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  • kmlightseeker
    Hi Engemi, ... when I ... that, ... more ... book, ... speak to me ... book at ... three weeks ... capacity ... i won ... RS or ... long? I ... another ...
    Message 1 of 6 , Apr 1, 2006
      Hi Engemi,

      --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "engemi"
      <chameleon@...> wrote:
      > Hi Keith
      > I really love it that you sent these quotations. In the beginning,
      when I
      > first read KoHW, i was struck by a seemingly biblical sence. i hated
      > because it was in my Sturm und Drang yrs, when I refused to take any
      > preaching - from ánybody. But i was told by the guy who gave me the
      > and whom I attacked endlessly for "his - i felt wrongly so - belief" in
      > either Steiner and/or Anthroposophy, he will not be prepared to
      speak to me
      > on or listen to me speaking about Anthrop. unless I have read the
      book at
      > least once and did every excercise mentioned in it at least for
      three weeks
      > in continuation. I thought to hell, but then, i was young, in full
      > of my philosophical gemuet, and thought i could win him the same as
      i won
      > everyone else who argued (or tried to) with me, so i read away.
      > About six months later the man (a teacher, who incidently knew Steiner
      > personally) asked me when are we going to have another discussion on
      RS or
      > A. I said, let me finnish the book. Ah, he said, is it taking you so
      long? I
      > felt some shame, because to be honest I have at that time become so
      > intterested in it that i started making notes. I said, i have to be
      > thorough, I'm making notes, and what's more I discovered he is just
      > mixed-up weirdo disciple of Christ. How come asked my friend.
      Because, I
      > said. he took all of the Sermon on the mount and all of the Bhudda's
      > eightfold path and some of the Baghavad Gita and what not else and
      dishes it
      > up as a stew for soulgrowth, but he leaves out the human being, just
      > bout the pupil, and for one no critique of development. I don't
      think it is
      > right. Oh, said my friend, and laughed, refusing to comment further.
      > Ten months later, he asked me how far i was with KoHW. I had to be
      honest. I
      > said, I'm stuck. Where? he asked. With Enlightenment, I said (you
      will know
      > it is part of the stages of innitiation) Where RS speaks about the
      > need to enhance his moral strength. I quote: "throughout his training,
      > indeed, he must continually enhance his moral strength, his inner
      > and his powers of observation. To take one example only:during the
      > elementary exercises for enlightenment the pupil must take care to
      > that his compassion for the human and animal worlds and his response
      to the
      > beauty of nature are constantly increasing. Failing this care, the
      > would continually blunt his feelings and sensitivity; his heart
      would become
      > hardened and the senses blunted. And that would eventually lead to
      > results."
      > So my friend said: But how or why does it bother you? You are not a
      pupil? I
      > said, I know, but that when hé told me to do the exercises, I took
      it very
      > seriously and did so. And now I was scared, in case what RS said was
      true -
      > remember, I explained, I am still there where everything is 50/50
      true or
      > false.
      > So, he said, just do it then, and go through it. I said, no, I
      can't, I hate
      > too much. There's been too much pain in my life, my history, my
      family, my
      > country.
      > We sat quiet for a long time, each with his own thoughts. And
      because I knew
      > some of what he told me about his own rather wild life, as wild as
      my own, I
      > think we touched in thought on what was know about RS and others on
      > esoteric paths. Eventually he said skip all and go to the end; read the
      > Appendix. (It is the appendix to the 8th edition, 1918) Then go
      > read Life and Death and the Great guardian of the Threshold, and
      then read
      > the Conditions of Esoteric Training, and when you've done that, we
      can talk.
      > This book is no good after one read only. You can come to the
      > at a later stage.
      > Such I did. And my old-falling-into-pieces KoHW is marked with most
      of the
      > quotes you mentioned here. it was such a good reminder. Thank you.
      > Best
      > engemi

      Your welcome.

      Thank you for some of your experiences with the developmental Path. It
      seems like some things need time to unfold - not just a matter of
      mental grasping of information but experience and indeed feeling. It's
      a challenging proposition for sure.

      I like the KoHW and it's approach to the subject of initiation. I also
      feel it's very well written and organised as a book.

      Anyway, thanks for your comments.



      > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      > Christ-centred
      > > Interesting:
      > >
      > > " 15:12 "This is my commandment, that you love one another, even as I
      > > have loved you. 15:13 Greater love has no one than this, that someone
      > > lay down his life for his friends. 15:14 You are my friends, if you do
      > > whatever I command you. 15:15 No longer do I call you servants, for
      > > the servant doesn't know what his lord does. But I have called you
      > > friends, for everything that I heard from my Father, I have made known
      > > to you. 15:16 You didn't choose me, but I chose you, and appointed
      > > you, that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should
      > > remain; that whatever you will ask of the Father in my name, he may
      > > give it to you.
      > >
      > > 15:17 "I command these things to you, that you may love one another.
      > > 15:18 If the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it
      > > hated you. 15:19 If you were of the world, the world would love its
      > > own. But because you are not of the world, since I chose you out of
      > > the world, therefore the world hates you. 15:20 Remember the word that
      > > I said to you: 'A servant is not greater than his lord.'* If they
      > > persecuted me, they will also persecute you. If they kept my word,
      > > they will keep yours also. 15:21 But all these things will they do to
      > > you for my name's sake, because they don't know him who sent me. 15:22
      > > If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have had sin; but
      > > now they have no excuse for their sin. 15:23 He who hates me, hates my
      > > Father also. 15:24 If I hadn't done among them the works which no one
      > > else did, they wouldn't have had sin. But now have they seen and also
      > > hated both me and my Father. 15:25 But this happened so that the word
      > > may be fulfilled which was written in their law, 'They hated me
      > > without a cause.'*"
      > >
      > > [Source: The World English Bible (WEB), Book of John,
      > > http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext05/web4310h.htm%5d
      > >
      > >
      > > "23:25 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean
      > > the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of
      > > extortion and unrighteousness. 23:26 You blind Pharisee, first clean
      > > the inside of the cup and of the platter, that its outside may become
      > > clean also."
      > >
      > >
      > > "23:27 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are
      > > like whitened tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but inwardly
      > > are full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. 23:28 Even so
      > > you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full
      > > of hypocrisy and iniquity."
      > >
      > >
      > > "24:1 Jesus went out from the temple, and was going on his way. His
      > > disciples came to him to show him the buildings of the temple. 24:2
      > > But he answered them, "Don't you see all of these things? Most
      > > certainly I tell you, there will not be left here one stone on
      > > another, that will not be thrown down."
      > >
      > > 24:3 As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him
      > > privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? What is the
      > > sign of your coming, and of the end of the age?"
      > >
      > > 24:4 Jesus answered them, "Be careful that no one leads you astray.
      > > 24:5 For many will come in my name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and
      > > will lead many astray. 24:6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars.
      > > See that you aren't troubled, for all this must happen, but the end is
      > > not yet. 24:7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against
      > > kingdom; and there will be famines, plagues, and earthquakes in
      > > various places. 24:8 But all these things are the beginning of birth
      > > pains. 24:9 Then they will deliver you up to oppression, and will kill
      > > you. You will be hated by all of the nations for my name's sake. 24:10
      > > Then many will stumble, and will deliver up one another, and will hate
      > > one another. 24:11 Many false prophets will arise, and will lead many
      > > astray. 24:12 Because iniquity will be multiplied, the love of many
      > > will grow cold. 24:13 But he who endures to the end, the same will be
      > > saved. 24:14 This Good News of the Kingdom will be preached in the
      > > whole world for a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will
      > > come."
      > >
      > > [The World English Bible (WEB), Book of Matthew,
      > > http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext05/web4010h.htm%5d
      > >
      > >
      > > Regards,
      > >
      > > Keith
      > >
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