwaller is close to understanding, but
      > doesn't yet. You see, Wagner condensed and carried over clear cut
      > issues from his astral body and the etheric lodge and nation
      > building forces that Merlin had worked through with his earthly
      > intelligence, Celtic atavistic clairvoyance and precise nature
      > science that had much to do with the blood of kings at that time,
      > Wagner saw in his higher being. He saw and felt these gifts right
      > there. We say that some souls have been given the etheric body of
      > Jesus and others the astral body of Jesus and if we say that, we
      > have to look at what Wagner discovered in his astral treasure box. A
      > post card from a previous life and a Lodge gift to spur him on to
      > contribute and help build the bridges to a Grail Science School.
      > These are gifts that people are slowly encounters that exist side by
      > side with their earthly nature. Wagner's earthly nature and his
      > previous gifts as Merlin...and STeiner and the Astral body of
      > Zarathusta/Jesus...made the difference between the amazing research
      > Steiner presented on the Christ Being and Wagner.
      > Because the difference was the highest quality of ethical and
      > Initiation forces that didn't come out distorted in the Man. Wagner
      > ended up being pulled into a distortion that Ahriman did not want us
      > to know about and I am telling you about it because of Spiritual
      > Science. Ahriman did not want you to know that a Grail School was
      > coming that different etheric types existed and that Nation building
      > in the past and Michael culture building in the future was going to
      > be very different. And it is only here that we can discover what are
      > the differences in our higher forces, between the gifts in the
      > astral body of Wagner and Wagners human flaws and the difference
      > between the Astral body of Zarathustra/Jesus and Steiner's Grail
      > School flaws. It would be interesting homework to watch the mice on
      > this list find the difference.
      > So Steiner, if you dared, and so few have any inkling to dare or are
      > exposed to Eurythmy except in superfical terms, if you study
      > Eurythmy or if you understood what Merlin brought over in clear
      > condensed pictures that appeared in Richard Wagner you could
      > understand that the Steiner in the Egyptian period and hieroglyphics
      > and the priestly purification of approaching reading as rebuilt
      > astral body connections, purity of imaginations, star forces and
      > connecting to the higher beings who rule over a Nation...brought
      > with him, the new Etheric bridge, through Eurythmy, on how to merge
      > the forces of Language and Star hieroglyphics from stagnant dead
      > letters, dead poetry, into movement and etheric living links back to
      > the etheric life forces...the Life Forces of the Budhi that is a
      > stage after Spirit Selfhood and Manas. This Life Spirit or Budhi is
      > latent in the kernel of Eurythmy studies and is linked to the human
      > Etheric advancement of language and the rise of the Etheric Christ
      > event.
      > The stages were that in Egypt we opened the cult of reading and
      > Priestly purification to an astral world. In our age, Steiner opened
      > the star forces that he had carried with him from Egypt and brought
      > it down into the etheric where once more life and living substance
      > will return to the Word through the Etheric grasp of what it takes
      > to school the language depth of Eurythmy.
      > Steiner is standing with the Grail Sciences in restoring the very
      > WORD with LIFE. Which would be one of the foundational missions of a
      > Johannes BAU wouldn't it? A Johannes Bau that had been prepared by
      > Kaspar Hauser/Wagner and Goethe and countless others to rise up as
      > the hidden Temple right in the middle of Munich------Against the
      > Spirits of Darkness that twisted everything to its opposite until
      > the SS and the Nazis assailed Germany on Feb 27, 1933 in Weimar.
      > Killed Kaspar in 1833 and placed before humanity the rewritten
      > history of the non-existent Grail Sciences. But you and I know that
      > these disrupted Grail forces exist. Therefore we are a danger if we
      > can explain things clearly and we are healthy beings if we
      > understand these things and unhealthy if we have missed these things.
      > And you and I know that when language pictographs are awakened in
      > the dawn of the child seeking his path on earth and integration of
      > his etheric and thinking forces so they will connect and arise in
      > puberty with some measure of hoped for survival of the individual
      > impulses, that thinking, language, the Word has had to have planted
      > richly and deeply in the child's etheric hopes. We have not even
      > entered on a discussion of crawling, standing and speaking in the
      > first three years and how this etheric line must move upwards
      > through alphabet and reading to the astral kiss, which in Tom's
      > vernacular would be today a horrible sloppy wet kiss oozing with
      > morbid attractions to makeup, fashions and fallen cultural
      > degeneracy.
      > There are no, count them, no, nada, none, no other educational
      > insights that can directly see into the the connection to the
      > etheric and astral development that is the ongoing mission of
      > education and our children's LIFE forces, and consciously understand
      > them and deliver the methods to grow humanity properly. Nada.
      > Nothing. Not one educational system can clearly denote the four
      > members of the human being and declare how they arise and for what
      > purpose is the Meaning of Life. And a Good Waldorf Teacher can! But
      > it must face off with the unwashed liars who have drunk every Kool
      > Aid batch culture has produced and deny gleefully the Spirit as
      > Spiritual Science... Do you hear the ancient 869 denial of the
      > Spirit everywhere you go, tralala!
      > Not one! Not ONe! Your efforts, our efforts should be made to reveal
      > who at least comes up with ideas that closely match the unfolding
      > reality of the human being...but they are scattereed, they are
      > interesting, they are out there, but none has stood from day one on
      > the conscious clarity and ground of growing human beings into
      > Spiritual Beings the way Spiritual Science has. And this is a
      > Catastrophe, not a hope...It is only hopeful when fools begin to
      > question what a human being is and culture supports the quest.
      > Otherwise the zombies of idiocy rule the planet and the Grail
      > Science schools that you are apart of are deeply, deeply wounded.
      > What Ails thee? You should be so lucky to understand it, but
      > explaining it to any group of human beings is like trying to melt an
      > iceberg with a beach towel.
    • pete_karaiskos
      There you go again... lier... Pete ... you), but I ... whereever ...
      Message 68 of 68 , Apr 6, 2006
        There you go again... lier...


        --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "Mike T"
        <leosun_75@...> wrote:
        > Case closed on you Pete; you may not have realised it (I forgive
        you), but I
        > was responding to Di
        > So now Case closed
        > Mike T
        > >From: "pete_karaiskos" <petekaraiskos@...>
        > >Reply-To: anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com
        > >To: anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com
        > >Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Individual Cosmification; Youth,
        > >Perception, Ge
        > >Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 14:22:11 -0000
        > >
        > >Mike, you said we wouldn't hear further from you on this subject.
        > >This makes you a lier, um... lyre... um... lire... um... liar.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >--- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "Mike T"
        > ><leosun_75@> wrote:
        > > >
        > > > Still can't figure it? I'll help you out:
        > > >
        > > > - placing statements out of context
        > >
        > >I didn't do that - YOU did.
        > >
        > > > - ignoring what others repeatedly try to explain
        > >
        > >I didn't do that - YOU did.
        > >
        > > > (I love Pete - he says he tried to explain it 100 times; just a
        > >couple me
        > > > thinks ...
        > >
        > >But still you didn't and still don't get it.
        > >
        > > > however already how exaspperrated he was that he used this
        > > > hyperbole - he does this all the time to others making them explain
        > >it ad
        > > > infinitum)
        > >
        > >Nobody has explained anything to me to my satisfaction. Bullshit is
        > >not an explanation - and there seems to be plenty of it here from you.
        > >
        > > > - being stubborn and pretending ignorance when it suits.
        > >
        > >I'll happily accept the label of stubborn. I'm not about to be moved
        > >from my position by airy-fairy arguments. I don't know what you are
        > >referring to by "pretending ignorance". When have I done that?
        > >
        > > > - playing a game of sarcasm
        > >
        > >I love sarcasm. So what?
        > >
        > > > - intentional deciet
        > >
        > >Never!!! The fact that I am fighting Waldorf for years over their
        > >intentional deceit should make anyone question your statement above.
        > >Intentional deceit is something I never do. (By the way, it's I
        > >before E except after C).
        > >
        > > > - ignorance par excellence
        > >
        > >Not in the least. Having no interest in what you consider to be
        > >"knowledge" is not ignorance - it's questioning the benefit of that
        > >"knowledge".
        > >
        > > > - not having the intellect to understand
        > >
        > >Yes, this coming from an obvious intellectual like you. I have enough
        > >intellect to understand the difference between truth and some wild
        > >goose chase. I was once where you are now - then I woke up.
        > >
        > > > So it was time to show Pete how he is seen on this forum and
        > > > decent people might be.
        > >
        > >I couldn't care less how you see me Mike. Your perverted little mind
        > >is hardly capable of understanding me - let alone Steiner. You're a
        > >freak show - and every time you post, everyone reading this board can
        > >see for themselves why Steiner worship is not, and should never be,
        > >what Anthroposophy is about.
        > >
        > >Thanks for yet another opportunity to point out what an idiot you are.
        > > Keep em coming.
        > >
        > >Pete
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
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